Deadlift Series #2 -Tips for Optimally Programming the Deadlift and Increasing Your Pull

Bad leverages, poor coaching, injuries.... you name it. In my 20 years of training, I've had a heck of a time getting my deadlift to move.
If you are having difficulty increasing your deadlift or aren't quite sure how to program deadlifts, stay tuned. In this clip, we address how to improve the deadlift by addressing your body type, your strengths and weaknesses, and how to set up a solid deadlift program tailored to you.

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  • @lyotofan1
    @lyotofan14 жыл бұрын

    This is literally the toughest looking nerdy dude I've ever seen in life

  • @mikeyf1904

    @mikeyf1904

    3 жыл бұрын

    He looks like be will beat you up if you don't pay attention 😂

  • @jaymobiggety9903

    @jaymobiggety9903

    2 жыл бұрын

    In school the bullies would give him their lunch money.

  • @heveyweightheveyweight5399

    @heveyweightheveyweight5399

    2 жыл бұрын

    lord of the rings

  • @scottmitchell1974
    @scottmitchell19744 жыл бұрын

    This is why I landed on 9-day cycles. Traditional week was too short, anything longer than 9 days I'd stagnate. For me, 9 days were the sweet-spot.

  • @bennygilligan
    @bennygilligan4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely loving this channel quality advice keep up the great content

  • @Powerlifterusa
    @Powerlifterusa3 жыл бұрын

    I’m 5’8 with a step length of a 6’-6’1” person and short arms. Deadlifts are a wild ride

  • @khoo55
    @khoo554 жыл бұрын

    Wow never thought of this but it makes so much sense now. I never recovered very well from deadlifts and was constantly getting injured.

  • @descendantofgoku5548
    @descendantofgoku55483 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are great, keep them coming! Thank you!

  • @mrcox2014
    @mrcox20144 жыл бұрын

    Great video man. Subscribed.

  • @cscs0707
    @cscs07074 жыл бұрын

    This made so much sense for me, a fellow long torso dude. Thanks man.

  • @eddysheppard8346
    @eddysheppard83464 жыл бұрын

    what an informative video, great stuff mate thank u.

  • @Thyllnes
    @Thyllnes4 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what i have been looking for! I have pretty much the same build like you, short arms, longer torso. My pressing is very good, but my deadlift have sucked in comparising. Always burn out and regress. Will try out these tips and hopefully my deadlift will not sucks as bad.

  • @haugealx
    @haugealx4 жыл бұрын

    i love this channel more and more, its like watching juggernaut training, u deserve more views

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen
    @LarsRyeJeppesen2 жыл бұрын

    Great information, thanks Alex

  • @hgtpmrinbetween3484
    @hgtpmrinbetween34845 жыл бұрын

    Just what i need man. I have long legs but fcking T-Rex arms, deadlifts are my worst lift of the 3. But hey i still like too do them.

  • @samueluaperaamo4639
    @samueluaperaamo46399 ай бұрын

    This was absolutely Gold👍🏻

  • @nicopostigo123
    @nicopostigo1233 жыл бұрын

    Great video man. Thank you!

  • @tanwirkhan78611
    @tanwirkhan786114 жыл бұрын

    Great information... keep it up I have started using the breathing technique discussed in a another video, I've gone from belly breathing to using my abs TVA and breathing... made a lot of difference... this video is filled more nuggets then Gold Rush.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @freeflowme
    @freeflowme4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. I’m a new / newer lifter (only 6-7 months under my belt at this point after 15+ years of being a sedentary adult, though I lifted a lot in high school and college so I’ve still got the movement patterns ingrained in there) and I got back into things using Pavel’s Power to the People program, which has you deadlift and press 5x/wk, but at relatively low intensities and low volume. I made great progress for 6 months, and developed strength that really carried over to my squat and bench without ever practicing those movements themselves (just from developing posterior chain and shoulder girdle strength and learning to be maximally braced while lifting). But then my deadlift hit a wall hard, and I had just incredible lower back fatigue. I’m a short arm dude, and my proportions have me starting with my back almost parallel to the ground, so it makes sense now why the deadlift would take an extra toll on me - my back has to move through an incredibly long range of motion on each rep. So, I’m learning to make the squat my primary lower body compound movement, and train the deadlift more intelligently. It’s my favorite lift, and I miss practicing it so often, but that’s the way things go. Thanks for this video, knowledge, and training options. Great stuff, and subscribed and following 👍

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    I feel those short arm pains! Don't sweat it, because once you find your limitations and work around them, you will continue to grow. Nothing more gratifying than turning your worst lift into your best!

