❗BIG CORRECTION❗Applying bleed now only works when a hit does damage. This makes the Kickback/Rumbler melee pretty useless now for AoE (used to be very strong) although still good for stagger. Use Heavies with the Shield instead for horde clear. Use Punishing Fire instead of Pierce for Blessings. Apologies, I was not aware of this change. ❗Stationary Shield Mode❗You have 100% melee dmg immunity in 360° in this state. Technically you can keep a large group of Crushers locked on you and save your team. 99% of the time, with good positioning, it's not really helping your team. Also, I forgot to mention a normal block with the Shield can block Crushers' overhead. ❗WHY NO HEAVYWEIGHT? ❗Heavyweight gives 30% dmg reduction vs ogryns. WE BASICALLY NEVER GET HIT by any ogryn enemy because we stun-lock them in a staggered state or block them. 30% of 0 is 0. We also don't need the 30% extra damage on them because it's not the build's role and it's not gonna impact gameplay that much. The keystones can actually prevent damage from sources that can hurt us. If you REALLY want it, you can take it instead of one of the keystones, but keep Strongest! on. (If I explain every reason why I DON'T TAKE each node on the tree, that section would take 10 minutes.)💢

@Vision1100

4 ай бұрын

If you need a weapon that applys bleed to enemys the ripper gun is a good choice with the Flechette II blessing. I know its just a Stage 2 blessing but it could be an alternative.

@etiennedurocher383

3 ай бұрын

Melee with kickback or rumbler apply bleed for me

@WaltzingBear

3 ай бұрын

@@etiennedurocher383 The gun melee with these 2 has a large cleave for impact, but not damage. It now only damages 2 targets. This means that since the nerf only 2 targets get bleed stacks which is no longer good for AOE damage like before the nerf.

@jakemccracken5860

Ай бұрын

But the toughness regen is still faster with the kickback melee as opposed to the shield or is that affected as well

@WaltzingBear

Ай бұрын

@@jakemccracken5860 Correct. This is actually fairly strong defensively.

Bro this is an incredible video, and I was even more impressed when I noticed the size of your channel. I'm subscriber 50, and here's to 50k; you deserve it for this very well planned, well articulated, well edited content. I wish more guides were this well done, really.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks! Much love! ♥ I'm just improving my KZread game ATM, not milking anything. More guides are in the pipeline.

@gilliganinja

5 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear glad to hear it! I'll be coming back to this when my ogryn is max level, and maybe you've got something in the works for one of my max level characters that I can use sooner!

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Zealot and Veteran builds that I think are cool and fun next.

Thanks for the comment updates! Keeps the build top tier. Having tons of fun with multiple of your builds.

@WaltzingBear

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad to hear!

very well explained! thanks ill give this a try

i really appreciate this video and the updates in the comments, i recently returned to this game and i havent played since the new skill tree updates (new to me) and this really helped out a lot. im just now level 19 but the build already feels comprehensive and makes me feel impactful, along with the actual guide on how to fill your role in the team i do feel like i am able to carry really bad teams with the tools in the build allowing me to be very tough to take down

@WaltzingBear

11 күн бұрын

Hey, thanks! Glad you can still enjoy the game.

Dope video, I liked the step by step breakdown of the build along with general tips. Editing is top class. This video must have taken a lot of time to make. You've got me subbed for life Edit: Just saw your pinned comment about changes in newer patches. You'll the GOAT in my eyes for making corrections. o7

@WaltzingBear

3 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks! It did take a long time (so long in fact nobody's playing the game now 🤣). I wish I didn't have to even make the correction. I made sure to test everything after that for my other builds... Cheers!

This is a much better build than another tank build ive seen recently, as it seems well thought out. There are a couple things I'd swap in order to have the node that gives cool down per elite kill, but i can tell the build works fine.

@WaltzingBear

Ай бұрын

Thank you. Please notice the correction about using Shield heavies rather than gun melee. You don't need the CD-on-kill node as chain-pushing with the Shield gives you all the CDR you need, but try it yourself!

thanks for the info, great stuff

I have really been struggling with playing ogryn since i started playing. I feel so solid in the other classes yet i could never get anytbing going with the ogryn. I feel like this video can change all that, i was looking for something like this for SO long. Thank you!!

