I ate way too much in Philly. Subscribe or I'll cry. Also, please give Dan Bell some love and tell him I sent you. Here's his incredible Gallery at Market East video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/noKKtq9vpqiaYtI.html

@BlueEyes7452

Жыл бұрын

Dan Bell’s Gallery at Market East video is one of my all time favorites. So excited that you covered this mall as well so we can see the progression since 2015. Love seeing footage from two dead mall greats in one video!

@sal

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueEyes7452 I love Dan. He's one of my favorite people in the world and I'm grateful to be part of his world. Thanks for watching!!!

@roseprevost8081

Жыл бұрын

But I'm already subbed. Can I do it twice? :)

@horbagger19

Жыл бұрын

Dan Bell is a legend

@ItsaRomethingeveryday

Жыл бұрын

As a food reviewer I think you would nail it as a reviewer also, 😆that food made me so hungry lol

Reading terminal closed as a rail station in 1984, replaced by the Market East station. Except for the market on the ground level, Reading Terminal was vacant for a decade before being turned into the convention center in the late 1990's.

Sal, your food segment made me ravenous. The problem being I'm 1,800 miles from Philly so if it it's "food to travel for," I'd better get packing. You're giving Fieri a run for his money. Outstanding work Sir!

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Was a blast to produce

Sal, I'm genuinely dumbfounded as to why you don't even have 100k subscribers yet! Your content is outstanding, and you put in a TREMENDOUS amount of effort with your narrations explaining the history of every place that you feature on your channel. Other dead mall channels just simply film and don't explain anything. I like that your channel isn't just an "urban exploring" channel and it's more like a documentary. 👍 Keep up the stellar vids man, your work is GREATLY appreciated and admired!

@bethbosheers8096

Жыл бұрын

Agreed😎👍

A new dead mall video drops….yay. Content for me while I wait for my next physical therapy session at the rehab clinic. You’re the man, Sal.

I forgot about that "Where's the beef" commercial. Still funny after all these years. Glad you and Dan were able to help each other. He's such a treasure when it comes to this stuff.

Watched this one again tonight. From Philly and homesick. This was a labor of love. One of my favorite vlogs ever.

Good job nice video I don't think people realize how much time you put into making these videos and how much research you do

@sal

Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that. Thanks so much for the kind words, sir.

@jodywight3948

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate all the research that is done for the videos! Sal is so incredible and really does his homework!!! I love watching and rewatching all the exlogs😘🥰❤

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jody!

I saw Jake's DisneyQuest film a few times. I love his channel. Yesterworld and Defunctland are great, too.

Thank you for showing me what’s left of my childhood mall. I always wanted to see the renovated Gallery, but I’m now 1,200 miles away with little other reason to go back. Thank you again. And you rock for showing Reading Terminal. MAN, that takes me back. Did you visit the Italian Market on South 9th Street (9th & Washington) a mile away?

When I used to go to the Auto Show at the Convention Center (pre-Covid), I took PATCO from Lindenwold to 8th & Market, then walked through the Gallery on my way to the Reading Terminal. Loved that I could walk multiple city blocks in climate-controlled comfort. Also, in 2010, I actually ate Pat's & Geno's on the same day, within minutes of each other. Wouldn't recommend that today, but I was a younger man then. You should check out the Center City Macy's (nee John Wannamaker's), as it was the primary shooting location for the movie "Mannequin."

I'll add to the other comments that the work you do is criminally underrated. Definitely one of the best channels on KZread. You always provide such an in depth look into the history, numbers and all. It really gets my wheels turning. This is the third comment I've started. I deleted the other two drafts because they were going to turn into a another long diatribe into the void. Applicable thoughts about the subject matter, but do people even read these 1000 word essays I post in the comments...besides the bots? Literally this video gave me a great insight into why malls fail. I've got a good theory, but I need to stew on it for a few and then draft a concise opinion. I've got some ideas for the perfect mall. Anyway, thanks for the good work you do. The Library of Congress and The Smithsonian should be paying you for this shit. ;)

@sal

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to hear your theory on why malls died! Definitely a problem in the United States, elsewhere malls are doing pretty well!

