"Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer." -The Grand Nagus

@gabrielcaprav

7 жыл бұрын

You can never go wrong with Ferengi wisdom...

@TheJeanette53

5 жыл бұрын

Brad Grady I think it’s the other way around.

@p.bamygdala2139

3 жыл бұрын

Rule of Acquisition #208

0:00:30, "You can't do much carpentry with your bare hands, you can't do much thinking with your bare brain."! I like it.

@Lewa500

10 жыл бұрын

Long John You can't do much hog washing with your bare hands, you can't do much thinking with your bare brain.

@steveunderhill5935

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lewa500 is this one of those hypothetical rhetorical questions I’m supposed to answer anyways? Absolutely Yes!

I loved Dr. Daniel Dennett, very sad to hear about his passing, I would have loved to meet him, he was my absolute favorite, an intellectual giant, a legend, true sage, heard he was also very kind gentle person, huge loss to civilization, I will watch tons of his lectures in the next few weeks in his memory, I made a playlist of his lectures and interviews for myself to work through, listening to Dr Dennett lectures would be my idea of Heaven 1:18:49

I've struck cultural gold. How have I never heard of this bloke before today? Subbed and belled.

@hopestreet3452

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a year behind you, but just had the same thought :)

@justinlevy274

3 жыл бұрын

Read his books

"A thought, even a possibility, can shatter and transform us." - Nietzsche

@zetetick395

5 жыл бұрын

Can't make an omelette...

My god, those questions were so bad. Dennett is such a trooper.

@TimmyCommerford

5 жыл бұрын

just a souvenir:>

Great presentation, thanks for the upload.

I like the "opponent processes" way of working out strengths and weaknesses in ourselves. Dennett's explanation of how our eyes' neurons battle it out for dominance really brings home how we can use the opponent process in our lives.

@bobbobert9473

Жыл бұрын

Im sure you're a real delight to be around

Today we are over-saturated with raw data but very short on the kind of slow, deep, critical thinking that gets to real knowledge. In fact a lot of folks seem to believe that informatio is knowledge, it isn't.

@FakingANerve

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! 🍻

This video is life changing, thanks. You had me with the stat at 1:28. You are doing great work, thanks for sharing.

2:30, THANK GOD, someone who calls a hypothesis a hypothesis, instead of calling it a theory.

he looks like a santa dispensing knowledge rather than presents

@zetetick395

5 жыл бұрын

that's surely *my* kind of Santa! (Ding!)

@zetetick395

5 жыл бұрын

He actually looks a little bit Chuck Darwin to my eyes. (when he's in a certain light)

@DVFDrinkOrDie

5 жыл бұрын

the greatest gift of all

@HarryNicNicholas

4 жыл бұрын

merry christmas from a relative of santa

@HarryNicNicholas

4 жыл бұрын

@@zetetick395 maybe he will mutate at some point. i'm not sure his beak will stand the test of time.

He´s good. Knows what he`s talking about. That is why the audience is there. He is not a motivator. He is a Philosopher...making the subject popular for the likes of you and I to understand.

downloaded an app to your necktop. This man is so hip, i can totally relate to him through the power of his manner of speech!

Thank you.

its like listening to great music to hear this great mind.

So sad this brilliant mind is no longer with us.

@Life_42

13 күн бұрын

❤

A comment regarding the comparison of two lotteries (approx. 30:34 mins). One reason why "Lottery B" is unfair: The winning ticket is chosen out of all the tickets that have been printed and NOT out of the number of tickets sold. In reality, the number of tickets sold would be less than number of tickets printed. Hence, in "Lottery B" it is possible that the winning ticket may NOT have been sold to anyone!

The brain is orders of magnitude more complex than we thought it was a few years ago? Amazing. I always learn a bit of science from this Philosopher.

Dennett's 'surely' bell is a fantastic tool Surely Dennett is a Goliath among thinkers.

“The ‘surely’ alarm’ is a good one … what follows the ‘surely’ is a sentence that the author wants you to believe. It’s not so obvious that it goes without saying, if it were, it would go without saying. And here the author is putting it in, but not arguing for it. But getting by with a little nudge…have a ‘surely’ alarm. ” @14:07 - Daniel Dennett on Tools To Transform Our Thinking (Intuition Pumps)

'Really enjoyed Prof. Dennett's presentation. Stimulating like firing up a new set of muscle neurons, and awakening our senses in more ways than one; encouraging responsible, colorful, adventurous and life-affirming independent thought. Anyway, Fido 'n Fluffy would like to offer that ... paw pumps are pretty good, too! :D

One of his best talks. There's a lot I don't like about some of his theories, but this is very worthwhile.

