Um, does TalkSport have a really, really short memory or something? Last season all promoted sides (Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest) stayed up.

@susanna3375

14 күн бұрын

And this season those three clubs have survived the second season too!😊

@DEmeant0r

14 күн бұрын

@@susanna3375 exactly. It’s more to do with how-PL ready your squad is. Fulham already had a 13-year stint in the PL and several times of going up and down. Bournemouth had a five-year stint before going down and up again. Forest spent good enough to stay up.

2022/23 - All the promoted clubs stayed up. 2023/24 - All the promoted clubs are relegated. Sounds like the gap between the Premier League and Championship is the same as ever, we've just had two seasons of extremes.

You can't have it both ways, "the gap's bigger now" but this is only like the second time in 30 years it's happened. The gap's not bigger, Sheff United screwed themselves, Kompany refused to change tactics, and Luton were always a struggle but ironically looked better than the other two

What were they meant to do. They'd just seen Forest spend to stay up and then given a points deduction. So it's either buy players and try to stay up with a deduction or try and play with your championship squad and go down. Nice setup.

@lilbaz8073

20 күн бұрын

Forest got points deducted after the summer and january transfer windows had closed. Not sure what money the clubs were planning on spending in feb and march?

@noahpagel2823

19 күн бұрын

To be fair Forest got the points deduction in the 2nd season, Luton would’ve too. Forest spent too much but probably survived because of it, and this season they got more money to spend and when handed a points deduction, they were able to stay up again and get even more money for next year. It’s a risky, bold strategy but it’s paid off so far for Forest

@susanna3375

14 күн бұрын

@@noahpagel2823forests entire squad had cost £12m at the point at which the transfer window opened the summer we were promoted. Burnely's was worth over £100m! So let's be clear that narrative that "forest spent too much" needs context. Moreover, we were only out of the limits for 2 months. So the competitive advantage gained is extremely limited: we played him for 3 premier League games in that time! Three. And only gained 3 points anyway in those games. So why deduct four points!

Forest fan here and whilst I don't want to see a 12 goal swing, I give a lot of respect to Luton Town. They've come up, made life hard for a lot of teams and did the best with what they had. They also improved their ground which is great for them. Respect.

2001-02, 2011-12, 2017-18 & 2022-23. All 3 stay up 1997-98, 2023-24. All 3 relegated. Why does this gap get regurgitated when it's only the 2nd time since the premier league was formed that ALL THREE teams have gone straight back down? Same with "second season syndrome". Only 7 teams have been relegated in their second season.

Spot on narrative about Luton. We represented a version of English football that can be competitive within a sustainable framework. The Owners are supporters, sponsors are local with no ties to gambling and we're solvent. Makes you proud as f@#% COYH

@corneliussmiff2773

17 күн бұрын

The narrative about Luton is completely wrong. The media and neutrals alike have been singing their praises, despite them being actually not very good at all. They have painted this picture of a miracle promotion, despite it not being that at all. sorry but Luton have been incredibly lucky this season with many decisions and frankly they are a poor side.

2 seasons ago Burnley dropped and there were teams in the Premier League where you could get away with things against, it hasn't been that way this season. Every single club has top players, Forest have Gibbs White, Hudson Odoi, Chris Wood - that's a proper forward line - and they will finish 4th bottom. It's going to be interesting to see how the promoted teams do next season

@temporaryuseraccount0012

17 күн бұрын

Leicester will likely stay up.

This year, all of them did poor business, Sheffield United and Burnley's was actually terrible. We put the "R" next to their name before a ball was even kicked. Teams can stay up if they do good business and stay doing the right things. Luton looked like they could stay up until they went on a horrific run. All 3 of these clubs have nobody to blame but themselves.

Why do we keep talking in €Euros?

@jeffarcher2328

20 күн бұрын

Obviously they didn't vote for Brexit 😂

@Davybhoy25

18 күн бұрын

The transfers are done in euros so it’s easier to quote than converting it

Out of the clubs who have come up i think Luton have looked most likely to stay up, but they seemed to take too long to adjust to the Premier league which meant they were playing catch up. I really thought Burnely would have done better because of how they smashed the Championship but maybe Kompany needed to change his style of play as the step up was too much for some of those players

12 months ago, we saw a trio of clubs go down, that no one predicted: Leicester, Southampton, and Leeds. What’s changed in 12 months? Just simply three clubs not ready to make the step up. Next season will be a different story. Wouldn’t surprise me, if all three stay up next season.