Once again a piece of art with great music as I watch slicing files to 3d print an astromech droid! Great stuff!

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, Nathan!

@bajnaj73

Жыл бұрын

@@sal never been there lol, Keep it up!

The Victor Gruen-Robinson Dept Store building you noted in the video became a Kiddie City Toy Store years later. I used to beg my mom to take me in there everytime we went downtown to shop in the 80’s.

When I was in Philly 10 years ago, I ran up the Rocky steps - and then had a cheese steak at Pat's.

A couple of things: 1) a good chunk of the concourses were closed due to crime and homeless issues that were plaguing the city at the time. 2) As Jersey Mike Rail Video's stated, the Reading terminal was a major hub before its closure in 1984, replaced by Market East "Jefferson Station" with the construction of the Rail tunnel connecting the Reading and the Pennsylvania Railroad sides of the Septa system.

This makes my heart happy my hometown I’m definitely gonna watch this one for sure just like the other videos and yes I’m already subscribed

I love the video. We drove down from Trenton for the opening of the Gallery in August, 1977. BTW, the cavern portion of the convention center was the Reading railroad "deadhead" station for the trains heading north including West Trenton. Our version of the big dig was the creation of a subterranean station called Market East which was a connection to Pennsylvania Station at 30th Street allowing for trains to run through without having to get off and transfer. The Gallery and the headhouse for the Reading Terminal are used prominently in the Brian DePalma film, BLOW OUT. Strawbridge's was a wonderful store and had an excellent store restaurant on the 4th (?) floor in the older section of the building. It was called the Corinthian Room...Penny's and Primark - who would've thought!

I just saw this video October 5, and I must say you are one of my top five most favorite KZreadrs, Sal; you're a professional violinist with a full head of hair and a neatly trimmed beard, and you post many of the most informative, most researched, and most entertaining mall videos on the platform. Eat all you want!!!

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks, Lori!!

I use that mall passage on a regular basis taking Amtrak from Baltimore to Philly and transferring from 30th St station to the PATCo rapid transit line at 8th St. Before the recent crime issues, you could use the underground concourse system to go from 8th St all the way to 18th St past Suburban Station, but SEPTA just locked up all the underground areas because their police force went on strike.

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow!! That’s intense…

@PositionLight

Жыл бұрын

@@sal Less foot traffic post COVID and rising housing costs exacerbated drug use and homelessness in the concourse areas. SEPTA responded by installing chain link gates everywhere and locking off huge parts of the system at non-peak hours. People will actually get trapped between one locked door and a locked gate.

@cyrasarah

Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t there another small area of food and shops on the other side of city hall connected to that train station hub.

@jagboy69

Жыл бұрын

Crime?? nahh. Not Philly! 🙄

@richardscathouse

Жыл бұрын

True professionals ,😅😅😅

The Intro always brings the nostalgic Vibe. Fantastic!🥲

I remember my parents telling me boring old stories about how things have changed since they were kids. Now I get to tell the same boring old stories to my kids too!

The Block at Northway in the north hills of Pittsburgh is like a mini version of that fashion district. It’s trying to be chic modern but it’s cold and has too many corners and layers that make navigation confusing… if you don’t know a store was there, you would never find it

I really like the dead mall stuff and long form content is the best. the food reviews at the end are icing on the cake. I grew up somewhere with malls and now live a day drive from a real one. I never appreciated a food court until I couldn’t go to one

Sal I was born and raised in Philly! I enjoyed this video soooo much but I enjoyed you indulging in the yummy food even more :)

I love the after credits!!♥️Can you add more to future videos please??☺️🙏🏽

Well Child another Grand Venture. There was such an air of charm throughout. It would be quite an adventure to tour this behemoth shopping icon. By the way you are not an A-H-e you have to run the Rocky stairs. Just hope you didn’t do it on a full stomach. The Fella standing on his bike may have stolen the show. Myrna is a breath of fresh air in a crazy world. It’s so impressive he amount of research you put into all of your videos. Proud Mama🥰🥰

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ma ❤️

I remember that calm quiet walk-through video format. Loved it, heck those Dan Bell videos got me into this entire genre of videos in the first place. Been loving your stuff Sal, these videos are contemplative, and I keep getting drawn back to watch when I need a stress break. This one brought all that back today, thanks.

