What's your opinion on the right thing to do if interested in saving the relationship with a good customer/coworker? Should he give him half the pot back next time he sees him?

@shawnlinville7907

16 күн бұрын

Yeah for sure.

@user-ut6tj2nv9f

16 күн бұрын

Definitely.. and thanks Bart for another interesting poker hand

@YoshiBugatti

16 күн бұрын

So this is basically like having a "paid actor" at the table? Collusion to get a game started? Not even trying to be a d*ck but what am I missing?

@ZenMadmanPoker

16 күн бұрын

Start with a sincere apology. Acknowledging the crappy things the caller did and explain what they learned from them. Offering money back feels transactional, but open-endedly asking what they can do to make it up to them might lead to that in a less awkward way.

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

He can try doing that, but if I'm the prop I'm gonna refuse. I'd let him keep it, never tip him again, and just start tipping the other dealers there less in general also. I'd come out ahead in the long run. Idk what the caller was thinking. I've seen dealers fold winning hands to regs that always tip them well cuz they don't wanna jeopardize their income. This was one of the dumbest poker stories I've ever heard

"you know Bart, I wasn't thinking that hard" Genius 😂

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

That hard? Lol. I think he meant to say "at all"

I remember being 23 years old. I was still a kid. This kid learned from his mistake and was humble enough to call it in and hopefully save someone else from making a similar mistake. He wasn't bragging about his behavior, he was upfront that his behavior wasn't right. It takes guts to call in a hand where you're the "villain," where your behavior was unprofessional. He's still a kid, he's still growing up. But manning up and taking responsibility for your mistakes and learning from them is part of this process. I'm glad that he called in this hand. P.S. it's worth discussing the ethics of having casino employees playing at a table with customers. Especially if the casino employees are playing extra tight.

@EternalSoul222

7 күн бұрын

I play at the same casino I deal at. But I give lots of action and not take it so seriously

people need to realize being well liked is +ev

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

Especially when u work for tips! I have a feeling this caller will be looking for work elsewhere very soon

This call reminds me of something Doyle Brunson wrote in Super System 2. He recounted playing with a bunch of sharks and a whale way back in the day. They played against each other often. The whale wasnt there for money, but rather to pass the time and socialise. Apparently he just splashed about and didnt have any fundamental understanding of the game. He didnt seem to care that he was bleeding. A few regs for some reason got a kick out of berating his skills and making feel bad. After a while, the whale stopped showing up. Guy obviously took his business elsewhere since the vibes weren't fun anymore. Doyle wrote that he found it disgusting for 2 reasons. 1. Ungentlemanly behaviour. 2. Killed the goose that lays golden eggs.

I'd never tip this guy again after this

7:09 “there’s equity in trying to spike an ace on the turn” Not if he has AJ…

@3betmonkey

16 күн бұрын

Especially hilarious with at 8:29 "I put him on AJ only"

@clkou

12 күн бұрын

Or JJ

I cringed during 1/2 this call. If you want to bluff people that are good for the game, that is fine. Dont shove the bluff down his throat by showing. Bart is 100% right....offer the guy back his portion of the pot and apologize.

@Jermo484

16 күн бұрын

Even ignoring all of that, why try? You're in for $20 and you know you're behind. Just wait until you actually do have it against this guy.

@PhilipJReed-db3zc

15 күн бұрын

I'm really impressed with how the caller found the nut low medigame play. You could make a case that the bluff itself was a bit of a free roll. if you get caught, laugh it off and say I'm just donating to you man. that might be the rare circumstance where I get a bluff called and open muck it at showdown. showing successful bluffs is stupid 9 times out of 10 anyway. when it's a prop who treats you well, 11 times out of 10. just stack your chips and be grateful he folded, son.

@supersmoo7377

14 күн бұрын

Yeah this caller doesn’t seem too bright. But then again, I’ve done a lot of stupid stuff at the age of 23. This caller needs to learn from his mistakes and become a better person.