@rafaelhovhannessian

Ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that mate but I’m only level 16 since I decided to do a second class I went from psych to ogryn and man only lvl 16 and I’m a beast half the skill tree but I have legendary weapons it’s a blast I’m already tanking massive hits from crushers etc with the shield and mace and running the twin heavy gun melting so many elite enemies wolves etc so much fun and I’m running the charge ability boosting the team toughness etc so much fun man trust me keep it your just a big hunk of meat smashing and yeeting enemies everywhere 😂

@DeeDeeCeeCee

Ай бұрын

Update: I went from struggling on malice to doing auric missions on ogryn 😎 Thanks again!!

I just spend 500k on shields just to get screwed by hadron with bad blessings and perks. Finally got a decent combination and tried your build.... And what shall I say? First game due to a game crash and being only 3 players I had to solo a massive horde alone until my friend rejoined. 123 kills and still going strong. The moment he joined a beast of nurgle spawned with another horde which we managed to survive until we could get our third player back. Massive clutch moment from me, who usually fails miserably in such situations. Second match was also a walk in the park thanks to your tipps. Thx m8, really great and in depth guide! The only thing I changed was lower push costs instead of less damage when the team is down. Probably both decent choices

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Great to hear! I think I quit more games with this build than lost games to dying... Very survivable. You can do lower push cost, doesn't really matter with those nodes, I just didn't need it with good stamina management. Cheers!

Your first point made me sold on this guide. For the LOVE OF GOD GET OUT OF MY FUCKING WAY. Playing with new ogryn players as a veteran is just pain incarnate. I wish "DONT STAND IN THE DOORWAY" was a tip during the loading screens. Also, your point on advancing while blocking is critical! The point of a tank isn't to take damage and do nothing, it's to crowd control and give your team a way to engage beyond shooting from distance or running in while eating gunner fire. The WoW reference makes a lot of sense here. Excellent guide

- It just doesn't feel right now whenever I don't have the slab shield going. I got way to used to crowd control pushing and now whenever I don't have it I keep feeling like I missed out. Great video, helped me refine my build a bit as I was basically using the same style. The tip about always keeping in mind to not block doors was great advice as I now catch myself doing that and have put more effort into keeping to the side so thanks again!

@WaltzingBear

Ай бұрын

Hey thanks! I feel the same way, except it has been like that for me since release (when you could stack bleed better).

This is an awesome build man keep up the good content i know its hard with how slow fatshark is but this is an amazing video enjoy this sub

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

I'm not getting any money out of this right now, so this is just to have fun at the moment. ( I don't need a huge active community.) I have several other build guides in the making. Cheers!

- That kickback shotgun is so epic. It just feels so powerful and is so satisfying to dump into a group and just one trigger pull half a room of guys.

@WaltzingBear

2 ай бұрын

It has some limitations, but it feels great in close range. In long range it's more a CC-stick than a gun.

This is the darktide equivalent to wows "hobbs way of pulling" :D I will try this!

using the stationary block is good after you pop your taunt ult. You can also aggro ranged units if you have the right perk, just dont get shot in the back. But in general yes, it's very situational and you are useless if you're not using it to draw aggro

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

You do have complete 100% dmg immunity vs melee, so you can technically lock down 7 Crushers at once attacking you in the corner and save your team. So it CAN be used properly super situationally. But the way most people use it, that's not the case. Also, it shouldn't be necessary if you have good positioning.

Little late here.. But this ABSOLUTELY earned a sub. Thank you!

Even with the recent nerf i am bullying with this build cant wait for a revisit lol

Weirdly enough, I've actually had pretty good results blocking doorways. When dealing with a horde, I've kept the entire run at bay, which allowed the team to deal with them as a leisure, rather than necessity. Especiailly when paired with a Psyker or Zealot throwing fire. On the bigger doorways, I stand to one side (slightly angled) and hit the Taunt to keep them focused, while leaving a clear side open to shoot away. I've NEVER had an instance where the rest of the team didn't pick up on what I was doing, to use the shield as cover for melee, while the Psykers hit the aoe damage. To say it makes you useless is a misrepresentation, because if ALL the active enemies are hitting a stationary Ogryn without doing damage, they're NOT attacking anyone else, letting the team safely deal with pretty much anything. If you know what you're doing, being a tank, it can be a VERY effective tactic when dealing with funneling enemies, choke points or no. Good video and I'll have to check the channel later for some of the other builds.

@WaltzingBear

2 ай бұрын

You're technically correct, and I would expand on that if I made this video again. You do need a good team though for it to be worth it, otherwise the mission can take a very long time. I wanted to encourage tank players to play more actively. Most of the time it's better to attack, not block, for the damage debuff and CC. (Sorry for late reply; was away.)

