Honestly, mad respect for the tie between Ableton and FL. Straight harmony

@Rebouz

3 жыл бұрын

that shit gives me subharmonies in the bass freqs

@gallectee6032

3 жыл бұрын

Ableton is better.

@s0ru

3 жыл бұрын

still FL GANG FL GANG

@Flairis

3 жыл бұрын

the 4 daws were living in harmony, until the FL nation attacked. Only the master of all 4 can stop them.

@unsanitizedbabywipes6154

3 жыл бұрын

@@obeseduck3861 nope they flex their professional looking bland color theme.

Asking chat not to meme? Bold strategy.

I was surprised to not even see REAPER getting placed. Personally I would rank it at an S tier, there's not a thing you can't customize in this DAW, plenty of scripts/extensions/themes. It's super lightweight and costs 60$ for a license.

@kossler

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget that you can use it as a video editor too.

@afhaxe7018

2 жыл бұрын

Buuuuut its 60 dollars for almost no workflow although those are good attributes, I'd see it in B

@kossler

2 жыл бұрын

@@afhaxe7018 What do you mean no workflow? I have used Pro Tools, Audition, FL Studio, GarageBand, and Acid, but Reaper has been my favorite by far. You're only paying $60 for a fully customizable DAW. The customization community is huge and widely supported by Cockos. and you get a lightweight video editor. I can count on my hand how many times Reaper has crashed in last two years from daily use. I can't say that about many other DAWs.

@ryc796

2 жыл бұрын

@ポンズ隊長Noダダダンジョン Exactly, Reaper is so stable. It only crashed once for me (I'm taking the blame.). I had about 30 instances of Vital running. So it was less of a crash and just my cpu being unable to handle that.

@hewwo3743

2 жыл бұрын

is reaper bad for beginners? I know almost nothing about using a DAW

We all know we’re all here to see the ableton/fl/logic rankings and rage over them

bro wtf where is create craft mixbleton fruity chucky cheese studio 18 ????

@welcome2bishu

3 жыл бұрын

unsubbed.

@lcoaps258

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@lcoaps258

3 жыл бұрын

Mixcraft

@agemxieicheren2193

3 жыл бұрын

In joe

"I feel like FL is more stable" HAH

@Enspav

3 жыл бұрын

It's true)

@Slai.

3 жыл бұрын

@@Enspav na shit always crashing on me 😭

@tito1463

3 жыл бұрын

@@Slai. cuz u cracked it dawg 😭

@Slai.

3 жыл бұрын

@@tito1463 the plugins but not da daw n that shit always happening when i dont even touch da plugins, labs makes it crash alot but its a free vst so idk

@rixy560

3 жыл бұрын

@@Slai. its ur computer then

I cannot believe you dissed bitwig like this. subscribed & liked.

@agemxieicheren2193

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

I dont even use Bitwig but it should def be higher, the modulation capabilities are unmatched its crazy

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

Imo Bitwig definitely should be in S tier. The modulation capabilities, ability to have unlimited no. of modulators and macros, the grid, the operators, the numerous time stretching algorithms, plugin sandboxing (impossible to crash the whole DAW if a plugin crashes), etc. It's just really flexible and is a sound design heaven for me. Bruh I dont even use 3rd party vsts anymore for production except for Valhalla Supermassive. Used to use Xfer Ott but that too, Garron made a super identical preset with stock devices so haven't used Xfer's in a while :P

@agemxieicheren2193

3 жыл бұрын

Bitwig definitely should be in S tier. [Imo] As someone who switched from FL to Bitwig last year, I say Bitwig leaves FL in the dust.