Zero chance he gives that money back lol

@dario9640

16 күн бұрын

Eh wouldn't say that

@justinhart7172

16 күн бұрын

@@dario9640just a read from listening

doing this to someone who generously tips you- comes across as douchey

@dgolfere-wgt5194

16 күн бұрын

true, and rude as f, very disrespectful, hope he'll never tip him again

@brianchassee

16 күн бұрын

sure. then owning it, calling in to admit this and ask for advice, and then hopefully following through on barts tip is not though. We all fuck up. It's how you handle yourself after that matters.

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

I was thinking stupid but I guess douchey works also. Caller here is so dense lol. What's he thinking in that moment?? He needs to be told by others that wasn't a smart move?! This guy is sooooo not smart

@derekbutts2660

16 күн бұрын

I mean maybe but if they are friendly and drinking it's all in fun. It doesn't have to be bad.

@jonpaxman

13 күн бұрын

Depends on the relationship. If he was a fun, splashy player who likes to play big pots against his buddies, it's probably fine.

Not a cool move. I don't like to take my friend's money in a casino. I want to take the other people's money. Home games are a totally different story.

I play at some home games, and sometimes run into the problem of a player wanting to "play nice", show a card or call out their hand. I don't want those things to be one sided, so I always say "play your hand. Try to take all my chips because I'm going to try to do the same." If we don't try to win, we're just paying the rake. I still have a ton of players get mad at me for various reasons (always after I beat them in a big pot), and it seems no matter how polite and how much I try to respect the ethics of the game, people still get mad. Also, I always allow a VIP to run it twice if they want (since I don't really care either way). It's been an adjustment for live poker. Other players have an opposite affect, where they like playing with me and enjoy the challenge of trying to beat me. I prefer those VIPs.

I would be emberrassed to have done this to my best tipper and ashamed to even think about calling this in...WTF

@huckleberryfinn8795

16 күн бұрын

Nice profile pic!!

@Kijik1996

16 күн бұрын

Dude the guy didn’t call it in to brag he called it in because he thought he made a mistake and wanted advice. You never made a mistake when you were 23??

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

​@Kijik1996 lol, caller is insanely dumb. He better start applying elsewhere cuz his reputation there is ruined now. Quite literally the dumbest thing u can possibly do as a dealer. A 7 year old knows not to bite the hand that feeds him! Even my dog knows that!! 😂😂

@Kijik1996

15 күн бұрын

@@jasonbailey5454 yeah I agree it wasn’t a smart move. Regardless there’s no point to shitting on the dude imo, he knows he messed up

If I'm the good tipping prop and a dealer does that to me, I wouldn't accept my money back. And that's it, that's the end of any tip you're seeing from me.

@ryanbahnsen6429

9 күн бұрын

Because you got bluffed? Ok 😂

You all are nuts. I agree with Bart 99% of the time but wtf. The guys are sitting in a no limit game. Dealer, prop, doesn’t matter. You are always allowed to play your stack however you want. The dude exposed a card in a multi way pot and got leveled. Seems standard to me

@josephkatz2704

16 күн бұрын

i agree 100%

@NealBurkard-ut1oo

16 күн бұрын

Nah I disagree

@jakeblabbers

16 күн бұрын

I have to agree also. You're playing poker. I sit at the same table as my friends sometimes and we get in a hand occasionally with each other. I really don't see what the big deal is here lol.

@skelthouser2730

16 күн бұрын

Ever hear the phrase, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you?"

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

@skelthouser2730 exactly! Even my dog knows not to do that, but apparently he's smarter than some humans in this comment section lol

Well from the sounds of it he's at least learning from his mistakes..? Doesnt sound like he called in to brag. It was bonehead move, for sure.. but in the grand scheme of things a pretty small fuck up for a young adult and a learning experience. Plenty of people his age making much costlier mistakes with no intentions on getting better.