Philly resident here. Born and raised. The mall is called Philadelphia Fashion District. Which was once the Gallery. Philly closed The Gallery for many years due to crime and the homeless. When the mall was opened they cut business hours to only 6pm to prevent crime; that obviously failed. Then an investor came in and spent millions to remodel the mall. This mall actual does quite well now. The Philly 76ers are now building a new arena around the mall. It will expand across Filbert street.

Sal, at @18:20 you mentioned that many cities had their Downtown shopping districts go downhill beginning in the 70's due to suburban malls. That's very true of New Orleans as well. Although the Downtown shopping district held on for much longer. It started to decline in the late 80's and early 90's, and by the early 00's pretty much most of Downtown retail shopping was gone. I do believe they held on a lot longer than the 70's because the downtown area was a major bus hub. Most of the city bus routes ALL converged to Downtown on Canal street. If you needed to transfer to a different bus route, you would ride the bus to Canal street and get off to switch to another bus route that would go the area you were headed to. So many people who didn't have cars would still do their retail shopping downtown since they would always be downtown anyways. When the larger downtown department stores like D.H. Holmes, Maison Blanche, and Krauss all eventually closed, that was the nail in the coffin.

The entire Market East Complex reminds me of the malls in Canary Wharf London where there are many malls all linked together.

I notice the "Reading Terminal Market" logo mimics the old Reading Lines railroad logo with the yellow and green diamond.

I started watching this in the morning, I'm going to have to come back and watch it at dinner. So much visual and informational content here! You work so hard digging up the history of these places, and it does not go unnoticed. Makes me want to travel more.

Ha! Jack Klugman in the commercial! He was an epic individual.EDIT : That soft pretzel place looked fn amazing!

Liking before I watch it as Sal has NEVER disappointed.

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Your confidence is appreciated, friend. I hope not to disappoint.

I enjoyed this video so much! Thanks Sal, as always, you did an awesome job 👍👍

It looks so empty. I lived in Philly for 10 years, and also worked close to the mall, up until the late 1990's. I did a lot of shopping and eating there, especially in Strawbridge's Food Hall. I know things change, but for a big city, you'd think a mall at its location would be busier.

Another legendary mall food court was the International Food Court at Del Amo Fashion Center in Torrance, California. It was featured in movies like "Valley Girl" with Nicholas Cage and "Jackie Brown" along with several TV shows. Unfortunately, the Food Court was completely renovated and looks nothing like it used to.

The Gallery mall had a second (main?) food court in the middle of the lower level, right where that random ramp is now. It extended to the north and is now occupied by a wine bar / event space. That is what everyone would consider the "food court" as it had all the tables and such. The one up by the convention center I seem to recall had a bunch of retail in it as well.

@PositionLight

Жыл бұрын

The Main food court was super 80's with the red tile and globe lamps. It was very dim and sort of reminded me of a giant McDonnalds (as there was one). It was a legit food court, not a bunch of food stores in a certain area. So open counters that couldn't be locked up individually. Sorry I don't have photos.

@cyrasarah

Жыл бұрын

That’s how i remember this too in the mid to late 90s. The main food court was in the middle of the mall and the smaller one was at the end near market east and another much smaller one near suburban station. Last time i was in here was probably 2002 and my memory is failing me since a lot of this looks unrecognizable to me now.

@CynamynCapricorn

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct about the lower level food court being the main food court at the old Gallery. So many wonderful food memories I have from back in the day: Chick-Fil-A was there for yearssss, Original Cookie Company, McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC and many others

I was here just as the new mall was finishing up (bad timing) and am sure that Century 21 closing was another bad hiccup for them. I was intrigued after Dan's visit to the old Gallery mall before it was almost entirely demolished. Reading Market is great; very similar to Seattle's Pike Place. There's a reason my friend's convention chose to take over Reading and have attendees dance with outdoor live music, enjoy food samples all over the market, and more. It was as fun (or more) than the other time when we were in Universal Studios with included food and short theme park lines!

