Darkstar Will Steal Dawn (Winds of Winter Theory)

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The original, one-and-only "Darkstar will steal Dawn" theory, starring Ser Gerold "Darkstar" Dayne and also featuring Edric Dayne, fAegon, Arianne, Jon Snow, and of course Arthur Dayne.
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  • @prestoncox585
    @prestoncox5853 жыл бұрын

    "Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night." **hair flip**

  • @TheOnlyElle.

    @TheOnlyElle.

    3 жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @surtur9861

    @surtur9861

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if GRRM sat down, and looked at this specific line, delighted in the inevitable amount of cringe it would cause.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2

    @CrimsonTemplar2

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOLOLOLOL

  • @isabellamego5321

    @isabellamego5321

    3 жыл бұрын

    Omg so dramatic

  • @pebblesramirez9290

    @pebblesramirez9290

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣😂🤣

  • @thebovineavenger
    @thebovineavenger3 жыл бұрын

    I am so glad the show did NOT add him. I mean Hot Topic Euron was bad enough. They would of done an Emo Darkstar and then I would of raged.

  • @raveneyex

    @raveneyex

    3 жыл бұрын

    would have*. "They would have done an Emo Darkstar..."

  • @jaspershepherdsmith9047

    @jaspershepherdsmith9047

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raveneyex well done bro

  • @roadiejames

    @roadiejames

    3 жыл бұрын

    Facts. They would have brought shame to his character but if they were to cast him, who do you think they would've casted? I can't even begin to think of who could've played him.

  • @LoganBluth

    @LoganBluth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sooo....., they would have portrayed him exactly as he appears in the books...? 🤨

  • @LoganBluth

    @LoganBluth

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@roadiejames Jared Leto! That guy gives FANTASTIC edge! 😁

  • @garo7839
    @garo78393 жыл бұрын

    Ah Darkstar, Westeros' finest edgelord. Is there a Hot Topic in Dorne?

  • @jesselandman276
    @jesselandman2763 жыл бұрын

    "I am of the night" makes so much more sense when paired with the previous line referring to the sword "of the morning". Sounds far less silly than much of the fandom make it out to be.

  • @catherinehalverson1436
    @catherinehalverson14363 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely love the concept of Darkstar and Faegon as a perverted version of Sir Arthur and Rhaegar! Brilliant!

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s exactly the sort of degraded parallel that George likes to use, methinks

  • @brienneoftarth7717

    @brienneoftarth7717

    Жыл бұрын

    Aegon is a Targaryen even if he’s a Blackfyre

  • @tabulldog2743
    @tabulldog27433 жыл бұрын

    Something that I really want to see happen in the books is for Edric Dayne to go North with the rest of the "good" members of the Brotherhood Without Banners and end up meeting his milk brother Jon Snow. I can see Edric Dayne becoming the squire for the potential King in the North. Given how he took care of Beric Dondarion, he should have a lot of experience with being the squire to undead guys lmao. Plus it would be pretty appropriate for the nephew of Arthur Dayne to squire for the son of his best friend!

  • @TheWatcher802

    @TheWatcher802

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ned's résumé: squiring for revenants

  • @minimumviableplayer1402
    @minimumviableplayer14023 жыл бұрын

    This is inconsequential to the theory of stealing Dawn but it is weird that George doesn't clarify that Darkstar did wound Myrcella himself. Arianne doesn't witness it, and later there are different opinions on the matter. If Darkstar is really skilled and wanted to kill her, there was nothing holding him back, so if he did it, he only mutilated her on purpose. To guarantee it comes to war maybe? I don't think we have enough information yet to decide. However, there is one other possibility I don't see much discussed. Arianne's troupe is ambushed by Areo Hotah and a dozen men with crossbows and throwing spears, which they all throw and fire agaisnt Arys Oakhart when he charges. How many of those arrows/spears hit, bounce and miss? I can see a stray/bounced crossbolt hitting Myrcella. What reason does Prince Doran have to cast fault on Darkstar though? I'm not sure, but he is big schemer and can have one.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    all true, there is a definite fog of battle thing happening in that Arianne chapter. Maybe he's not as sinister as we all think!

  • @surtur9861

    @surtur9861

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was about to raise my doubts that Darkstar did hurt Myrcella. I believe he's been framed. The party's horses were quite exhausted, and the man allegedly attempted to kill a princess of the Iron throne, and yet the men who were there did not pursue him. And it plays quite well into Doran's hand, since he'll probably be able to send Ser Balon Swann in a wild goose chase. If Doran has as much influence with the shitstorm happening in king's landing as my boy Preston Jacobs thinks he does, he might have orchestrated the whole thing himself.