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

Big mistake if he planned on continuing to work there. That story will be told by others at the table and ruin this dealers reputation there. Reputation is everything as a poker dealer. Dumbest poker story I've ever heard. He needs to learn NOT to do what he did??? It's common Fing sense!!

@ruudbakstra1805

15 күн бұрын

​@@jasonbailey5454Spot on!!!

Blasting on the prop player at the table is wild AF 😂 Bro was tryna definitely get fired

He's a kid...good for him for seeing his mistake and learning from it...I can't say I was ready to do that at 23...probably five years earlier than I would have figured this out.

Texas dealer here. When I sit down to play, it's understood by everyone that I'm there to battle. I'm trying to take your money and you're trying to take mine. Often times it ends with them taking mine but they understand that I'm good for the game. The generous tippers still tip well when I win against them. My experience has been that they tip even better after an epic session where degeneracy occurred. I would never go out of my way to try and humiliate them but I'm bluffing them huge on the river all the time and they know it.

Absolutely hilarious... Completely uncalled for and dumb, but hilarious

@4:55 welcome to Texas😂😂😂

This story is really is hilarious and Bart offered good advice to the kid. He really earned my respect in this one.

If this caller was a character from the movie Rounders, he would be Worm 😂

Caller treated the situation a bit like a prisoners dilemma problem and chose to defect. Perfectly fine and most +ev strategy if the game ends there and there are no other factors. If the interaction ended with showing the bluff and then dealer leaves town and moves to Costa Rica, this was a great move, made max $$ plus ego got a boost from showing the bluff. Instead, dealer made max $$ in the moment but will probably be down overall as tips will not be forthcoming, workplace harmony will be negatively affected, other people in the casino(judging by the comments here) will view dealer as somewhere between being a little bit douchy and not to be trusted. Bart's advice at the end to try and mend the situation seems solid to me. It's an interesting call and fair play to caller, I think he knows he did something that was a bit off and is not sweeping it under the rug

As a dealer that on a rare occasion does prop in the room, I'd never do something like this to a regular or co-worker. I usually play a bit softer at the really soft players when I prop. I play my A game against the good players though.

Everything about this call is shady as hell. The underlying message seems to be 'don't mess around with people colluding with the house and other regs/dealers'

@danradke98275

15 күн бұрын

I don't think it's shady, it's more just like hey man if this is someone who you see fairly regularly at work, often while both of you are on the clock, then it's likely in your best interest to keep your relationship professional and on good terms.

Is it Peter at champions? 😂😂

This whole situation is bizzare to me... in my country im not sure if its a law or policy but i think a dealer told me its a law that casino staff are not allowed to play in or at any of the casinos owned by the company (we have alot of casino "chains") instead dealers will set up a friendly 0.5/1 time game (usually smallest games are 1/3 raked) at a different casino to play once a month and will invite friendly regs to join if i remeber correctly from the one time i went to one of these either the sb or bb was given directly to the dealer as a tip so casinos would run this without compaining because there dealers would use it as a bonus... im not sure if we have prop players though this was my first time hearing that term

@EfficientRVer

15 күн бұрын

My initial play in casinos, was mainly at Foxwoods, where it's not allowed. But in Las Vegas, one time a dealer's half hour ended, the next dealer began, the the previous dealer threw a T shirt on over his uniform, and began playing. It's a bit shocking the first time you see that. But since them, I've encountered it at other places when dealers are off duty, though it's rare to see it just during a half hour break like that first time for me in Vegas. The good news, is that most dealers are much worse players than they believe they are.

Hey Leo it's Definitely Angel 😂😂😂

It’s poker, Phil

Cheers for the constant content you're putting out here, it's great for the community

The ultimate level here would have been the guy showing the J to actually be holding JJ and trying to induce a bluff from the action player because he "has to have it".

This caller is goofy as hell

If the guy wasn’t a good tipper I’d be all for it but this kind of why you shouldn’t be able to play where you work imo

i might not be privy to all of the card room politics at play in this call, but in my view, donking here and showing a jack feels a little disrespectful to the PFR, especially when you follow that up by going for three streets of thin value on a super draw-completing board. if you are going to take your ball and go home after being shown a bluff here, maybe consider a different line of work.