  • @muineeguh7011
    @muineeguh70112 жыл бұрын

    Can’t believe I live in a time when all this information is available on the internet for FREE

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen

    @LarsRyeJeppesen

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's nice. Wish we had this when I started training in the 80ies

  • @MrHapp7
    @MrHapp74 жыл бұрын

    Id love to see more programming videos on off season. What sort of periodisation you suggest for beginners/intermediate lifters for improving both big lifts and accessories.

  • @FeelnLikeIDoEveryDay
    @FeelnLikeIDoEveryDay4 жыл бұрын

    Just use as many days to get through your training "week" as is necessary. Sage advice. Subscribed.

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen

    @LarsRyeJeppesen

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep I am 53 and my week "cycle" is 8 days. That extra day is for active recovery and mobility. I might move to 9 days when I get even older.

  • @RodgerLucky714
    @RodgerLucky7144 жыл бұрын

    Bro, I love watching your videos cause I feel like we have the same body type

  • @Oho159
    @Oho1595 жыл бұрын

    great information :)

  • @farhanhussain_
    @farhanhussain_3 жыл бұрын

    I have long arms and long femur, deadlifts come so natural to me, but still I agree with him that deadlifts take a lot of recovery. These days I am following the Lillibridge approach for deadlift...every other week a heavy session and lighter or hypertrophy type assistance work on next week...it seems to help with recovery and progress on deadlift.

  • @tropicalpalmtree
    @tropicalpalmtree4 жыл бұрын

    Great content

  • @jackdemoguitar
    @jackdemoguitar4 жыл бұрын

    This is a great video. I was on training that had heavy deadlifts each week and I got destroyed. I have a similar build to you, but I'm also 6'4" so these issues compound even more.

  • @jackphilamore288

    @jackphilamore288

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jack Getman Ah so you too are in the tall man hobbit club, it fucking sucks.

  • @manicmandownup
    @manicmandownup2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing

  • @JC_1324
    @JC_13244 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a blog, facebook, twitter, insta, or anything? I just want more content. I love that you've broken everything into simple concepts and explained why, by and large, it works.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    I had a blog that didn't go anywhere. I'm going to revive it and post some of the old content. I'll announce when I do!

  • @alecstewart2612
    @alecstewart26122 жыл бұрын

    A lot of this hits home for me. I got stuck with short legs and a long torso. There'd be times when I'd be eating and sleeping great and deadlifting twice a week, but I just wouldn't progress on deadlift and even feel kind shit after deadlift sessions. Now it make sense, and I have a better idea of how I should program for myself.

  • @mariuszmroczkowski8618
    @mariuszmroczkowski86183 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 💪🏻

  • @heveyweightheveyweight5399
    @heveyweightheveyweight53992 жыл бұрын

    holy shit its the dude with the battle axe and shield from lord of rings .great video as always alex . signing up at the forum today

  • @user-ov3nt4ll4d
    @user-ov3nt4ll4d4 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to rotate one week heavy deadlift and the other week lighter deadlift with the same volume? I mean by that way you will be practicing moving patterns.

  • @Oh6Torch
    @Oh6Torch3 жыл бұрын

    I will respectfully disagree with a single point. The distance between the bar and the floor with 45 plates is constant. Therefore, a person with shorter legs is at an advantage over a taller (or people with longer legs). The shorter legged person has to both travel less to the bar and less upwards once in hand. Love your content. Thank you for this channel!!!

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're talking about a person who is absolutely short. When I talk about 'long' or 'short' limbs, it's relative to the rest of your body. If I test two people who are both 6'0, one with long femurs and one with short, the shorter femurs are generally going to involve a more awkward setup. If you're short, you're likely to have stubbier limbs, which equates to bad leverages. If you're tall, you can hold more mass and will naturally be able to produce more force. There are a lot of variables that determine how advantaged someone is, but there doesn't seem to be a trend of short people being better pullers. In fact, we see just the opposite in powerlifting and strongman.