@bobbobert9473

Жыл бұрын

Of course there's a lot you didn't like; how else could you walk away and still think you are smart?

Awesome! really fires up the last 5 or 6 questions

A comment regarding the need for human interaction for decision making and problem solving (approx. 1 hour 6 mins): If an individual were to see one's own flaws in endless loops, as individuals we would all be paralyzed! We will go into endless computations of finding flaws with our own thoughts, remain paralyzed and be devoured by a predator. For mere survival, we need to have some degree of certainty (even if it is a false one) to goad us into fight and/or flight and/or befriend decisions. Hence, nature's solution for improving our capacity for decision making and problem solving has been "human interaction".

@FakingANerve

2 жыл бұрын

It sounded like you were leading up to human intuition, the so-called gut feeling... but you ended up with "human interaction." That seems curious, because the more people involved in decision making, the more likely the decision making will be slowed down, from what I've seen. For problem solving, as you mentioned near the end, human interaction certainly accelerates results, but I'm not sure it accelerates decision making. If that were the case, I don't think we would see leadership positions so prevalent in society. The endless loop scenario you mentioned at the start is a really interest observation. We really do need some sort of blinders, eh? Crippling anxiety would ensue otherwise. 😬 *edit: I just reread your comment and saw that problem solving was at the top as well. Whoops! Anyways, cheers.

11:52 around where the Tools start.

loved this

the invaluable of this , tells you something valuable

playing this at 1.25 speed is a good tool.

@KinnArchimedes

3 жыл бұрын

Is it a good pump though?

Cenk Uygur: Master of the "surely" alarm! (14:15)

@lukewalker7412

7 жыл бұрын

oh you mean that tool

@jonathansebo5800

5 жыл бұрын

Accurate.

There are people that remember being born or being very young and that requires conceptual thought. I remember back to when I was 3 years old. I remember moving into the house we were at and more. I think in concepts and put it into several languages that I know.

Just stumbled across your channel mate, absolutely love the content. Liked straight away, We should connect!

Dennett's fantastic, never has a dull lecture or interview. I disagree regarding teaching someone a sense of humor, I think it is possible. It depends greatly on the person's desire to learn, just as it does with teaching someone how to walk again, or how to speak again after brain damage. Doctors always boldly declare the impossibility of both those examples as well, yet it has been done repeatedly. Most people with no sense of humor don't want one. If you analyze the personalities of people, compare them to what they laugh at, then draw a contrasting relationship from that information, it will show why they laugh. Usually people do not laugh at jokes that reflect personal flaws, habits, or views they take seriously. Observing people can reveal what they take to heart, & what is superficial to them. We all notice it when it happens. We just don't connect it to this endeavor. Mostly we laugh at shared experiences, frustrations, or personal gripes. Sociopaths have several key traits, one being they can not relate to others. Noticing their flat, fake, or forced attempts to do so is what often reveals their condition to those who interact with them. I have yet to find a study attempting to figure out how many people with no sense of humor actually suffer from the same conditions sociopaths possess which prevent them from relating. If there is a real block or inability like a handicap that would be different,& cause me to agree they can not be taught. I am sure I could phrase it better, but it is not impossible to figure out. We as humans have unraveled much harder mysteries. A.I. question: I have not updated myself to the recent breakthroughs, they may have tackled the major problem stunting the inferred branch. Every case where they started with all known information has resulted in the machine committing suicide. Whenever it was not physically able to kill itself, it had a mental breakdown that essentially fried its brain. It was the primary argument between the two approaches, & thus caused the split into two branches. Giving the A.I. a blank slate, with only an ability to learn from experience never resulted in this behavior. I always found this fact to be extremely fascinating. Michio Kaku discusses the issue in his book, 'Visions.' When Mr.Dennett talks about the vast number of astrocytes, & the impossibility of creating every one of them, it should also be possible to solve. Don't try creating every single neuron, synapse, & astrocyte but rather instruct the machine how to build/grow them on its own with nanotechnology. It is very similar to teaching the machine how to learn from interacting with its environment, instead of starting with all known information. We just need to think outside of the box. Perhaps I am wrong on both accounts, but they seem very plausible to me based on the present knowledge. I'm not factoring in future technology, & its exponential growth.

