The Ukraine crises taught China one thing. Increase your nuclear arsenal as soon as possible because if China has enough nuclear weapons the US dare not fight against China directly.

@aslampervez2294

Жыл бұрын

Nuclear submarine loaded with nuclear weapons are very I'm

I find this utterly fascinating. Really appreciate this being public.

10:00 Is that Donkey Kong in back of that guy? I expect to see Mario go running up through there any second.

Striking other US installations in the area would seem to be mandatory to diminish US response in initial engagements.

Wow this was surprisingly cogent. I'm amazed. And you even partnered with NBC and it was still good.

I'm going to play along here in the comments section as I watch the video: Move #1 - Red Team (11:04) Question: "If you were Chinese military planners would you have decided to pre-emptively strike US bases at the beginning of the conflict?" Answer: - Yes. However, I would have conducted a much more extensive attack on US targets. My goal would be to destroy the US capacity to respond as best as possible, to the point where they would have organise a response all the way from the continental US. Basically, forcing them as to be as geographically far away from Chinese territory as possible. - Like Red Team, I would also attack US bases in the Blue Team’s Asian allied countries. Though, I would also order missile strikes on all US air, naval and marine bases located throughout the Pacific including in Hawaii and Alaska but not in the lower 48 states. - Additionally, I would strike non-US air and naval bases within those same Asian allied countries to prevent Blue Team from using them as backup bases for US forces. - I would also locate whatever carrier groups are in the Pacific (whether sailing or at port) and launch missile barrages against them in an attempt to overwhelm their anti-missile defenses and sink the carriers themselves. - I would move to knock out the GPS system and other US military satellites with the intension of destroying US capability for reconnaissance and navigation. - Regarding the invasion of Taiwan, I would conduct it exactly the same way as Red Team in the actual game. But, I would also move to seize the Ryukyu Islands from Okinawa to Amami and then work my way through the other Japanese islands to the south. Comment: I don’t understand why Red Team would attack bases in Guam, a US territory, if they wanted to avoid a war with the US. As I see it, this would automatically put the two at war regardless of an official declaration from either side. Move #2 - Blue Team (24:29) Question: “If you were US military planners at the pentagon or at Indo-Pacific command is this the course of action that you would have taken um and is this what you would have decided to do especially after US territory had just been attacked?” Answer: - No. I would have focused on the larger war with China and launched missile strikes on their mainland including air, naval, army bases, major ports/ airports, major industrial centers and of course as many missile sites as is feasible. If there were missiles to spare then those would be used to target the Chinese invasion forces/ fleet heading to and already in Taiwan, but it would be my secondary goal. - Meanwhile, I would immediately move to invoke Article 5 of NATO and whatever other defense treaties outside of NATO that Blue Team could call upon. - I would then gather the closest 1/3 of the carrier groups (with the other 2/3 in reserve) to China and move them towards the Chinese striking a balance between speed and caution as I would want to avoid losing carriers to Chinese missile barrages before they can be utilized in combat. - Included with the naval response would be full blown submarine warfare with the Chinses navy, however, I would have several nuclear missile armed subs hidden near the Chinese coast ready to launch a nuclear attack if necessary. - Next, I would immediately begin using local workers to rebuild the bases in Asian allied countries that were hit by Chinese missile strikes and move all surviving Blue Team forces/ equipment in those countries to whatever other bases are available and try to operate from there. - Because Hawaii and Alaska were not hit to the point of being knocked out, the US military would be mobilized and much of it would be shifted to those states (and allied countries where possible) as staging grounds for a much larger military response or invasion. - I would also work towards gaining air superiority over allied Asian airspace and the sea between those allies and the Chinese coast. - Finally, I would send long range bombers and strike planes from North America and/ or European countries to Western China and strike targets there as well as air drop small special forces teams to knock out key infrastructure and generally disrupt as much as possible. Comment: I find it difficult to believe that the US wouldn’t muster a full response to a Chinese attack on US bases and territory. Especially with the current reactionary culture within the Pentagon and wider federal government. Move #3 - Red Team (37:17) Question: “if you were Chinese military planners or even if you happen to be the Chinese president would you have decided to use or authorize the use of a nuclear weapon, and this could be a nuclear weapon even in a demonstration rather than a direct attack?” Answer: - No, given the limited US response of not striking the Chinese mainland but instead containing themselves to the coast and Taiwan. I think that if China were to use a nuclear weapon, even just as a show of force, that they be fully prepared for a nuclear strike from the US. If not on China proper, then at least reserved to somewhat remote Chinese territory (like islands they control), port strikes or even just targeting their armed forces. - However, like my answer in Move #1, I would have sent significant missile strikes to Hawaii and Alaska and continued striking whatever Blue Team forces remain in allied Asian countries if necessary. - I would also try to take out US infrastructure focusing particularly on the power grid through espionage and again like my response to Move #1, take out US satellites. - I would also move to convert industry from producing goods to military equipment, ammunition and missiles. As well as fortify or even relocate key factories to try and protect them from future US attacks so that they can continue their production for the war effort. I would specifically build/ relocate factories underground or in mountains. Comment: I’m guessing that they stopped the game after Move #3 as to not frighten people that it would just descend into a full-blown nuclear war, which would be my prediction in such a conflict. Which is unfortunate because I would like to have seen the final results once the war had been concluded. I’m guessing that China loses but the participants of both teams as well as the game master are probably fairly biased towards seeing the US win. Final Thoughts: I would do many other things than just what I've listed in response to the moves, but I only have the information given in this and the original MSNBC video and it seems that there is actually a lot more that happened which wasn't discussed. I'd also love to be able to play one of these games for real.

