If Dave Ramsey had said "leave $300 or $400 AND a gospel tract or some other form of the gospel" that would have been one thing. But for him to BLATANTLY contrast giving a tract vs money is 100% heretical and false. There is no scriptural backing for his statement

@michaelhayman2549

Жыл бұрын

Yep he’s saying that by giving money you’re giving God. It’s just another sad cheapening of God and His grace and His provision in all things. No gospel, no grace.

@RosemaryDrone-zy2eh

3 ай бұрын

I thought he showed disdain for leaving a gospel tract.

@KeepMeLord05

2 ай бұрын

That old saying, "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. But if you give him a fishing rod, you feed him for a lifetime. Giving someone the gospel feeds the soul and hopefully eternal life.

It's never a good idea to leave a $400 tip without handing it directly to the waitress. I worked at a restaurant and people stole tips all the time

@jerrymalisewski2061

Жыл бұрын

True

@mexicant777

10 ай бұрын

I worked at a restaurant too and I never got tipped, now I know why.

Love the way Dave snarls the word "tract" like it's something vile. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."

@Todd_Kuhns

2 жыл бұрын

So, Dave isn't a fan of tracts. Is that any different than a video not liking the way he gives?

@thatoneguy1299

Жыл бұрын

@@Todd_Kuhns you don’t have to like tracts but treating them as something vile when they have the core message of our faith. It’s odd

@crooked-halo

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason Ramsey spit the word "tract" out. Knowing this reason is better than _assuming_ he thinks they are "something vile," and imply the abundance of Ramsey's heart. I waited tables several years during & after college. I came to despise Sundays after church & the rude, picky, low or no-tipping Christians. The worst customers by far. I hated the tracts left on my table with little, or no, tip. That's one example. There are many more. I don't despise tracts, yet I get why some may in certain circumstances.

@shelbybronoske702

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that too!

@lorriegallardo8053

Жыл бұрын

I heard him spit out the word tract. That's so sad. It's the first thing I noticed.

Peter fixed his eyes on him and said, SILVER AND GOLD HAVE I NONE. Giving Jesus is more precious than silver or gold.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

Is that why Jesus told the rich man to sell all he had and give it to the poor? Wow Jesus didn't know what he was doing according to you.

@pmbcdirector1489

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, we all know that was more about the rich man's heart than the riches or the poor. You realize that, right?

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@pmbcdirector1489 you do realize Jesus talked about doing for the least of these. Do you not? Stop making this about finding fault where there is none. Please tell me one doctrine he broke.

@jaricarlon9968

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 of course people throw gospel tracts away and of course people are drawn to valuable things and money that just shows you where the heart is . Why are the largest churchs Joel Osteen prosperity churches and Catholic because people don't want the gospel they want entertainment they want to feel good.but that's not what scripture teaches.yes God wants to bless you Yes God cares about everything but the question is are you willing to give up everything and fallow him? God can heal you what if he doesn't are you ok if God allows you to go through cancer and die ? God can bless you with a nice house what if he doesn't are you willing to live in a trailer park or next to a dumpster and be content with what you have ? We are blessed in the United States so far.but what if God allows communism in or fascism are you willing to suffer a tortuous death if necessary for the gospel sake ? If not then we have to question our conversion and our heart are they for preaching the Gospel or are we here to make people feel good and give them whatever they want

@jaricarlon9968

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 for Richer or poor for sickness and health see it's both it's not God's will for everyone to be healthy wealthy and wise some might be called to poverty sickness and stupidity for the gospel sake. We won't understand it until heaven and it's not because of circumstances or lack of faith that's that Word of Faith movement I used to believe in because it made me feel good boy was I wrong for believing it

If the person receiving a gospel tract, repents and trusts in Christ then you have given her wealth beyond measure. Money will pass, the gospel must be preached. I agree with you.

Why not leave her 300/400 bucks and a gospel tract? 😀 the part right after “changed her net worth” felt a bit tone deaf and fell flat imo. I think Dave does great work with financially literacy. In the past few years he’s grown a bit out of touch unfortunately.

@devinmiracle7680

2 жыл бұрын

Ru ru ru ru ru ru Ruslan! I love your content brother!

@d.carpenter7519

2 жыл бұрын

Leave a personal note. Tracts often don't get read.

@nathanvarghese.

2 жыл бұрын

Hey ruslan, you’re here

@ShellyBrown68

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking! $300/400 bucks tucked inside a Gospel tract!

@mychance1120

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever I give money or gift cards .. I Always leave a gospel message.. a personal note .. leading them to Jesus.. it is Always Anonymous.. but there is never a doubt that a follower of Jesus was helping.. I want them to understand the blessings come from Jesus.. Always…

I rarely comment on KZread. But what you’re doing is great. You are speaking the truth and correcting false doctrines. There’s so many Christians who are brainwashed by false doctrine and don’t know any better. I thank God for you and for speaking the truth and teaching the correct gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The way he said "you didnt leave a tract" with such disdain on his face and in his voice was rather disturbing. Let's be real, most Christians can't just give away 3 or 400 dollars like that. Are they unable to be used by God to spread the gospel...unless they're wealthy enough to hand out 300 dollars?? Someone once said "silver and gold I have none, but what I have I give unto you". 🤔

@laverawoods9174

2 жыл бұрын

I agree---I commented on that nasty attitude about gospel tracts too.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

Yes because giving a tract is useless unless you show love. Sort of lie this so called ministry that all he does is find fault.

@Alan112573

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 So unless you give some money along with the tract, you aren't showing love? I don't understand what you're trying to say. I know plenty of ppl who hand out tracts OUT OF love for the people's souls.

@Alan112573

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 Remember the purpose of this man's site (in my opinion) is to help viewers see where false teaching is raising its head. I don't think that's out of hatred or judgmentalism, it's out of a desire to see ppl grow in their discernment so they won't be taken in by lies.

@MyRoBeRtBaKeR

2 жыл бұрын

But if they can get them to do this to strangers then how much more possible will it be to give the Church? So yeah, this Dave will go to Elevation to give this message to Elevation and when Steve visits Dave's church he will preach a similar message to get Dave's church to start giving beyond their ability! Working for each other!