The distribution of TV money is wrecking the competitive balance of the game. It's also a problem the premier league refuses to acknowledge.

The teams in the playoffs this season have lost between 10 and 15 Championship games each. Realistically...

Buying a load of bad players doesn't help. If Goldstein thinks the amount of dosh you spend is equal to the quality of player..he's an even bigger mug than he comes across as.

@lilbaz8073

20 күн бұрын

He's a utd fan. You'd have thought he'd know.

I mean, all of the promoted teams last season stayed up and have in the past few seasons.

Financial handicaps in the Championship are super tight. Should allow clubs that can prove they have funds to spend

Financial rules - beforehand nobody was too strict with spending but since Forest and Everton the other clubs promoted daren't spend now, so as a result they have no squad to compete. Interesting to see if the same happens next year

@blueboy4life

20 күн бұрын

Points deduction didn’t come until November so why didn’t they dare spend in the summer before?

I think, from NOW on, we have probably, seen the LAST, of ALL three promoted clubs from the Championship staying up !! I'm a Luton Season Ticket Holder, and, the club, has, just HAD to prioritise, the building of a NEW stadium at Power Court, (the PL money, means, they can build a 23.500 capacity stadium), over, perhaps spending, lets say, 100 million pound on NEW players, still NOT staying up, and, then, being relegated back to the Championship, with, a team, they could NOT afford, and, then, have to do a 'firesale' of players !!

I agree, we need a new league in between the Championship and PL. The gap is just so huge. It's a chasm. It's a constant revolving door for the bottom 3 because they can't compete with the money with those teams who've had 20+ years of PL money.

@jalberto428

20 күн бұрын

It's only been this year, look through the years most teams have stayed up

@loganleroy8622

20 күн бұрын

Sure, just call it the Premiership.

It’s a money rich list league. If Luton is English fan owned, rather than an oil country or rich yank. I’m proud of Luton Town

I think the amazing story here (which no one has picked up on) is that all 3 of the promoted clubs last year have survived their second season. Has that ever happened ? Especially given the extraordinary efforts of the PL to deduct us points and the PGMOL to stop us getting points.

Its the first time in 24 years that the three that went up have came back down. Hardly enough evidence to start making bold claims

As many have pointed out, all three promoted teams last season stayed up. I think the championship last season, as in the season that saw Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton promoted, was just the weakest for a long time. The standard at the top of the championship has generally been much higher this season. You also have to consider that Sheffield United arguably had a better squad in the championship than they had in the premier league. Ndiaye was their best player. Burnley also couldn't keep hold of their top scorer Nathan Tella, who has since gone onto win the Bundesliga and Harwood-Bellis, who was an important player for them. Luton were the only club where there was no debate whether or not they improved their squad.

All 3 failed to strengthen. It really was that simple IMO.

Out of the three teams coming up, I can only see them surpassing Nottingham Forest at best depending on how these teams strengthen over the closed season. So that’s four teams competing for 17th place. I cannot see the likes of Wolves, Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth and C.Palace getting relegated at this point.

Yet literally every promoted team stayed up last season... I guarantee all Bents done is about 5 seconds of research, just looked at the current table, seen the promoted teams have struggled this season and thought 'right that means it's harder to stay up these days' without doing a second of research on any other year.

Burnley had a lot of loan players from Chelsea and Man City in the championship, they didnt get them this season. Shef Utd sold 2 key players just at the season was due to start. Luton just werent good enough to begin with, Im suprised they made it to the last day.

Cash is king, Sheffield almost went bust last year, luton are tiny and burnley rebuilding from a disastrous relegation. Correlation does not equal causation.

@dirkbogarde44

20 күн бұрын

Getting rid of a core of British players at Burnley didn't help.

@archiedonnelly2948

20 күн бұрын

@@dirkbogarde44 think their quality is more relevant given that many of them play for mid table teams now.