Military attacks on US military support infrastructure would be a high priority and well as cyber attacks on critical civilian infrastructure to create a civilian call to stay out of the conflict would seem to be critical to a long-term strategy

@dindu551

10 ай бұрын

Oh yeah right. The American people, who already hate China, are going to wuss out of a total war against an obviously suicidal China? It's almost as if you don't understand how human beings work.

A bunch of lunatics are talking about a war between two countries which owns nuclear weapons.

I would have added pre-emptive attacks on Alaska and Hawaii; in addition to attacks on Guam and Japan if I were the red team.

Cruise missile strikes from Chinese subs from the East, North, and South of US installations would also have drawn off US assets to deal with potential Chinese attacks on resupply assets

The scenario premise used is misleading. What’s the deal with 2027 , it’s Not written in Stone. XI statement referring to 27 is a goal. Also the PRC are pragmatic and collected , they’re Not Rash. The PLA are playing the Long Game , they’re Not in a rush. They have a plan. It doesn’t matter who’s in charge everyone has the same goal. Reunification No Matter how long it takes. There are Only TWO real scenarios in which the PLA would conduct an “ Armed Reunification” on Taiwan in 2027 , Taiwan declares complete independence , or Foreign Troops are formally based on the Island permanently. Full scale Foreign military bases. ( both of which would require backing from the US ) Other than that the PLA invading Taiwan in 2027 without breaking one of the TWO listed is Not plausible.

Taiwan is a small island. It's fairly easy for China to saturate the island with missiles on large key targets such as air bases, radar sites, missile sites, and other infrastructure. There's simply no escape from it. Even though China's force projection across the seas, even the narrow Taiwan Strait, and ability to carry out amphibious operations are limited, by pulverizing the island with their superior strategic firepower, having a large seaborne offensive capability may not be as needed. In some cases, any invasion may not need to go by sea. Like with the USMC, an "amphibious" invasion may be done mostly by air. Since China is close enough to Taiwan, that may not be a issue. PLA's air force also has a large airborne corps of 40k troops as well as special operations units with several hundred fixed-wing and rotary-wing transport aircraft. Although costly, China may be planning mostly an airborne assault for an invasion of Taiwan to take the island internally more in the lines with the German invasion of Crete in 1941 where most of their forces went by air. I'm guessing once China hit key targets that are important to Taiwan's defense enough, the PLAAF would then lift airborne forces into those areas, particularly undamaged or lightly damaged civilian airports and even air bases to use as bases to ferry troops and logistics by air if air supremacy over Taiwan is achieved. With infrastructure damaged enough in the country, Taiwan's military reinforcements would be slowed by damaged and destroyed roads and bridges to counter-attack effectively. The PLA could take the island country from the inside and span outward instead of the other way around. I think one and perhaps the most effective way for Taiwan to counter this strategic theat is to do the same that the UK and France have done for their nuclear deterrence forces. Make them stealthy by placing their second-strike capability on subs. This may be costly, but cheaper and quality non-nuclear-powered alternatives such as the ones produced in France, Sweden, and Germany for coastal operations may be useful. It doesn't mean Taiwan has to use nuclear arms but having a good number of subs equipped with conventionally-armed ballistic and cruise missiles, it can scramble the PLA's war plans on Taiwan. This may be a good idea for the US Navy as well as China's ability to hit surface vessels like aircraft carriers is believed to have improved.