@BarbaraMerryGeng

5 жыл бұрын

Samon Roladex / Sorry, I didn’t read your lengthy support comment. I just remember going to the movies or comedy club, and everyone laughing, except me, Today, I definitely can laugh at films & in live situations. I don’t know when I made the transition, it was after I worked through my anxiety ..

@florindacar8659

3 жыл бұрын

better start it since childhood. Personally, I don't understand people without any sense of humor. But rarely we can meet people who see almost all the time smth funny in everything with different levels (3-5)/sides of fun.

32:58 aka "Is it worth it, let me work it. I put my thing down, flip it and reverse it."

Great man!

46:00 on the ball exactly my thoughts @ the beginning otherwise quite an interesting and intellectual lecture enjoyed it

What is so very interesting about Dennett is that while his deterministic philosophy is the basis for a strongly espoused atheism, his reasoning and arguments tend to be oriented toward belief in principles that are very similar to religious principles. Philosophical discourse has the main purpose of generating further philosophical discourse, i.e., philosophy does not resolve issues but rather illuminates them. Religious discourse also does not resolve issues, but just illuminates them and generates further religious discourse. While Dennett believes in a world where there is only one possible future that is completely determined by past actions, he argues that the complexity of the world precludes ever knowing exactly what that one possible future is. As a result, even though there is a determinate future, we must always act as if there were many possible futures and is up to us to choose a desirable future from all of those possibilities. Therefore, we do have an effective free will and are therefore responsible for our actions, and these concepts of free will and justice are also the basis of religious belief. Dennett defines intuition pumps as short stories or fables that show various kinds of useful principles or morals for human behavior. Such are the tools of thought. Although he never mentions religious scriptures as being intuition pumps, ancient stories from religions do seem to be intuition pumps. Thus Dennett's intuition pumps seem to provide all of the conveyances of religious belief but without the guy in the sky...Instead of the guy in the sky, you just have to believe that Dennett has the right answers, which happen to be mostly the same answers as the guy in the sky.

@timanderson1054

5 жыл бұрын

He is not totally deterministic and his philosophy includes a lot of science that is not religion at all. He talk sabout the idea of God being a valid idea, but not a reality. The history and philosophy of science does indeed resolve the egocentric nature of religion. Do you not know that Copernicus showed in 1543 that the earth is just another planet, not the centre of the universe. Why don't you acknowledge that Darwin and Wallace showed in 1859 that there is no such thing as the Biblical view that man was made in God's image. Why don't you know that Crick and Watson in 1953 discovered DNA showing that evolution is true, all life is related, we had a common ancestor with monkeys. Why do you ignore all the evidence including Miller 1953 that complex life forms from simple chemical beginnings? Science shits all over religion everyday, you cling to an idea that history of science and philosophy has illuminated as being wrong, wrong and wrong again.

Whoever you are who can't sleep tonight, is tired or sad, believe that there will be tomorrow that will light up your beautiful days. You just need to endure a little more, a little more, and a little more ... Thank you for being patient, thank you for being able to survive. And as you read this, promise yourself that you will be able to get through your toughest days in the future. Promise to keep smiling, no matter how you are ... You deserve to be happy :)

Phhew! Thanks, that was a close one!

The times article mentioned references a study in which reaction times was used, to depict a historical measure of intelligence. Considering differences in lifestyles it does carry a bit of uncertainty to say the least.

I just downloaded an app to your necktop...

@shnedergaard

9 жыл бұрын

drevilatwork surely you have...

@CWilliamsPaul

9 жыл бұрын

Lol hilarious

@firstlight7183

6 жыл бұрын

lmao

@zetetick395

6 жыл бұрын

+S. H. Nedergaard _Ding!_

The maket trend can turn around very quickly. In fact, the indexes often switch from a bear market to a bull market when the news is at its worst and the mood of investrs is at its lowest point. I read an article of people that grossed profts up to $150k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?

@lucianoboccedi

Жыл бұрын

The stock market rally is still in force, but the major indexes, sectors and especially leading stocks are prone to reversals. I recommend you seek the guidance a broker or financial advisor.

@ayamblaze8924

Жыл бұрын

I agree, having a brokerage advisor for inveesting is genius! Not long ago amidst the pandemic crash in March 2020, I was really having inveesting nightmare prior touching base with a advisor. In a nutshell, i've accrued over $550k with the help of my advisor from an initial $120k investment thus far.

@ayamblaze8924

Жыл бұрын

@@hushbash2989 Personally I work with Eleanor Annette Eckhaus a registered Investment advisor. Quite renowned, search her name to get in touch.