  • @bronhaller

    @bronhaller

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agree that Darkstar was framed for Myrcella - too many questionable points in the story provided. I suspect that Doran is sending Swann into a trap and Darkstar and Obara will team up instead.

  • @paolabruno4437

    @paolabruno4437

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also there's a Myrcella lookalike lurking around... The wound could be to differenciate them

  • @surtur9861

    @surtur9861

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@paolabruno4437 Rosamunde, yes. Who know if Myrcella was even there? It may even her been her lookalike all along.

  • @permiebird937
    @permiebird9373 жыл бұрын

    I don't think Darkstar cut Myrcella. Doran knew about this scheme of Arianna's, because he had a mole with the group. I think the mole was the one that cut Myrcella and killing her wasn't the plan. Doran is the one claiming Darkstar did it, Arianna didn't see it happen. Mycella seemed instinctively to fear Drea. The Sand Snakes don't believe that Darkstar did it at first, like it is out of character for him to cut little girls. I think Darkstar has spent his life growing up in the shadow of Arthur Dayne. He has worked hard to become Arthur's equal as a swordsman, but is always unfavorably compared to Arthur, regardless of if he is an equal or better fighter than Arthur. Darkstar was likely told simply that he would "Never Carry Dawn," but, wasn't given a reason that would make sense about why, like Robert is King and Dawn will remind him of Rhaegar. It's not hard to see how Darkstar could have grown up into an Edgelord, to hide his frustration from forever being compared to his legendary uncle, but never seen to measure up. After a decade and a half of that, no wonder he comes across as rather salty.

  • @gdhuertas07

    @gdhuertas07

    2 жыл бұрын

    You actually made Darkstar an interesting character. Kudos.

  • @janakipejov3667

    @janakipejov3667

    4 ай бұрын

    I was also always a little bit sceptical about Darkstar cutting the girl... idk why

  • @Nga_Babaye
    @Nga_Babaye3 жыл бұрын

    I think he'll steal Dawn and call himself Sword of the Evening.

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783

    @jonhauge-evaldsson783

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or the Dusky Swordsman.

  • @alexandergangaware429

    @alexandergangaware429

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which would be foreshadowing that he will be defeated by a Nymeria-archetype character. Or maybe just eaten by Arya's Nymeria. As an aside, the best thing about LML theorizing about the Daynes is his refusal to accept that N+A=J (the eyes are the proof), and that Mance Rayder is actually Arthur Dayne, even though the theories are much better once you realize that Jon is half Dayne and Mance is his uncle. Why should a non-Dayne be Sword of the Morning? Because Dawn was the original Ice? All the more reason for it to be wielded by a Stark-Dayne in the Ultimate Showdown For Great Justice.

  • @Nga_Babaye

    @Nga_Babaye

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@alexandergangaware429 I think if J=A+N, then D=R+L, and that is a harder timeline to solve unless Lyanna got pregnant by Rhaegar at the Tourney of Harrenhal to maintain the supposed fact that Dany is a year younger, and we are expected that Bobby B's Rebellion all happened inside the span of the next year. Jon was about a year old when Ned brought him back to Winterfell, which would make Dany between a few months old to around nine months old. There is just too much evidence between the lines that Ned and Blood Raven believe that Jon is the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, however it was all worked out, which would make him Lyanna and Rhaegar's. I think Jon and Dany are twins and the whole timeline is off to cover it up.

  • @alexandergangaware429

    @alexandergangaware429

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Nga_Babaye Interesting. For my part, I've long believed that it was Val who was born at the Tower of Joy. Her hair shines silver in moonlight, and her eyes are the deep, vivid blue that sometimes takes the place of purple among Targaryens. And people keep calling her a princess, no matter how many times Jon tells them she can't be, since wildlings follow charismatic leaders, not bloodlines. Jon knows nothing, so he fails to realize that this is proof that she isn't a wildling, rather than not being a princess. And Arthur becoming Mance is the avenue by which she comes north. Her real name is probably Visenya, in that case. "Val" is kind of a joke, since she's part Valyrian. Probably her milk name.

  • @Nga_Babaye

    @Nga_Babaye

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@alexandergangaware429 As a writer, I know GRRM hasn't locked himself into anything. I mean I guess that it possible, but the reason I never believed it about Val was it would have meant that Marthur rode or sailed past the wall without question, found wildlings to entrust an infant girl with, wildlings who wouldn't give a shit about a her being princess, went back and he served how many years with the Watch before defecting, and no one mentions Mance with a baby that I recall. Unless she was being watched over by Ned and Benjen in Winter Town and Benjen somehow smuggled her north recently. There would have been no reason to move her north except for the fact that Bobby was coming north. There's no indications as of yet that anything like that happened except maybe Benjen disappearing. There were many men serving on the wall who would have known the face of Ser Arthur Dayne well, especially Alliser Thorne, and I would think they would have known him, and there is no way that many people are in on the plot.