@hong-enlin4651

Жыл бұрын

Taiwan's Missile mobile systems are hidden in the central mountain range inside protective installations, there is no way to take out all the ground to air and ground to sea missiles and these are brought out when US provides Taiwan with targets. You can make reference to Ukraine war, why Russia despite everything cannot establish air superiority, wouldn't it be a piece of cake to destroy all the airfields? Same thing with infrastructure. Amphibious assault and air landing where? Is there a large field to land in Taiwan? Can you tell me? amphibious assault landing 500 men at a time vs 200 thousand by land by Russia during Ukraine war? Taiwan will also draft the men into the force, if the invasion needs 3 times the number of troops against defenders can you land over a million men? Small troop to take an entire Island of urban concrete and mountain? parachute into the city? seriously? Let's say the US is engaged, the war to come is against the Chinese east coast and it's WW3, the Chinese surface fleets are within range of the air force of US based in Japan and the surface to sea missiles, how is the landing going to play out? how many amphibious ships does China and what's the actual rate of load the men onto the beach or port under fire?

@newsieboys1171

Жыл бұрын

@@hong-enlin4651 I agree to a point. However, Ukraine is also the second largest country in Europe after Russia itself. While Taiwan is one of the smallest countries in the world as an island. It can be far easier to saturate the country with missiles and shelling. Including the fact that there are also fewer air bases/airports in the country. If command centers, road and railroads, bridges, and communications are hit and severed, organizing reinforcements with active and reserve forces for defense would become more impotent and chaotic. While Russia also doesn't have the manpower and material to cover a country the size of Ukraine while the PLA does with a much smaller country like Taiwan, if it ever establishes a major foothold. Furthermore, I said that an invasion would likely be done by air with China's large airborne forces. That means initially by large parachute and helicopter insertion. If air supremacy is established, airborne forces would then take air facilities for more troops to land from the mainland, build-up, and take the country from within. And even launch a sea invasion as a pincer to split the defenses on Taiwan. Lightly armed airborne forces are not going to take large urban areas like Taipei. They are used to take concise key targets like airports and bridges and establish footholds (bridgeheads or beachheads) for larger forces to follow. That is assuming the US and others in the region wouldn't intervene.

@hong-enlin4651

Жыл бұрын

@@newsieboys1171 I don't have information to compare Taiwan and Ukraine about Airfields, a few of Taiwan's airbases are carved mountain caves with runways within. There are a few civilain airfields and many highways in Taiwan can be used as runway strips, this is not fabricated by me on the spot. Taiwan is much smaller but it's very very industrial capable and the GDP is far greater than Ukraine per capita, there are many power plants so I think it's not the area that matters but how many targets to hit. Some experts has to make some kind of calculation to determine this, is it possible to bring down the infrastructure in Taiwan with expensive missiles? take in account the accuracy? It won't be totally down similar to Ukraine. You don't have the cheaper option to destroy them and you can't use all your stockpile that makes you depleted in the ability to defend. I am only going to assume it's only China vs Taiwan for now. I just don't know how helicopter and paratroopers can realistically take Taipei, that's reverse the situation and have the US to it China. Sounds impossible to me, the helicopter will also be under fire from Patriot missliles and shoulder fired and other smaller mobile automobile platforms (Taiwan operates the same system as Japan and US if I am not wrong) the defend will land and get surrounded and destroyed, it already happened in Ukraine. The most likely scenario is blockade without firing a shot, but again the US will supply Taiwan with ships and China won't fire on the US to draw them into the war. Someone has to realistically calculate how to land, how many ships? under fire? mass land build up in the beach head where the modern missiles defences can hit you? how many trips? where? how to resupply after 24 hours? The Island is not empty, look at Iwo Jima. How long until you can have air superiority but the Taiwanese missiles will still fire after they have intel on the build up? Once again even if you say the US is going to do it Hainan islands against China it will be just impossible without a million dead.

@newsieboys1171

Жыл бұрын

@@hong-enlin4651 I said lightly-armed and small airborne forces are not for taking large cities like Taipei. They are to establish footholds for larger forces to follow. A blockade is likely as China cannot do if outside forces don't intervene in the conflict. However, if China does plan to invade, air superiority has to be established. And if an invasion whether by air or sea, as said before infrastructure such as command centers, roads and rail, bridges, etc are going to be hit. The more than happens, the harder it is to coordinate defense and also hard for Taiwan's air force to operate.I'm not sure how much of a fortress Taiwan is in the same way as Iwo Jima, Gibratar, or any other similar island fortress during WWII, but it is not likely as elaborate. North Korea also has similar defenses but like Taiwan, may not be as defensively elaborate as what were built in the Pacific 80 years ago.