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen

    @LarsRyeJeppesen

    2 жыл бұрын

    How come the biggest people are also the strongest deadlifters then? You should tell Thor

  • @scottb4767
    @scottb47673 жыл бұрын

    Really glad I found this video! Can I toss in trap bar deadlifts, and are they worth it? Thanks

  • @TheOmengod
    @TheOmengod3 жыл бұрын

    I have the long torso n short legs too with medium length arms. My question would be: Would it be advantageous for me to pull of a 2-3 inch block to avoid injury? Especially when going to the heavier weight range? Deadlift is my favorite lift so this disadvantage really sucks lol.

  • @timetohunt1
    @timetohunt1 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Alexander, I can't find your Breathing and Bracing Ebook on your site? Thanks for sharing all this info.

  • @dionysosalters290
    @dionysosalters2902 жыл бұрын

    What can you do about SI joint pain after deadlifts?

  • @gwam83
    @gwam834 жыл бұрын

    great advice man, I do disagree with long legs being better for deadlift though. The dream mechnics for Deadlift are super long arms and short legs this allows for hips closer to the bar and more upright torso which is closer to lock out position. Cailer Woolam does have fairly long legs but if you notice must of it is shin bone lol.

  • @MrCmon113

    @MrCmon113

    2 жыл бұрын

    If your arms are long enough to reach the bar while standing upright, your deadlift is infinite.

  • @gwam83

    @gwam83

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@metsasuomalainen3691 You see longer leg guys DL big more often because they tend to have very long arms. powerlifting is not a balanced sport lol. it's 100% based on you shape, leverages. Most often big barrel chested guys when huge joints and hands short stubby legs (Bonus if they have long arms too) will smoke everyone

  • @gwam83

    @gwam83

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@metsasuomalainen3691 I watched a lot of comps in person and online, and 9 times outta 10 I can tell who's gonna lift more just by looking at them. Of course there are exceptions but in general it's good rule of thumb. Long legs are terrible for powerlifting dude seriously, squat mechanics are so inefficient much longer range of motion more pressure from being more bent over, spaz legs having to get out the way to make space lol.

  • @gwam83

    @gwam83

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@metsasuomalainen3691 dude when I say long legs of course I mean in relation to their body. I don't wish to argue further on this, I've made my point. Regardless everyone should push as hard as they can and see where they end up.

  • @gwam83

    @gwam83

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@metsasuomalainen3691 you think alot of dumb things though

  • @bluetrain69
    @bluetrain692 жыл бұрын

    This is great info. Thank you! However, you have 11 videos on the Deadlift, clearly it’s a difficult move to master. Wouldn’t one have to do more deadlifts to master the deadlift mechanics?

  • @robertbatista7164
    @robertbatista71644 жыл бұрын

    The Empire training blocs make a lot more sense after watching this.

  • @CeroAshura
    @CeroAshura4 жыл бұрын

    Hey boss, I'm mostly having trouble with recovery at this point, do you recommend deloading and building back up in linear or taking a week off?

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lot of options, I can't recommend one without knowing more about you. I'll say this: if recovery is an issue the best bet is to either do a slow linear run up where you start light and easy and slowly jump each week(i.e. 70%x3, 75%x3, 80%x2, 85%x1, 90%x1, 1RM) or to have more time in between your deadlift days (10-14 days).

  • @manicmandownup
    @manicmandownup3 жыл бұрын

    I had a lumbar fusion about 10 years ago, and started lifting about 3 years ago. I start to progress in the squat and deadlift, but then I retreat because of the anxiety I have of hurting myself. Like, when it gets heavy I’m hesitant to add that extra umph. So, I use the hex bar every Wednesday and progress in slight increments. It also presents with the same limitations, but it works better for me because of the angles. I guess my point is that it’s a bummer lifting while catering to a chronic injury.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    3 жыл бұрын

    Best thing you can do is make sure your ability to brace is never the limiting factor in a deadlift. Get a ton of practice keeping a neutral spine while hinging. Takes a lot of time but it will allow you to progress injury free

  • @manicmandownup

    @manicmandownup

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderBromley awesome, thanks for the advice and I really appreciate it. I’ll make sure to get some straight bar practice in and make sure I’m keeping a neutral spine...great videos and information 👍🏻

  • @johndouglas1294
    @johndouglas12943 жыл бұрын

    I have been doing snatch grip deadlifts.