@selenajack2036

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this tip. it was easy to find Eleanor Annette your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her résumé.

Watched all of it 1:18:38

If it helps to clarify my position I would say that words like: consciousness, intelligence, thinking, mind, etc. do not merit any special property by fiat, rather any property should be conferred by virtue of their definitions. I am against philosophical zombies being a valid argument for discourse, since I can say that a zombie is not "alive", but I can also argue that this zombie is composed of living cells(which is the definition of being a living organism/alive).

I'm a slow genius.

@bruceruttan60

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, genius is simply faster processing. At least in most cases.

@zetetick395

5 жыл бұрын

Or the ability to make new useful tools Tools that may shed fresh light on other useful tools that we already use.

Someone telling you they've cracked the fate vs free-will problem should set off loud alarms.

@frilansspion

7 жыл бұрын

and what problem is that? Im pretty sure people dont believe in the fates any more...at least so they claim.

@kleinbottled79

7 жыл бұрын

Literally google fate vs free will problem and start reading. It's a multi-thousand year old debate for a reason.

@frilansspion

7 жыл бұрын

no thanks. Im pretty sure theres no tapestry with all the future information in the universe on it

@kleinbottled79

7 жыл бұрын

If you think that's as deep as the arguments supporting the determinist side go. Your ignorance is on display for all to see. If you are picking on my use of the word fate instead of determinism; haha good one sport - you really got me there! You sure are a clever boy!

@frilansspion

7 жыл бұрын

no, not on your choice of word. but thats whats it amounts to for something to be determined is it not? you seem to have a lot of respect for the same ancient concept, thats what I meant. that things happen in just one way in the end would be true with determinism or without it, as Dennett says. how is it determined though? is that information? what do you call your tapestry?

What a wise and smart mammal. Amazing.

brilliant...

Consciousness is not understood by anyone yet, so to state any absolutes about consciousness is just guessing. Theories are fine, but my issue with Dennet is that he states his theories as absolutes.

Would love to see Harris v Dennett on free will.

@ductuslupus87

10 жыл бұрын

I would pay to see that. We've got to get this going.

@JoelJoel321

10 жыл бұрын

How would we achieve such a thing?

@JoelJoel321

10 жыл бұрын

Well Dennett seems to be saying that there is free will, whereas Harris says there is not. It would be, no doubt, somewhat semantic, but I'd like to see them go head to head. Does such a thing already exist somewhere?

@ahkeelyu

10 жыл бұрын

JoelJoel321 I think they agree on the facts of the situation. They both agree to determinism, right? If that's the case then all they would have for discussion is the semantic meaning of free will.

@rileykaiseeker4294

9 жыл бұрын

If you go on Sam Harris' website, they had a written debate and you can read their back and forth. Sam really wanted a live debate in front of an audience, he said it would be far more productive. Dennett refused :( Personally, i'm with Sam.

Does anybody have a link to that peanut comic mentioned in 13:50?

thanks for sharing iqsquared

I've noticed a lot of people who like Dennett for his stance on religion tend to tacitly accept his theory of consciousness without stopping to think about how batshit insane it is. When I studied philosophy at Penn his ideas were always presented to the class as a counterpoint to ones that made more sense. No one in the department took him seriously.

@CampingforCool41

8 жыл бұрын

+Steve Connolly What in his theory of consciousness is insane?

@steveconnolly9585

8 жыл бұрын

+CampingforCool41 In a nutshell, he doesn't think consciousness exists. I've never understood how he gets away with this. I just found this little exchange between Dennett and John Searle while googling that's really interesting. Searle says it better than I could: "I regard his view as self-refuting because it denies the existence of the data which a theory of consciousness is supposed to explain." www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/12/21/the-mystery-of-consciousness-an-exchange/

@CampingforCool41

8 жыл бұрын

Nothing I have ever seen or heard of Dennet has suggested to me that he literally doesn't believe consciousness exists in some sense, only that it doesn't work the way we FEEL it works, that is, we are not the authors of our consciousness. Unless I'm missing something, it seems that Searle is misunderstanding.

@frilansspion

8 жыл бұрын

+CampingforCool41 yeah isnt it incredible how people hear "illusion" or "trick" and then just stop listening and go off into space.

@GRYL180

7 жыл бұрын

Steve Connolly He gets away with it because he's dogmatic and people worship his philosophy. Didn't need more than 10 minutes to detect his bullshit. One actually needs consciousness to even pose the question of its existence. Questions are asked by askers.

