I was stood next to "warship" when he shot this video and am a regular working member of the BHG, D5600 has an extremely tired power unit, the bank to bank timing is miles out, and it's cold. All 12 cylinders are compressed from the start and they are all fueling with the fuel rack wide open under control of the engine governor (not human intervention).

I LOVE English electrics - they are THE best Locos and I spent my entire youth Bashing them ALL. Many happy memories from this vid and the sounds. :-) Thanks for the upload. I 'classed' the 31s and the 50s back in 89!! Xx

loved the fiery belch at 03;15 !!

This is THE best railway clip on KZread I have seen. Thank you for posting it. More please!

Poetry in motion, true harmony, good stuff..

Loved the fireball at about 3:30. Darned engines can't live with 'em can't live without 'em.

fantastic!!! brings back memories of crewe station when i was young thanks!!!!

Gotta love starting up an old cold diesel

I must be mad but i just love heavy diesel engines. :D

Bonjour, très belle vidéo, j’adore voir les gros diesel démarrer, les 50000 sont formidables, le V16 chante. Merci pour le partage.

Excellent video thanx for sharing, born in the mid 70's I was luck to bear witness to English Electric action, regulalry, and to witness one of these deisels come thundering, full hellfire, through your station for the first time in your life when you are very young you can not fail to be impressed, in awe (and somewhat intimidated.) This clip reminds me of that day, I will miss them when they are all finally taken from front line duty. Long live the british rail class diesels . . .

This is by far one of the most wonderful videos on youtube. Man I am a weird girl lol...

Hammerhartes Video ,Klasse mitschnitt.Warum kann man bei uns so etwas nicht miterleben. TOP*****

Excellent vid! Great work guys! Diesel engine are amazing. I love listening to one start in cold weather and blowing smoke (called Clag in the U.K. right?). Diesel in the morings the best smell!!

I think I need a lie down after that, brilliant.

I just love the smoke!! I hope Al Gore sees this video! Go Brits go!!

Hello l like the class 31 priming pump at the start when you guys were getting the class 31 ready to startup

I went to see the class 50, lovely engine. Individual cylinders can have there fueling increased manually to check cylinders and can be decompressed evidently.

Interesting video! Thank you for informing when the 1st cylinder began firing. At what point did the engine continue on its own without electric turnover? What was they technician doing? Wish you would explain details. Thank you. RWG Denver, Colorado USA

lovely to see keep the old girls running lol

@Crewecabking

5 жыл бұрын

colin warn I agree it’s a shame non run on the mainline now

I must come and see these machines for myself some day.

@gizmo98550 you are right. I did some research and one site tells me there are 3 methods of starting. Electric starter, as in a car, compressed air is pumped into the cylinders until it reaches enough speed to start ignition, or some older trains with dc generators, used the generator to turn the engine over, drawing from the battery, as you said. So, I was wrong - electric starters can be used, but i guess they hav to be made to suite the high compression

Fred Dibnah was a steam engine man, but I'm sure the great man would have been fascinated by diesel and the mighty Deltic.

The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like did back in 1954, I still get a tear in my eye when I hear an old train in the night.

yes tpvalley, there is a hole cast in the cylinder head for de-compressing the cylinders. although this isn't used in this video. Each cylinder has it's own fuel pump which is fired from a cam on the camshaft. you can overfuel each individual cylinder to see if it is firing properly.

Ole' girl seems to be running good after a good warm up. being that old .. =)

Typical EE cold start - one cylinder at a time!!!

Yes it is a diesel, made by English Electric.

@Jabirupilot1 u find seperate electric starters on alternator fitted locos. Ive never seen a loco with air start, plenty of trucks etc though using seperate air starter motors or ships using air as u described.

great video!

gardner engines smoke like this when cold too. my dad used to drive bristol RE's Aec 's Bristol MW's and leyland leopards. i love the sound of any EE engine, cold start or on full bore! I have seen a vid with a hymec cold starting and i know how smokey maybach engines are. long live british diesels

Once started how long would they stay runing im assuming they avoided shutting them down only for maintenance??

I wish u were reading this a while ago, we were trying to work out what the fitter was doing! I guessed what u said, but I saw first hand last weekend!

CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG

@scorps59 I'm not 100% sure, but I know they don't use normal starter motors. I think there is a motor-type thing which turns by compressed air (which is the hiss you can sometimes hear on these trains when they start). An electric starter may not be suitable for this type of engine because of its size and probably the large amount of compression. Some aircraft engines (radials) use compressed air to turn them over, by simply opening a tap to let the air through.

The engine is designed to run in three modes: A-bank, B-Bank, and Full. The "Banks" are the left and right cylinder banks of the engine. Obviously, A-Bank, the one with the most white smoke, is having a hard time getting all of it's cylinders firing. a good way to resolve this in these old engines is to hook up extra power to those plugs, and manually pour fuel into the intake. However, the easiest way would be to just run the engine, as shown in the vid. The A cylinders will eventually fire up.

Fantastic video!!!!

Old american diesels hauled longer trains but didn't have more power funnily enough! Take some switchers 1200hp and 120+ tons! I believe the heavy weight helped? The UK almost bought US locos in 1958 as they were tried and tested-reliable, but politics prevented this (we must buy british etc!!), so we had loads of unreliable failed designs. This loco was a successful one, after they fitted this this engine in place of Mirlees.

Is this the 31 that used to be at the NRM in York?

dont worry about green peace i worked on one of them boats when you start is even more smoke

@eliagottardi5321

9 жыл бұрын

maybe not like a train...or also the boat clagging a lot ? (sorry about my english)

No, black smoke is overfueling, to much diesel and to litle air. White smoke is unburned diesel vapor, made by the compression heat in the cylinders, wich means that the diesel is not burned. Blue smoke is when the engine is burning oil. You can see at the end of the clip that one cylinder bank is smoking blue (not good)...

Its a V12 and has 12 cylinder heads. I think inlet and ex manifolds need to come off and cooling manifolds, bit of cowling, then open crank case doors, undo big end and lift out with piston, I think they have a lifting thread to fit a lifting eye in piston. only 10" bore so not that bad.

The engine sound is great

are those equipped with an intake heater of some kind? i would guess they are not, but wouldent it be more efficient in terms of wear and tear?

clag is our birtish slang, for smoke from the exhast

@Jabirupilot1 what they might have.. and "i could be wrong" but the generator doesnt that function as the "starter" ? drawing from the battery boxes?

isn't that white smoke just unburn diesel? if it is u could install a piolet light and burn it so u get flames plus not pollute so much

If we’d done some heavy maintenance or had water in the fuel( very common ) we’d have to warn the bridge about possible smoke or they’d panic. The really good one was when we had gas turbine problems with igniters or fuel and there would be sheets of flame out of the funnel

@matthewtaylor9066

2 жыл бұрын

Cool saw that a few times as an apprentice 30 years ago in Victorian railways always a Cool sight !! And how they scream on the dyno!! Awsome

2 stroke diesels are great eh! :) The triangular Deltic design is awesome, wish I had a small one in my car :)

@cidertom5140

Жыл бұрын

This is a 4 stroke

watcha wanna bet Al Gore shits has a hissy fit every time he watches this

I just love this video, cos it relly pisses off my Missus!!! I really love the sound of that diesel.

@askhowiknow5527

7 жыл бұрын

redmgbgt1 She sounds like a knob's worth

Yah know, people think this is a lot of pollution( it is) but locomotives are probably the most efficient way of transporting goods, BECAUSE they can tow the hell out of anything. So any one that thinks locomotives produce the most pollutants, that person Prius or volt most likely was on a locomotive.

Great video!

They do. This engine took, what, several minutes to start? Steam engines took *hours* before they could even make steam. Of course once they were warmed up, they were still just as dirty. At least once this diesel is warmed up, it's much cleaner than coal is.

the white smoke is unburned diesel fuel vapor soo you should put a pilot lite or an open flame to it to "reduced emissions"

Do theses things come with instruction manuals? If they do how thick are they?

very nice video keep going!

Is the gent decompressing individual cylinders or fueling them up individually, moving fuel rack or something?

Well done guys enjoyed the video

wat u need to do is have a50 40 31 37 and 20 running at same time wat a sound that would make

Somebody wrote about napiers not having valves, reffering to clag!? clag is exhaust smoke isn't it, what have napier turbos got to do with the price of eggs?