Love this film and thumbnail choice

I totally did not see the upload till now I was just so busy with work. Great Video as always Sal!

Every time you say one bite then proceed to take two bites lol!!!

NY NY. Million thanks. Have been afraid of crime on the streets and not visited Phila since Pre-C-V. . Even though I live in middle of NYC (and limit nights and subway travel). Glad to see there is some life there.

This is wild, I worked on the 8th floor of the Mellon Center (white building) 20 years ago. Used to get coffee at that Dunkin and eat at this little Italian place called Pagano's in the bottom floor near that clock. Each and every morning and evening made that same trek you did through the Gallery to Market East Station to/from the R5. I moved from Pa shortly after that. This brought back some serious nostalgia. Those brown bricks. And the poor ventilation and smell of all the food places along the walk. Thanks for sharing!

I always watch your videos till the end, but this one made my mouthwater!! Excellent job

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Most of the food was **so good**

Really enjoyed this one. Appreciate the food reviews 🙏 will definitely look these places up when I visit.

I remember the Robinson building as Kiddie City. Great toy store.

Sal this is one of your best productions!

It is a shame that they destroyed the charm of the old mall. Philly looks like a very lively place, I need to go one day.

Another great vid! This had a perfect GTA video game type feel with the map and walk… Metal Gear for the 8-bit folks

Sal's Perfect Meal Drink - Pineapple Smoothie (9.9) Main - Jim's Steaks Cheesesteak (9.7) Dessert - Soft Pretzel (9.6) Sal's "Only good when stoned" Meal Drink - Lemon Green Tea (0.2) Main - Chicken Steamed Bun Thing (1.7) + Spring Rolls (1.2) Dessert - Mint Chocolate Chip (8.5) Thanks as always for the awesome content brother 🏆

45:25 This is a passage underneath Market Street and over the Market-Frankford subway train line at 11th Street Station.

Good day. An excellent documentary on Philly's Ol' The Galleria area. The subway-mall combo is massive. As a historian, I wish I would visit Philly. Anyway, I loved all the scenes. I hope these historical locations survive. Thank you for an excellent documentary, and be safe out there.

I've lived in Philly My who life & I remember going to the Gallery as a kid, wit my dad.

Thank you, sall i have always wanted to visit this mall and now i can

OMG! Steak-ummms! Prime mid-Atlantic college student "fancy" food back in the 1980s!

Wait. WAIT. Sal, are you serious??? My childhood mall (which I will forever call The Gallery) which got turned into a nigh-soulless store museum is STILL dying? I moved from the metro-Philly area in 2013 when I couldn’t find work. Like the Gallery I went through renovations of a personal sort (a Bachelor’s, a decent job and a better city over 1,200 miles away). I thought that the renovations to the Gallery would sustain it longer than this…

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Yep.

So interesting - so well done

Great video on a very weird mall with a very weird history! Parts of it are EXTREMELY dead, while parts are doing just fine. There's also been issues with ~rowdy teens~ so there's currently intermittent ID checks to make sure you're old enough to go to the mall, which is actually pretty sad - malls used to be such a good teen hangout but this place just bans them now ... Fashion District is a weird incarnation but I kind of like it. Ulta and Eddie Bauer are both nice features, plus there's a bubble tea spot at street level that isn't bad (though you can also just head a block or two north and get bubble tea in Chinatown ...) Also, as a current Philly resident: I HATE the Sixers proposal, not at alllllll into it. A big part of why I hate it is because of its proximity to and threat to Chinatown. I used to live in DC and I remember how badly the intro of a big arena space screwed over Chinatown there. Philly's Chinatown is super vibrant and lively and full of fantastic businesses and I would hate to see that community get screwed over the same way DC is. DC's Chinatown area is now basically a few streetsigns and the dragon gate, with very few Chinese businesses or restaurants or residents left in the area. Very depressing. So I do not at all want to see that happen to Philly the way it did to DC ... Commenting before seeing the food reviews but I'm going to hit play again! edit: heck yeah millers' pretzels are SO good, i gotta get one this week

I do not know how you ran up those steps after all of that food but wow is all I can say lmao. I am a vegetarian so I won't be trying any cheesesteaks anytime soon but I still love your videos! Thank you for the hard work you put into them for us to enjoy😊

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Maeve! Would you try a mushroom cheesesteak? They’re delicious…no meat!