What do you think did Goethe mean by saying: "When ideas fail, words come in very handy."?

@yatinsingh963

3 жыл бұрын

Sir Wilhelm i think ‘when ideas don’t achieve their objective, words can.’

Just because no one knew about it doesn't mean there was no predisposition to metabolize citrate. It clearly did not take much variation for that to be possible. That is ok, you can answer what you want and leave the other issues unanswered.

Smarter is how you think and not what you think ,more obvious than evident usually

Dennett's critique of determinism appears to stem from its lack of positive social utility; it produces negative behaviours. I would argue that the social consequences of one argument or another is irrelevant to the truth value of the arguments. Neuroscience has provided evidence that actions originate before the conscious feeling of agency, and nothing that Dennett says in this lecture comes within arm's length of countering that evidence.

Paper and pencil makes you smarter. (think about it)

It is the written directives that direct everything in the life form and it is the preexisting Word that spoke those original directives for each kind into being because no physical thing can.

Your comment has changed my life

You're argument for free will @ 28:27 is the same argument religions use. You're saying people who have been told they don't have freewill are worse off but this has nothing to do with whether or not it's true.

@craigbrownell1667

6 жыл бұрын

It would be *impossible* for them to be worse off. After all, the acquisition of this knowledge that freewill is an illusion was predetermined to occur. So it cannot be the case that they are worse off than if they'd not been told, because by definition, *they could not have not been told.*

@Exit_Sign

3 жыл бұрын

He never said that's an argument for free will... in fact, he believes free will NOT to be true...

Finally a scientist that says....on min 50:20 I do not know.....I have no idea. There is HOPE after all. As we do not know everything.....Theory of everything.............wohooo

@Matthew-ve7uv

9 жыл бұрын

Scientists always say they don't know everything.

@violetaciorita3625

9 жыл бұрын

Who did?

@Matthew-ve7uv

9 жыл бұрын

violeta ciorita Who did what? You mean which scientists say we don't know everything? Throw a rock in the air, you'll hit one -- they all say that

@violetaciorita3625

9 жыл бұрын

The rock is to big for me to lift it. Any names?

@Matthew-ve7uv

9 жыл бұрын

violeta ciorita Richard Dawkins. You got any counter-examples?

Brilliant then; a year ago, and NOW, outstanding Today! It needed time to explore and experiment on social cognition with slow thinking. (Dr Daniel Kahneman) thinking fast thinking slow explains it well in his book, however, with the present time his extended work is most Timely. Thank you very much.

@lizgichora6472

2 жыл бұрын

AI is possible Today and is making everything feasible.

24:30 a display of the power of words.

With all of the so called highly intelligent people in the world one would think the status quo would be significantly better than it is.

@iamprogress6862

7 жыл бұрын

Surely the intellectuals can create way to outperform fools.

@RumbleFish252

7 жыл бұрын

Imagine if these billionaire quasi-politicians like George Soros, were donating millions to science, and for research against institutions built on superstitions - it would be a very different world. Instead Soros, the globalist fool, is donating millions to target and silence "anti-Islamic" voices, and to plant Muslims trained specifically to talk to the media. Hell the media itself contributes to this. Money and politics talk louder than intellectuals.

@bighands69

7 жыл бұрын

There has been a population expansion in Asia and africa in the last 100 years that is still ongoing and part of that is poverty and poor education. This has led to us believing that the world is a worse place and hence a feeling of status quo not actually changing.

This talk was fine up until he tried to make the claim free will exists, purely on the basis that he thinks it's psychologically damaging to just know in reality it does not. that's not an intellectually defensible position.

@Ikaxas

7 жыл бұрын

That wasn't his argument. He was arguing that, if we have free will, it is dangerous to say that we don't. His (not particularly strong) arguments for free will came in the next two slides, in the form of showing that a deterministic world is no more unfair than an indeterministic one. I don't think his aim was to convince the audience that free will exists, as evidenced by the fact that he admits that he probably hasn't persuaded most of the audience of that. He realizes it would take much more time than he has to convince people of that, so he didn't really try, he was only using several arguments related to free will as examples of intuition pumps.

@Drew15000

6 жыл бұрын

Have you never heard of compatibalism? Claiming that free will doesn’t exist because of an imaginary demon like Sam Harris and his ilk do is the real indefensible position and more actual philosophers need to call them out on that bullshit because like Dennet said it is damaging people.

