Das Pferd + Ginger Baker
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Das Pferd mit Ginger Baker und Randy Brecker 1988
Randy Brecker - Trompete
Wolfgang Schmidtke - Saxofone
Markus Wienstroer - Gitarre
Tobias Becker - Keyboards
Jan Kazda - Bass
Ginger Baker - Schlagzeug
Achim Grebien - Schlagzeug
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I had the pleasure of being GINGER BAKERS Bodyguard for one night at the Schaefer music festival in central Park. One of my friends who worked with me during the day at LORD AND TAYLOR SECURITY DEPARTMENT also worked at the Schaefer music festival.he told me to come over the night that GINGER and BUDDY MILES were playing he didn't show up and I got the Job for one night and it was a great experience. GINGER Was really nice and when he got into the limousine he looked at me and said THANKS MATE. 😮❤
@roland8578
7 ай бұрын
Ginger Baker hatte einen Bodyguard? Als ich Ginger Baker mal traf, er stand ganz alleine da.... Ich hätte ihn theoretisch umbringen können. Wo warst du denn da?😅👎
Been a Baker fan since his early days and I'm now 71. I played drums and tried to emulate his style.This is my first time seeing, hearing this awesome performance. What a player.. RIP and maybe meet soon Sir.
R.I.P. Ginger. He had such a genuine approach to drumming.
Arguably one of the greatest drummers of all time. Arguably the most likely to get into an argument with in the first place. Can't help but to forgive his short fuse. RIP Ginger!
@louismastrangelo3781
9 ай бұрын
Ginger baker sucked both as a drummer and as a human being. I’ve been playing drums a long time and I watch Baker he is the most overrated drummer of that era.
@elahem6940
8 ай бұрын
@@louismastrangelo3781 He definitely didn't "suck," but I totally agree that people who haven't been exposed to many genres beyond rock overrate him constantly.
@single55
7 ай бұрын
@@louismastrangelo3781who cares what you say.go away.
@roland8578
7 ай бұрын
Ginger Baker war natürlich nicht einer "der größten Schlagzeuger aller Zeiten". Wer das denkt, hat einfach keine Ahnung... Okay, er war natürlich kein schlechter Drummer, aber aus heutiger Sicht... Heutzutage gibt es so hervorragende Schlagzeuger... Alleine wie schnell die mit den Füssen sind. Egal ob im Metalbereich, im Jazzbereich, oder Progressiv-Bereich. Das ist nun einmal so... Aber und das gebe ich gerne zu, Virtuosität ist nicht immer alles... Da spielen auch noch andere Faktoren eine Rolle.
@golfer5636
7 ай бұрын
Not arguable, he is one of the greatest ever. Very few equally adept in Jazz as rock
What a great find, love seeing Ginger.
First time seeing this performance. Baker has always been my favorite drummer and carries this away in grand style 👍
ginger was a musician
He was trained in jazz but had such funk in rock n roll . He will be missed greatly always one of my favorites
@roberthoward9093
7 ай бұрын
Ginger (and Jack Bruce) were in the Graham Bond Organisation... this band was the catalyst for the developing jazzy/fusion/ rocky type of sounds being worked on in mid to late 60s. Cream added a bluesy side.... what a brilliant time for music !!!
@sagiriizumi8079
2 ай бұрын
He was untrained. Never took music classes etc
For those of you who don't know, his birth name was Peter Edward Baker. He was nicknamed Ginger for his red hair. 😂😅
Ginger blew me away in the solo on Blind Faith “Do What You Like”… it was my first realization of a pure drummer.. i was 13
@chikkipop
7 ай бұрын
By the time Blind Faith came around I was done with Baker. He was great in Cream, and I saw them a number of times, but what was he going to add to Blind Faith? Then I saw them live, and once again, he blew me away. Years - decades - later, I'm driving along and playing the radio, and on comes this song about a dress, and I'm ass-kicked by the powerful drums. What new band has a guy this good? It's Baker; he answered an ad in LA for a band called *"Masters of Reality."* Turn up your sound as loud as you can, and get the full force of his badassness, and the best tom-toms ever: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJmtzJV7dZq4gLw.html
My favorite drummer ever , and I play drums since when I was a child
An amazing find, never seen that before!
what a great performance! pure musical fun
Sensationell von Markus Wienstroer!
