Great video Christopher thanks for sharing 👍🏻

For the money, for me, the BSA pips it. Thanks for showing.

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

You are most welcome Henry. Thank you for your kind message.

@patthewoodboy

2 ай бұрын

if you own a R12 you would not agree .. they are sh!te

Nice work! Love a comparison vid!

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

I tried to use your advise regarding the trigger hold!

to be fair mate i think both guns did absolutely amazing at that distance 👍

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@ianwoods1384

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters Its splitting hair's time! If we look at the cost of the two rifles, that's an issue too. They are both fantastic air rifles, both deserving great praise. The difference in the groups, could be just a puff of wind.

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

@@ianwoods1384 totally agree with you!

@ianwoods1384

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters Thankyou very much!

Love your videos, I have an R12 pro I must have put 4 or 5 tins of pellets through it. It’s accuracy now is so much better than when I first got as good or maybe slightly better than my FX crown. Love the Daystate but there is so little difference between these modern guns.

There's a thousand variables to discuss here ( as far as the results go ) needless to say the first one that comes to mind is " are the pellets used in each rifle , there optimum for accuracy ? " then you could go on for hours and hours discussing and arguing the toss which is best for ?? For what ?? Accuracy ? Value for money ? ,build quality ? Aftersales assistance ? Best in the field ? Best bench rested , , Blah blah blah ... I have too say , I own both and could go on forever and a day about each .. im not though , but I will say BOTH are great rifles , and dependant on your budget .. you'll be pleased with either ... Ps .. Ive tested virtually all pellets known to man in both rifles , I know which is best in each of them , others may be different .. basically I'm not gonna squeeze the lions balls through the bars .. the cage door may be open , ( keeping it to myself as not to seem bias and annoy anyone ) ... so buy either you wont be disappointed ..

i got rid of my r10se .couldnt get on with it.bought a daystate mk4.absolutely love it

Redwolf is nearly £1000 more than the R12. Plus your Redwolf is properly run in whereas the R12 is basically still brand new. So taking those factors into account I would take the R12 over the Redwolf.

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely respect your decision here.

@jaycartwright8229

Жыл бұрын

100% agree

@adriangodley

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters I should have declared I have an R10th. So my preference might be slighy biased as I know the R10th fits me well. I have no experience of shooting a Redwolf.

@ianwoods1384

Жыл бұрын

@@adriangodley Hello Sir. From your answer and explanation, you know what you are talking about, and great respect. I suspected the Daystate would be costing a fair bit more money. In Andys Airgun Reviews, on Utube, Andy explains that the R12 performs better, produces better groupings than guns twice its price. With great respect to this gentleman from Crackshots, who very kindly reviewed both rifles, it's arguable which is best. Daystate are a phenomenal air rifle, no question about that. Though they are nearly twice the price of the R12. Those groupings in my humble opinion, didn't warrant twice the price of the other air rifle. To the working man/woman, I'd expect they'd find the BSA R12 more appealing. I'd expect the Daystate to appeal to someone with more money to spend, who has to have, arguably the best, in their eyes. They are both fantastic air rifles, I'd humbly say, with different appeal.

Now I'd love to see a R12, AA US, Hw100, Revere showdown...... Great video though, the vertical movement on the R12 might reduce as the reg settles down with use perhaps?

I'll be glad to take whichever one you like less off your hands. 😁👍🇺🇸

Nice comparison.

Great video, Chris! I'm interested in both these rifles. What about some sort of accuracy/money spent? The Red Wolf sells for about $2899 (£2421) here in the states and the R12 CLX Pro goes for about $1455 (£1215).

Good to see a head-head comparison; contender vs preferred/familiar standard. Would be good to see more of these. How much is pellet choice a factor ? Did you choose QYS knowing one, eg, the Daystate prefers them ? What is the R12's preferred choice ?

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

These are the preferences of the R12, as you can see from my previous video on the gun.

@johngregory8576

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters I did watch the R12 video but couldn't recall pellet selection 😄

What is the Airgun support pack? Your red wolf is 2 years old and fully bedded in the bsa is not. Bit of a price difference too.. on range and country £860for that much extra I would want the daystate to obliterate the bsa to justify the extra expense. Entertaining video though👍

Please do a shootout with a hft500 when you get the chance. Mine is doing 0.6cm groups at 50m with jsb 10.34 would love to see you shoot it again.

Not a true reflection on either guns true capabilities, unless the QYS pellets are the most accurate in each rifle which I doubt. A true test would be to source the most accurate pellet for each gun and then do a comparison.

@markhomer5704

Жыл бұрын

Don't doubt Dave , they are in mine .. and I've tested virtually all that's available ..

Interesting, but with another choice of pellet for the bsa would the bsa match or beat your Daystate?🤔

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Possibly.

The AA Ultimate Sporter would put them both to shame

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

No.

@markhomer5704

Жыл бұрын

Not quite , although the AAUS is a fantastic rifle ( a favourite of my Mrs ) but accuracy wise , not quite as good .. but before I get a cyber kick in the nads , its also in my top 3 to shoot ... so sublime in cocking .. dont get me wrong , you do have to get past 45mtrs to appreciate the difference in accuracy ..

More comparison films would be good 👍 and give Airgun fans more idea of the pros and cons of each rifle tested. Time will tell if BSA have sorted out the regulator and magazine issues with this latest offering 🤔 but I would not want to gamble £1200 to find out.