I remember watching him saying this. I got sick to my stomach and was lost for words of such foolish acts.

@mattmead2623

11 ай бұрын

So much pride on Dave's part here.

You're right Colin. Why not leave a gospel tract with the 400 dollars?

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Dave is saying don't leave a tract. I think he's making the point that even something as small as $400 could make a significant impact on someone's life.

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimothyFish that sure isn’t what Dave said... IMO Dave made it sound like the money is what matters, not some insignificant tract

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@WHATSUP7049, well, here's what Dave said in that section, and I think you are taking him out of context: The fifth one: Be outrageously generous. Did you know you can give money away if you have some? Did you know that people who feed poor people people who feed starving kids are people who have money? That's where it came from it came from…people who did the stuff I was talking about. They're not evil. They're not horrible. They're not corrupt. They didn't steal. They didn't cheat. They serve the community in scale and consequently have the ability to serve the community in scale. Generosity comes from having planted corn so now I got some to share with my brothers and sisters and it's the most fun you'll ever have with money-outrageous, crazy, generosity! You got to do it. You got to do it y'all. It's…it's unbelievable what will happen. It'll turn everything loose in your life. Your creativity will go up. Your passion will go up. Your health will change when you start letting money flow through you, instead of to you. It changes everything in your life, but it is a mathematical requirement that for money to flow through you, you have to get it to you. You got to pay the light bill first. Feed your kids because if you don't take care of your own household first, you're worse than an unbeliever. Are we following scripture here? You're not selfish. You're just broke. We've got to work on not being broke. I've been there and it's scary as crud I don't want to live like that. So we tithe. As evangelical Christians, we always tithe. It means give a tenth of our income to our local church. That's your baseline, but I want you to do some other stuff beyond that, that just is mind-blowing, just for fun. I want you to just carry some money around. Here's one for you: Let's do this and he told me to be done in about 45 minutes because that's when the holy spirit leaves so um, um and I don't want to be up here by myself so um… Thanksgiving, Easter's quicker when you get the family together and you're picking up the kids and maybe you're going down the road or two states over to go see grandma. I don't know if you're going across town or whatever we're going to grandma's house and grandma's going to make a feast y'all know what I'm talking about. Maybe not but maybe you can see the type of picture this is. This is what happens to us and so what I want you to do is I want you to load the kids up. I want you to leave 20 minutes early and I want you on the way to get off at an exit and find yourself like a Waffle House. Y'all know what Waffle House is and pull up right in front of the glass and leave the car running and tell the kids put down your screens watch God behave and I want you to go in have a cup of coffee at the front counter. At the lunch counter…y'all know what I'm talking about…your lunch account and this is thanksgiving weekend this is easter weekend you know who's working at the counter on at a Waffle House? Somebody needs a job, you know who's working at the counter at a Waffle House on easter weekend somebody needs a job bad! So I want you to have a cup of coffee. Order a cup of coffee, you probably not even gonna drink it, and before you leave, I want you to have about three or four of these Uncle Benjamin's…hundreds…slip them under the coffee cup and slip out to the car. “Hey kids! Watch God! Watch him! Here's what she'll do: she'll walk along and pick it up and her eyes…She's looking around like it's a trick because it's been so long since anything good has happened to her and God just showed up! You just changed her net worth! 100 percent of time…and even if she's not been in church in her life or even if she was there last week a hundred percent of the time…she knows to say thank you because she can smell the aroma of the Holy Spirit that you left dripping there. You didn't leave a tract she lost. You left three, 400 bucks. I want you to go out and spend three or four hundred bucks on a date night on yourself. I want you to do that too. I want you to have fun with money but I dare you to have more fun than that.

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimothyFish what did you do copy the transcript. I heard exactly what he said (from his own mouth).What Dave said is contrary to Gods word. Just leaving vast amounts of money on a table doesn’t bring people to God. Im sure they are very happy but ONLY the gospel has the power to save. What Dave said is ridiculous. the fact that you cannot see that is very scary for you. Where in the Bible does it ever say that the Holy Spirit is dripping on money, well I will tell you nowhere. I can tell from what you have written you are biblically illiterate and have little to know discernment. Discernment is a gift from the Holy Spirit and it is sharpened by reading the word of God, and that is exactly what you need to do.

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@WHATSUP7049, I'll agree that Dave saying, "she can smell the aroma of the Holy Spirit that you left dripping there," is really weird, but you are applying a double standard and your exegesis skills are greatly lacking. Most of the stuff you say isn't in scripture. That doesn't mean it isn't true, but it isn't in scripture. But you take issue with Dave Ramsey saying something that isn't in scripture. Beyond that, instead of figuring out what Dave was trying to get across, you are picking out certain statements and taking issue with them. Which is why I took the time to pull the transcript from KZread. He said a lot more than the stuff you are taking issue with and if you put the things you are taking issue with in the broader context, they don't mean what you are implying that they mean.

This reminds me some of the 10 Lepers (Luke 17:11-17) that were healed and only 1 came back (the Samaritan) to thank Jesus. If only 1 came back after being healed of leprosy, there is no guarantee $300-$400 will make someone glorify Jesus. It’s a valid point to make, Colin because he is glorifying money with/without knowing it.

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

@Spartan 300 yeah, it was hard to watch when it's so obviously wrong....especially when we know the love of money is the root of all evil. I really don't understand how Dave didn't see this himself as he was preparing for this. It's really sad.

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

@Spartan 300 I have no doubts many of them are blinded by their paychecks. Furtick is probably stumbling around his mansion as we speak because of it lol.

All the scripture you used is on point! It’s amazing how the Bible is so alive and is always helpful for discernment

Many years ago I was a busboy, I remember people leaving only a gospel tract that looked like money, the waitress would be furious and the people leaving the tract came across as bad witnesses and cheap. Better advice would be to eat in the restaurant, make sure you reflect Christ in your interaction with your server and your behavior at your table, leave a better then average tip and if you do leave a tract make sure your tip is much more then better average.

@Laptops1781

2 жыл бұрын

I remember these tracts. My church used to have them years and years ago. To me they're super tacky. Just leave a nice tap and regular tract if you feel compelled.