Love this guide, amazing diz of the ogryns ability to multitask :D Made me laugh.

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Tonseren

3 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear I have been testing out the build (with my limited gear) and it has made progress easier and the teams I play with are more satisfied with my gameplay, so thanks a lot.

@WaltzingBear

3 ай бұрын

@@Tonseren Cool, nice! Don't forget you want to use the Shield now for horde clear instead of swinging the gun. (Some of the information I gave in the vid about applying bleed is no longer relevant...)

@Tonseren

3 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear I saw your uofate and has also myself experienced this 👍🏼

Nice Video bud thanks a lot

Great content, you gave many tips about it on the video but are you planning to make a video about key binds and settings(like the one to ping enemies only), I’m new to the game and is difficult for me to slide, missing some finger coordination to shift->ctrl 👊

@WaltzingBear

Ай бұрын

A specific video, no, unless I'll get more requests for this. I can just tell you how I set up mine: For ping, you want to have your WASD keys fingers free to use and your mouse fingers free to aim and shoot; so I recommend using any of the keys next to Space Bar (L. Alt, Z, X, C, V, B, N). I use C for ping. I also use the radial menu on C at a 0.1 sec. delay, so I can both spam C for quick tag or hold for the radial menu. You want to disable the setting that pings the floor with the quick ping which allows you to spam ping enemies without being annoying to the team by constantly pinging the terrain. This way you only ping enemies and items. For Dodge I use V. Space Bar is only for jump. Special Action is Mouse Button 5. You can also use Middle Mouse. This allows me to use Special Action, Dodge and WASD at the same time. For slide, I didn't use to have Crouch on Ctrl in the past. I basically forced myself to get used to hitting Shift with the ring finger and Ctrl with the pinky, the hard way. It took me more than a week to feel comfortable with it. I don't think there's a workaround for that, just using it until it feels normal. (I play guitar and I'm used to stretching my fingers.) Just like any activity, you get more coordinated by doing it again and again. 😉 If something wasn't clear, let me know!

@guilhermederetti6333

Ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear great! I’ll try it as soon as I come back from Hollidays 👊

Indeed very comprehensive guide. Well deserved like & subscribe. I guess it's time to give the shied another go instead of the usual bull butcher/bully basher 🤔 Kickback is imho indeed most likely the best overall pick in this case but I going to try this with grenadier gauntlet for more sniping capabilites (pinpointing target is a must blessing, shattering impact a nice bonus). Because i don't trust my team mates I'll give up that +15 toughness and +10% toughness damage reduction and i'll take heavyweight for 2-shotting reapers n crushers if need arises (well ok, crushers are left with very little hp after two non-crit hits so almost as good as dead ) and then lynchpin to make up a little for those missing +15 toughness and +10% toughness damage reduction talents.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Maybe I'll give that a try myself. I never got into using the Gauntlet. Slab Shield was always my preferred melee because Gunners were a pain in the butt to deal with as Ogryn. Maybe because I still remember how the game used to be like on release...

@Terentios

5 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear oh yea, those were the days, been playing since beta myself 😅was mostly running with the shield too in the early days pretty much for the same reason and maybe got a bit of an overdose back then since ogryns didn't have the same flexibility & variability with weapons and builds as other classes did. I'm starting to think that gauntlet has been quite underrated weapon. Without proper blessings it certainly feels underwhelming on higher difficulties but when you roll a good one you suddenly start 1-shotting almost every human-sized enemy and it can also quickly dispatch even ogryn pack. It's best used as a specialist/elite sniper than a traditional grenade launcher hoping to clear hordes with it.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

@@Terentios I started the game as an Ogryn main. My solution to the Ogryn problems back then was to just play Zealot instead. 😆 I should try the Gauntlet, thanks!

You make the most in depth guides I've seen on KZread. I'm really enjoying ogryn with this build. The only one I havent tried yet is zealot and that's next for me. Ogryn is my favorite so far.

@WaltzingBear

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! 🙂 Hopefully the game will get more than 2k players soon...

I was pretty sure that cover of any form still applied to the Ogryn even if his big ass sticks out from behind it.

Since the start of the game shield has been the way I want to play the Ogryn but I never managed to use it efficiently, I'll have to try this build and your advice maybe I can become the bestest Ogryn !

@WaltzingBear

2 ай бұрын

The Slab Shield doesn't have bad damage really, but most of the damage comes from applying the debuff to enemies (60% more dmg for entire team). You also control enemies with stagger and taunt so the way to go is to play like a dedicated tank and go aggressive. You usually will get at least one person on the team that can do decent damage for you, which is enough. Read pinned comment for some corrections. Good luck!