@shivbhalla

3 жыл бұрын

Bitwig is the future, it essentially improves on what ableton and FL have to offer. LOL at ableton in s tier when it still doesn’t offer something as basic as Pdc. And FL doesn’t even have basic monitoring which makes mixing a nightmare. Bitwig and cubase are leagues beyond all other daws IMO

@kwaddamage8286

3 жыл бұрын

yeh im super passionate about bitwig as my sound design/DAW laboratory. i switched from ableton a few years ago. i realize ableton vs bitwig comes down to personal preference (mostly because some ableton people havent tried bitwig yet to realize how absolutely awesome it is), but cmon. they are so much alike how could 1 be 2 tiers under the other?

@kwaddamage8286

3 жыл бұрын

@@nebroskitheraut6705 not to mention the ability for me to use a DC coupled interface in my eurorack modular and literally incorporate signals from the DAW straight to modular.

idc what daw anyone uses. some people pay full price for kontakt libraries and still make shit tracks. it's not the daw

Damn, no love for Reaper :(

@GoldFellaTim

3 жыл бұрын

@Alexey Ralkov really depends what part of the forums you are in

@starstarstar2769

3 жыл бұрын

camellia uses reaper as do a good portion of bemani artist. idk every community has bad apples and a lot of times it’s a vocal minority kind of deal. sorry your experience wasn’t a very positive one 👍

@GoldFellaTim

2 жыл бұрын

@Alexey Ralkov honestly yeah. Reaper low-key has a cancer community. I love it so much though.

REAPER is S tier - for mixing purposes at least. Havent made any music on it yet

@StevenSmethurst

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant for producing too

@smallfry7304

3 жыл бұрын

its basically free too

@blueman912

2 жыл бұрын

Used it for Years before switching to Cubase exclusively. Absolutely S tier.

Audacity loses points for collecting personal data

@Amplifimusic

3 жыл бұрын

just use tenacity, it's a fork without the telemetry

@MNNIC555

3 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure everything on your phone collects personal data anyways

@tzetzo_tzetzov

3 жыл бұрын

@@MNNIC555 No shit sherlock. They are not gaining points either.

@MNNIC555

3 жыл бұрын

@@tzetzo_tzetzov I’m just saying if Your data is already being stolen I don’t see a problem in the more companies stealing it

@tzetzo_tzetzov

3 жыл бұрын

@@MNNIC555 Cringe

Been using reason since I started producing. With vst support it's actually a really solid program. The fact that it's also laid out on a irl-type instrument rack makes it quite intuitive. S tier. Don't @ me

@cyrusehambaram3195

Жыл бұрын

@you

Use me as an "All hail Reaper" button.

@cornsyrup123

2 жыл бұрын

is that moist critikal

@goldenpie6

Жыл бұрын

My main daw all hail

@ArexSant

Жыл бұрын

@@cornsyrup123 yeah (with Moist voice)

@xxagentlepsychoxx5891

6 ай бұрын

Yeah what about reaper

Studio One rocks🔥 one of the best DAW out their.

@Notellu

3 жыл бұрын

Damn Right it is

@snormax7691

3 жыл бұрын

FOR REAL, people sleep on Studio One hard

@reisaki18

2 жыл бұрын

you need high end computer though

@meulisesulisesulises

Жыл бұрын

@@reisaki18 Wrong, its Dropout Protection function is one of the best out there and I've got like 90 MIDI + Audio tracks running on a 2017 MacBook Air on S1 going fairly smooth.

@lootria

2 ай бұрын

ive tried studio one after reaper because we use it at uni. idk what it is about it but i just cannot get behind it, ive found ableton much better and easier to use (and switch to). i just dont vibe with it much for some reason

i better see free music maker 2021 working at the top

Cakewalk is like low A tier since it's pretty bare bones. It's confusing as hell at first with it's super wonky workflow but once you get used to it It's actually pretty fast and easy to use. I especially like how quick it is to add and remove tracks

Ableton is literally that 16 track model

@dubbynelson

3 жыл бұрын

8 track* but yes

@edumw4163

3 жыл бұрын

@@dubbynelson Even worse

@robinkehr1160

2 жыл бұрын

@@dubbynelson its 8 for the Lite version that comes with every second audio interface and midi controller out there, but there is also a 16 track version, so yeah it makes even less sense.