@maevemaiden

Жыл бұрын

@@sal haha I hate mushrooms lol I’m a very picky eater but i appreciate the suggestion. I love Italian food though so I would definitely be partaking at the Italian restaurant 😎😁

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Lol that’s fair! Get the vodka sauce it’s killer

@letitiajeavons6333

Жыл бұрын

There's apparently an eggplant version of the cheese steak. Or so I've heard.

Got to visit Philly back in 2016. I wish I had known the area better enough to visit some of these spots, even if some were under construction. I did get to go to the old Wanamaker Building/Macy's, which was cool.

*Mint Chocolate Chip* Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well. Loved the ride as always, keep rocking 👍

@sal

Жыл бұрын

It’s the only way to fly

I live in Society Hill, a few blocks south of Fashion District. I dont know how to help Center City but Fashion District wasn't it. It is just a giant barrier cutting off North from South.

I grew up in Philadelphia. Lived in Center City and was so glad to have a real mall there since I had no car. Moved away in 1987 and missed the declines.

I actually don't mind when you show yourself eating and reviewing food...I think it just brings another aspect to your videos Sal ! Awesome job on the video :)

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Jess!!

@QueenJane-ws6lk

Жыл бұрын

@@sal your very welcome !

I lived in Philly for 9 years-I agree Jim’s is best. I moved to NOLA in 2013 and lived there for 6 years.

@katecunningham9273

3 ай бұрын

Also, you filmed the cyclists in front of Pho 75 - first place I ever had pho 😊 Philly really was where I learned to love food, and I was so lucky to move another culinary city after that.

@sal

3 ай бұрын

@katecunningham9273 Philly is most certainly one of the most underrated food cities in the world

Cheesesteaks give me an instant pounding constant migraine that takes 2 days to go away.

@richardscathouse

Жыл бұрын

Same, but with buffalo wings 🤮🤮🤮

Pat's and Genos failed years ago when they became tourist traps. Quality is way down from the days I was working in Philly and eating there occasionally.

@sal

Жыл бұрын

They suck lol

This place is absolutely massive,Liked vid, Full view always

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rome!!!! You rock.

My go-to spot in Philly for cheesesteaks is Sonny’s in Old City although Campo’s is pretty good too.

Nice I like your videos keep it up

Used to get school clothes here in the 90s.

@italjahcorntrashroller

Жыл бұрын

Take a wLk throw kensington next.

Sal’s read on Pat’s vs Geno’s is correct. You can walk a couple blocks to Cosmi’s and get a life-changing sandwich, though.

I agree with your assessment of Genos and Pats cheese steaks. I was raised around Philly in the 50s and 60s. I had never had a cheese steaks from Genos or Pats until 2018 and I wasn't impressed at all. I could get a better one any day of the week outside of the city, where I was raised. But I love the food in the Philly area better than anywhere else in the country. I have lived all over the country from the North to South and East to West and Philly is still the best to me for food. I live near Miami, Fl.

Thoroughly enjoyed this

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks, Cassie!

@cassie6422

Жыл бұрын

@@sal also....STARVING now 🤣

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Me too!!

Was there in 1977. Went to Gimbels.

ahh, you should've also walked around the whole concourse under the city hall area too!!

John's is euphoric.

Love your stuff and love Caspro now. I'm a Baltimore guy. I'll buy you a beer in Fells one day.

So the whole thing was fantastic, but to answer a suggested question, I want hours of that food walk and talk soundscape run. Hours and hours.

okay u incorporated Reading terminal with the Fashion District , we still call it The Gallery! Reading Terminal is its own entity.

@joelashadali

Жыл бұрын

His point is they are all interconnected

Man, looking at you eating those sandwiches .. wish we had something similar to those in Sweden but closest is Subway frozen crap 🫤

Mall Lady is Back!!!