The gap is bigger than ever now, especially financially. It will get to a stage where the same six teams will swap between the PL and the Championship

@fazz95

20 күн бұрын

Look at the relegated and promoted teams of the last 20 years and you'll see its been happening a while

@archiedonnelly2948

20 күн бұрын

​@@fazz95exactly it's not getting any worse it's just the same

@rjw4762

20 күн бұрын

Yep, I think the same. Leicester, Leeds, Norwich, Fulham, WBA have all been yo-yo clubs this past 17-18 years. It's not a bad existence.

@AWOLeeds

19 күн бұрын

@@rjw4762 We (leeds) aren't. We stayed there 3 years and went down once in the last 20 or so years. And it isn't the same every year, literally every team stayed up last season. This year it's the complete opposite.

@rjw4762

19 күн бұрын

@@AWOLeeds I do kinda take your point - Leeds have only been Relegated from the PL TWICE in the past 20 years - 2004 and 2023 and Promoted Twice (2010 and 2021) - not forgetting 3 years in Division 3 - just like Forest !!!....so not quite the YoYo club I suggested, but interesting that - similar to Forest - Leeds has spent the majority of the past 20 years outside the top division - shocking for both clubs !

It's what the Premier League want, nobody wants the 3 relegated club's in the division, less money & sponsorship.

Chris Wilder was an idiot always bashing his players to the the media and showed to much respect to opponents with his tactics. Kompany thought he could employ the same tactics in the Prem like Championship and got exposed and Edwards man for man marking system was always going to be a risk.

the premiership is in England why are you quoting sown in Euros? the currency un uk is GBP

Why they saying euros 🥴we live in England

Luton are a league 1 club then you coud argue Sheffield Untied & Burnley could be as well if not bottom pile championship. The 3 going up Leeds, Leichester & Ipswich much stronger teams. Then the 3 from league 1 Bolton, Derby & Pompey also stronger. There's a gap but those 3 teams were just never good enough

@RyanSmith-wg3tp

20 күн бұрын

Derby ? Haha smoking crack

@tommyk3436

19 күн бұрын

Leeds ain’t going up ya weapon 😂

If you watched that season you could see the competition was very low. No offence too Sheffield and Luton but they wouldn’t of been anywhere near it this season in terms of promotion.

As a blade, it is obvious. Money. Our club is skint. How can we compete with companies backed by petrodollars or American multi billionaires? Simple, we can't.

Jeebus. It happens for the first time in the Premier League history, its hardly a trend.

The EFL need to allow the championship to spend more money to bridge the gap. Then when teams are promoted they have a better platform to try survive in the premier league

You got to think it’s a complete lack of ambition from the 2 of the 3 teams that come up, they should of spent the money and gave it a complete go as you got Everton whom over the last few seasons have been floating around relegation and in big financial trouble also with them and Forest getting points deductions, there could of been 2 slots to stay up if they actually went for it and they didn’t capitalise on it. The premier league has never thrown a bone for the new teams in the relegation battle like it has this year and none of them took advantage of it. Luton especially shown real promise through out the season, £25 million spend though is shocking!!! When you get the big payment coming up. If they invested more they could have stayed up I think easily, especially as they had players like Barkley being a staring light for them. If they invested in more experienced premier league talent, maybe they could have survived.

Is it though? I mean last season all 3 promoted teams STAYED UP so I dont think that the gap is "bigger then ever." This is the first time in 26 years this has happened and I think these guys are just going with this narrative to get clicks.

How do you buy big players and p off the players that got you there .

Kompany’s tears were more for the fact he won’t ever get back on city’s offshore payroll

Sheffield Utd Sold there best players before the start, Kompany was stubborn and only known Plan A, and Luton were always going to struggle, I can see Burnley and Luton doing well next season, It’s the first time in over 20 seasons all 3 have gone

@richarddawson8462

20 күн бұрын

First time since 98 Bolton went down on goal difference and would of stayed up in goal line technology existed back then. Guy that created the original technology was a Bolton fan who started working on it after the 0 0 draw with Everton In 97

@AmieeNazir

20 күн бұрын

@@richarddawson8462 I’m a Everton fan, I remember that it was clearly a goal

@archiedonnelly2948

20 күн бұрын

Bang on too many people ignoring the actual factors regarding each club

@classicsportclassictiyl8547

20 күн бұрын

@@richarddawson8462 You mean Gerry Taggart's header, there was only 5 goals that split Everton and Bolton in the end. The problem was lack of quality up front because ok Nathan Blake got 12 which isn't bad but the next best striker was Holdsworth and Bob Taylor who each scored 3. Alan Thompson was a midfielder he scored 9 which was pretty good.