@packmanbp

2 ай бұрын

Yeah after watching your guide I think I missed most of the key points to this weapon, I focused on trying to block stuff and get into the fray but completely forgot about pushing things around and the bonuses it provides and I have horrible stamina management and positioning, will try to work on all that now

cudos for a super video, with a perfect short, but adequate explaining of the talents.. im missing explaining of why the bonebreaker aura as tank? u start saying if i cant stay alibe why do damage?

@WaltzingBear

13 сағат бұрын

Thanks! I don't understand the question. Bonebreaker's is the cheapest aura to get with this build and it's the better one anyways...

for gun id go with the Rumbler or Blastoom ....

What Ogryn magic is that - in the name of Emperor himself man ! Edit : Ok at this point Darktide is just walking simulator for Ogryns

id take no pushover instead of pained outburst because you are pushing so much you should never run out of feel no pain stacks anyway or at least its an extra point to go elsewhere (for example Slam or Implaceable to help your melee) other than that its a solid build and an excellent video good sir!

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

Not a bad point. The logic is that I'd rather have a good "worst case" defense, and never use it by playing well, than have better push efficiency when I don't really find I need it. Thanks!

@dj-nugget2169

4 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBearim going to test a few but Slam seems a nice use for the point as you will stagger more faster and just proc skullcrusher more, although given your idea of being the team lead tank (like WoW) "Get stuck in" provides the team a nice movement buff to help them push with you or move around the bulwarks

My builds abit different than yours and I was just curious. I went with Indomitable vs Loyal Protector because it seemed better for keeping my team alive/ proning entire hordes. Is Loyal Protector a better option? Genuine question, xbox noob here. I also went Stay Close vs Bonebreaker, was that a mistake?

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

Loyal Protector is better defensively, you can get it back fast, it's more flexible and easier to use from range. Listen, you can try them both and decide for yourself. I don't like the idea of "meta" but this is how I play. Stay Close! is not hugely impactful and it costs 1 extra point. Cheers!

@jordanantrim4414

4 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear fair enough, I actually went ahead and tried your build in second slot. I like them both for different reasons. I feel like I like mine more when running with random but yours with a good team is bounds better. I subbed!

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

@@jordanantrim4414 Maybe I err more on the defensive side, I just don't like dying 😇. Thanks! New Zealot vid out now, BTW.

@jordanantrim4414

4 ай бұрын

@WaltzingBear that's my next one I'm leveling, at 15 and it's not going good or bad. Just having a tough time finding its niche. I love the ogryn & psyker though (psyker was my first 30)

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

@@jordanantrim4414 Cool. I can't play Psyker-too squish for me. Zealot is my fav.

Your saying health is best for this character but if your never losing health shouldn't you go with more toughness?

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

Right, but Toughness is there to protect your health 🙃Health just has incredible value on Ogryn because base HP. It protects better against stuff like Bursters...

If I'm blocking, I'm not hitting. If I'm not hitting, I'm not killing. >:B

Take a look at the "Ogrynomicon"

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Isn't that a guide on Steam? Anything in particular? Just because people make nice looking guides with lots of words doesn't mean everything in it is always the best advice when you actually test how it plays out in a game.

@AB-ke2lw

5 ай бұрын

It is a guide on steam. I like your video! Just thought you might like to see the Ogrynomicon as well :) The guide mentions that one of your kickback perks is sub-optimal - however I think you made a great justification for it in the video. Keep up the good content

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

@lw It's all good. I didn't think you meant anything by it. I base my builds on my own experience primarily, but it's nice to look at other resources. It's a very nice guide overall, by skimming it... They recommend Flak on the Kickback as well. Or you mean the Blessing with Pierce? I need to retest that. It's possible they nerfed the bleed cleave on the gun's melee since I last tested it (used to be really good at launch). That would be a pretty big error on my part if this was nerfed at one of the last patches. Thanks! Appreciate it.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

@@AB-ke2lw Crap, they did change how you apply bleed with the gun! It only applies bleed to 2 enemies now. That's a huge error on my part. It used to apply bleed to all enemies hit. I forgot to test that to make sure for the guide. Too late for the video now... Thanks for letting me know!