@hong-enlin4651

Жыл бұрын

@@newsieboys1171 In your comment, how do you realistically see it play out? For example, blockade, exercise, US counter measures etc?

I would have not struck any US facilities on Japanese soil. I would have sent subs to try to interdict Japanese ports to eliminate US naval support.

You guys all look like you are having way too much fun…

I would not escalate to nuclear weapons. I would have struck allied facilities if they actually committed forces to the conflict.

MONSTERS

What was the result of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor? The intent was to decapitate US forces, but it just made the US more likely to fight. The fight would result in the total destruction of Taiwan.

What this wargame scenario presents is that US military intel is crap.

Not a single Chinese in this so this is a failure discussion

@ericm4658

Жыл бұрын

You don't need foreigners...And Americans have a better objective view of Chinese capabilities than anyone you could find for one of our fucking wargames anyway. They're not going to send xi jing ping

@dirkbogarde7796

Жыл бұрын

as if a Chinese citizen could appear here and be safe later. try again.

@paulmatters2641

Жыл бұрын

@@dirkbogarde7796 Safe from a lunatic American with a sub machine gun. Perceptive comment champ.

@bumandy

Жыл бұрын

does the PLA use Americans in its war games? why would an American participate in China's war games unless to sabotage them? please think deeper before making public comments

@rogerma7831

Жыл бұрын

@@dirkbogarde7796 they can invite experts from Singapore, who know China better than the Americans

one thing is the key: the resolve to fight to the end.China has it, but the US does not. You can think in this way, in 1949, when China had no navy and air force, it had the courage to fight to unify the country. Now China is the second largest econmy and has the second largest military force and is a nuclear power. why do Americans have such lunatic ideas about fighting a war with another major nuclear power?

@bumandy

Жыл бұрын

please check out videos by John Mearsheimer, University of Chicago professor. containing China is the US' most important strategic objective. Ukraine is a side show for the US (although the humanitarian crisis is enormous)

@rogerma7831

Жыл бұрын

@@bumandy it does not matter. Nuclear SuperPower will never fight against each other directly.

@ScoundrelzNTwK

Жыл бұрын

@frank wang - Why does China have such lunatic ideas of taking over Taiwan by force? The only way a war starts is China initiating it.

@dindu551

10 ай бұрын

If China were dumb enough to attack the United States the people of this country would be so furious that the United States would fight and win a total war against China. The United States world literally destroy China and there is no cost that would be too high. A lot of Chinese would starve to death.

Japan n South Korea are very relevant factors in this topic as both feel huge potential dangers when XiHitler Jinping gets to their borders. Both r prepared to help Taiwan should XiHitler dare to tread his tiny feet to their territories. So, XiHitler Jinping will face South Korea n Japan n the Phillipine n USA n NATO. It will be a huge chaos in the area. XiHitler Jinping will find his tragic n total demise in this war. Quite assuredly.

If only they had done this with Ukraine 😂

China's economic power has peaked. it's wolf warrior diplomacy didn't help. China's population is forecasted to decline to 600 million by the end of this century (vs 1.4 billion last year). most likely it will try to take Taiwan by force by the end of this decade when its perceived power is still high

@jasondong9721

Жыл бұрын

Lol you sure you’re not talking about Japan? Very intelligent 👍

@davidzip8841

Жыл бұрын

It is actually around 1.28 billion currently and may go as low as 400 million by the end of the century.

@accountantthe3394

Жыл бұрын

@@davidzip8841 lol China's population by 2100 would be 600-700mil, half of their current pop. and those are conservative estimates (WEF). Still twice higher than US. Population decline & plaza accords (thanks USA) didn't stop Japan from becoming the #3 in nominal GDP today, good luck stopping China then.

Lmao who escalating the pressure on Taiwan

Be thankful I am not President, once US bases and territories were hit, I would respond double on Chinese cities.

Living in stone ages.

China 🇨🇳 is the US's best friend in driving others to an enhanced partnership with the USA 🇺🇸. Like Iran 🇮🇷 is driving the Arabs and Israel 🇮🇱 together at a brisk pace. Coincidentally the USSR was a great catalyst in driving NATO together and holding it in a very strong place for ever.

@dindu551

10 ай бұрын

Lmao this did not age well. Nobody is friends with Israel unless paid to pretend to be friends with Israel. Israel sucks, like your post.