  • @Gabeslogic
    @Gabeslogic3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if the 2020 vibe of apocalyptic apathy will impact how George sees Westeros. Like Darkstar becomes Sword of the Morning and instead of it being a huge controversy, the people of Westeros will be like "yeah that may as well happen too."

  • @celly8713
    @celly87133 жыл бұрын

    I could totally see edge lord Gerold wanting people to call him the sword of the evening

  • @yellowisksheppard8889
    @yellowisksheppard88893 жыл бұрын

    I know I commented already but I loved this video so much. I can’t see how it isn’t what grrm is going for. A recreation of the Roberts rebellion but with a fake version of each character... that’s gold!

  • @tabulldog2743

    @tabulldog2743

    3 жыл бұрын

    A recreation without the substance

  • @blackeyedlily
    @blackeyedlily3 жыл бұрын

    I have heard you propose this plot purpose for Darkstar a number of times previously. But this was truly an excellent job of thoroughly explaining your theory. It makes total sense to me. And I’m quite excited to hear your follow up with the related symbolism. You already did such an awesome job of explaining why this makes sense that I didn’t miss the typical mythical angle. But that makes me anticipate the follow up even more. And BTW, I love your ship name of the Sword & the Hammer. 😂

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it! It just came to me, seems right ;)

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Hammer and the Blade," technically :)

  • @vvsJefe
    @vvsJefe3 жыл бұрын

    If this theory turns out to be true, Dawn will probably make it’s way north by Darkstar getting sent to the wall for what he did to Mercella. Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this but it just occurred to me.

  • @laurahamilton6613
    @laurahamilton66133 жыл бұрын

    I see Darkstar, I swoon, I click.

  • @labang1174
    @labang11743 жыл бұрын

    I really want Jon "fake stark" to fight Darkstar "fake Arthur Dayne" in a tower of joy like moment and take Dawn to "New Starfall" aka where the meteor hit The Wall and fight the White Walkers.

  • @j84martinez44

    @j84martinez44

    2 жыл бұрын

    I like it!

  • @DavidBaronStevensPersonal

    @DavidBaronStevensPersonal

    2 жыл бұрын

    I bet they team up to bring a new long night

  • @ronensalathe

    @ronensalathe

    Жыл бұрын

    If you believe in the crackpot Gerold = Viserys theory, if would be a Targ who thinks he's a Stark fighting a Targ who thinks he's a Dayne

  • @tulkas42o22
    @tulkas42o223 жыл бұрын

    Epic music check, LML check, Darkstar check,....oh well then! Its ON!!!!

  • @SahilSingh-kb7mo
    @SahilSingh-kb7mo3 жыл бұрын

    You know I was really hoping for this to happen, but I never knew I wanted a video about it until this one. Always loved the Daynes.

  • @Leah-xu2fd
    @Leah-xu2fd3 жыл бұрын

    Seriously I can not get over the funny bits you've been putting in your videos. I don't know what it says about either of us but you are hilarious. It really does make the serious parts really stand out so that you do pay attention to it. And I also feel kindred connection to you because your theory crafting runs along my brain train tracks. Encouragement, gratitude and thanks. Your logic paths, I could get lost in them all day. Amazing job getting a lot of information into this without getting me lost.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • @bencarpenter81
    @bencarpenter813 жыл бұрын

    Darkstar, my man!...

  • @yellowisksheppard8889
    @yellowisksheppard88893 жыл бұрын

    Darkstar was framed #darkstarwasframed. Yeah the 5 year time jump I was gunna say that... but you did so maybe I should wait to comment till I finish watching excuse me sir. You were saying?

  • @jalfredprufrock1000
    @jalfredprufrock10003 жыл бұрын

    Yasssss! Can’t wait to watch after work!

  • @werdw4849

    @werdw4849

    3 жыл бұрын

    Watching after work lol

  • @jalfredprufrock1000

    @jalfredprufrock1000

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@werdw4849 heheh

  • @austinroyce256
    @austinroyce2563 жыл бұрын

    Adding to your dark star will be a kings guard theory, I think B Selmy will end up on the gaurd with him. If he believes Dany is dead and one of his biggest life failures (death of Aegon) was a lie, how could he do anything else? I Feel like this makes the end of his story ark a dark parallel to its start.

  • @oscargustaverejlander.
    @oscargustaverejlander.3 жыл бұрын

    My man! You have the best KZread channel on ASOIAF. Hands down. I love it! Thanks so much! Great to see you almost at 30k subs!! You deserve so much more!