@gloriaartist1

2 жыл бұрын

I never use the "money tract" It's misleading in the appearance that it looks like real money. And it does anger more servers than it helps I personally believe. I use a "Somebody loves you" tract from Chick Tracts with a generous tip (usually 25-30 percent ) of the bill. I can't always afford it but it's not my money to begin with. it's the Lords.

@caroleimani9754

2 жыл бұрын

@@Laptops1781 tip.

@walteryoung2025

2 жыл бұрын

I worked in the restaurant industry for several years, I remember seeing this exact same thing. Many of them would say " so he cares enough about me for my soul but not enough to help me feed my kids ". If you're going to leave a gospel tract that's fantastic, but leave it with a tip not in lieu of one.

@caroleimani9754

2 жыл бұрын

@The Barefoot Kid Who makes "2 to 3" dollars an hour? I've never heard of that!! You must live in Appalachia.......

I once read "what good is it to cloth a man today that's going to hell tomorrow" Friends share the gospel, "if we want to change the world, we need to change hearts and if we want to change hearts, WE NEED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL, THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

@laverawoods9174

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!!

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

The Bible seems to push for both. The book of James says to love in words and deeds. We can’t just wish someone well when we have the means to physically help them. It undermines the gospel to share Christ but not clothe our neighbor if/when we’re able.

Always said, if it’s a ministry why charge so much? He got out of debt and got rich by “selling” a ministry.

@tomroyal6167

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t have to buy. His financial peace program has helped a lot of people.

@ValerieJean757

2 жыл бұрын

2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition

@longpathtopar.7473

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomroyal6167 Yes it has but has also made him stinking rich. I have no problem with someone being an entrepreneur and succeeding, that’s capitalism. I have a problem with getting rich ooff people struggling and saying God called you to it.

If they’re not indwelled by the Holy Spirit, they have no ability to acknowledge the God who provides for them through general grace in the first place. I don’t think leaving a $400 tip in the hopes of blessing someone is inherently bad, but if you’re not also speaking the gospel in order that they may hear it, you’re just practicing the prosperity gospel. I love how complete and thoughtful your argument is, Colin. Another wonderful upload.

@stoonley4

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said, sir

@robertj5208

2 жыл бұрын

Right on brother!!

@longstreet2740

2 жыл бұрын

If one gives a tract, give hefty gratuity

@d.carpenter7519

2 жыл бұрын

I thanked God long before I was a Christian despite what Calvinists think.

@pawlygon929

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.carpenter7519 I was born again 5 months ago…there’s many “god’s”…and if we didn’t know Jesus as Lord…we thanked the wrong “god”…the image of a false one we made up in our mind, rather than the true One God. Blessings brother 🙏 “Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son.”

What is heartbreaking to me is seeing all those people who are part of Steven Furtick’s “church”. 😢😢😢

@omgsaintchris

2 жыл бұрын

I know right… I wonder if any of them are actually saved

@louettesommers8594

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgsaintchris that’s exactly my thought. Of course I would venture to guess that many people who are in good churches aren’t yet saved. That’s also very sad. I pray they come to the saving grace of God. Time is running by quickly.

@omgsaintchris

2 жыл бұрын

@@louettesommers8594 Yeah that’s your thought alone.. I was actually being sarcastic.. I have a very strong disliking for so called believers who think that God is not big enough to save someone even in the most preposterous of ways. To believe that all of the people who gather at that house of worship week after week, may not even be saved, is crazy to say the least. “Christians” like you give Christ and God a bad rep.. God is well able to save. Even if you disagree with the manner by which He chooses to go about doing so. Elevation Church as an organization belongs to God. Elevation Church as apart of the universal church (body of believers) belongs to God. Oh and I have news for you…They are all already saved. THAT is what the finished work of the cross is. Christ has (past tense) redeemed us from the curse of the law of sin and death. Some of us are awake to this glorious and marvelous reality and some are still asleep to it! But regardless of which side of the equation any one person may be, they are ALL already saved by Christ-saved and safe with God!

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@louettesommers8594 I’m with you I have serious doubts of ones salvation when they are unable to discern the true gospel

@taaron5595

Жыл бұрын

What’s very telling is that he was given a platform at Elevation and didn’t use it to preach the true Gospel. He’s as lost as they are, trusting in his financial success to save him and thinks he can save others with it, as well.

I don't think the words "aroma", "dripping" and "Holy Spirit" should ever be used together.

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

Im still baffled at how cringeworthy language like this gets so popular.

@mengoinggodsway9024

2 жыл бұрын

@@Window4503 They are sensual, they like anything that can be associated with their decadence. One can only assume the other things a living being "drips".

This very much makes me sad. My wife and have volunteered for Dave Ramsey book tours. We have met and like him. Two things about this are bothersome: one is he is obviously not being completely honest about the reaction. Two is how offensive his put down of track was. Most people are too shy to preach on a street corner or anywhere; however, they want to do their part to spread the gospel. The track is their way to do it. Dave, people slip at various ages and you’ve reached yours- time to put down the microphone.

Dave is a finance guy, but I'm concerned about him not preaching pure and unadulterated gospel at the Elevation church.

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

I’m concerned he’s at Elevation church period.

@BenjHouston

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffKaste he seems to fit in

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenjHouston lol touche

@TheJpep2424

2 жыл бұрын

If he preached the gospel he wouldnt be allowed to speak at Elevation. The fact that He was ok speaking there tells you all you need to know about his theology. He's a good financial advisor but has zero spiritual discernment.

@ddawson8069

2 жыл бұрын

When you hang around a heretical preacher what can you expect? If Ramsey were "walking the walk" he would not get near an Elevation confab; notice i did not say "church." When you leave out God's Law and only preach warm and fuzzies it is not pleasing to the Almighty.

I will say that leaving a gospel tract in lieu of a decent tip is not going to be effective. The tract will be thrown away and your waiter will be angry. Better to leave both!

@laylascott6096

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t be affective or in any way appropriate or Christian-like either

And of all the places to preach at, Elevation "church". Thanks Colin

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he really shouldn't do his livelihood. This is what he does for Christians and sinners.