Miss LMMS, god tier

I feel like this channel is going to explode over the next year or so. Love the content!

@rorz999

Жыл бұрын

He talks a mile a minute, the channel isn't going anywhere unless he sorts that out

Bitwig is essentially Ableton, but stable and more forward thinking. It also CAN'T crash due to plugin sandboxing.

Probably not ranked reaper because it would be higher than S

You've done Bitwig dirty.

Its honestly like fl or ableton are the same but whichever you stick with is your preference. For me it happens to be FL and ableton seems alien to me. Several friends of mine are the opposite. RIP

@Jonksss

2 жыл бұрын

Haha true, I tried using ableton but the ui was so weird to me and I quit after like a week. Same could be said for fl but it feels more natural and intuitive for some reason.

@bassinblue

Жыл бұрын

You really don't know what you're talking about to say FL and Ableton are the same. They are absolutely not.

Yeah, you can add a bunch of vsts to garageband. I currently produce in it, and it have some pretty nice plugins installed. I would consider it a mid A tier.

@Amplifimusic

3 жыл бұрын

joji makes all his stuff in garageband so it's definitely pretty good

@giddycadet

2 жыл бұрын

You can add VSTs to garageband, but the way you actually use them once they're installed is dreadful. Apple's own samplers and synth presets n shit get their own big panel on the left, but selecting vital or something you gotta find this weird tiny dropdown menu

@ShepherdXVII

2 жыл бұрын

@@giddycadet It’s the same in logic too unfortunately

@Jcjenxnc

2 жыл бұрын

I recently upgraded to Logic from GB, and after about a weekish, I was used to Logic. It’s probably the smoothest transition between DAWs you’ll get

@ShepherdXVII

2 жыл бұрын

@@JcjenxncDefinitely! Im trying out the trial, and it is literally so easy to switch!

It hurt me when he said Bitwig is bad for collabs, it’s the only DAW that can import both FL and Ableton projects. Also it’s even better in automation than Ableton is

Been trying Studio One lately and I'm really liking it, feels like Cubase with a more intuitive workflow

@rezilentndn110

3 жыл бұрын

I love Studio One! Been using it for almost 2 years. Its great!

@Figurebutgaming

2 жыл бұрын

I also use studio one, I've been using it for 2 years and everything about it is great so far! I'm literally still learning new shit like everytime I open the software lmao

@Skrenja

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good DAW but the built in sounds and plugins were ass when I last tried it.

@NashvilleDave

Жыл бұрын

switched to Studio One from Pro Tools last year, have not looked back for even a second. I work so much faster and everything just seems easier

@drductape

Жыл бұрын

studio one gotta be the most underrated daw, incredibly intuitive and powerful

Didn't even rank Reaper, knew it would go above Ableton and FL. lol

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

But that plugin GUI tho.....haha

ACID Pro: "am i a joke to you lol?"

@claytonlevibrown

3 жыл бұрын

ACID is lost to that Magix world, and magix is not good.

cool stuff ive been using fl for 7 years and im nowhere near where you are but still grinding lol

One thing i like about Ableton, that has nothing to do with Ableton is that they have a tab with learning music on the website. shit helped me out so much.

Ableton vs Fl Studio: On Ableton you have neat automations that cannot be confused with midi or sample, then each sound / instrument automatically goes into a mixer channel, you can create groups of groups and you can do it much faster. Even only for these 3 reasons I prefer Ableton to Fl Studio, but there would be others.

@ravirana2001

3 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck fl automations have great features bro check them out yeah there is little more clicks then abelton. I m fl user for it's piano roll and different window abelton and it's mixing things is too small.

Been an ableton user for many years. I have recently out grown it’s capabilities as a sequencer and audio editor. I have demoed all the big boys and Cubase is by far the best sequencer for musical expression and quality sound.