Didnt know there were props in texas

I was thinking the exact same thing Bart, give him his money back, and apologize for your screwy play. You were buzzed, and didn't think about how this would affect the play.👍😎✌🗽 P.S. However, putting myself in the villain's shoes, I already have as dislike for you due to that hand so am unlikely to regain the comradery we had before that game even should you give me the money back. Something to consider, maybe keep the money? Play it by ear.✌

Me and my buddy drove 2 hrs to Seminole Hard Rock. He stacked me for a G. I said why take my $. He said P over is an individual sport

@terrancepack3211

15 күн бұрын

That’s not your friend

@terrancepack3211

15 күн бұрын

That being said, I’d probably do the same. I don’t play with my friends😂

@Connor-ok2fo

15 күн бұрын

@@terrancepack3211wtf are you talking about you must have never played poker. Don’t gamble against your friend if you are going to get butthurt if you lose

@Dementia.Pugilistica

13 күн бұрын

So you would rather softplay/collude with your friend instead? My friend and I used to play together and if we ever got seated together, we announced that we were friends so that nothing could be taken as shady. Many times we took each other's $ because to not play as competitive against each other would have been unfair to the other players at the table. He called me with ace high when I had quads once for a $1K pot and not once was it even implied that the $ would or should be returned because if he'd called and won I'd never embarrass myself to ask for the $ back - we were playing POKER!

Might be an unpopular opinion, but just because that guy flops top pair and shows it doesn't mean he gets pity from me. It's not like he'd do that with pocket Jacks. He likely wanted bluff immunity and people to fold their draws / overs. You can't just expect to remove a major aspect of the game whenever you want, then get pissed others didn't think the same way. That being said, I'd never do this vs someone who gives me business, or a whale. I'd just show the king and pretend I got lucky and spike kq. Showing is the only part I disagree with.

Prop shows Jc. Prop could easily have a flush. Yet hero jams. Hero is a super fish.

Is this what you call “friendship “ . I sure don’t want a friend like this .

My general rule in life: Never crap where you eat!

Moral of the story: Don't deficate where you eat.

You can shear a sheep many times but skin it only once. The caller was getting good tips from the prop and then decided to rip the hide off of him......for no good reason.

Guy isn't too bright.

There are no friends at the poker table, I learned that the hard way when someone who I thought was my buddy Hollywooded me. But yeah explain how you're new to the game and give him some of his money back you didn't know any better etc...

subtext is never play in a game with props no matter how it is phrased you are playing against players in collusion with one another

Tilt equity is real

tilt equity ))

I would never give the pot back, but I also think making the bluff and showing the bluff was absurdly dumb... that said, it's poker. There are good players like kasouf and martin Gabrhel or nik airball that are absolutely fine being hated and even make it work to their advantage, but they're also going to miss out on other opportunities that come from being liked. Being liked is +EV and it takes a very very good player to turn being 'the heel' into a +EV situation, and I don't think this kid falls into that category. But hey, he seems to understand he's young and made a mistake. It happens.

Bro says he matured as a person, but he is laughing and so arrogant about his bluff throughout the call.

What is a prop player?

@NealBurkard-ut1oo

16 күн бұрын

They are players payed to get the games started. It's common.

@Clarencefondue

15 күн бұрын

Or just watch the video and listen to Bart explain what a prop is.

@hullhealersboatworksrestor4377

15 күн бұрын

@@NealBurkard-ut1oo they get paid hourly and they get staked by the card room or its their own money?

@schnu2u

15 күн бұрын

A prop player gets paid to prop-up games to get the rake flowing to the house.

@4everNdeavor

15 күн бұрын

@@hullhealersboatworksrestor4377 They get paid an hourly but play with their own money

Idk. Not playing to max against certain players seems icky to me.

