Haha that comment about the "you hypocrites don't need to go away mad, you just need to go away" comment just earned you a click on that subscribe button...great shootin'! Looks beautiful out there.

Great Videos on the Hornet. You talked me into picking up a slightly used CZ 527 in 17 Hornet. Barrel threaded, trigger adjusted, and pillar bedded... now we load ammo, and wait for spring.

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

CFE BLK with the Hornady now discontinued 25gr HP is by far the most accurate so far. This spring I'll be using the 20gr V-MAX.

Love your work. Thank you for sharing your passion with us all.

Thanks for taking the time make the video. Enjoyed watching.

Do the same with bunnies in Australia using the .22LR at up to 100yards. Some warrens are large and you can go through a brick (500) of bullets in a day. Love your passion and can watch all day. Non shooters do not understand the environmental destruction these little creatures can do if left unchecked.

real nice shooting, just love the 17 range they pack a good punch for a little round, one of my fav rifle for small game

Thank you for the great video and the excellent commentary. I love that rifle and the caliber. More videos please!

That is one fine looking CZ and piece of glass. Nice shade setup too in the country.

Once again great shooting!! I am loving the .17HH also!! I love the hills of TN where I am from but I really like the openness of your country in SD. Keep the good work!!

Love these videos I watch so many of your videos great for seeing good builds as well keep it up

We love your "down-home" definitions! Just found your channel this morning! 😊

Love your stuff Cavedweller. Keep it going

A great setup you have, lovely country and a fine commentated video. Thank you

Loved the video. Thanks for filming, editing, posting and otherwise taking us along. More videos!

That looks so fun. Great set up. I live in southeast Alaska on an Island. It amazes me how wide open and flat that area is. Someday I’ll visit SD. Thanks for posting

Awesome videos in some of the most spectacular country I’ve ever seen. Thanks for sharing !!

Love your video's, your extremely honest and knowledgeable. I'm hoping to own a cz455 th in. 22 soon and I appreciate everything that you do in a way that everyone can understand. Thank you and good luck from Northern Ireland 🇬🇧 ATB... BILLY.

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming along.

Hat goes off to ya cave man 😎 excellent shooting 🔫 + that ute set up is wicked. 😎🤩😎

Nice shooting! I'm practicing on my Tikka Tac 1 in 6.5mm. I'm hoping to pop off some long distance Crow/Corvid shooting in the UK, when i get a decent Hornady ELD-X load that's shooting straight and true! You seem to be doing just fine with your set-up! Well done!

Used to shoot those critters on a ranchers barley field in central CA. He welcomed us, said the dogs take 10% or more of his grain and with his wheeled harvester the mounds and tunnels are a problem too.

@kolarshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Those were ground squirrels, not prairie dogs. I love shooting ground squirrels!

Nice shooting. I love my CZ 455 Trainer, got the .17 HMR barrel in there now, but also own a .22lr barrel. Getting a itch for a new caliber, looking and learning about the .22 Hornet, .17 Hornet, .17 WSM, and maybe the Ruger .204. I got AR's in 223/5.56 so don't think I want those calibers in a bolt action.

This is making me miss the black hills. Was there in june and it was beautiful. Went to wyoming for a job interview and drove through S. Dakota on way home to illinois. Those of you that live there have a piece of heaven. Take care of it. I'll be back for some walleye fishing next summer

CZ makes some very nice guns. I got the 452 in 22lr. Really nice quality.

Nice shooting. Looks like a fun day, and as you said it beats working. Thanks for all your videos.

I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for creating enjoyable content.

Awesome JOB,,, love to watch you work!!!! Scenery ain't half bad either!!!

That is some pretty country out there. I'm planning a run out to Wyoming this year with dogs very high on the list. Really looking forward to it too!

Hi there, I have a Brno fox 2 in 17 ackley hornet that I love using on Indian mynas. Is your suppressor 223 caliber or is it a dedicated 17 caliber unit? Can you use a 223 suppressor on a 17 and get good sound suppression? Regards

@csjrogerson2377

3 жыл бұрын

I think he said it was for 17's only. He said that a 222 or 223 would rupture it.