Because basically they aren't good enough. Some teams will adapt better than others that win promotion but some just seem content with the money it bring and parachute payments such as Norwich who've been up and down like a yo-yo. Burnley are going in a similar direction too, relegation then back up then relegated again. Sheffield Utd weren't really ready to be fair and they did well to gain promotion in some ways. Luton surprised people with their promotion but frankly were so defensively naive and inept. It will be interesting to see how nect seasons three do fare

Burnley could have stayed up but they give away a lot of tip tap pass at the back errors plus a lot of reds. Burnley very strong and will prob go up again (Rovers fan)

Shows how poor these guys knowledge is of any team outside of the top 6. Think about the context, if you know any of it. Burnley pissed the championship last season, however their best player was on loan & they couldn’t quite sign him. Sheff U were financially crippled when they went up, they were never going to spend. Luton have been trying to get the money together for a new stadium for decades, again never going to spend much given those circumstances

There's no one who wants to sign for them clubs no players see them as clubs moveing forward hence they wont sign for clubs like that 🤷🏻‍♂️

Weakest Championship almost ever and poor teams went up due to it, contrast to this season which is likely the best Championship since it began.

Money and DATA.

To some fans its like winning lottery to watch their team in premier league no matter what happens especially younger fans to have chance to see top teams . Having been a fan of one of the clubs in 98 it still goes down as greatest season ever for us . Its not always about money

The reason Luton didn’t spend more was due to investing in our new ground. No mystery and we all accepted it

@dirkbogarde44

20 күн бұрын

Another soulless modern stadium...great.

@Iamevlhmr

20 күн бұрын

Good luck to you, Arsenal had to do that and it cost us over a decade of competitive football

@TerryJC1971

20 күн бұрын

@@dirkbogarde44 we are stuck in no man’s land with an 11k ground…

Looks like forest did it correct

@andrewmoore8432

20 күн бұрын

And being told off for being ambitious

Following the pathetic Spurs fans not wanting to try and get 4th spot and Champions League I think they should give their league place to Luton who at least take it seriously. ☹️

Next season 1 promotion club goes down properly the play off winner Brighton and Brentford

@petersouth4360

13 күн бұрын

Sorry to disappoint you wont be BRIGHTON no chance IPSWICH, BRENTFORD , FOREST.

Leicester and Southampton are staying up next season so I wonder what the narrative will be then

@archiedonnelly2948

20 күн бұрын

Southampton?

@Fmfcg

20 күн бұрын

@@archiedonnelly2948 they're coming up

@archiedonnelly2948

20 күн бұрын

@@Fmfcg hope you've been to the bookies then

@Fmfcg

20 күн бұрын

@@archiedonnelly2948 2/1

@petersouth4360

13 күн бұрын

So you have mastered seeing into the future no one else can REALLY. Only top 6 safe noone else is .

Can’t stand the pure ignorance from Darren bent on this, just literally waving his hand across the room trying to get someone’s attention when someone is speaking to him. Complete rudeness. You can tell he hasn’t been raised properly, pure divvi

Luton have been the Turd that wouldn't flush.

BS. The teams that came up this year are beyond bad. It's as simple as that. Look at Brighton, Newcastle and Villa, examples of teams that have all come up and gotten into European spots in the space of a few years.

Crikey boys, be careful. You could slip a disk riding Lutons pole this hard.

In other news, the gap between United and the Championship is getting shorter, Mr Goldstein.

@Blaze26909

20 күн бұрын

glory years bottling a 12 point lead🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣u will be long dead next time oilcastle win owt😂😂😂😂

Money is the answer. Less money, less competitiveness.

Goldstein has ordered they turn off comments on Man Utd 0-1 Arsenal. What a sore loser….

Everton gave you all an 8 point head start and we finished 14 points clear that’s how great Everton are 🎉🎉🎉 Tracky DYCHE Rules premier league champions 2025 incoming 🏆

They are not allowed to spend money, that's why. FFP was created to protect Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham.

Er….the Premier clubs have more money. The games are rigged to favour the bigger clubs.

Last year all the promoted clubs stayed up. So it's not as it seems