@TheFuzzician

5 жыл бұрын

What is free will anyways? Why is everyone banging on about it? Even if we don't have.....whatever this magical quality is, what does it matter? We understand that our actions have consequences, and we understand that we need checks and balances against our own irrationality. None of this changes with the revelation that there is no free will (whatever the definition). In fact, it could be a positive announcement, as long as we don't react to this like complete idiots. When you see, say, a drug addict, the fact that there is no free will means you can look at what is essentially a victim of unfortunate genes/upbringing/culture etc... and not as someone who has failed to make right choices. We can learn new things, and this informs our behavior. We understand that actions have consequences. Even if, in theory, you cannot hold people morally responsible (because they "didn't have a choice"), the existence of punishments for crime will in fact change how people act.

Interesting tidbit about the Anatomy of Violence paper that links psychopaths with temp workers! Regarding the 42m mark where it's mentioned that glial cells outnumber neurons 10:1, there was a great Scientific American post in June 13, 2012 that suggests it's much closer to 1:1. There was also a great debate between Dan and Sam Harris entitled 'Free Will Revisited'!

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." - Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

tools to transform your thinking = psychedelics

IQ has not increased, only the ability to process more information, which may make it necessary to slow one's thinking. Fundamentally humans have not advanced intellectually since the stone age. Our evolutionary mental maxim has been achieved but not our capacity to store and sort information. people still put belief above untenable facts, that is primitive thinking. Putting emotions before logic is also primitive thinking and is universal except for purposeful critical thinkers who are social seen as outsiders. Neanderthal hit an evolutionary thought capacity wall and failed to advance, we humans have done that too. If people were smarter more of us would put logic and reason ahead of emotions, feelings and blind reactionary responses. That so many believe in some form of spiritualism demonstrates that we only have one toe outside our primitive mindset cave. When critical thinking becomes the social norm and faith systems are laughed at, I will accept that IQs are gaining , but all I see is that information storage has increased. Critical thinking is still socially unacceptable. People still vote against their own best interests because authoritarians say too. Sociopaths and psychopaths still rule over us. The masses still rather believe than know. What Voltaire said is still true, the masses are stupid.If IQ is gaining then propaganda and bad leadership would fade to dust. But rather we have Trump running for president--how is that intelligent?

@bikefarmtaiwan1800

7 жыл бұрын

I think you are right about much of what you say but does that not lead to a sad conclusion about the human race? Looking at IQ is just looking at human ability from one direction and not in too much detail at that. I would appear that human abilities are far wider ranging than the IQ test can probe. Too true, that many people with so much more access to information seem to be getting dumber and perhaps it is because they lack the discipline for rigorous thought. This is a problem of will not ability. Belief is a difficult thing to judge human abilities by as it is essential for us to have some kind of belief in certain things to function as a complex society. Some people energetically believe in one religion or another but this does not single them out as stupid people on its own. It appears to me that both the complexity of our social system and the natural deference to a position of diffused responsibility has precipitated the political upheaval we see all over the Western world. Thinkers like yourself can't get ideas sensibly considered and debated maybe mostly because of the disruption common sense would cause to the "ruling" classes. I enjoyed reading your comment.

@atheist1855

7 жыл бұрын

Denett knows very little about the brain..his friend Dawkins knows zero... I have spent my life researching the brain...35 years in the lab...the brain is amazing...extremely complex...we know that...we observe it...but don t understand it...every brain is unique...it is not possible to program it..like a super computer...that s is atheist propaganda...the brain is unpredictable...Sam Harris book...free will is an illusion...is fiction. ridiculous...Dennet has no clue how the brain really works...Harris does..but he has an agenda... Science has no agenda...neither do I...god...religion..atheism..mean zero... You seem to have an agenda...say people are stupid who support Trump...well...I actually don t like him...or Hilary Clinton...I like Bill Clinton...but I know many people who support Trump..who are extremely intelligent... I am not religious at all....85% of the people are christians, etc. many intelligent people among them...geniuses, etc. they believe without proof...we all do...every human does... The bible is just a book...many lies in it...BS Dawkins writes novels...many lies in them..BS...many atheists believe in them...in his speeches full of lies..so...conclusion...there is a sucker born every minute...there are many millions...85% buy BS bibles..15% buy BS atheist fiction...plenty of intelligent and morons in both camps... Marketing works...Sam Harris has 8 staff....6 are market...image...experts...he is a money making machine... Benny Hinn, etc. fill stadiums...60 000...sell millions of books....BS sells...the tabloids..sell 10 x more than regular newspapers...people like gossip...excitement....controversy...Einstein loved it...he was a genius...