  • @kennethbhall6557
    @kennethbhall6557 Жыл бұрын

    Pure gold. I found even as a teenager I did best deadlifting every 10 days. At 61 I still follow this logic. Thanks!!

  • @Isaiah-ft5nx
    @Isaiah-ft5nx3 жыл бұрын

    I wish I saw this video about 5 years ago. I didn't know I wasn't a mutant. I thought I could train deadlifts with deadlifts, and I've been struggling with back issues ever since and I was pissed because I had completely plateaued at 315. Thanks for the video.

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen

    @LarsRyeJeppesen

    2 жыл бұрын

    How is it going now?

  • @marianobertola9457
    @marianobertola94574 жыл бұрын

    graeat channel. I have a question: if i lift less than 180kg.... the theory is the same?

  • @russellmuscle7434
    @russellmuscle74344 жыл бұрын

    I pulled 505 with a hitch 2 months ago and I'm down to 475, got it clean earlier tonight. Trying to work back up.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you're that aware of where your 1RM is within 2 months, it means you are maxing too often. I've maxed my deadlift once in the last 18 months. Spend more time training, less time testing!

  • @jimreuss
    @jimreuss3 жыл бұрын

    Glad I found this video. I'm 5'5 but have the torso of someone who's 6'5. T rex arms too lol

  • @nigelthomas8315
    @nigelthomas83154 жыл бұрын

    Thanks I’m same shape as you so DL hits me hard I want to keep doing it for powerlifting as I need to Learn cues can you do something on programming for older lifters?

  • @darthkillstealer3181

    @darthkillstealer3181

    4 жыл бұрын

    nigel thomas I’m in the same boat as you “penguin mode” and I pull more conventional than that other way, so lots and lots of heavy deads kill me for days and days. So for deadlifts I just run 531 dialed back to about 85% training max. It might be suboptimal but it’s survivable and that’s the main key to masters lifting.

  • @nigelthomas8315

    @nigelthomas8315

    4 жыл бұрын

    I been doing a grey skull lp variation only one amrap set on DL every Wednesday I had back injury but it’s improving longer warm up and McGill working also added SLDL BOR and Leg press to DL day in line with Alexander view more assistance exercise

  • @samuelparkinson5407
    @samuelparkinson54074 жыл бұрын

    I have the deadlift fatigue issue. Recently watched the elitefts basic template for conjugate and Dave talks about deadlift only being 10% of the Max Effort work. Only been a month in but my energy has come back significantly.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    One of the pitfalls I've seen with typical conjugate templates is with the squat and deadlift being treated interchangeably. Since the main mode of progression is with the max effort day and there's only one per week, finding a structure that gives appropriate attention to both lifts is tricky. Deadlifting won't increase your squat and (as you touched on) working it too frequently will sap recovery from other days. For those reasons, most of the effort typically gets put into squatting in hopes of it driving up the deadlift. I would argue strongly that you won't become a great deadlifter if 90% of your "heavy" (or let's even say 'main') work is with some non-deadlift movement.

  • @imapanda2434
    @imapanda2434Ай бұрын

    What if I just do 8-12 rep range and only do my heavy 5x5s (or 3s, 2s, 1s) once every two weeks?

  • @markdombrowski9619
    @markdombrowski96194 жыл бұрын

    So many questions. Start with simple one. Deadlift on back day, or on leg day? I tend to avoid doing them, not because I don’t like them ( I don’t ), but because most days I workout at night prior to going to work , and I’m on a pretty strict time budget. Deadlifts alone eat up a good 20 minutes of time after I’ve already put an hour in, and I at most have an hour and a half to workout( most days just over an hour ).

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you are a recreational (not preparing for a powerlifting or strongman meet) lifter who follows traditional body part splits, deads can kick off either an 'upper back' day or a 'hamstring/glute' day. In either scenario, do them first; you will get more out of the rest of the workout. An hour is plenty of time, you just have to keep distractions down and manage your rest periods.