  • @jarroddavis7485
    @jarroddavis74853 жыл бұрын

    It id so awesome that House Dayne has hella high standards when it comes to who can weild Dawn which is literally one of a kind. And knowing that the sword can go through generations of the family without being used gives us another way to know how impressive Arthur Dayne was. My favorite fight scene from the show was the tower of joy fight hands down i wish we could have got a sword fight that a2esome between john amd the night king i was always hoping that somehow john would end up having fight the night king in single combat as like a last resort where the stakes are if john dies then tje rests of the living would for sure be killed by the army of the dead afterwards

  • @javiermateos4950
    @javiermateos49503 жыл бұрын

    Like always, fantastic content. Thanks LML!

  • @madelynmorgan2999
    @madelynmorgan29993 жыл бұрын

    i think ive said this before but it bears repeating - i really appreciate that you take the effort to put the title and artist of all the artwork in the actual video !

  • @brandonlambert9768
    @brandonlambert97683 жыл бұрын

    Yay, a new LML video; I was going through withdrawals.

  • @realworldforum
    @realworldforum3 жыл бұрын

    I know this has no relation with the topic of this video but I cam up with the idea that the gods of Valyria are in fact the nameless people from Asshai, which were people from the Empire of the Dawn(although at this point the great empire is broken). We even know their names(Balerion, Meraxes, Vhagar, Rhaenyra which are names of the Valyrian gods). Also I would like to know your opinion about the coming of the First Men. Do you think there is a relation between the coming of the First Men and The Empire of The Dawn? Andals migrated because they wanted to escape being enslaved by Valyria? I'm not saying it's the same thing for the First men , but they either escaped or fled from a dangedous situation. Then they came to Westeros, where there were already some people from The Great Empire (Daynes, Hightowers)

  • @johnmontag
    @johnmontag3 жыл бұрын

    I love these!!!! Thank you for making them :-)

  • @amandaofhouserobinson6707
    @amandaofhouserobinson67073 жыл бұрын

    Awesome as always!!! Thankyou !!!

  • @tct8284
    @tct82843 жыл бұрын

    "Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," I think Maggy the Frog meant Cersei's children will die as monarchs. I believe Darkstar killed Myrcella while she was a Queen, to Arianne's little group atleast, and Doran scarred Myrcella's cousin Rosalyn Lannister to pass her off to Balon. Myrcella died before Tommen in the show and I think that is something show got right.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, I mean Myrcella is alive according to the last ADWD Martell chapter we got, so unless her wound is infected or something, she’s just disfigured. But that plot to crown her might be resurrected; Obara and Darkstar both want to start a war

  • @tct8284

    @tct8284

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidLightbringer I mean your the expert but I hope your wrong hahaha :)

  • @tracymetherell8744
    @tracymetherell87443 жыл бұрын

    Dark Star for Sword of the Evening!

  • @EdgedShadow
    @EdgedShadow3 жыл бұрын

    Agree with some of the others on here that Doran is scheming and Darkstar didn't do anything to Myrcella. Has any reliable character even seen her? Do we know if she was really cut at all? I do agree w the overall idea of him stealing Dawn, but don't think he's quite as bad as Doran makes him out to be.

  • @arturwillow9108
    @arturwillow91083 жыл бұрын

    Gosh how I missed your / Quinn's uploads 😂got used to that August/Sept. frequency

  • @mattfoulgerBC
    @mattfoulgerBC3 жыл бұрын

    Just PayPal’d you. Was even easier than I expected. Keep up the good work

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey thanks Matt! I just got it :)

  • @Darksun93
    @Darksun933 жыл бұрын

    Another great video. Always enjoy your work.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate that

  • @InterestedAmerican
    @InterestedAmerican3 жыл бұрын

    Your analysis is solid in logic. I have to agree with your assessment in how Dawn gets to where it needs to be. As for fAegon - wouldn't it be necessary for those that know his true lineage to hunt down and kill the Mountain, so that no eyewitness will be alive that can bring doubt to fAegon's claims?

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    No I mean the cover story for fAegon being real is that they swapped some poor person's baby into Aegon's crib, so the Mountain will say he smashed a little baby either way. He's a silent zombie now anyway so it's a moot point

  • @InterestedAmerican

    @InterestedAmerican

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidLightbringer Yeah, since he can't argue the point linguistically, you're right. Perhaps I over thought it. And no one will believe Cersi or those with her no matter what they say, so "fAegon's in" for those that chose to believe the claims about him.