Why all the health curios? As long as you have toughness gunners wont damage your health, and melee damage is mitigated by the amount of toughness you have. So, the more toughness you have, the less health you need. And you can refill your toughness all the time.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Curios are multipliers. Ogryns have giant HP to begin with. All damage eventually goes through your HP to down you so it's a question of %. Melee damage is only mitigated if Toughness is at 100%, so it's not a question of how much Toughness you have but if it's full when you take a hit. Ogryns replenish Tougness on heavy hit, so higher Toughness will not mitigate damage in most situations. Toughness can mitigate high-damage hits (Poxbursters, Crusher slams) if it has very high effective value (350+); as an Ogryn you'll never get to that. You don't need more defense against Gunners with this build. I may make a video specifically talking about defensive mechanics in the future... Cheers!

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

Your logic stands with Veterans that can stay above 100% Toughness and have a very large Toughness value, not with Ogryns.

@remyspierings9848

5 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear I was under the impression that the melee damage you take was based on the persentage of toughness you have. Example: If you have max 100 toughness points (at 100%) you take no damage on your first hit. But lets say the hit makes you lose 50 toughness points, then you will take 50% damage on a second hit. If the same scenario appears when you have a toughness pool of 200, you would only receive 25% damage on your second hit, because you still have 150 of 200 toughness. Or am I wrong?

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

@@remyspierings9848 On paper you are correct, however we don't play the game like PoE. The way you have to play (if not Zealot) is to always stay at 100% Toughness or make sure you're not getting hit. Most of the damage you take is when things go wrong outside of your control (stealth Bursters, etc.). Health just gives you a better value of punishment taken per point, except for very high Toughness builds like Veteran. For Ogryn, higher Toughness will actually slow down your regeneration, and with the 25% regen on heavy attack, I don't notice a problem staying at 100% Toughness for almost any attack that hits me, even with the current Toughness value I have. If you think you can make a Toughness build work, though, try it! I'd love to see more build options in the game.

Now the part when you started talking about spamming tags, that's something I be trying to do, but obviously I play on Xbox & on top of that I be having controller issues so if anyone see anyone "Not tagging" anything I guarantee coming across people who call that annoying I don't need to come across IF it's gone be that big of problem....I mean damn, shit just happens 🤷🏾‍♂️ people be complaining about too much shit in this game nowadays & that what cuts off the fun & hype 👎🏾

@WaltzingBear

3 ай бұрын

What?

Dont block your teammates is just obvious... I doubt 2% of ogryn players make the effort to stay to one side. Please tell me you people didnt need to be told this by a youtube guide 😮‍💨

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

You're overestimating the majority of the player base, based on my experience. I hope most people that watch this already know this though...

@enzime

4 ай бұрын

@@WaltzingBear id hope so too, but im nearly at 1100 hours played, trying to 100% the game, and i almost never see an ogryn player who doesnt walk striaght through you while youre obvioulsy shooting at X

@WaltzingBear

4 ай бұрын

@@enzime I usually empty half my ammo reserves at their back if they're really being clueless. Can't say it actually ever helped though 😄

Terrible build, didn't even use heavy-weight. As an Ogryn main, I can say with certainty that you don't play Ogryn often, and you should stay in your lane zealot main. But for real though I would substitute the feel no pain push back for heavy-weight, since the situational advantage with the 30% damage resistance and extra damage dealt is too good to pass up, it is incredibly versatile and I recomend picking it up for all Ogryn builds whether that being tanking or damage.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

OMG, thank you! I didn't know! When I made the build after playing Ogryn for 2 missions on Malice, I didn't even bother to look at all the nodes on the tree. HOW BLIND COULD I HAVE BEEN!? Right there, only one point away is an incredible 30% damage and damage reduction node!! I should immediately remove my build from the internet in shame! That will explain why I keep dying all the time when I play my Malice missions. Thank you for your feedback.

@melondad4156

5 ай бұрын

@WaltzingBear thank you for taking my feedback seriously, I hope that you never make the same mistake again as that can really make or break a build. Also, I appreciate you adding a pinned comment explaining why you didn't take it despite my comment being the only one that brought it up.

@WaltzingBear

5 ай бұрын

@@melondad4156 I still don't know if you're speaking ironically. When you leave a comment that says "terrible build" people assume that you mean it, regardless if you said it differently in your head. Like I said in the video: the skill tree is very optimized. Thanks for watching.

I main ogryn and use the slab shield but I find myself preferring Indomitable for the bleed stacks, stagger capabilities and the ofc the massive increase of mobility. I like the taunt but find myself just preferring Indomitable because in truth its much tanky and more mobile while giving huge dots along with direct hits.