The 17 hornet is a fantastic and efficient cartridge, really aught to be more popular. With a good reloading setup it's probably the best way to stretch money across as many varmints as possible.

cavedweller1959, I have a dilemma, my son has the same rifle 527, 17 hornet, took rifle apart for reblueing of barrel and lost magazine catch. If you could take your stock off, what number is stamped on the magazine catch ? thanks, Jerry

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Not stamped, but it looks like #3

The states is definitely on bucket list and when I do Ive go to see South Dakota,love your clips.

Hi Cavedweller, thanks for the robust reply. I reckon the rancher uses every bit of available land. Shepherds here also use large areas of low grade land to grow sheep for mutton, so I understand removing vermin that degrade the feed supply. Check out David Attenborough the naturalist regarding ground hogs and prairie dogs. Seems like they dig out the sub soil minerals and it gets mixed with buffalo fertiliser to make the prairies bloom. That little 17 Hornet sure hits hard and still leaves something left to photograph. I did enjoy watching your shooting skill.

I enjoy your videos. Please keep them going. Beautiful country!

need more guys like cave dweller around,no candy coating or worries about your soft ass feelings,tells it like it is and if you don't like it tough shit.. keep up the kik ass videos and thanks

New sub - like your refreshing view on life and direct commentary.

Great Video Thanks Cavedweller!

Do you prefer the 17 or the 22 hornet? Looking at buying a savage 25 in one of those calibers for lynx and coyote.

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

For what I use them for, the 17 gains me, maybe a hundred yards on P-Dogs. If your buying for hunting coyotes, go NOTHING less than a 50 or 55gr bullet at 3000 FPS or so. .223 Rem, the 22-250 is better. If you are going light weight, the 17 with the heaviest bullet you can find that shoots straight would be my pick.

@cavedweller1959 hi, what is the name of the rings that you are using for your scope? thx

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Warne, 30MM medium height.

@sergeyboroditskiy9912

4 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 thank you

Hey great video I've got a cz 527 17 hornet over here in the UK. They are a great round fast and flat when we get wind we just dope the scope. Keep the videos coming sir much love UK hunter 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, spring still seems like it's 2 years away. But hopefully it's better than last year.

Great fun 17 hornet is impressive. Thank you for your video.

great job loved it!! really liked the driving in part! truck performed admirably

Makes me homesick. Thanks for the share

Hey cavedweller love the videos I’m also a fellow Praire dog hunter it’s just a boatload of fun

Hope you see this cavedweller! How does a suppressed 17 hornet compare to a suppressed 17hmr? Hard to tell with videos. Is it say 10 percent louder?

@cavedweller1959

2 жыл бұрын

Without a meter, I'd say they are the same. You get the sonic crack, then the bullet wizzing down range, and hopefully, WHAAP.

Nice of W C Fields to do your commentary for you!

Like the sound of these rifles. I'm just concerned with the availability of the rings on the market, my scope will sit far too high for a good cheek weld. What say you CaveDweller? Or anyone else who can help. I have also heard the bolt can have issues with hitting the scope bell.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

I use Warne medium hight rings on mine. In this video there is a 50mm scope with some room to spare. I have no issues with the bolt or cheek weld. If you can't find rings locally, check Optics Planit.com.

Salve gentilmente mi può dire che cannocchiale usa su la cz 527 in questo video grazie...

rick vance I was wondering ,do you like your ruger model 77 17 hornet over your cz 527 , or really no choice ? I have a savage 17 hornet but i must say ,the looks of the cz have me thinking about spending the money ..

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

The Ruger went away some time ago. It had to be cleaned every 20-25 rounds to maintain accuracy. Not a good feature for a dog town rifle. This CZ, it's gone well over 350 rounds with no side effects. Ya gotta like that.