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 well unfortunately he fit right in teaching a false gospel

I remember hearing sadly about a group of professing Christians going to Bolivia on a short-term missionary trip. These folks brought gifts to the villagers, but did not share the gospel effectively. As soon as they left, those villagers did not praise God, but they gave their glory to their local gods.

So he thinks giving a huge amount of money to a low-wage worker (and, frankly, viewing waitresses as charity cases) will create disciples? Reminds me of that joke about the guy looking for a parking spot. The man is driving around, searching and searching. He finally prays to God, pleading, "If you give me a spot, I'll quit drinking and start going to church again." Then all of a sudden he sees a spot and says, "Oh, never mind. Found one."

@technoloverish

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, yes. A low-wage worker (who's probably been preached to before) isn't going to be convinced by a random person just sharing the Gospel with them. You set a much better example as a believer if you give to those in need, rather than just sharing the Gospel

@thebiggestpanda1

Жыл бұрын

@@technoloverish Jesus fed people and then preached to them.

@datacipher

Жыл бұрын

No he doesn’t think that. What he thinks is that being very generous reflects God. At no point does he suggest she will become a disciple. Don’t be dishonest.

Disappointed to hear that from Dave Ramsey but you are absolutely correct. God bless you Colin and your ministry. You are providing a great service.

All these people talk about is money. Give me Jesus.

@belovedsoniathewriter

2 жыл бұрын

same thoughts 💯

@DrumLuv23

2 жыл бұрын

Money is not our God but it is a tool of evangelism. The more we have the more we can do to effectively preach the Kingdom. WE have Jesus and are satisfied. The world doesn't. If we can't pay their light bill when they're struggling or give to the poor then there's an area we are falling short in. We can't give what we don't have. Does that make sense?

@jwhillans

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrumLuv23 I absolutely understand that ministries need money to function. I was commenting about "preachers" who neglect the pure Word to talk about money, money, money like it's the ultimate blessing.

@DrumLuv23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwhillans Thank you for your response!

@granny58

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrumLuv23 we're supposed to take care of the household of faith first. The Apostle Paul said that those that teach that "gain is godliness" are destitute of the truth and of corrupt minds. 1 Timothy 6:8 “And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.”

I stopped following Dave Ramsey when multiple former employees of his came out and said that the work environment was completely toxic and he screamed at his employees instead of talking to them

@TVHouseHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed also recently on his podcast that he goes off on belligerent tangents, being very harsh with people about inconsequential things like using credit card points for free stuff. He calls them idiots. Hey, if you think I’m an idiot for getting a $1500 hotel stay once a year for $90, then you’re not worth listening to. I pay off the credit card every single week, and never carry a balance. It costs just $90 a year to keep the card and save huge on a much-needed vacation. I work hard, and if playing hard only costs me $90, then I think I’m doing pretty skippy.

@kevinsteele3891

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard stories that the public persona he presents is a fraud. I have read that he is greedy and does not care about anybody else and their money

@margaretharley4111

2 жыл бұрын

@@TVHouseHistorian well said I won't follow him if he's in that church with the other heretic

@godschild3887

2 жыл бұрын

I have stopped as well. I think his ego got the best of him. I don't doubt his Christianity, but I won't listen to him. I definitely don't like how he spoke this time either and am glad I don't listen to him anymore. God Bless!!

@brettmagnuson8318

2 жыл бұрын

I also suspected some things about Ramsey and his theology. He routinely uses the verse about co-signing for a friend to go into debt as a proof text for not having any debt whatsoever. There are actually good forms of debt that can be beneficial for people--who might need money to get a business started, or to purchase an investment property etc. All those forms of debt are cashflow positive debts (assuming it was a wise investment) yet Dave lumps this type of debt into that verse.

The Thai restaurant i go to has a little idol on a shelf with a drink and a some food, usually a banana or something. If I gave the owner a few hundred dollar tip, he'd probably thank that idol.

Leaving $300 does not have the power to convict one of sin and unrighteousness! However, leaving a tract containing the gospel message will most definitely cause one to see their need for the Savior!

This is a direct result of the "deeds, not creeds" approach to Christianity promoted by the seeker-friendly church model.

@TheJpep2424

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo. Made famous by Rick Warren and his purpose driven heresy. Dont reach people with the gospel, just be nice to them.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

Was Jesus focused on deeds not needs when he said sell all you have and give it to the poor? Was he a seeker friendly savior? Your pathetic

First of all, asking to leave a waitress 300 to 400 dollars? Dave must have thought he was talking to a room full of elites. Second, his tone sounded disparaging when he said "tract." Dave, tell them to leave a tract, too. Simple.

@proudrosemom

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Who has this much to leave and the way his said tract was like it was so evil. Sad

@voiceInDetroit

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up on that too. He said "tract" like it was something deplorable.

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that Dave is expecting people to follow his plan through to being millionaires. If you have more than a million dollars, you could put $400 in your yard and burn it without it making a significant impact on your finances.

@thelanguagecafe8321

2 жыл бұрын

Understandable if Dave were speaking at one of his seminars, but he was giving the sermon at a church on a Sunday morning. It goes without saying few if anyone there was following his millionaire program.

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelanguagecafe8321, regardless of the timeslot, Dave was on his book tour and selling books. Its fine to take issue with a church replacing their Sunday sermon with a guy selling books, though Southern Gospel quartets have been selling CDs on Sunday morning in churches all around the country and I haven't seen many people complain about that. Its fine to question whether Dave (or anyone else) should be at that church at all. But given that they gave him the opportunity to hawk his books and services, the only question should be whether he did so in a truthful and effective way.

Watching people react to generosity is also weird, seems like that’s part of your reward.

@christianhaynes1954

2 жыл бұрын

Yup , exactly

@danielrecommends

2 жыл бұрын

Yep its a direct contrast to Matthew 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielrecommends, that seems like what Dave is saying. You give the money. You don't make a big deal about it. But you still get a reward from doing it.

@danielrecommends

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimothyFish well he's saying sit there and watch the reaction which seems to be their reward.