Early 70s outside the Cream Cheese bar/ club in the Dusseldorf altstadt , having a smoke (as you do) and who pulls, right next to me,.... its only Ginger Baker. He got out, had a bit of the craic for 10 minutes... real nice memory.
I love it ! Free music form
It's interesting (to me) how Baker is best known for Cream and Blind Faith, and always will be known as one of the great "rock" drummers, but spent the *bulk* of his career after the 1960s making some of the best world music, African-inspired music, and jazz. This is an excellent example.
@PutItAway101
Ай бұрын
The audience for this stuff is small though, he's always going to be better known for the more accessible rock stuff. As far as the average music fan is concerned, Ginger just disappeared after Blind Faith, because they would never listen to this stuff even if they knew it existed.
@completeMonti
Ай бұрын
@@PutItAway101 Yes, this is true. I just think it's ironic. And it's also kind of brave, it its own way, because Baker followed his muse without caring about rock star success after Cream. He didn't have as big an audience, but he played what he loved.
First time I've seen this. Ginger amazing as always.
@martinmoffitt4702
2 жыл бұрын
Me too! everyone is great here!
I like the way he adds african rythymns as well as rock and jazz
Geile Sache! Wusste gar nicht, daß es überhaupt Videos von "Das Pferd" gibt. Danke für's Posten, Jan!
@marceibel1131
7 ай бұрын
Ginger war in der Tat ein Pferdenarr😂😂 Oder besser in dem Fall:😊 Das Pferd ein Ginger- Narr😂 Gruss an Dich.
Keep watching to see if he dropped that joint. The master of the skins ginger baker....he was high as hell
This Great jamming sounds like real miles Davis stuff
Brilliant jazz fusion - and wow, Ginger Baker is primal in this. Very cool!
One of the Best, if not THE BEST. GB R.I.P.
Brilliant !!
Recorded real good Drum Solo was great
Am not crazy about jazz fusion but if Ginger Baker is the drummer then oh heck yeah! Well worth watching and hearing!
@spercoco
8 ай бұрын
That's too bad because if you are into drumming then you know Ginger is one of the top rock drummers but in the jazz and fusion world he would be about average. All his idols are jazz drummers btw.
Ginger with a J behind his ear as back up and one dangling out his gob! One of the best
@MrE1981
3 жыл бұрын
They're just rolled cigarettes.
Nice Ginger to play Drums with you. On Headphones.
Always liked gingers playing..between him..and eric and jack..they uped the anti..as far as being real players..and not the lalypop..back ground players who did all the work..they were truly tjeCREAM of the crop!! After 67..everyone devided to really learn music!! And not just fake it!!!
Ginger RULES!
Mmmmm, great!
Ginger all chill with that cigarette
Hey ! I didn't know this ! Great ! :)))))
Für mich der Beste Drummer 👏👏👏
Listen to Ginger playing with Graham Bond. There's a bond between us.
CREAM!
Wish to God I had been able to see Baker play, he gave it all but at the same time didn't give a fuck
@SAHBfan
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen him about five times? I saw him many years ago when he was so out of his face he had to be carried on the stage with a roadie under each armpit. I thought "oh no... this is going to be a car crash" - it wasn't, he played great! Years later I saw him as an old man. He was off illegal drugs, but because of his arthritic spine, he was dosed out of his head on pain killers instead! Still played great ;)
@mrmusic248
2 жыл бұрын
minuteman: I was fortunate to see him in '89 on tour w/ Jack Bruce. The first set was all Jack, new songs, plus a few Cream songs. with a different drummer. Set #2 was all old Cream music with Baker drumming his ass off. Too bad the 3rd Cream member wasn't there, eh ??
@heynow4512
9 ай бұрын
I saw that same show twice that yr.(?) At the Coach House, San Juan Caprisano, Ca. & the following month at the Ventura(Ca.) Theater. Do u recall the guitarist? An unknown youngster. Lmk. We called the band ⅔'s Cream. It was our only live experience w/ our idolized heroes. Between those 2 shows, we saw Clapton at the Pacific Amphitheater. Jack Bruce Band was the better concert. We got to see a Ginger Baker drum solo. Twice. Whoo-ya!
GINGER IS FENOMENAL !