It's ALIVE!!

What camera was used in the filming?

I'm English, live in england, just know a bit of history. Better for pulling a heavy train will be worse for keeping time if the locos heavy, in the 1950s many designs failed- NBL class 21 22 41,43. and co-bo-class 28, etc.

omg what a horn.. You should have one like on the CNR ...

Theres a similar video with a class 20. When he checks each cylinder it speeds up like a dumper truck! so it must be a fueling thing. By the way the mirlees engines were replaced because they sufferred bed plate cracks, one was temporarily rated at 2000bhp! but others were 1250bhp and 1300 odd.

I wonder if the new piston was the one to join the party first??

as a diesel fitter on br for a good few years hes testing each cylinder by overfuelling it on each fuel pump as each piston has its own pump chris

EMD prime movers are still made in Illinois and the company is now owned by Greenbriar Equity Group LLC and Berkshire Partners LLC. Locomotives are built in Ontario. The original design for the EMD engine was from a Winton model (winton being a Cleveland based co) and the Winton 278 model was built as the GM-Cleveland 278. I worked on tugs with them. I am not ethnocentric but these are the facts. What a dumb thing to fight over.

people cease to think that global warming is NOT caused by POLLUTION but by the planet warming up from the LAST ICE-AGE

Did she ever go back to service?

I bet Mr Lee Kenny was deaf as a boot nail after doing that.

7:01 A Fitness-to-Run exam is undertaken on the loco in general........taps dial with fingers........Yea that's a pass......

lol, The camera man in this has the patience of a saint recording that completely excessive long start up :P

at 4.47 they were checking the horns. the high note needs lubricating. at 5.35 he's testing each cylinder. i'm not exactly sure how. at 6.58 he's testing the brake pressures i think. 7.52 is self explanatory.

A new pope!!

Thank-you!

@Jabirupilot1 wow.. im not right very often.. but it wasnt said to shoot you down sir.. i didnt hear the normal wurr wurr wurr of a regular starter.. or air.. so i just made the assumption it was the generator being used to roll the engine over

Where I volunteered nobody ever went on shed etc without hi vis.

This engine is very worn, the folk involved r experts, the engine design pre-dates 1948, its called a English Electric SV or SVT, even when they were used by british rail they started badly when cold. I agree with u in that I woldn't want to live next door, Also there may be air in the fuel system as it has just been rebuilt.

Bit of a stupid question perhaps: All that "clag" does that indicate a problem, or is it normal on a these engines, or is it due to the old design/age? If my old diesel car took that long to fire up I would scrap it.

@bonkeydollocks1879

4 жыл бұрын

It's normal for these old design engines, they were not turned off very much in regular use so the need for any easy start was minimal and they do not have glow plugs to help on cold starts.

@teepi280

4 жыл бұрын

@@bonkeydollocks1879 thank you.

'People will think i'm burning tyres again' as a certain plastic alien once said

Superb vid, some of the captions seem to have been cut short though.

OK,so who left out the oil rings?..lol.

which part?

@Polybun What were you expecting, Spielberg?

Hmmm... that sounds so much like me first thing on a monday morning. Cold and reluctant to fire!

I take it nobody hangs their washing out in Bury on the weekends then? Hellfire indeed!

MORE LIKE THE SMOKE PARTY EXCELLENT!!!

Whats the VAC line for??

So, wait a minute, this beast is started one cylinder at a time? How many cylinders does it have? Nice start up sound!

english electric 12 SV 10" bore X 12" stroke. 1470hp at 850rpm I think. These used to have Mirlees engines.

... and then somebody came running "Lee, Lee, stop the engine, there's still 3 pistons lying on the bench....."

Is it normal for that much smoke to come out?

one piston change?

Vacuum line?

I was expecting something exciting to happen like the new piston to break off and smash throught the engine casing.

This is not a Deltic. It is a Class 31, meaning English Electric 12SVT.

I like how the smoke stack on this Train is spewing brown and white smoke it's pretty cool

Man thats a real hammer-thon!! Something tells me there was a cylinder balance issue-lol Reminds of working on some english cars-- theyre almost never quite right without a complete overhaul. So was it a problem with one bank of cylindeers, or one or what-??