Reason is actually pretty sick, I know not many ppl use it because it's hard to use.

Bruh Bitwig shits on everybody lose lmao. You can import ableton and fl projects now

I started out in FL, but later switched to ableton. The workflow in ableton just makes more sense to me. I dont really know how to explain it.

Bitwig is amazing, so many nice workflow features. Use it since 2 years and would never go Back to Live

@frankenfrank9553

2 жыл бұрын

it is better than live :-D but it's a biased list so it's fine.

Reaper definitely S-tier

Logic is 100% S-tier.

As someone who's produced entirely using Reason for 6 years and counting I'm glad it didn't end up in B tier lol But yeah, Reason 11's got VST2 support (with VST3 hopefully coming when 12 drops), dark mode, and a significantly less clunky interface than, say, 7. It's the only DAW that's really clicked with me. The famous modular rack is even available as a VST plugin too--they phased ReWire out, further reducing clunkiness.

reaper straight to sss+ tier

@Sendwin

3 жыл бұрын

Sad he missed it

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO RATE REAPER :(

I really like studio one, bc it has way more functions than ableton

@sylasas4647

3 жыл бұрын

studio one is really easy and way more features than ableton, even with some stupid things

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

Welllll as an ex-Studio One user (using Bitwig now but that's besides the point) you are kinda wrong. Studio One does not even have a proper macro knob which you can even decide how much modulation it's gonna do. What you get is a shortcut knob on a panel. There's not even a proper LFO, no M4L, and the workflow is VERY clunky (to me atleast). Even if you use shortcuts it's kinda tiresome to get from a plugin to another plugin in the same chain. In Bitwig or Ableton everything is laid out in a horizontal manner, which means no extra clicking or pressing keyboard shortcuts. There's way more cons with S1 that I won't mention here. But hey, if you really like it use it.

@maximilianschaffler9981

3 жыл бұрын

@@nebroskitheraut6705 Huh i think im not a pro user because i dont know what any of this means xD I mean all my knobs of my S49 work perfectly in my plugins, and Lfo modulation in automation is very easy to do, if a bit unconventional. Maybe i dont get it, but i nearly dont use any shortcuts, and thats why im finding ableton very missing of features.

@HP-hu8rw

3 жыл бұрын

Studio One is the best one these days cuz it was developed by PreSonus which is a really great audio creative company like avid. They know wts the sound and wt it should be. And also they developing it's so fast and fastest growing daw of this year. And also even better than Cubase when it comes to electronic music composing. It's a daw for music composers and producers who follows vibes with actual music. It's not a daw for dubstep or hardstyle and that's the reason why beginner producers choose Ableton over Studio one cuz they are focusing wts on trending this generation and not trying to create something unique with actual emotions using music. When you go to download pro tools which is industry standard, you'll Studio One with Cubase in their site bcoz they all are developed by industry standard company developers. Studio One is definitely the DAW of next generation.

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

@@HP-hu8rw studio one has many shortcomings unfortunately, when compared to the other like Bitwig and Ableton. Please read my comment above.

Bitwig def s tier for me. Besides all the features like modulators, macros, plugin sandboxing, etc the workflow is just super fast. The pop up browser just makes finding and loading vsts super quick. Hit t then b, type in the first few letters of your vst, down enter and you loaded your vst. Takes 3x as long in every other daw I tried and this alone makes me unable to use other daws. Then you have your session/grid view which is like ableton and helps with putting down ideas and making loops but with bitwig, unlike ableton, you can use it simultaneously with the timeline to turn the loops into full songs. The built in effect presets are also really good, they're literally vsts because of the ability to chain and create macros. I could go on and on.

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. People really be sleeping on bitwig

You can't add VSTS in Garageband, Only Audio Units are supported. If you have a VST wrapper however, you can add vsts.

i tried using some of the other DAWs but i couldn't figure out how to set the control surfaces

someone mentioned OpenMPT in the chat. mad props to bisc87.