If ,Chick Corea, or Wayne Shorter or and Yes Miles did this also. Then, the comments may change some. Thelonious Monkenstein said: "There are No wrong Notes " I've heard and seen all the Jazz Drummers as I am one also. Would rather Listen to Ginger than Gadd. any day . Yes, because I saw and Heard "Cream" up close .To this friggin day .It was one of the Best shows ,Band ,withstanding a Tsunami. Fuck.
It's like his drumming is speaking to the mountains
All that, with a butt hanging out of his mouth. The essence of cool.🥁
strange to see Randy Brecker there
Everybody wanted to be Weather Report back then.
Baker seems to have a regular double-bass config but instead of a 20 and 22 it looks like a 22 and 24!
@tonylast9181
3 жыл бұрын
20 and 22
@Gordonafloat
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonylast9181 Correct. And also on many of his kits the bass drums were extra shallow with only 11" or 12" depth.
@G60syncro
2 жыл бұрын
@@tonylast9181 But on here he does indeed look like having 22 and 24... the ten lugs on the smaller kick is the giveaway! Also the toms look like 13-14 instead of his usual 12-13 setup.
A NECKTIE! Talk about incongruity. 🤣
The greatest junkie-drummer! R.I.P. Mr. Baker
Amazing drummer and career. Smoked himself to death with cigaretts. Sad RIP
@SAHBfan
7 ай бұрын
Not sure if that is true - he lived until he was 80, not a bad age for an on and off hard drug user!
@Beniscool950
5 ай бұрын
Kinda true but I don't think he got diagnosed with COPD until his late 60's which is fucking increidble cause he chain smoked literallly for 60+ years@@SAHBfan
@Beniscool950
5 ай бұрын
Plus his degenerative osteoarthritis was from all that soda leaching calcium from his bones, smoking and all the bones he broke thorughout his life. He has broke his collar bone and most all of his rips in the past from polo! Still its amazing he didn't get anymore "more" serious@@SAHBfan
Love Ginger , Randy , the tenor and bass.Have to shut it off guitar sounds and looks like a rooster having a seizure.
✌️🤠💥🌟🌀👍
10:50
He’s stoned out of his mind
this is a Fast Show sketch right? I think Louis Balfour has been cut out.
@Unsung_Earth
Жыл бұрын
Niiiice
I don't get the appeal of Baker's playing at all, but of course it's a subjective reckoning, just like the opinions of those who like his playing. Each to his own taste.
какой это год ?
@Unsung_Earth
Жыл бұрын
88
I have to wonder at the wisdom of putting another drummer on the same stage as Ginger Baker. With an ego like his, it would seldom work well.
@jessenowells2920
3 жыл бұрын
I never seen baker not play well with other drummers. Check out his dual with blakey.
@martinmoffitt4702
2 жыл бұрын
@@jessenowells2920 or tony allen....ginger plays well with others ..he is a pro..he may not get along with everbody lol RIP Peter Edward Baker!
DRUMMER🙏
The homeless years...😂
Not a jazz musician. He is closest to Bebop if it had to be jazz, but he’s a rock drummer. Period
If you like ginger baker try ginger baker ‚s air force
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Ginger does a good job here. But there are a couple of times when he fumbles a bit, especially around the 6.20 mark. I think fell off a bit because he overdid the playing on the tom toms.
Das pferd is german for the horse
They should expose young offenders to that bet they wouldn't re offend
10:42 what you came here for
He may have been a cantankerous old fart, but boy, he could really play. RIP.
Ginger is very good but his solos tend to all be based around using the same tried and tested Afro rhythm tom pattern over and over. Not saying he doesn't play it well but i'd like to hear a wider range of patterns from him.
@WELLBRAN
3 жыл бұрын
a mix of what people expect to hear and trying new stuff ..sort of type cast...if billy cobham played this stuff people might be confused...
@Gordonafloat
3 жыл бұрын
@@WELLBRAN Billy was and is in different league which is not to say Ginger didn't bring something to the table.
@DEeMONsworld
2 жыл бұрын
as much as I admire Baker, and I do, he has one solo. But it's basically his, and a signature presentation.
@Gordonafloat
2 жыл бұрын
@@DEeMONsworld Agreed.