  • @yfullman
    @yfullman3 жыл бұрын

    I am Darkstraw and I am of the night. *slurp*

  • @acuteoctogon9303
    @acuteoctogon93033 жыл бұрын

    Great video really enjoyed the info, theories and fun jokes

  • @maatthecat3966
    @maatthecat39663 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant! Totally makes sense. Nice one, dude!

  • @JeremyIceAndFire33
    @JeremyIceAndFire333 жыл бұрын

    I like LML's reading voice I could listen to you & Quinn read chapters all day long, great vid 🔥

  • @riceburner26
    @riceburner263 жыл бұрын

    Haven't had a chance to blaze all day!! finally get home from work and what do I see??? A new LML video!! perfect time to roll one up and relax!! keep up the awesome work!!

  • @grahamthesexykid
    @grahamthesexykid3 жыл бұрын

    "... as she led the princess" im convinced it was a fake myrcella the real one is in the watergardens. darkstar is the new obyren working with doran. he slashed fake mrycella to teach arianne a lesson to not betray him in scheme like that.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    We’ll have to discuss this at the livestream in a few days!

  • @sophiawilson8696

    @sophiawilson8696

    3 жыл бұрын

    LoL that most crazy 😂 story I have ever heard.

  • @adamlewis9597
    @adamlewis95973 жыл бұрын

    just about to settle into bed with some good lemon ha.ze and this pops up. When lml couldn't treat us anymore. Glad your back!!!

  • @HiFiAwardTour

    @HiFiAwardTour

    3 жыл бұрын

    *You’re* you high bastard

  • @michaelsilver253

    @michaelsilver253

    3 жыл бұрын

    I mean lemon haze is no milk of the poppy

  • @nathand4276
    @nathand42763 жыл бұрын

    Love your work

  • @starwarfan8342
    @starwarfan83423 жыл бұрын

    Whether the dragon be black or red, it's still a dragon. There's no reason to call a Blackfyre a false dragon. Definitely pretenders to the throne, but no one could ever make the argument that they didn't have a legitimate blood claim.

  • @theplayasclub5948

    @theplayasclub5948

    2 жыл бұрын

    They was legitimatized and came from two Targaryens . And the mother of Daemon should have been named Queen after her two brothers death.

  • @roders125
    @roders1253 жыл бұрын

    So great. Thank you

  • @edpistemic
    @edpistemic3 жыл бұрын

    Like your commercial timings. So few KZreadrs bother. It's a very professional touch.

  • @archmaesterrenny9569
    @archmaesterrenny95693 жыл бұрын

    The Hammer and the Blade, chapter 1: Ned pulled his sword from its sheath, flipped it, and handed it to Gendry pommel first. “I hear you’re the finest smith in the seven kingdoms,” he said....

  • @the-real-Lovefist
    @the-real-Lovefist3 жыл бұрын

    The Hammer and The Blade indeed

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    This has to already exist somewhere

  • @alexandergangaware429

    @alexandergangaware429

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidLightbringer Finding it may be difficult; Shipping fanfic ain't my thing, but I've heard tell that you'll need to scroll through endless "Kirk helps Spock get in touch with his sensitive side" and "Draco teaches Ron his place in the class-order" stories to find The Hammer and the Blade.

  • @cameronjadewallace

    @cameronjadewallace

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'd read that fic super hard. I'll write it if I have to

  • @TheBrett1890
    @TheBrett18903 жыл бұрын

    You are thoroughly convincing, as always :D

  • @AverageAwesomeDude
    @AverageAwesomeDude3 жыл бұрын

    I also like the idea a post skip edric dayne being sword of the morning and later giving it to Jon somehow cause literally Neds his introduction in storm of swords is him telling Arya that he and Jon are milk brothers cause the same nanny breastfed them both

  • @dvrn86
    @dvrn863 жыл бұрын

    Would be an interesting story twist if Jon actually was a Dayne and gets named Sword of the Morning.

  • @andres983265
    @andres9832653 жыл бұрын

    Someone let me know when that Gendric comic becomes a real thing.

  • @bobbehwitchie
    @bobbehwitchie3 жыл бұрын

    YES! New LmL always makes me happy.

  • @danielbasich2729
    @danielbasich27293 жыл бұрын

    Such a fun video!

  • @TheBrett1890
    @TheBrett18903 жыл бұрын

    Bless you for including Gendric. BLESS YOU SIR!!!