@TimothyFish

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielrecommends, and you don't think that reward comes from "your Father who sees in secret?"

Love what he has taught, he overstepped here, it would go a long way if he apologized, but seeing how he runs his business, I doubt it will be a good apology

Thank you for always being honest and giving biblical analysis of the topics you discuss. I feel like a lot of people walk on eggshells in our society cuz they don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but that doesn't help anyone, people need the absolute truth.

This is a time where you need to separate the art from the artist. Dave has a lot of wisdom, but also foolishness. We should pray for him.

@omgsaintchris

2 жыл бұрын

Oh so basically you’re saying Dave is just like every other human person on planet earth..

@christiankopet5891

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgsaintchris yes... lol

@jakester5272

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He is a flawed man and we should be quick with correction and mercy like our Lord.

@omgsaintchris

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakester5272 Yeah we need to correct him because the Holy Spirit won’t! We need to help the Holy Spirit do It’s job by keeping these flawed men and women in check!

@jakester5272

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgsaintchris What do you mean? There is room for constructive criticism for his spiritual strength. God has commanded it so.

On target! You did so much better with this video than Spencer Smith did with his on the same subject. Keeping it clear and Gospel centered is the best way.

Perhaps it's just me but it seems like the closer one skates to the edge of foundational Biblical belief, the more likely it is that you will sucked into apostasy. Narrow is the way indeed

I agree with you Colin. I’ve also followed Dave throughout these years, and his financial advice is great, however, this was out of place.

Thank you for reviewing this !!! I watched it live and was repulsed. I was actually reading through Job when I saw him preaching on Elevation live feed and was just very confused. What is the blessing that he is pointing to? Himself who left the money, the money he left behind, or Jesus for blessing her through his actions? Ugh I was so disgusted by this demonstration

I respect Dave Ramsey's opinion on finances. I've never listened to him, or looked to him for doctrine, or Christianity.

@winknotes

2 жыл бұрын

This is my view as well. Most of what he publishes or says is void of doctrine, at least directly. I think I knew he's associated with Pentecostal/Charasmatic movement so theology will be suspect at best.

@jackiewheeler9202

2 жыл бұрын

That’s where he needs to keep his focus, he has no business preaching a Sunday sermon. He has no clue what he’s talking about in that regard. Not that it’s any different than a regular service at Elevation…but still.

@saribrown7156

2 жыл бұрын

His gifting is financies, and teaching others. I listestened a lot of his videos on youtube, not so much anymore. I also don’t like when he uses God’s name in vain ”of my god”.

@ReadTheBible33

2 жыл бұрын

I agree and I don't care for the guy won't say he's not a Christian or not I guess that's not up to me but I've always found his speech on God to be flimsy at best.

@winknotes

2 жыл бұрын

I guess the appropriate response would be to pray that the truth of the Gospel would convict him and lead him to repentance/salvation.

If you leave a gospel tract and not a tip then that hurts your witness. If you're going to leave a tract please tip too.

Left the Holy Spirit dripping there? 🤔

@TVHouseHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. That’s popular unbiblical charismatic jibber jabber.

Great message Colin. Keep up the great work!!

Ramsey has gone off the rails - maybe he was never on the rails, but was instead a good hustler and salesman.

@iancouser5915

2 жыл бұрын

Dave makes $500 million by telling you how you can make $1 million. You’re expected to work long, hard hours while he sits in the air conditioning for one hour a day. No thank you. Just another Joel Osteen without a huge church.

@Chey77700

2 жыл бұрын

@@iancouser5915 To be fair, Dave did the hard work to get himself where he is today. He didn’t get himself out of loads of debt by selling people a dream. He did the work and created a program explaining how other people can do it, too. All opinions aside, you can't take that away from him.

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chey77700 In a way, part of the reason it works is because he did sell people a dream. His business taps into the perpetual human desire for more money, which sells a lot more than dog biscuits. The same thing happened during the. California gold rush. The richest weren’t the miners…they were the guys selling the pickaxes.

@Chey77700

2 жыл бұрын

@@Window4503 He wasn't selling anything other than his knowledge of how to get out debt. While all you would have to do is to open your bible and get all of the financial advice you would need, people can't be bothered with that so along comes Dave Ramsey. He's not selling a get rich scheme where people end up in a worse position than where they started. If you follow his principles, it's impossible to be worse off. Spend less than you make and save for an emergency. How is that even remotely comparable to what you're describing with the gold rush?

@jsims1617

Жыл бұрын

Kristi Evans- He could teach the Nigerians.

His daughter also pushed the enneagram on her podcast. Not a ton of discernment going on here.

@shishsquared

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't enneagram a missions tool?

@conservativemama3437

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a personality test connected to occult origins and used in progressive and now a lot of “mainline” evangelical churches. I see it as a gateway to more progressive thinking.

@shishsquared

2 жыл бұрын

@@conservativemama3437 what are these connections?

@conservativemama3437

2 жыл бұрын

@@shishsquared check out Alisa Childers video with Marcia Montenegro-it will explain it fully.

@shishsquared

2 жыл бұрын

@@conservativemama3437 will do

1 Tim 6:10 (NASB) "For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." By just giving that money with that scenario that Dave Ramsey gave is the problem with that scenario the servers work got them the tip, not truly of them putting faith in God, potentially the act could pull them further from God, to be more depend on themselves.

@arthapeterson5239

2 жыл бұрын

They have to depend on themselves - all praying to God did was put them in a low-paying job.

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthapeterson5239 Say what? You’re assuming that they were praying for a higher-earning job. You’re also assuming a higher paying job is better for them. But God puts our spiritual welfare first and getting more money isn’t always a good thing. God is still providing for them through that job. I too have a low-paying job. God’s job isn’t to make us rich or happy. His primary goal is making sure we know who Christ is and have eternal life. THEN we’ll get real riches in heaven.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

According to you, Jesus shouldn't have told the rich man to sell all he had and give it to the poor. According to you Jesus just tried to lure the poor person into sin. Think before you speak. Quit being so critical of this man.

@arthapeterson5239

2 жыл бұрын

@@Window4503 God's only job is to make sure we worship him - which he does through fear. That's what he created us for. He's a narcissist.