I spent an afternoon trying to get reaper just to play a note from my midi keyboard. And I already know how to use FL Studio and Ableton pretty well. Vertical cliff of an initial learning curve lol.

@giddycadet

2 жыл бұрын

I think in older versions of Reaper you had to put an instance of reacontrolmidi on every track that used midi sequencing. maybe it was just me being stupid. but i remember one update i found out you didn't have to anymore and i almost shit

Ranking DAWs by colors haha S tier informative content

Bitwig Studios 3 is fucking awesome. The interface is incredible and I've never had any bug issues.

The serum take for the 16 tracks is so true lol

F cubase I tried to use that cause my romper came with it and after 45 minutes I still didn’t have midi working, the menus are a mess

Gonna make riddim in Audacity for the lolz

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

Audakitty gang

U didnt even placed reaper in any tier because u don't know the power of reaper.it is highly customisable than any other daw in the market and I think reaper should be placed in s tier bcoz it's better than many daws.dont underestimate the power of reaper and don't judge it by its Ui. Reaper gang 🙌🙌🙌

Now I know that Eliminate has a talented twin brother. Love your content 😎😎😎

im glad chat brought up lmms it was my first daw

Cubase is S tier, just for being the grandpa of all those DAWs, and also looks amazing. :D

What do you guys think about PreSonus?

@sylasas4647

3 жыл бұрын

its s tier tbh

@BrOverShield

3 жыл бұрын

@@sylasas4647 Thanks!

@BrOverShield

3 жыл бұрын

@Alexey Ralkov Very interesting thanks for taking the time to reply! Appreciate it!

@ronaldkevin61

3 жыл бұрын

I have tried 4 DAWs before but Studio One is best one you can use now

@BrOverShield

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldkevin61 Very insightful, many thanks! I appreciate it!

Studio One wasnt even listed? WOW. Definitely S tier

Reaper should be S. Idc what anyone says. Love you tho

If I had known this when I was 20, I probably would’ve been a billionaire right now

@remixedcat

Жыл бұрын

The cardinal sin of EDM...

thumbnail of ableton in C tier gave me an aneurysm

My DAW journey goes like this = FL(3 month) - Ableton (2year) - And Bitwig.... I'm must say.... don't use Bitwig (I don't want people know how amazing bitwig is. Lol....)

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

They missing out. lol

@remixedcat

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Bitwig is S teir, it does everything ableton does and more but better in every way. After switching it makes ableton feel vintage

@remixedcat

Жыл бұрын

And made by ex ableton devs too

Reason is God. Ableton feels like I'm working in a fucking cubicle.

im new to music production and i use bandlabs browser daw :( is that bad

video is great! so entertaining. i use studio one but... im probably one of the few :P

No soundtrap?! whatthe heck!? lol

Ableton also has the 16 track thing

in defense of Reason - by today's standards it's out of date, but back in the day (even before VST support) Reason was hugely important for electronic music. Old school dubstep and early/pre riddim in like 2011-2012 were made in Maelstrom before VSTs came in. Reason's definitely out of date and as a Reason user I can say a lot of us are frustrated with how they've been ignoring their users lately but it has some important history in electronic music!

@trueneutral3092

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure how its out of date when it has full plugin support, a resigned and attractive gui and lots of native tools, arpeggiators, chord and midi generators and let's not forget the combinator.

@crystalcvt

2 жыл бұрын

@@trueneutral3092 i love reason! but it cannot support vst3, and the raw audio editing capabilities are many years behind

@beepst

2 жыл бұрын

I tried Reason years ago and I personally loved its limited set of tools and its closed space, as it forced you to be creative and experimental.