You never should've shown 😂 let him think you had the nuts

After playing in TX a few years now, there are numerous dealers on my do-not-tip-list I never had a do-not-tip-list after almost 20 years in California The dealers in TX are in general not only terribad at dealing, they also don’t understand their role at all and act like they are another player in the game Mostly loser degens who just want to be around a gambling environment imo

Screw that. Don't show the J

Wow, I don't think this guy understands that he actually cost "all of the dealers" a ton of money. What a stupid move man. Think more about what your actions might lead to down the road.

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

100%. Don't bite the hand that feeds u. Even my 7 year old and dog know that much. Caller is incredibly dense

I dont understand. Hows the dealer in the hand ?

@3six967

15 күн бұрын

He was off shift as a dealer, playing as a prop player for the casino during the hand.

@Fred-rg5vw

15 күн бұрын

@@3six967 Thanks. Next question, what's a prop player ?

@pot_kivach160

15 күн бұрын

@@Fred-rg5vw hahaha...they never explained that properly. He was the casino man/agent...playing against staff/dealers and normal customers!?? It's like the old time of Wild West!! No one knows what's going on. A mixes of conflict of interest, collusions and preys. So sad, this found the presentation in this vlog series.

How is a “prop” allowed that sounds sketchy as hell

He doesn't like the guy?!

I mean, the whole concept is weird here. To me, the prop shouldn't of showed his Jack. I think he was dumb for doing that. He wanted people to fold, that's not how this game works... obviously no one did anything illegal or against the rules, it's just play stupid games and win stupid prizes from both parties.

Only thing I understood from this entire video is that this has nothing to do with poker.

Judging by many of the comments on here, I see that half the folks are shortsighted and live for the moment. The rest of us are actually considering the longer term ramifications of our immediate actions...

Enough with the grand standing bart

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. When dealers play at my local spot they usually never bluff regulars. It's just bad business. Especially if they are whales.

It’s just another example of how toxic poker players can be with their egos. You win a hand, be humble. You don’t have to shove everything down the throat of the losing player. People should definitely not be doing this at the lowest stakes and only be doing it at players who you know can take it and are pros in the game.

Give him his money back. Uncool action.

Caller thinks both his A and K are live? What a fish. Prop never calling w QJ so he has AJ, or KJ at worst.

Donk story after donk story.. this is has been a few in a row..

Not smart but kinda hilarious

I'll have to take the obviously unpopular stance and say: I don't get the problem at all. When I'm at the poker table, I'm there to take the most chips possible from anyone possible. That's literally the reason I'm there. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" applies in a lot of life situations, but certainly not when playing poker. I consider any kind of softplay an insult to me or to the person I'm (hypothetically) soft playing and certainly extremely unfair to all uninvolved people at the table. If you shoot yourself in the knee by showing me a card, you can be certain I'll do my best to take advantage of that, no matter the stakes, no matter who you are. That's literally the point of the game. Anything else is clearly corrupting game integrity imo. If that hurts you professionally: a) Don't show me a card. b) Watch out when choosing your profession (I tell that to my 5 apprentices - in a totally different kind of work - all the time :D ). If the result is that the person I beat isn't gonna tip me anymore afterwards when I deal, or reacts negativeIy in any other way away from the table, I'd consider THAT a totally stupid and unnecessarily butthurt move. But I wouldn't take it bad myself. I'm playing a hypercomplex strategy game to the best of my ability, no more, no less.

@pot_kivach160

14 күн бұрын

hey, that looks right! However, this video (and comments) shows how many people did not get it. When you sit down at a table ready to take my chips, then why's it stupid that I am going to do my best to take your chips. If I have any problem with that, then I do not sit at that table for as long as you're sitting there.