Colin, you continue to be a voice of truth and light!!

Haha the beginning got me. He was teaching at Steven's church. Which explains this.

The doctrinal standard is too low! Well quoted!! I went to that church for 8 years and you hit the nail on the head 🔨

Whoa... That clip of Dave at Elevation was very off... I have liked Dave's work before. Could it be that when you visit churches like Elevation, you become ingrained into false teachings? You never know...

Ramsey sneered while saying "You didn't give her a tract...as if the GOSPEL in a small booklet was TRASH...and NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I would like to know how much Dave was paid by Elevation to come give a “sermon” at their church!

@arthapeterson5239

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much John MacArthur or other people are paid to come to a church and give a guest lecture. I'm betting they make a helluva lot of money for what they should be doing for free.

@bcon795

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthapeterson5239 I completely agree with you

@rickorourke4464

2 жыл бұрын

Most likely makes a ton of money selling his autographed money books etc. after the service.

@bcon795

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickorourke4464 💯

@bluetruckhos9926

2 жыл бұрын

He's probably have money invested in that church...... you do know investing in churches is a big thing nowadays..... and a easy way to hide money

Ramsey has become a more technical version of Joel Osteen when it comes to monetary issues? I guess he thinks he's much better than he deserves. Lol

@robertj5208

2 жыл бұрын

Dave should stay in his lane

Giving money is fine, but why not leave a tract along with the money? I was a waitress when I was younger (before I was born again) and I was always so angry when someone only left one of those tracts that looks like money. I could/would never do that to anyone. However I would leave one along WITH a good tip on the table. . The way Dave says "you didn't leave a tract.." sounds so hateful with the emphasis on the word "tract", it's eye opening.

@steveharris9610

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%! Please see my comment in the section.

@dawnmichelle4403

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! 💯

@cal30m1

2 жыл бұрын

You sound very discerning ma’am. A very generous tip along with a simple Gospel tract should be the true Christians method.

@bluetruckhos9926

2 жыл бұрын

, Louder for the people in the back.....👍👍👍

@darthbigred22

2 жыл бұрын

Dave's been stuck on the whole eye of the needle thing for awhile for a reason. It's true you can be rich and be Christian and I agree with Dave there. But our current ways many people make money is anti Christian. Exodus 22:25 If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest. Investment, banking, loans, etc basically all the ways the elites become the elites are because they are generating money from non work concepts like interest and it is against biblical teachings. It took a long time for that to come into being in the western world and it is not for the better.

Did you see the involuntary look of disgust given by Dave when he said “tract”? Shows which god he worships and serves!

@Nohandl448

2 жыл бұрын

Pinned it!

Probably the most distressing part of Dave's talk ,( at least to me), was his obvious disdain for gospel tracts! His voice echoed that clearly when he said " track" ( of course it's " tract" not " track". Makes me doubt if he ever gave out one even once). I noticed that immediately, and I'm glad you were faithful to point that out. It was particularly annoying to me,because I've distributed gospel tracts my whole Christian life, ( over 47 years now) .I, do highly recommend, however, that you place a generous tip inside the tract! Otherwise the response will often be something like this; " oh brother,he gave me thus stupid religious booklet instead of a tip",and it will be promptly discarded. Waitressing,is a hard ,difficult and thankless job,in many instances. Oftentimes the woman is doing that along one or two other jobs,just to make ends meet! Not to mention putting up with rude customers, something we've probably all witnessed when dining out. Christians,be as generous as you can,while at the same time leaving a good quality gospel tract!

@dawnmichelle4403

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! 💯

@IdratherbeinHobbiton

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on! I agree whole heartedly.

@Window4503

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh, I’m not a huge fan of them either, but that’s because I look at it from the perspective of someone handing me, say, a New Age or JW pamphlet. That being said, I’ve helped distribute flyers for church on the off-chance that people do care. Do gospel tracts “work”? Genuinely wondering.

@caroleimani9754

2 жыл бұрын

@@Window4503 I "got saved" when I prayed the "Sinner's Prayer" in the back of a Gospel tract. That was 54 years ago.....

@proudrosemom

2 жыл бұрын

@@caroleimani9754 me too. God used it to guide me through repentance

Sounds like something Steven Furtick would preach -- shameful!

Easy to see what truly has his heart!! 🙏🏻

By the way, that rich man walked away sad and we are left to believe that the man didn't sell what he had or follow the Lord. Blessings to those who love and honor the Lord...and try to live a life worthy of HIM. Amen.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

The fact is...Jesus never told the rich man to say or do anything other than give the money to the poor.what Dave said was spot on . Colin is a jerk and fault finder. He is unbalanced, a Pharisee . If an atheist left money, it was still a blessing from God. He uses the wicked to bless people also.

@Retiredjournalist88

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 I don't know Collin or follow his channel. Thanks for your response. Dave did help my wife and I get out of debt years ago. Have a blessed weekend. Also..let's go back and re-read what Jesus told the rich man......was it simply to give to the poor....or did Jesus tell him to sell all that he had?

@Retiredjournalist88

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 Matthew 19, 20-22 "Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, SELL what you have and GIVE to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow ME". But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions". Amen, Lord...we humbly pray for your will in our lives.

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@Retiredjournalist88 I understand what your saying, but he didn't instruct him to witness or anything either.

@lincolnlandpicker

Жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 by telling the man to "follow Him", that would then include witnessing and doing the Lord's work my friend.

When you consort with heretics you can either be faithful or fall in line. Have never been a fan of Ramsey, but he appears to be modeling his spiel after the father of all lies. And getting the praise of man (male & female.)

I have a brother in Christ who is wary of Dave. I personally have financially benefitted from his advice, because I know how to keep a budget now. But I agree with you on this stuff 100%. I'm gonna share this video with my friend and get a good conversation going. Said it better than I could! Thanks! Also, I think I commented this before, but you are the channel that finally made me take a leap of faith and start my own ministry channel. Thanks for that too!