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    equal opportunity shipping, yes

  • @yaboyed5779
    @yaboyed57793 жыл бұрын

    I really wanna see Darkstar and Lyn Corbray have a conversation 🤣🤣

  • @noobsmoke9258
    @noobsmoke92583 жыл бұрын

    Hey LmL, Scorpiax is here. I fully support your vision of Darkstar stealing Dawn and joining fAegon’s side. I also think that as fAegon’s Kingsguard Darkstar will be sent to Riverlands to hunt down BwB outlaws (who I think Jaime will join and eventually become its leader after Lady Stoneheart arc is complete). Jaime will become the new Smiling Knight (or Smiling Lion which has proof of him described as smiling in the text) who will engage Darkstar in a combat for several narrative reasons: 1) Darkstar serves fAegon regime which will do something nasty to Tommen and Myrcella and Lannister regime, I can feel it 2) Darkstar will be extremely ruthless to the smallfolk and his general behavior as Sword of the Evening, besmirching the honor of House Dayne and the memory of Arthur Dayne, Jaime’s mentor who gave him knighthood with the very same Dawn. I am afraid Darkstar might become a kinslayer if Edric Dayne will stand on his path to acquire Dawn. I think unlike the first encounter between the Smiling Knight and the Sword of the Morning, Jaime will win his battle as leader of BwB and take Dawn as his sword. Also, Brienne’s sigil of House Tarth showcases the possible transformation during dawn time. Another hint that Jaime will wield Dawn and then knight Brienne with the sword, paralleling his own knighthood by Dawn’s wielder. And of course, I fully support that Jon Snow is destined to wield Dawn in the pivotal battle against White Walkers. And I believe that transfer of sword Dawn will manifest between Jaime and Jon (who I believe are related as uncle and nephew through Targaryen line, but it is not proven yet), and as former Lord Commander of Kingsguard, a white cloak, passing Dawn and his symbolic mantle of protector of people and realm to by then former Lord Commander of Night’s Watch, a black cloak, is a nice symbolic arc. I think Beric Dondarrion’s season 7 and 8 arc is what I pretty much envision Jaime’s arc to be in the books for many reasons, except he will probably survive battle at Winterfell. Jaime will even have his own Clegane, Sandor, at his side as the head of BwB (and in the show, Sandor is by Beric’s side starting from end of season 6). Cersei/Gregor vs Jaime/Sandor parallel. Also, Jaime envisions wielding a burning blue flamed sword alongside Brienne. I know it is more symbolic than literal, but Dawn is the only sword that comes to my mind which will product such a light, not red and orange kind one. Truly honest, I think Jon’s Longclaw will get snapped like in Last Hero’s story when the night is darkest and undead enemies surround the living, so probably at this moment Jon somehow ends up with Dawn and saves the day. Whether he returns the sword to House Dayne is questionable (if House Dayne even exists by the end of the story) like his uncle Ned did, but my money is that he keeps the sword as his own even after his endgame exile to Night’s Watch. Just some food for thought.

  • @made-line7627

    @made-line7627

    3 жыл бұрын

    I like it, though having watched Preston's Riverlands videos, I tend to agree with him that the BWB is actually *assisting* the "Targaryen Restoration", by helping F/Aegon's conquest succeed. Other than that though, I really like your ideas

  • @isabellamego5321
    @isabellamego53213 жыл бұрын

    As always great theories. I can't wait for dark star's mythical astronomy treatment

  • @osoisko1933
    @osoisko19333 жыл бұрын

    This is just what I needed tonight.

  • @thelemmiebee
    @thelemmiebee3 жыл бұрын

    Darkstar Dawnstealer, awesome

  • @dalycedoes
    @dalycedoes3 жыл бұрын

    sounds like canon to me. great meta analysis. nice little teaser at the end!

  • @fistimusmaximus6576
    @fistimusmaximus6576 Жыл бұрын

    gives more meaning to sir arthur dane, as the sword was needed to defend the comming of john and then once he was birthed he passed.

  • @meglosthecaramacking
    @meglosthecaramacking3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. Really. Daynes and the Five Year Gap! Has someone been peaking at my Christmas Wish List?!

  • @therunningman_
    @therunningman_3 жыл бұрын

    Oh my god this is going to be fun

  • @Gaius1021
    @Gaius10213 жыл бұрын

    He’s back!!!

  • @jaypeezulieta2146
    @jaypeezulieta21463 жыл бұрын

    I think we are going to have both Darkstar and Edric in Winds. They are going to be simmillar to Jaime and Briene where some of Edric's kind heartedness will rub off on Darkstar.

  • @241pints
    @241pints3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent!

  • @rollyro71
    @rollyro713 жыл бұрын

    Yes!!!

  • @OntarioAtOrion
    @OntarioAtOrion3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video!!! [Gen-dric]

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ain’t nothing good gonna come from that JonCon hand of grey death, no sir

  • @OntarioAtOrion

    @OntarioAtOrion

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidLightbringer With whats going on in the world right now I could see GRRM throwing a plague in the mix just for fun, he enjoys that kind of turmoil haha!