  • @markdombrowski9619

    @markdombrowski9619

    4 жыл бұрын

    Alexander Bromley I work out really fast. I do a lot of double sets and super sets. Heavy days take a bit longer, but my moderate weight day , I average a set a minute. Thx for the advice. I’ll give it a try.

  • @unky5724

    @unky5724

    2 жыл бұрын

    Back on deadlift day

  • @Daniearp
    @Daniearp3 жыл бұрын

    Does the longer week apply for post novices? I'm currently deadlifting once a week and sumo deadlifting as assistance (lighter weight and higher rep) once a week, but I feel maybe it's too much I consider myself still a novice or post novice, RMs are 165KG/363lbs Squat, 125kg/275lbs Bench press and 185kg/407lbs Deadlift

  • @austinmauger1724

    @austinmauger1724

    3 жыл бұрын

    Really really depends based off the purpose. For me (same deadlift) 1 Heavy set of 5 a week, with some back off work is more than enough. Deadlift was 150kg at the start of the year so no complaints. That being said, still a novice so obviously newbie gains

  • @DatKundalini
    @DatKundalini4 жыл бұрын

    I know this is an older video. I'm 5-11 and I'm a T-Rex. Long torso short arms. I've big quads big ass. Would Sumo be better for me?

  • @EvanHynes

    @EvanHynes

    3 жыл бұрын

    Try both, decide after a while of doing both

  • @OMAR-vk9pi
    @OMAR-vk9pi3 жыл бұрын

    I have decently long arms and long legs but my back angle is still closer to parallel

  • @Stoverade
    @Stoverade4 жыл бұрын

    Dude I've been searching for this video! Great bench and squat genetics but terrible deadlift leverages.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Struggled with that for years! It can be frustrating, but it just requires a different approach.

  • @anthonyluisi7096
    @anthonyluisi70964 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video ..very practical ... there are some genetic freak deadlifters out there ... Rubbish , hack , woolam... the deadlift kicks my CNS ASS

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen

    @LarsRyeJeppesen

    2 жыл бұрын

    Rubish was hard on tren

  • @TheSid2355
    @TheSid23554 жыл бұрын

    best linear program?

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Impossible to answer. Don't look at it as 'best program', look at it as best principles. Any good linear program is going to have regular use of the lift you are trying to get good at and have intentional variations in volume and intensity over time, all while taking into account how much recovery is necessary. For squats and presses you can train with more frequency and intensity, so I like simple '5x5' linear progressions. Greyskull LP is one I've used a lot (or anything with plus sets). For deadlifts, you cant train frequently and you cant go heavy very often, so I like a long build up with 4-5 week waves, similar to what 5/3/1 does, just with more aggressive jumps. Something like 5x3 @ 75% week 1, 4x3 @ 80% week 2, 3x2 @ 85% week 3, 2x1 @ 90% week 4, new 1 rep max week 5. Deload then start over, or go into a cycle that emphasizes squats. There's a ton of options, and it can get confusing. Some training decisions are completely arbitrary, some are vital for success. Whatever you do, just pick something and COMMIT to finishing it!! Don't evaluate if it works or not until you have completed the cycle.

  • @TheSid2355

    @TheSid2355

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderBromley Thank you for replying back to me. This info is priceless and i can't thank you enough. Seems like for years, I wasted time in the gym. Hopefully, now i can progress quicker. Just a fyi my bw is 265lbs bench is at 375 trying to 405 next year pause. Deadlift around 600 if i drink enough coffee lol and squat is lets not talk about it.

  • @xeniosgerolemou6061
    @xeniosgerolemou60612 жыл бұрын

    18:56 important tip

  • @ryang7759
    @ryang77593 жыл бұрын

    I have that shirt... but sized for a guy who can pull 415, not 700

  • @odjrin
    @odjrin3 жыл бұрын

    Bromley: Broly in disguise.

  • @DynamicUnoTea
    @DynamicUnoTea Жыл бұрын

    Oh wow. I have long femurs and arms with a shorter torso. Squatting is the devil, but it's nice to know that deadlifting is supposed to be made for me.