@taaron5595

Жыл бұрын

The issue with Dave is that he makes his financial advice into a form of legalism, often times claiming that his principals are commands from the Bible, when they aren’t. I’ve seen people be financially crippled because they are afraid to even have any credit score because they won’t take on any form of credit. Because of this, they have unstable housing situations, unstable employment, can’t save any money because they’re paycheck to paycheck. Instead of using the credit system responsibly to build wealth, they remain in poverty, then have had to use food stamps and rely on government healthcare.

Dave Ramsey isn't a financial guru. "Spend less then you make" - Logic. That's the best financial advice you can get. And guess what, that came out of the bible.....

@countfloyd1269

2 жыл бұрын

That and he actually just copied Larry Burkett.

I do try to help the poor when I can but it far more important to provide for their spiritual need by sharing gospel to the lost. Mark 10: 45ESV For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Thank you Colin for you continue to stand on truth of God’s word.

Spencer Smith did a video on this too. Good to see you are on board with it.

I don’t see how this fits with Dave Ramsey’s money management. Some of his material is good but he is drifting away from the truth.

Dave is irresponsible with other people’s money. How many people sitting in that room listening to him are in the same financial situation as the waitress at the Waffle House? Who will give them $300-$400 to get by? Instead they’re taught that the Gospel is giving money to activate the Holy Spirit, money that they don’t have.

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

well said, Marlaina...I agree

@doubleedgedfist1535

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! $300 to Ramsey is nothing, compared to his $35 million he makes every year.

@Sgtjfast

2 жыл бұрын

Right!!!!! I was thinking the same, but this is an old life from Dave. He may be wise with his money, but stay outta pulpit!

@margaretharley4111

2 жыл бұрын

Spoken gospel all the way

@JeffKaste

2 жыл бұрын

@@doubleedgedfist1535 Ramsay makes 35 Mil a year?

As a waiter ,I had a church come in one time and said we have already tipped Jesus. I never wanted to go to that church, they were not gracious.

Dave also said it with a ting of disgust "You didnt give them a Tract" you gave them 3 or 4 hundred dollars. This to me says it all about the condition of Daves heart. Ironic that Dave who has insight about money is actually bankrupt.

Well said brother, great explanation. 👍🙏

Tracey Burroughs from South Africa 🇿🇦 watching your episode.

Colin keep standing for the truth.

Well his daughter uses the enneagram so they appear to be pretty luke warm to me.

No one does “good works”. the Holy Spirit works through you producing good works. Dave seemingly doesn’t have this concept down.

You, son, are wise beyond your years. You have truly been gifted with our Lord's discernment. I thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️ that you are doing this! Call out EVERY false teacher you can! I have watched and liked 👍 every video you've posted and will continue to look forward to hearing you speak the Truth. All the best, Joe.

Thanks for your message. People need to hear and understand.

Excellent video, keep it up !!

To be honest I think a lot of the issue is not being able to accept what "poor" is anymore. Biblical poor were starving, dying of diseases, etc. My mother grew up poor, ratty house, government aid, etc. Yet I also realize what we call "poor" in the West is not truly poor. It's usually lacking luxury goods in any sort of amount. Even our so called "homeless" are mostly just the mentally ill/drug addicts wandering around who in giving them large sums of money will not change the problems they face on any real level. A insane meth head is still a insane meth head even if we put him in a mansion, they need mental help not 500 bucks. Dave Ramsey going and giving large tips to low income workers is the exact kind of virtue signaling that created the left wing. I make 6 figures I'd still be over the moon if someone gave me 500 bucks randomly. However it doesn't mean I need it. I doubt most Waffle House employees are without a home/apartment, car, etc. So really I guess if you interpret that "helping the poor" means giving low income people nicer things that they don't need then I guess we are lousy Christians. However the poor in the Bible are literally normal people living on the streets, lepers, etc not the guy who thinks aliens abducted him and needs another bottle of booze or the single mom busing tables. I lost a lot of respect for the so called "poor" in the US because of my family. So much of their poverty wasn't really something that was worthy of some Marxian revolution. Yet there they are wanting to "Eat the rich", not because of their evil social engineering, but because my mom didn't have a new set of clothes every 6 months? It's madness. That's a lot of BLM as well, "I didn't get new Air Jordan's all the time because of white racism so we need to overthrow the system". Absolutely insane and people like Dave Ramsey aren't helping feeding into this false narrative.

@paulineholland9901

2 жыл бұрын

I so agree. I grew up in the UK after WW11. Because of all the bombing I spent my early years in a tin hut which thanks to Winston Churchill had been built anticipating the needs of returning military and homeless civilians. I had one pair of shoes, my mother sewed me two dresses for summer and worst of all I learnt to go hungry. No food in the cupboard. I live in South Africa now and if you want to see poverty come here and we will show you. Hunger, homelessness, no running water or electricity. I read the UK news as all of our family is there and it “oh how am I going to run my central heating this year”? We had a tiny coal fire that was lit at night for a little while because that was all my folks could afford. We walked to church every Sunday and we managed. People need to learn to be grateful for all they have and try helping those who have nothing especially those who don’t know Jesus.

@paul1242

2 жыл бұрын

"I doubt most Waffle House employees are without a home/apartment, car, etc." Doubting isn't the same as knowing, but you are substituting feelings for facts to make wrong judgments about people that you know absolutely nothing about. Most poor people aren't black and most black people don't care about Air Jordan's, but these are right wing stereotypes that give you a free pass to be ignorant and judgmental. "I didn't get new Air Jordan's all the time because of white racism so we need to overthrow the system". The stupidity of this manufactured quote is astounding. Also, claiming that the term "virtue signaling" created the left wing just demonstrates the appalling state of your right wing brainwashing. I'm guessing you watch Fox News and listen to right wing hate radio constantly. I'm guessing you voted for Trump and have no problem with him ripping innocent kids from their parents arms and throwing them in dog cages. I'm guessing you have no problem with Trump being accused of rape and/or sexual assault by 26 women. I'm guessing you have no problem with Trump being a pathological liar. Why are you claiming to be a Christian when nothing you've said glorifies Jesus? It's just a steady stream of right wing grievances. If you were to face Jesus right now how would you explain yourself?