@DocTight

14 күн бұрын

@@pot_kivach160 Exactly. I'll be nice to you away from the table any time, and in fact I'll be nice to you at the table as well, but there, I'll always be trying to take your chips, too. :)

He was drinking have a good time. Don’t be to hard on yourself

yep, 23 gonna be 23. Daaaa. Hopefully he refunds

Im sorry..but it kinda sounds like prop was expecting people to just soft play him. I hate players who do fhis kind of stuff and then get mad when tou play your hand. But with that said, I do agree..just fold the flop. You have no draws..and at this point youre just trying to tilt a dude who is friendly with you.

Terrible move imo. On top of that, i bet the villain makes the call had they not have the relationship.

Don't show cards in the middle of a hand. People will try to take advantage of it.

Great call, I liked this guy

Dealers shouldn’t play at their own club

Fucking hate soft play, even Bart admits that it is common and that just sucks

Do the other players in the game know there's a "prop"? Something about this seems so scummy but it's poker so I'm not surprised lol

@YoshiBugatti

16 күн бұрын

That’s literally the opposite of everything said in this video though. “Props” are normally tight/nitty players that are just trying to break even on the hourly rate they get paid by the casino. Sounds like a “paid actor” situation that can lead to collusion. I’m low key glad the “dealer” bluffed and showed but more surprised this would even be a CLP video.

@goobiesgamegarage4517

16 күн бұрын

@@YoshiBugatti you right I have heard the term used differently.

There have been plenty of bad plays on this show, is there a single play worse than this one??????

Caller should never call into a strategy show again

This is by far the worst take Bart has ever had. The entire point of poker is to try to win the pot. If you are not trying to beat someone just because you know them THAT IS COLLUSION. This guy did nothing wrong at all and rather played the game as it was intended. If the prop can’t handle getting bluffed by the dealer, then they shouldn’t be playing in the same game

I disagree, poker is about having fun! Great bluff caller

@xertion4870

16 күн бұрын

Yeah poker is about having fun but work is Is about making money and your livelihood and he mixed the two up.

@jimstacy1341

16 күн бұрын

@@xertion4870 disagreed. In my opinion the prop has a fragile ego if he stops tipping well now. Also maybe the casino could hire a better prop if he’s losing to a dealer 😂

@jasonbailey5454

16 күн бұрын

​@@jimstacy1341u know nothing

@xertion4870

16 күн бұрын

@@jimstacy1341 we know you disagree... thatis why you made that asinine comment.

@jimstacy1341

15 күн бұрын

@@jasonbailey5454 thanks for you useless comment

“You could call it collusion, or whatever” ….yes, yes I would lmao. So glad I get to play in actual Indian casinos here in the NE. If I ever sat down at a table and there were THREE people (including THE DEALER!??!) who are essentially employees of the casino, AND PLAYING AGAINST ME, I would fucking lose it.

@charlesnewborn3760

16 күн бұрын

Clearly you don't play poker because you don't understand that THE DEALER!!!?? Is NOT the dealer of the hand. He HAPPENS to be a Dealer at the casino and was off his shift. Playing with dealers and floors is highly profitable most of the time.

@jacobbirkenfeld9261

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesnewborn3760 I did misunderstand that, I thought the dealer himself was playing in the hand just to try and get the table going 😂 … that being said, I still find this whole thing extremely sketchy, and this hand and barts analysis is the reason why, you have 3/4 of the table soft-playing/showing each other when they have it after it becomes heads up, etc… You’re right I’ve never played poker before though, so what do I know? 🙂

@Jermo484

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesnewborn3760 The casinos here don't even let you play in the room if you're a casino employee. As they shouldn't.

@charlesnewborn3760

16 күн бұрын

@@Jermo484 there's pros and cons to casinos that do this. Its typically strictly Indian Casinos fhat do this and the reasoning is simply a game protection/security thing. It's hardly applicable to Poker, but some casinos don't think about this and just restrict all forms of gambling for employees. Here im California, most card rooms allow employees to play, and why wouldn't you want that? are you allergic to money? Most losing players dont want employees in the game because they want to blame everyone else for losing except the person in the mirror.

@Jermo484

16 күн бұрын

@@charlesnewborn3760 What are the cons, exactly?