Fun fact Reading Terminal Specially Tommy DiNicxs Was On an episode of Diner, Drive-in's & Dive's With Guy Ferrari (spelled his Last Name Completely Wrong *)

Mushrooms? that's a violation

@sal

Жыл бұрын

Hell no it’s delicious

When you come back, go to Angelo's Pizzeria in South Philly and order a cheesesteak with Cooper sharp. It's a game changer! He makes all his own rolls every morning too. I'm in the minority but I think the proposal for the new 6ers stadium is an awesome idea. It will be built right next (or on top, I forget) Jefferson Station which services 12 regional rail lines. The El has a stop within a block or so and the subway is a short walk away. It wouldn't be completed for another 10 years which would make the center over 30 years old by then.

@billw4235

Жыл бұрын

Also, for anyone reading this... Never, ever waste your money on Pat's or Geno's. Even though Pat's invented the cheesesteak, they're both nothing more than tourist traps now.

@sal

Жыл бұрын

I mean yeah, you’re right. The storefronts are fun to look at, but the food compared to the others in the city sucks.

I've been here. I was there a few years before Dan was & it was on the dead side then already

I managed the Harmony Hut/Sam Goodies Record Store in the Gallery in its heyday. The mall was always busy and insanely busy on weekends. I have fond memories of running that store. I think they ruined it with the rebuild and a 76r's venue is unworkable. By the way, the underground concourse (in normal times) connects all the way west to City Hall Station and beyond.

@thiscorrosion900

Жыл бұрын

Hey Steve! I worked for three years in LI at Crazy Eddie's Carle Place store at first in the CD/record and video dept. Did you guys have to give radio and sales reports every week or monthly to the various record reps. and distributors? We did, and they would reward some of us by sending boxes of promos. WEA was particularly generous in that regard. Also MCA. Just wondering. We also had various display reps. coming every month to update displays and promo signs and posters, etc. I used to speak to some Elektra rep. sometimes and she'd give us tantalizing dirt on various artists, hehe, and romantic rumors. I used to sometimes be out in NJ in the 80s since my dad lived there, and we'd go to Willowbrook Mall and I used to hit up the Goodys or Harmony Hut there for cassettes etc. In fact I bought the Floyd album The Final Cut there on the day it came out, they had a stand up cardboard display for it of course.

@stevenkarp9031

Жыл бұрын

@@thiscorrosion900 Hi Scott. I managed stores in a bunch of malls in the Phila. area: Neshaminy, Oxford Valley, Cherry Hill, King of Prussia, Deptford and some shopping center stores. Yes, I always looked forward to record distributor representatives stopping by with free new releases (promos). I had an extensive vinyl collection. Malls were a unique cultural environment that today's generation will never really experience. I really enjoy Sal's explorations of the remnants of mall architecture and culture. Brings back memories. Nonetheless, it's a good thing I left, got a graduate degree and moved on. There are no record store chains left except FYE (around here), which really isn't a record store anymore. I moved on to a long career in Urban Planning, which kind of fits in with the issues that Sal covers. My office spent a lot of time with municipal officials trying to figure out what to do with their "dead" malls. I don't think anyone has figured it out quite yet. Around here, a lot of ex-anchor stores are being converted to medical facilities, but that is not very helpful to the chain stores within.

@thiscorrosion900

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenkarp9031 I see, wow you were all over the place out there! I sometimes guest managed Syosset CE's record dept. too to help out a manager there. Place was always fun to work at, in general. I think I was once at the Cherry Hill mall on a visit to Yardley PA years ago to visit friends. Must have been since that's the mall that everybody in PHilly or Yardley go to. Yep some of the perks of a record store gig was free promos and 12"s and all that and promo goodies. I even once met Neville of Belouis Some the Swatch guy who came into our store to do a promo thing. He was a very nice guy. Also met and sold a tape to Bobcat Golthwait!! Anyway, very sad to see the malls decline and all that. Willowbrook Mall was very nice and huge mall but I hear it's congested now and not as good. Really it was always busy and congested in the 80s.