Thanks for your videos, they are helpful to me! PEACE 2nd Corinthians 10-5

Spencer Smith touched on this video yesterday. I'm glad to see that the Christian apologetics community is addressing what Dave said and why his statements are wrong.

It is worth leaving gospel tracts around even if you do not know what happens after. I work in a grocery store and someone left a gospel tract on a shelf. My unbelieving co worker saw it and asked me what it was. It was one of those million dollar bill gospel tracts. That opened the door for me to explain that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead 3 days later.

Though I appreciate Dave’s teaching on personal finances and how to get out of debt, I don’t agree with his statements noted here at all. Yes, as Christians let’s be generous as possible- and if that is leaving an enormous tip, then by all means do it if it is within your means, but let no believer think a witnessing tract is of lesser value. Knowing Truth and accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior is the greatest gift we all will ever receive. Money can be a blessing to someone in need, but someone sharing Christ with an unbeliever who is hurting is priceless. Be well all - and be kind ☺️

Wow, thank you!

Giving through the. Church and the church helping people is the proper way to help a person.

Suggesting that money is superior to the word of God is disgusting 🤢

Very well said! I always appreciate your Biblical viewpoint!

Could you enable captions please.

I appreciate that you have a sound belief and it’s based on Gods Word. I have actually been more discerning since watching you. It’s been a great help to me and those I share your info with. Keep up the great work. #FIGHTFORTRUTH

Thanks for the video Colin

I would agree that the Gospel message is more important than money. Money can't save, but Christ can. But there is another side of this coin to look at. I worked as a server at a restaurant one summer to help pay the bills when I was in graduate school. There was one time when I had to serve a church group that was meeting at the restaurant. In the end they left a Gospel tract and a very small tip. As a Christian, the thought ran through my head that if I had not been a Christian I probably would have thrown the tract in the garbage and would have had nothing to do with the Church after being presented the Gospel in that manner. The moral of the story is that if you are going to share the Gospel with a server/waitress, you better leave a very generous tip. Otherwise you will undercut the Gospel message to that individual and possibly make them worse off in the end.

Look into Dave Ramsey and Narcissism, as well as company related complaints regarding Dave Ramsey.

@Webbgurl2000

2 жыл бұрын

This. Screams and threatens employees. Nuff Said.

I love that scriptures are always shown in your channel. You are a great servant of our Lord God Jesus.

There are a lot of people who will say, "thank you, God!" when something really good happens to them. It doesn't mean that they're believers or that they have suddenly become believers.

Great job, this just proves that we cannot put our hope in man. Dave’s done a lot for me financially but this is out of line. Jesus is my ultimate hero!

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

Was Jesus your hero when he told the rich man to sell all he had and give it to the poor? He didn't say to witness to them or preach to them or give them a tract. Grow up.

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 Jesus was making a point that the “rich mam” was not a “good man” he wasn’t perfect like the rich man is claiming.....it’s important to compare scripture to scripture. It wasn’t about giving all your money away. If that were the case you would find that in other places of scripture....Jesus was using hyperbole to make a point as He often did

@righteousrebelmedia5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@WHATSUP7049 if I am not mistaken...Jesus said when you do it not to the least of these, you do it not to me. Talking about helping less fortunate.

@WHATSUP7049

2 жыл бұрын

@@righteousrebelmedia5934 Yes your right it does say that.

If he is willing to not only attend but speak at Elevation "church", Biblical accuracy is likely not a high priority for him.

@DrDoerk

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair I'm pretty sure Matt chandler spoke at elevation, I don't know if it was recent or a few years ago when they weren't as far fetched though....... but yes, I totally understand what you're saying

@DrDoerk

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair I'm pretty sure Matt chandler spoke at elevation, I don't know if it was recent or a few years ago when they weren't as far fetched though....... but yes, I totally understand what you're saying

If the person doesn't know Jesus Christ, when they're tipped $400, they can thank their inner goddess, buddha, mohammad, the witchcraft spells they've been doing, or any other false god... This is a kind gesture but it is worldly kindness. It reminds me of the Scripture in Acts (and I don't have it in front of me right now) where one of the apostles doesn't give the poor man money, which is what he wanted, but instead, he freely gives the best gift that any of us can receive- Holy Spirit. Steven Furtick, may you repent and turn from this deceiving wickedness in Jesus' name. Dave Ramsey, may your discernment be increased that you would not speak at a false teacher's church.

Yes Colin, thanks so much for this. I would always thought when doing a deed, let at least say 'Jesus loves you' or something. In my country in Singapore, I see many people handing out money to elderlies selling packets of tissue on the streets. Some not even taking the packets. They could be people from different races, therefore the person receiving does not know if it comes from God or just human sympathy. But speaking of Singapore, there are 2 mega churches, City Harvest (Pastor Kong) and New Creation (Pastor Prince). Would you have any comments on them? Would be interested to hear. Thanks and God bless!

Dave is about money. Money .and more money. That's his gospel and where his heart is at.

@dawnmichelle4403

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Dave is about helping people avoid the mistakes he made with money and helping them how to figure out how to get out of debt. He fully understands the biblical concept of "the borrower is slave to the lender." It's not that he's all about money, but more that this is his area of expertise. He has helped many people escape the slavery of debt.

@electronicMI

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawnmichelle4403 wrote: "He has helped many people escape the slavery of debt." By taking payment for his books and courses via many people's credit cards.

@dawnmichelle4403

2 жыл бұрын

@@electronicMI he doesn't accept credit cards. He doesn't believe in them.

@chrislopez2125

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawnmichelle4403 I understand he's a financial planner,guru,self help type of dude BUT!! he shouldn't be allowed a pastor's platform in my opinion. He goes around to many megachurches and is allowed the pastor's spot and does his thing. This should be in a class setting or seminars not where the word of God is to be preached.

@electronicMI

2 жыл бұрын

@@dawnmichelle4403 You may want to double check that on his site.

For I'm not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Romans 1:16 Is the gospel that is sufficient and that has the power, not money. I love Dave Ramsey, but he is wrong in that.

Thank you, Colin. Once again 100% on target.

We need more Colin's out there. Good one, everyone that gets on the platform of God must be ready to give account. This was so bad I really lost a lot for Dave.