  • @jamesbong1508
    @jamesbong15083 жыл бұрын

    Finally a fix I’ve been itching for more content like a real myth head

  • @jamesbarron7512
    @jamesbarron7512 Жыл бұрын

    GRRM likes his redemption arcs, and story echoes . Dark Star May steal Dawn do some terrible things in the process and then slowly redeem himself, perhaps in the end giving the sword to Jon

  • @Seuspesos
    @Seuspesos3 жыл бұрын

    Your intro song makes me feel like I've reached the absolute pinnacle of ASOIAF theories. The final stage.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Castle Aarrrggghhhhh

  • @catdaly737
    @catdaly7373 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I wonder how Dawn will be stolen and what its fate will be after it is used by Jon Snow. If Ned Dayne's original story was going to see him die so that Jon could have the sword, it makes me wonder if part of stealing Dawn will result in Ned dying or something happening to him. As for how the sword gets to Jon - that will be interesting. I think the most likely option is Dany having some vision to bring it with her north after she defeats the mummer's dragon. But I would think House Dayne would be very upset that their ancient heirloom was stolen and then stolen again off to the north. I wonder what implications that could have for the future of Dayne especially after Jon no longer needs the sword.

  • @tool9386
    @tool93863 жыл бұрын

    The wait from the last video felt like the wait for TWOW...almost.

  • @brettstevens7242
    @brettstevens72423 жыл бұрын

    Did Darkstar try to kill Marcella? Or did he really mark her? There were two Marcella's and now they can tell each other apart.

  • @made-line7627

    @made-line7627

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great point. Even if that wasn't his intention, now the distinction is possible

  • @brettstevens7242

    @brettstevens7242

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@made-line7627 Real Myrcella has 2 ears and now fake Myrcella is missing an ear/part of an ear/noticeable wound.

  • @melissaisloud7404
    @melissaisloud74043 жыл бұрын

    I find your intellect wildly attractive. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

  • @dothrakidani358
    @dothrakidani3583 жыл бұрын

    I 👏 FKN 👏 LOVE 👏 THIS 👏 thank you. love it...so much.

  • @Commanber
    @Commanber3 жыл бұрын

    I think it would be really weird if Jon were to receive Dawn. He was already given an ancestral Valyrian steel blade by Jeor Mormont, now he is supposed to get another legendary ancestral sword? This sounds really cheap to me and I don't think it will happen. I agree that Darkstar will acquire Dawn and it makes sense that he'll join fAegon and even his kingsguard but all that only for Jon to receive yet another cool sword? Nah. It's more likely imo that Darkstar will fight for fAegon in the civil war against Dany, maybe he'll even slay a dragon with Dawn and possibly he'll die but Jon really has no need of the sword. He has Longclaw, that should suffice.

  • @katiew.9973

    @katiew.9973

    3 жыл бұрын

    I mean, that opens up the possibility that Dany will get Dawn to wield it herself. A sword "sworn to protect" the Targaryen heir, then being used by the Targaryen heir herself to defend against the greatest threat the world has ever seen? Epic.

  • @ckesche4666

    @ckesche4666

    Жыл бұрын

    If Jorah Mormont gets to the wall like he did in the show he could wield Long Claw and Jon could need a new sword.

  • @Drew_Thompson
    @Drew_Thompson3 жыл бұрын

    what happened to Darkstar's parents? were they killed in a alleyway?

  • @T.GLongstaff
    @T.GLongstaff4 ай бұрын

    5:38 this picture right here has me laughing my ass off. The look on Edrics face is fucking hilarious. I picture him having mortys voice and saying ahh mr Dondarion sir are you are you still alive?? 🤣

  • @oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682
    @oxtheunlikelycontemplator26823 жыл бұрын

    So I have small theor of my own that I got the idea for one of the times you were talking about symbolic evidence. Do you think House Lannister will die out in the male line and be assimilated into other houses through the female line? After all most versions of Lann's story say he did this to Casterlys. And during their wars with Andals the reigning Lannister King had no male heirs and married his daughter to an Andal Lord on the provision that he take the name Lannister. What if the inverse happens to the sole surviving male Lannister at story's end. If this happened through a Stark marriage it would also be an inversion of what happened in the War of the Rose's with houses Lancaster assimilating the female line of House York. George actually fun house mirrors history like this a couple times the books.