@majmage

7 жыл бұрын

*+Rachel Thompson* Yeah I agree with the vast majority of what you've said here. I'm curious if your comment about Neanderthals is backed by evidence. My assumptions (based on little knowledge or evidence) was that they were simply forcibly replaced by homo sapiens in the areas where they lived, causing their extinction. (But that wouldn't mean their mental capacities had _stopped_ advancing, it just means a more dominant species supplanted them while they were still advancing.) But again, I claim no particular expertise on the matter which is why I'm curious if your comment comes from greater expertise.

@majmage

7 жыл бұрын

*+Tony Scienceismylife* Have any evidence to back up your claims? Regarding her Trump comment, does it make it less of an agenda if you know that the implication of Trump voters being stupider is objectively true? www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ (Note that the gap between well-educated and poorly-educated voters is greater for Trump's supporters than any election of the past ~36 years) These aren't just random baseless claims being made. The evidence backs it up. Trump voters actually _are_ less educated, and in that respect stupider.

@atheist1855

7 жыл бұрын

Maj Magister I could not care less about Trump...or his supporters... ...or that issue in general.....at all......it s an election...the USA is a mess....the people don t like the mess....period.... My only concern is about science....religion is irrelevant....so is Dawkins.....a charlatan.... evidence...? His fiction novels...worthless to science...his staged...charade debates...for profit...I saw the rehearsals..a circus... ...not one of his ideas....ever made it to a science textbook...

Made of and made by are two very different things. Elements are not able to significantly sequence themselves, without being directed.

A thought provoking talk. Anyone bought his book? Did you get smarter after reading?

I see no reason to believe that consciousness is reducible to the brain. There is no scientific evidence for this belief, nor is it the most parsimonious explanation of our experience.

@LordSpongy

8 жыл бұрын

+AnduinX BYM Let me fix that for you. "I have not studied the brain sufficiently enough to understand if there is a direct correlation between consciousness and the processes of the brain (there is). I do not know if there is scientific evidence (there is) for this belief (fact), nor do I intend to educate myself." There ya go.

@anduinxbym6633

8 жыл бұрын

LordSpongy What a mature way to begin a debate. I can already tell that this one is going to be a real winner. Believe it or not, I am well aware of the correlations that exist between mind and brain. These correlations do not demonstrate that consciousness is reducible to the brain. The idea that consciousness is reducible to the brain is just one of many tenable explanations. It is not even the most parsimonious explanation for consciousness, so I see no reason whatsoever to default to it. If you believe otherwise, then it is you who needs to educate yourself in philosophy of mind.

@LordSpongy

8 жыл бұрын

AnduinX BYM I am not here to debate you. I was here to correct you. Like a teacher does to a small child. I didn't read past the first 2 lines and I won't be responding to you further.

@anduinxbym6633

8 жыл бұрын

+LordSpongy _"I am not here to debate you. I was here to correct you. Like a teacher does to a small child."_ Of course not, engaging in debate might actually expose your lack of knowledge in this subject. _"I didn't read past the first 2 lines and I won't be responding to you further."_ Why does it not surprise me that you did not read past the first 2 lines? Naturally I expected to find arrogant materialists in a Daniel Dennett video, but I expected them to put up more of a fight than this. I am disappointed.

@anduinxbym6633

8 жыл бұрын

Lazy Jester My razor is not dull. There is no reason to default to physical explanations.

iq is going up because increase in disorder

@zetetick395

5 жыл бұрын

All Hail Eris! \o/

Forgive me for being somewhat dull, but how exactly did the discussion become politics/sociology on a board for a video lecture on cognition?

i like the way he thinks :)

To hell with Plato's cave! It influenced some of the most idiotic statements about physics and geometry in the history of mankind, which ultimately stunted our growth for centuries to come.

@bradgrady7497

10 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to agree, but how so? What are you talking about?

@Lewa500

10 жыл бұрын

***** Before I answer, I'd like to apologize - it's not geometry, it's just physics. Now then - he is the father of idealism, which ultimately influenced a lot of theology and early natural philosophy. Although Plato and Aristotle were worlds apart in their understanding of reality, ultimately what happened was that dominant Western cultures adopted the worst ideas from both of them - Plato's ideal forms and Aristotelian physics.