Dang, I want a cheesesteak now.

Food looks so good you should do a food review at the end of every video

Yeah, man. Pat’s and Gino’s are posers. Tourist traps. No real Philadelphian eats that crap. But there are gobs of AMAZING authentic chesesteak shops all over the region. Every time a football game in Philly is nationally televised and they run the obligatory cameo of Pat’s anf Gino’s, I think to myself, “Why haven’t these guys ever done their homework after all of these years?” Also-Philadelphia’s concourse level is one of my favorite oft-overlooked features. It is amazing how far you can get around underground when the weather outside is frightful. Thank you for sharing it!

@sal

Жыл бұрын

FUCKING PREACH

I lived in this place damn near.

Why do the 6ers want to build at Fashion District? For starters, the company that owns the mall is in trouble, which is why they are receptive to the Sixers buying a portion of the mall. They can consolidate the stores remaining in the 2/3rds of the mall to be left behind, as well as other currently empty properties owned by the holdong company. If the Sixers arent allowed to bulld the arena, what happens to the mall, and how long do those other spaces remain empty? You mention traffic concerns with the proposed location. That's a problem at sports complex in S Philly, and leads complaints in fan experience surveys. While the Broad Street Line subway serves the complex, it's one line going in one direction, and taking it for many in the area means riding multiple transit vehicles for often well over an hour, even from some locations within the city, whereas a drive is usually much less than that. Hence, the traffic situation will never change at the complex, because they aren't going to get many more to use transit as inconvenient as it is. Having said that, roughly 2000-4000 people do take transit according to Comcast and the Sixers, but that's only 10-20% of total attendees to games. As you are aware, the Fashion District sits atop Jefferson Station as well as a Market Frankford subway station, and is with 1,000 ft of trains serving Jersey, Broad Street Ride Spur, and 5 light rail lines serving West and Southwest Philly. All of these are CLOSER to the proposed arena than the subway station at the sports complex is to any of the stadiums down there, AND one can enter the mall currently and arena in the future without having to be exposed to the elements, unlike the 5 to 10 minute walk one must make between the subway station and stadiums in S Philly, or if parking as well. Long story short, transit will be attractive to a lot more people than it is now, even to people from burbs. From many places, like Villanova, Malvern and Collingwood NJ taking transit is FASTER to 11th & Market, even before accounting for the walk from the parking garage to the arena. Speaking of parking, there are 9000 spaces within a 5 block radius of 11th & Mkt, which is about the distance of the subway station to the Sixers current arena. Only 6500 drive to events now according to Sixers, so supply currently exceeds their needs, but again more people will use transit, or just walk, as many people who go to games live or work in Center City already, or take an Uber from Center City to go to games. They are already in CC, and many will just walk. There are plenty of solutions in the works to deal with traffic, solutions that aren't really available to S Philly given how it has been built, and the team wants to work with the various neighborhoods to make sure they'll thrive with the arena down there. It would be a good project for the city, better than just building a new arena at the complex which is what the Sixers will probably do if blocked from Center City; they have already stated their intention of moving on from the Wells Fargo Arena in 2031. I look forward to them moving to Center City.

Did you find the fabled Milk-Steak?

I went to Pat's when I visited Philly the first night and I took a bite and I burnt the shit out of my tongue and couldn't taste anything for the rest of the week it was good for that 0.01 second. P.S. love the vids

I still call it "The Gallery"...

@sal

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Me too. But I’m from Baltimore so I don’t have the Philly cred to pull it off.

Hopefully not close to Kensington Ave......not familiar.....? GOOD!😳

@richardscathouse

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Don't miss the open-air drug market!

One bite...hahhhhh!

Say what you will about Philly, they have a TON of good food. And for my money, my favorite mac & cheese place is Mac Mart, but their shop is near Rittenhouse Park, so it wasn't really in the area you were visiting. Definitely not a 3.9. Also, thanks for making me miss Clover yet again. That was the best store, like the perfect combo of Walmart practicality/wide offerings with Target style. EDIT: Holy cats, this is the first I've heard about that Sixers Place plan. That's gonna be a transit NIGHTMARE if it happens.