Logic at top 100%

@robdabxnk

3 жыл бұрын

i started with fl and everything was pretty dope. but when suddenly i downloaded logic i couldn’t look at fl anymore. it just feels so intuitive and simple to start. especially with 10.5 quick sampler update

@Martin16707

3 жыл бұрын

@@robdabxnk you like logic better than fl? I use Logic too

Ok damn, the tie between FL and Ableton really speaks for itself, haha.. We really have two of the best DAWs ever and it's just about what kinda person you are, it's either you like FL or Ableton which is really really fine cuz both have their respective ups and downs, even though I personally still think Ableton is slightly better than FL in terms of like, creativity, it provides a bit more options, but again I just hugged FL that I don't wanna leave it now.. Not to mention why go anywhere else when Porter and Madeon use it too.. But I just can't stand it when people say FL isn't that flexible or something, like, a DAW is a DAW dude, fully depends on the producer on what he does, you can make pretty much any kinda style on literally any DAW.. There's nothing in FL which lures you into making a specific type of style or genre or if it limits you from making one, just depends on you on what you use and how you use it (the sounds you use and the theory you apply on it)..

@odealianaffairs9001

3 жыл бұрын

there are 2 kinds of people in this world. people who make good music and people who blame their DAW.

@rorz999

Жыл бұрын

Bitwig is better than both combined

@cloudscape5996

Жыл бұрын

@@rorz999 will check out one day 👍

First time I've seen a daw tier list where FL isn't sht talked lmao

just left out my boy reaper, the most convenient DAW for Windows users

The best song for me, Way Up.

Where is LMMS tho

if garageband was on windows 10 i would actually use it

ableton is pretty good, annoying how it takes like a full 2 minutes to launch because of all the freezing and loading :(

you really need to give bitwig a second look and reaper is not even on your radar it seems, but it's S+ tier imo

I mean… Garageband is free, and for consumer use, so it’s S tier for its price. As a proper DAW, B tier is pretty fair. But of course, there’s EMAGIC Logic Pro, which is just like a more successful cousin of Garageband.

Our lord Camellia uses Reaper so that has to be S tier 🙏 Don't know if I saw Soundforge there but Burial essentially used that as a DAW

@jaygodara4181

2 жыл бұрын

Tristam uses reaper.

Where can i get the free sample pack xD

Hi Mr Bishu, you have miss the DAW LMMS which is a great alternative of fl studio likely to 80% similar 💯😊

Not saying you were wrong but the best part about logic is you never pay for updates.

8:57 It was the price for the Vst Arcade by Output :)

GarageBand is so underrated! Every song I have released has been made with GarageBand.

No LMMS? Ok dude, sure -.-

I forgot my laptop at home, now I'm in vacation What is the best app for Android for producing some music?

@jamb_21

3 жыл бұрын

fl studio mobile

@the747videoer

3 жыл бұрын

caustic runs on PC which is free but on android is paid and cheap. it has pretty good synths and audio editor, but the piano roll is pretty clunky and it's garbage for mixing. i used that for about two years before switching to fl studio for pc. i've never used fl studio mobile but i've heard caustic is better.

@nebroskitheraut6705

3 жыл бұрын

Caustic. My first Mobile DAW. Could try FL mobile too

reaper in the background like: "hey, fuck you, man"

0:55 apparently you can add VSTs

What about mpc beats?

anD LmMs iS MisSiNG AgAIn

good video but I wanted to now your personal ranking not a poll. Keep it up

Sounds like you should try Reason tbh, get into patching with cables and building insane combinators! (yes I'm a butthurt Reason guy)

6:09 bitwig now supports FLPs n ableton project files tho

Studio One couldn't even get in the rank lmao

The audacity to have Audacity here.

FL Studio is either the tool of total beginner amateurs, or absolute nutjob inhuman producers who overly meticulously fine-tune everything

Reason with the SSL 🔥🔥🔥

If you do one of these again, add Renoise to it. I'd be curious to see what everyone says about that damn thing. LOL

@remixedcat

Жыл бұрын

"Is a tracker not a DAW.."