@jonahmartinez4298
2 жыл бұрын
come on dude. elvin jones, art blakey, and tony williams (post miles) also did the same thing...they played their signature motifs and ideas through an improvisational lens. nobody complains about them playing a "wider range of patterns". listen to the whole discography of those drummers and you will eventually recognize the same ideas played over and over and over in many renditions. it's not that they COULDN'T play more, but when you hear them play you know exactly who it is. I have never heard anybody but ginger baker play quarter notes on the left bass drum, eighth notes on the right bass drum, and mixed quarter and eighth note triplets against that to create those 4-3 and 6-4 layered polyrhythms. he treated the kit like a drum ensemble ala west african drumming.
What’s this one called? KlunkY? It’s very KlunkY, It’s like they want to be Weather Report but they couldn’t use that name so they had to name their band..... KlunkY.
One can tell the conformists in the comments. You don't get why Ginger played that way, and especially why it's important.
Apart from Mr Bakers solo this is just nonsensical noise. RIP MR Baker.
@camronbay1
3 жыл бұрын
You are deaf.
@alfching2499
3 жыл бұрын
It Used to be called Free Form.
@MeBallerman
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly - except I didn't get to Baker's solo; had to stop the horrible sounds. But I guess I didn't miss a lot, Baker's solos were never interesting. Always the same pap-pappelap-pappelappelap-papap. But he did good with Baker Gurwits Army. I like that a lot.
@user-jg9pk2yy2d
5 ай бұрын
@@MeBallermani got a lot of doubt that you are capable to write and learn music or play some instrument . Your opinion is incompetent, because this is free form music and is of an higher level of your idols justin bieber and bts. So you cant understand
@MeBallerman
5 ай бұрын
@@user-jg9pk2yy2d I'm sure it was a lot of fun to play this set, but I don't find it nice to listen to. Of course, some days are different than other days. In general, I dislike wind instruments, they get to my nerves I can't play music, only a little drums, but never had a kit, so... However; if I were a Bieber-fan, or pop-fan, I wouldn't have come to a Baker vid, would I? Is Bieber especially bad? People always make fun of him.
How can anyone who was as stoned as Baker was for most of his career be a crabby , irritating , irritable hump for most of his life ? I always thought that the weed was a peaceful and tranquil aid to calm you down ? Laugh a little ! Enjoy life and other people ....
I like Ginger Baker but where's the melody I know it's Jazz but this kind of sucks people are just playing whatever they want
@user-jg9pk2yy2d
5 ай бұрын
The melody? This is a free form music very close to free jazz. Do you find melody in free jazz? What kind of music you listen ?
Great stuff,apart from the guitar wank. R.I.P Mr B..
This is Terrible, Terrible, Terrible ! Good Music !
He's good but will never be john bohnom
@SAHBfan
7 ай бұрын
And Bonham wasn't Baker. Different guys, different styles - it isn't a championship tournament. Baker always was far more versatile than Bonham, covering far more styles and genres of music - great though Bonham was he basically played one style in one group.
Musical m@sturbation. And Ginger's playing, timing and double-bass drums are off here. At least in the first 15 minutes. I can't take any more of this wank-fest.
@mellilore
7 ай бұрын
It must be said that it takes biiiiig balls to wank that far. And that "off" imho is made on purpose, in many ways it reminds me the peculiar way he played "Sunshine of your love" with the snare and the bass drum beats not where one would expect.
@plasticweapon
6 ай бұрын
don't let it hit ya on the way out.
What a load of nonsense, I've heard better in my local community centre by eight year old kids.
Rubbish
Brass and horns are horrible. HORRIBLE. How can anybody listen to that. It sounds awful. A pain in the ears. Making these sounds one self could be funny, just to harass people, but listening to it, and claiming it sounds "nice" or "good"? C'mon guys, it's torture.
@dietergoes5626
3 жыл бұрын
Its not a music for you,hip hop is yours
@MeBallerman
3 жыл бұрын
@@dietergoes5626 Naw, not hip hop... But don't tell me you find this "good music to listen to"
@cassius213
6 ай бұрын
Who are you? What have you done? Nothing, you're on KZread
@user-jg9pk2yy2d
5 ай бұрын
@@dietergoes5626first you have to learn music , write music , read music and play an instrument . Instead your heroes are Bts and jay z 😂😂😂
Crap!
Beware of Mr. Baker! Go, Ginger!