  • @Moh1Z
    @Moh1Z3 жыл бұрын

    What about just deadlifting every other week?

  • @leonharmon5147
    @leonharmon51474 жыл бұрын

    Not understanding how a different movement rest my nervous system. Is it because it’s actually less intensity so less stress? I’m not understanding how my nervous system knows the difference from a stressful deadlift from the floor versus a stressful deadlift from blocks.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Variations provide a novel stimulus. The pattern of motor recruitment is different, so it's not the same signal going down the same pathway recruiting the same motor units. Think of a hypothetical 'Red Line' you have; the hardest you could push any lift given your physical abilities. The more practiced/advanced you are in a lift, the closer you get to that Red Line. This is why elite lifters deload 3-4 weeks out from a meet and newbies only need 4-7 days. When you start a different exercise, you are unpracticed, so further away from that line, so even with 'maximal' efforts, stress is less. Obviously, this all made up psuedo-intellectual bro science and I'm sure there are more mechanisms at play, but this coincides with what we observe and it's the best we got, so it's what we go with.

  • @leonharmon5147

    @leonharmon5147

    4 жыл бұрын

    Alexander Bromley understood thanks for the reply

  • @leonharmon5147

    @leonharmon5147

    4 жыл бұрын

    So the motor recruitment is that different with a deficit deadlift versus conventional? It seems like what you’ve effectively did was decrease intensity (assuming that your rpe 8 deficit dL is less pounds than rpe 8 conventional) and increased volume (because of the longer range of motion) The combination which I just refer to “load management” which to me means just do your conventionals with less weight and more reps Or maybe it’s the Combo of the what we’re both saying I like your channel. Not a troll. Speed work doesn’t make sense to me either. Just trying to further my understanding.

  • @stoempert
    @stoempert4 жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing this vid is geared towards people who have or want to do DL. If not, why no mention of the trap bar?

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, most of my content is geared towards those who are aiming to be competitive in a barbell/strength sport or those whose training otherwise revolves around main barbell lifts. For those of you with broader fitness or physique goals, you get a ton of leeway in your training and don't have to arbitrarily focus on one specific lift.

  • @jefferylord3068
    @jefferylord30684 жыл бұрын

    Heavy squats whoop me worse!

  • @edkennedy7952
    @edkennedy79524 жыл бұрын

    This is why I use a Trap-bar.

  • @oblivionpro69
    @oblivionpro694 жыл бұрын

    From what I've seen the best deadlifters have long arms yes, but short legs, not long legs. I'm sure the femur to tibia ratio matters a lot to but they all have short legs an long torsos. That combination means they have to bend over a lot less. Guys like Eddie hall who have comically long arms and short legs are almost already standing up in they're deadlift starting position.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    4 жыл бұрын

    I know what you're talking about; short legs/torso and long arms is the build the freaks have who lock the bar out at their knee caps. I dont know if Hall is a good example; he locks the bar about 2/3 up his thigh. Woolam stands out, as does Lamar Gant. Their bodies look grossly misproportioned. Not a lot of guys with those leverages; I think that's a rare build among the general population.

  • @oblivionpro69

    @oblivionpro69

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderBromley That Dr. deadlift guy is another one who has that crazy build, i think.

  • @mossoconnor4417

    @mossoconnor4417

    4 жыл бұрын

    bob bill Eddy Hall has really quite average if not short arms? They definitely aren’t comically long at all, he just built incredibly strong hips, legs and back to get his world record.

  • @PP-xj7vg

    @PP-xj7vg

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@oblivionpro69 Cailer Woolam. He mentioned him.