  • @altinaykor364
    @altinaykor3643 жыл бұрын

    unpopular opinion Gerold Dayne,Darkstar is actually my guilty pleasure😁😁😁

  • @stupidhandles
    @stupidhandles3 жыл бұрын

    I still think we could see edric weild dawn (temporarily) and think it would be more poetic if he does. By the time the main battle with the others edric will be at least 16, too young to be named sword of the morning but old enough to swing dawn. I think darksar will steal dawn, edric will hear of it and be compelled to seek him out and reclam dawn for house dayne. Darkstar isnt going to be answering any call to battle against the others, so edric reclaiming dawn gives a narrative for dawn getting north. After reclaiming the sword edric years of the battle, and decides to head north, before he has time to take dawn to starfall (or possibly chose not to) and heads north with it, dies in battle where the sword passed on (to Mance who is really Arthur dayne .......[I know but that fight with Jon when glamoured as rattleshirt at castle black......]) Just my punt, but I can't see darkstar wanting to go north, and it ties up both characters stories in a poetic way, family betrayal settles, edric becomes sword of the mornings in all but name/retrospectively as he'll act with valour and honour his family, is acting as a sword of the morning. Edric has a better narrative to head north, perhaps linked to hearing of aryas return.

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    3 жыл бұрын

    I do think Edric could be involved in killing darkstar, yes. I like that idea. lot :) Ned killed Arthur, after all.

  • @andrzejkopalnia
    @andrzejkopalnia Жыл бұрын

    Hey guys, it's me again. Every time I come back to these my anticipation of TWOW goes through the roof. #IbelieveinGeorge ✊

  • @Willz828
    @Willz8282 жыл бұрын

    Two questions 1. Is edric (ned) dayne the current lord of starfall? 2. Who decides who is worthy to become sword of the morning?

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, and it’s unclear. The old ladies of castle Starfall? A supreme high council? Whoever is oldest? Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords? We have no idea

  • @Willz828

    @Willz828

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidLightbringer is there any symbolic "lady of the lake" figure that could give the sword to Jon? someone who is elfish in form I guess, maybe a child of the forrest in the gods eye, literally the center of a lake? I mean she was supposedly Lancelot's "fairy god mother" so to speak, so maybe someone like quaithe or another character who has that kind of role?

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dany. She'll het Dawn from defeating team fAegon, potentially. She was reborn from the sea. Mel does this for Stannis at Dragonstone, with Lightbringer planted in the surf

  • @marcuswynn89
    @marcuswynn893 жыл бұрын

    I would be interested to see parrells between dark star and the others

  • @jomeotrashgod1098
    @jomeotrashgod1098 Жыл бұрын

    Sword of the morning is what I call my morning wood

  • @saminator3563
    @saminator35633 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, convinced me even more that Jon is Asharas son and Faegon is the real Aegon (just dont know if hes Ellias or Lyannas son yet). Main reason I think Faegon is real is that chapter where JonCon seens Young Griff and him saying 'you have a fine castle' or whatever it was and lookung like his dad reminds JonCon of Rhaegar (who he loved).

  • @NotHere07
    @NotHere07 Жыл бұрын

    The actor of Aemond in HotD can pretty sure nail the role of Darkstar.

  • @shivvWhore
    @shivvWhore Жыл бұрын

    I actually predict that Ned Dayne WILL be the Sword of the Morning. I think Darkstar will steal Dawn and travel North to fight in the war for the dawn and he will die, possibly a heroic redeeming death but he will die nonetheless. Edric IS the Sword of the Morning, he has all the traits of a good knight, I know he's young but at this point in the story he has to be at least 15/16, that is old enough to weild the sword. If Rob can be King in the North at 16 then Ned Dayne can wield Dawn.

  • @margraveofgadsden8997
    @margraveofgadsden8997 Жыл бұрын

    I feel stupid for asking, but what is the intro music from? It sounds so familiar.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar23 жыл бұрын

    Darkstar - The edgiest of lords.

  • @Devoted2Mariah
    @Devoted2Mariah2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been down the rabbit hole.

  • @nicholasgrover1823
    @nicholasgrover18233 жыл бұрын

    I’m baked and this was amazing.

  • @10bunks12
    @10bunks12 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. If Jon does indeed get Dawn. Who gets longclaw? Or more so what was the narrative / plot behind Jon being given Longclaw up until that point? Is longclaw just a 1st level sword for Jon?

  • @DavidLightbringer

    @DavidLightbringer

    Жыл бұрын

    Jorah!!

  • @squidexorcist7564
    @squidexorcist75643 жыл бұрын

    I think it might be possible that Jon is actually the son of Ashara and Ned, while Daenerys is the daughter of Lyanna and Rhaegar. I know it sounds farfetched but there is evidence for it. So if the former is the case perhaps Jon will become the new sword of the morning and die to defend Daenerys much like his uncle did. Idk just thought that could be an interesting parallel

  • @user-ln7jw2qn6h
    @user-ln7jw2qn6h3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Dawn will come out to play before the end of the story, and it will all be because of Old Honorable Ned (Stark).

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