You ask, is the RW 1000 pounds better? of course as far as price is concerned gains per pound diminish exponentially the more you spend, to some people £1K is mere pocket money and easily disposable, in the way that the wealthy will pay ludicrous amounts for perceived exclusivity. So is it worth £1K more, to some of course it is, to others no, for me the opportunity to buy a pre owned RW for not a lot more than the cost of an R12 was an opportunity not to be missed, fortunately, like you it fits me well, and unlike some I love the feel of the trigger...thankfully we are all different

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Can't argue with the you here. The RW is still the best gun ever.

I'm not criticising but benchresting both those rifles you should get a 1 hole group even at that range more pellet testing required I think. I had R10 it absolutely love rws superfields..

You forgot about price, huge factor here. The fact it's so close but the R12 is a decent chunk cheaper says alot

If you discount the flyers Chris I give it to the bsa i like the straight down line it produced yes my nut is now firmly on the chopping block and I own neither of the brands

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Totally respect thay Martin. I guess I am perhaps a bit too invested in the RW? Still, both groups are good.... To me!

@martindunwell6099

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are excellent i couldn't do it

there should be more honest reviewers like you and a few more i trust.the others are seeking fame and freebies.

I like your videos, brings reality to us all, like us all sometimes you're on fire sometimes not so much, Air rifle choice is purely subjective and there is a lot of snobbery, i know i have spent far more than i should 🤣, then i don't smoke gamble or go to the boozer. i still say, my Daystate, Steyr and Ultimate Sporter is no more accurate than my S400 classic 👍 or my 97s come to that 🤪

@ianwoods1384

Жыл бұрын

Hello Sir. Your message made me laugh, with your funny faces, etc. I agree with all your points. Although not a golfer, for example. Some folk, come what may, just have to have the best kit, top clubs, bag etc, in their eyes. However, it's just personal choice, affordability, at the end of the day. We are lucky to be able to have the choice. Best wishes.

Try the bsa gold star pellets

I don't actually think it was a really fair contest as the top to the rifle case was in the up postition for the Red Wolf but in a down position for the BSA 🤔😉😆👍

Ugh flyers, why and how can you counter them, it is annoying and always gets me to second guessing my scope settings and end re-checking distance topping off the air regardless makes no difference, now admittedly the gun is very new to me part exed my Kral Marine 177 for this one and although I much prefer it, it is still too long on the barrel so not a true Bullpup I love it for a budget PCP 22 upping the calibre was a good move as I have been at a local boatyard ratting and these are big compared to what I am used to shooting as they are average sized in the battery hen barn. So next will be a very small in overall length Bullpup, I bought this one I have now more with my heart than my head so a big thumbs up to KRAL ARMS Puncher Knight, with Optisan scope, thank you to the lads at Crackshot Newton Abbot for hooking me up and their patience while spending my ill-gotten gains, as I have two hobbies that are not cheap so one has to sustain itself and my other hobby is a no returns ever financially so my PCP helps offset the Radio Control hobby named bottomless pit racing.

The groups for both dont look any better than id expect from an rm8, not quite as good as a tx200. Both are 4 times cheaper than a daystate, and half as much as the bsa. Having said that i still enjoy my r10 more than the rm8, even though it gets more stoppages, and its no more accurate. It just feels better in the hand. I reckon that factor is as important as anything else in rifle choice

I have a Daystate but pellets are everything

And the price difference is?

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

1000 pounds

45mtrs should be 10p size group

Red wolf all day long👍

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you.

well the daystate is twice the money as the bsa and lets be honest there wasnt nothing in it, just a case of you shooting better with a gun you have owned for 2 years and hence more familier with. you effectively paid for two R12,s just to get the same standards that shot no better than well an R12, i personally think the R12 is much better looking than your redwolf too. but that is purely subjective personal taste. im not being totally biased though i have shot and owned several daystates.

That

I'm surprised the BSA did that well as the new ones are shit

Neither that impressive compared to the two most accurate air rifles I've seen you test, the P70 and Steyr, I always find your redwolf accuracy quite disappointing for the guns price and certainly not up to the level of the aforementioned guns, same with what of seen of .177 12ftlb FX guns....overpriced for the accuracy level they give which is maybe marginally better than stuff a third to half the price

Not much different for twice the price

its only fair reviewing guns if your a good shot otherwise the pellets go everywhere

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

This comment is redundant.

@hawkslayers1

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters id be very happy to go up against you on a video to see if i can walk the walk.

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkslayers1 sure. I've spoken to the chaps at Daystate and we can arrange a day at their range. The only caveat is we will be filming the whole thing for a video about trolls. Cool?

@hawkslayers1

Жыл бұрын

@@southwestshooters im not a troll im pointing out you have to be a excellent shot to fairly review air rifles ill be very happy to compete with you on the range

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkslayers1 awesome. I obviously think you are full of shit. So, I won't be wasting my time.

Loose the cheapo plastic stand!!. You never see bench rest shooters using rubbish like that.

not using the guns best pellets is a pointless exercise and youve learnt nothing pellet test then pellet test again and repeat the exercise

your upload is all lines and cant sea anything its like and old school tuning tv thing ( may need to re upload bud

@southwestshooters

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know.... Looks okay to me.

@PiperX1X

Жыл бұрын

All is ok at this end buddy, picture perfect. Problem may be at your end.