  • @davidklausen1316
    @davidklausen13162 жыл бұрын

    Respectfully, I don't think your analysis of torso/femur ratio is correct, and I don't agree with a general claim that a smaller torso/femur ratio is better for deadlift mechanics. I've got a bachelors in mechanical engineering so I understand the physics, and I'm a powerlifter and coach so I understand the lift fairly well. Lift biomechanics is something that I love, and I think it's of value to get these things right. Here's my analysis: From a mechanical perspective the deadlift is (for most people in most cases) limited by the peak hip moment load that the hip extensors have to overcome in the first half of the lift. (One exception is people who consistently fail the lift above the knees. Their deadlifts are limited by other factors) The peak hip moment scales linearly with how much weight is on the bar and with the length of the lever arm. The lever arm for the hip moment is defined as the horizontal distance between the hip joint and the line of force. The line of force is the vertical line from the barbell. Anthropometric ratios affect the length of the hip lever arm, and deadlift mechanics are greatly benefited by ratios that shorten the hip lever arm. The primary anthropometric ratio that will shorten the hip lever arm is the ratio of (Arm length) /(Legs + torso length), which is very closely correlated with the ape index. Longer arms is absolutely the best thing to have if you want to have good deadlift mechanics. It is clear that for a given arm length, the hip moment arm will also be shortened if either the spine or the femurs are shortened. The ideal deadlifter then is someone who has long arms, short femurs and a short torso. The worst deadlifter is someone with short arms, long femurs and a long torso. I think you'll agree with me thus far. Now, getting to my point: A smaller spine/femur ratio is only helpful in this scenario: If we keep the length of the arms and the femurs constant, a shorter torso will shorten the hip moment arm. However, the opposite is also true: For a given arm length and torso length, if we shorten the femur, the hip moment arm will shorten. Cailer Woolam would absolutely have better deadlift mechanics if we shortened his femurs and kept everything else the same, in other words increasing his torso/femur ratio in this way would be an improvement. However, if we increased Cailers torso/femur ratio by lenghtening his torso, and keeping everything else the same, it would make his mechanics a lot worse. Anyone can verify this by going to this awesome online calculator for lift biomechanics and play around with the anthropometry settings www.mysquatmechanics.com/deadlift/ For pretty much any set of torso and arm lengths, shortening the femurs will reduce the hip moment load, and lengthening the torso will increase the hip moment load. Now, it seems to be true that a lot of really good deadlifters have proportions similar to Cailer, and Cailer does have long femurs compared to his torso, so doesn't that disprove my analysis? I don't think so. The numbers don't lie, and shorter femurs can absolutely improve deadlift mechanics, but I think there is a very good reason why we see a lot of top deadlifters with these proportions: Long arms is the most important thing, and the morphogenic factors that drive arm length and leg length in embryology have great correlation. In other words, people who have long arms tend to have long legs. Long arms is the most important thing for good deadlift mechanics, and shorter femurs would help as well, but it's very rare to have both long arms and short femurs. It is however a lot more common to have long arms and long legs, but a somewhat shorter torso. The long femurs of Cailer is actually somewhat of a disadvantage, but that disadvantage is massively outweighed by his long arms. Don't believe me? go play with the numbers for yourself. I assure you it is the case. Like I said earlier, the ideal deadlifter is someone with long arms but short femurs and torso, in other words someone who looks a bit like a Gibbon ape. However human embryology almost never produces people who look like this. The next best thing for deadlifts then is someone with long arms (and the long femurs that come with them) and a short torso, people like Cailer, which is produced a lot more often by our biology. On the flipside, people who have a long torso compared to their femur are often good squatters but not so good deadlifters. This is not because of the torso/femur ratio, but because these people basically ALWAYS have short arms to go with their short femurs. Other than the point about torso/femur ratio, I think I agreed with mostly everything in this video and greatly appreciate your other content.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'll respond more thoroughly, but the first thing that stands out is you said 'short femur, short torso' being best. Short relative to what? They both can't be short relative to height or relative to each ither.

  • @davidklausen1316

    @davidklausen1316

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderBromley I see how this phrasing is a bit confusing. In this case I mean short femur and torso compared to the arms. Or compared to "average" segment lengths. I should maybe have phrased it as: shorter than average torso and femur, and longer than average arms.

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ok, so 'Short torso and femur' compared to the average lengths really means someone with proportional limbs who is just short. I agree with your point (and I mention it in the video) that arm length relative to height is the biggest indicator. You are neglecting the importance of two things: A.) how the lifters ability to brace the spine scales with general strength gains B.) how difficult it is to start from a lower squat position. If anyone plays with the tool you linked to, they will find that lowering the hip moment by shortening the femurs drops the lifter into a squat, like a 'clean deadlift', which is an extraordinarily weak starting position (improved hip moment or not). It's the main reason Oly lifters are poor deadlifters; not from lack of strength but from all of their technical practice being in a position that is great for setting up for a clean but poor for moving the most weight. A torso that is proportionately longer is much harder to brace which takes A LOT of time and effort to correct. When lifters dig themselves into this hole, it almost always results in letting shitty deadlifts pass until it becomes unsustainable, either with limited growth or injury. You say woolam would be better off with a longer relative torso, but the extra few inches in torso height would dramatically change his ability to absorb force, especially as hard as he pulls. The more compact the torso, the more violent the pull can be and the easier recovery is.