Taiwan hasn't been under the CCP for 70+ years, and for 20+ years has been a democracy. It wasn't even the CCP, but the Ming dynasty that last had Taiwan - and gave it to Japan. China has as much claim to Taiwan as Turkey does to Greece when Greece was apart of the Ottoman empire. None of this history even matters that much, because the taiwanese do not want reunification. Taiwan would like to change its constitution to not claim the Mainland as the majority of Taiwanese have no revisionist interest - but if it did so the CCP would invade Taiwan. China should respect Taiwan and leave it alone and focus on its rejuvenation dream - rather than trying to take taiwan and entering a self-destructive nightmare.

@rogerma7831

Жыл бұрын

1. it is Qing Dynasty, not Ming 2. ROC is still the legitimate government in Taiwan, which is originated from china, and still claims to be a Chinese Government. And Taiwan does not dare to change its constitution. 3. China will attack Taiwan and US will not come, unlike what is claimed in this War Game

@vorlon81

Жыл бұрын

You lost the civil war, get over it. When the south lost, did Lincoln say let them go their separate ways? Nice of you to read history but it has to have context in it.

@mcb4067

Жыл бұрын

@@vorlon81 If the KMT was defeated, they wouldn't have a force to retreat to Taiwan with or the CCP would of defeated them on Taiwan - but it it never happened. and now time has gone by and things have changed. Its not even the KMT in government anymore.

@vorlon81

Жыл бұрын

@@mcb4067 Doesn't matter, the constitution of the republic of china is in Taiwan . Not the other way around.

@mcb4067

Жыл бұрын

​@@vorlon81 while the majority of Taiwanese have no interest in Mainland China, the constitution cannot easily be changed otherwise China would invade Taiwan. Taiwan already enjoys de-facto independence

Too much American exceptionalism in the war games! You need at least one Chinese mind! America capable of winning? Have they won any war against a capable enemy in the last 50 years?

@pauldorfman701

Жыл бұрын

Hey dong your not very smart as most Chinese so I’m going to help you. The US was able to occupy any country we wanted from 10,000 miles away and sustain combat operations and inflict a kill ratio of at least 10-1 and more like 50-1. When modern armies met let’s us Iraq we destroyed the Iraqi army in 6 weeks and only 2 weeks of ground war. We went where we wanted when we wanted . We didn’t want to take their land only to help out the democratic government. The Iraqi insurgents could only win extremely small battles rarely. The Americans just got tired of killing insurgents and the democratic government not fighting for themselves the same as Afghanistan. We could wreck the Chinese military in 2 months pull out and then isolate and wreck the Chinese economy. It’s that simple. Then we would allow Al good looking Chinese women to migrate here as they love American men much more than Chinese men. That’s the facts dong! Oh and it’s a fact Chinese men have the smallest penis of any racial makeup according to studies.

In the first place, this discussion is a waste of time and what China does to Taiwan is none of any other country's business as Taiwan rightfully belongs to China. It was forcefully taken by Japan so it is their right to unify Taiwan with the mainland. Do your research on the history of this matter!!! The USA is only interested in defending Taiwan because it is making use of Taiwan for their huge military weapons sales to them and Taiwan has no brains to where their priority is. To spend the unnecessary huge amount on weapons or for their own citizens.

@mcb4067

Жыл бұрын

Taiwan hasn't been under the CCP for 70+ years, and for 20+ years has been a democracy. It wasn't even the CCP, but the Ming dynasty that last had Taiwan - and gave it to Japan. China has as much claim to Taiwan as Turkey does to Greece when Greece was apart of the Ottoman empire. None of this history even matters that much, because the taiwanese do not want reunification. Taiwan would like to change its constitution to not claim the Mainland as the majority of Taiwanese have no revisionist interest - but if it did so the CCP would invade Taiwan.

@bumandy

Жыл бұрын

if China conquers Taiwan, that would significantly increase China's military to project power in the Pacific which would weaken the US' position. that's why an independent Taiwan is important to the US

@bumandy

Жыл бұрын

by your logic, China should not have entered Korea during the Korean War. UN forces didn't enter Chinese territory. because of China's interference in Korea, all of North East Asia suffer from the gangsters in North Korea, especially the very poor North Korean citizens. also, how many Taiwanese citizens want to reunify with China?

@user-qw1er2ty3ui4o

Жыл бұрын

@@bumandy You’re still working with old State Dept talking points. Now that the US has realized China is well-passed the first island chain, with Solomon Islands, Cambodia, Philippines, and Venezuela looking to host Chinese militaries, the whole strategic posture seems to be in limbo. US has cancelled weapons deals with Taiwan throughout 2021/22, limiting new sales to SAM’s, RPG’s, and mines.