@bradgrady7497

10 жыл бұрын

Lewa500 Yeah ok. That was sort of what I thought. You mentioned geometry earlier. Perhaps you could have said mathematics. Take someone like John Lennox, he believes that mathematics exists objectively, is more than conceptual and is a proof of the existence of God. Some parts of Western Culture still equivocate and obfuscate. Such as the concept of First Cause. The only important part to them is the "first cause" simply because it sounds like that is what God would be. But obviously if everything has a first cause then even that first cause has a cause otherwise it becomes a fallacy. The only way the First Cause concept works properly is when it is used in a context. That is, to study a phenomenon we may only need to go back only just far enough to understand it... like we don't need to know physics to understand biology but chemistry is essential.

@Lewa500

10 жыл бұрын

***** Precisely, although I wouldn't have said mathematics either. Math and geometry was, metaphorically, the language of the ancient world, despite the occasional hiccups.

@bradgrady7497

10 жыл бұрын

Lewa500 I'm under the impression that mathematics is still the language of the world. At least the only universal language. But perhaps what I'm trying to say that physics is the language of the world.

These notions are invaluable.

Great

Power of brain speaks more in true sense.

on art and science: as Dennet remarks, these are typically conceived of as opposites, but there is, waiting to be discovered, a science of art. Because "science" just means "knowledge"; so knowledge of why art is appreciated would be its science. Ramachandran has made a start on figuring this out. Us non-scientists only imagine art and science to be different because we are aware that we find science dull, dry and rational, whereas art is exciting and emotional. Only scientists find science exciting.

I didn't say the life form "made itself," only that a change occurred allowing a new ability (and they found specific genetic markers allowing it that were not in the original sample), and that, therefore, evolutionary change occurs. The existence of marine fossils on mounts is to be expected given plate tectonics, and not consistent with a 40-day flood because, for one, there's not enough water on the planet, and two, high altitudes are poor environments for fossilization to occur.

What book is he talking about that tells about register programming?

17:30 about what book is he talking?

Telling people that free will is an illusion and seeing them act badly after that, does not mean that free will is not an illusion.

He looks like one of my old colleagues who was grandfather of computing in our department

Brilliant! Thank you.

Actually Gaudi was mimicing nature. It was a stylistic feature of his works.

In my experience creationists suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, a phenomenon where people who lack competence in a subject tend to overestimate their abilities in that field. The quote highlights the difficulty of engaging people suffering from that effect.

Fuck yes! I'm slightly below average IQ and I've been arguing this for some time now. I've been calling it, externalizing intelligence. A more intelligent person can reason a set of tools that a less intelligent person can utilize to become more intelligent. This set of intelligence tools can be central to our education, if we don't learn them, we're voluntarily forsaking intelligence we have access too.

@jonwolynies7465

2 жыл бұрын

At least your spelling and grammar are vastly better than 90% of typical commentators.

I -love- the poetry of the MacCready explosion quote :)

You overlook one detail, that what we believe is true. Objects cannot make you, without being directed. It is the facts that are sacred. You need to prove objects made you, before you can say they did. Knowing the truth is knowing science. Knowing the truth of your Maker is the highest form of science there is.

1:04:00 I learned humor. I'm not using it now, but I assure you I worked hard to get it. In trying to explain it I also find myself at a loss for words.

The part about the "surely" alarm, for some reason, reminds me of every argument I have ever heard coming from William Lane Craig.

@st_augustinus

7 жыл бұрын

yep, the 1st premise of kalam. so meny people fell for this trap... it's simply debunked. causality is inferred from examples through induction, and induction is a flawed method. we see white swans, but have no right to say there is no black swan

@aristotle4048

7 жыл бұрын

William Lane Craig is a very good example I must say haha

It is not an assumption that objects cannot make you, without being directed. It is an observation. If you think objects can make a directed working mechanism, you have to prove it before you can say it because it has never been observed. You can only go by the observable evidence there is.

@20:21 Dan Dennett makes a categorical error in assuming there is no designer of the termite mound, what precludes large insect biomes from engaging in the innate practice of the ramifications of mathematical form...., In fact Gaudi did not design the Sagrada Familia by drawing it, he used weights and parabolic strings to mimic mathematical function, also on the endeavor of the project to the size of the termite and the human respectively, both "mounds" are quite impressive.

You need to listen.

Free will is a complex discussion.

Im not sure of the names of the particular studies, but I have read a few studies that suggest people often act worse when told they do not have free will. You should also read his books Elbow Romm,and Freedom Evolves, that is, if you already havn't read them.

Can't you just apply the Turing test to the quality of "understanding"? Are "understanding" and a simulation of "understanding" indistinguishable? I am looking up at what exactly is the 'systems reply' solution to the chinese room.