  • @davidklausen1316

    @davidklausen1316

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for responding. "A torso that is proportionately longer is much harder to brace" I agree 100% with this. "You say woolam would be better off with a longer relative torso, but the extra few inches in torso height would dramatically change his ability to absorb force". I did not say that woolam would benefit from a longer torso. I said the exact opposite. A longer torso in absolute terms (keeping all other segment lengths the same) gives everyone worse deadlift mechanics. I wrote " if we increased Cailers torso/femur ratio by lenghtening his torso, and keeping everything else the same, it would make his mechanics a lot worse.". Increasing his torso/femur ratio would only beneficial if we did it by shortening his femurs, not by lengthening his torso. If you're changing the torso/femur ratio by only changing the absolute length of one body segment, there are four ways of doing it: 1 Increasing the (torso/femur) ratio by lengthening the torso. This increases the hip moment arm and worsens deadlift mechanics. 2 Increasing the (torso/femur) ratio by shortening the femurs. This lowers the hip moment arm and improves deadlift mechanics. 3 Reducing the (torso/femur) ratio by shortening the torso. This lowers the hip moment arm and improves mechanics. 4 Reducing the (torso/femur) ratio by lengthening the femurs. This increases the hip moment arm and worsens mechanics. Or to say it simpler: Shorter spine good. Longer spine bad. Shorter legs good. Longer legs bad. In general: if you change the torso/femur ratio in either direction by increasing the absolute length of one of those two segments, either femur or torso, it worsens deadlift mechanics. And opposite: if you change the torso/femur ratio in either direction by shortening the absolute length of one of those segments, it improves mechanics. In other words, the torso/femur ratio doesn't matter that much. What matters is that you have long arms and short segments everywhere else. to your point A: I'm not sure what your point is about how bracing ability scales in relation to general strength since you didn't make it explicit, so I'm gonna take a guess. Are you saying that spinal bracing ability does not proportionally increase as well as things like hip extension as people approach higher levels of strength, and that strong deadlifters are more limited by their ability to brace their spine against the load while weaker lifters are limited more by their hip extension? to your point B: I agree completely that dropping the hips below the knees makes the deadlift a lot harder. The model I linked to absolutely makes it look like shortening the femurs a lot will put people in a squat-like start position with the hips way below the knees. It's a bit of an artefact. If you shorten the tibia at the same rate as you shorten the femur, this tendency goes away. In reality, one never sees someone with short femurs and long tibias, or long femurs and short tibias. They're either both short or both long. For the sake of accuracy I can gladly change my phrasing from talking about torso/femur ratio to torso/leg ratio, as it would be more consistent with how proportions actually vary. I agree with your point about dropping the hips too far, but I stand with my initial claim that shortening Cailers femurs would improve his deadlift mechanics. I think we could shorten his femurs probably 5-10 cm and it would beneficially shorten his hip moment arm but still not drop him into enough of a squat to put him in a weak starting position, because his hips are so high above his knees already. If we gave him midget femurs on top of his current tibias however, yeah that might fuck him up.

  • @thehiatusprt
    @thehiatusprt3 жыл бұрын

    I have long legs and short arms lmao..

  • @musashimiyamoto8998
    @musashimiyamoto89982 жыл бұрын

    Ah the low camera angle so you look taller huh 😂😂

  • @AlexanderBromley

    @AlexanderBromley

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was actually so I look less fat, but either way, you caught me

  • @musashimiyamoto8998

    @musashimiyamoto8998

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AlexanderBromley oh i do the same except for my height hahaha

  • @5.7hemi79
    @5.7hemi792 жыл бұрын

    Poverty deadlift 🙋‍♂️

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