@richardvanc3298

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 power surge cut me it looks like,, love the 17 hornet ,mine seems to like 20 gr. noslers happy shooting

That's good clean fun right there! I picked up a Savage 25 Walking Varminter chambered in .17 hornet last year and just started reloading ammo for it. It is an absolute tack driver with Hornady factory ammo so I'm hopeful that I can at least equal the performance with my hand loads . It's a costly little round up here in Canada, and there are a lot of Prarie dogs to shoot. Up here we refer to them as gophers though. Great videos by the way, I have watched many of yours and just had to sub.

@tomharrell1954

5 жыл бұрын

If you study reloading. Learn how to do it right. You can make better ammo than factory. It is not that difficult. All guns are a bit different, even the exact same caliber from the same manufacturer. At benchrest matches all the competitors make their own. You can’t buy factory ammo for my rifle. Have fun! Be careful. Just think about what you are doing. You will be fine.

@bosstube9046

4 жыл бұрын

Question I'm thinking about getting a 17H how bad is it seating those tiny bullets I haven't had much trouble with 22H is it much worse

@artfranz2273

3 жыл бұрын

bosstube Good question. Yup those bullets are tiny. I like using the Hornady die set, they have a little cone shaped tube that comes down out of the die that helps a lot to get the bullet sitting square on the case as you push the ram up. With my big fingers I’d have to use needle nose pliers with a RCBS die.

Can you give me some info on the suppressor? Thanks.

@cavedweller1959

5 жыл бұрын

Made by Mack Brothers in Sturgis SD. Called the Tango, full titanium, about 4 oz. Made for rimfires but will handle up to the 17 and 22 Hornets.

I enjoyed watching that from the UK ...love the 17 Hornet ..

Nice setup Thanks

I left central Kentucky 5 years ago , and Reilly miss groundhog hunting ,hunted mostly with hopped-up 243 + 222 rem. Mag. Moved to Florida for health . And have not pulled a trigger sense then. I enjoy your popping a cap in the little varmints.

Are these Factory rounds 20gr Vmax ? ,I like the 25grn Vmax and 25grn HP , but also my cz527v as a fondness for 20grn berger hp . Nice video thanks

@cavedweller1959

7 жыл бұрын

All hand loads today, 20 gr V-Max, AA1680 powder & CCI #400 primers.

@manchapkarm3626

7 жыл бұрын

Nice one i too use AA1680 (LovexDO63) cci400 .

The new to me 527 17 Hornet came to me pillar bedded! Off to the reloading bench we go!

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

I've had my best luck so far with CFE Black.

Is the 17 hornet as loud as 223? I'm looking for something that isn't as loud

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe so, It's working with less than 1/2 the powder of the .223. I run this one with a suppressor, you hear a light crack, the bullet cutting the air and whaappp

seriously awesome stuff. loving the caliber with the surpressor. I want to do some similar stuff.

@cavedweller1959

7 жыл бұрын

The more I shoot the 17H , the more I appreciate the range, lack of recoil and it's somewhat low cost to reload. The suppressor is just icing on the cake, which makes for more shooting on heavily shot towns. Thanks for Watching.

You are one lucky fellow to be able to have access to such an area.

Thanks for your videos. I like the yard numbers before each shot. Maybe do a close up and slow motion on some of the good ones. Looking forward to seeing more.

Hey Cavedweller, I just picked up a 17 Fireball, have you tried any bullets from manufacturers other than Hornady? Was thinking of trying some Berger's or maybe even some Lehigh's. Thanks!

@cavedweller1959

5 жыл бұрын

No , only what's available locally. Someday I will stumble onto something different or order online. Berger has a 30gr that has my interest.

@artfranz2273

3 жыл бұрын

cavedweller1959 Make sure you’ve got enough twist in that CZ to spin a 30 fast enough.

Gday mate. I have the same gun but i am having trouble finding its preferred bullet. Also, how often do you clean the barrel on yours?

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

I have gone as many as 275 rounds with no issues, and I'm sure it could have gone that many more. What is yours preferred bullet??

@artfranz2273

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got the same gun too. And it’s consistent, everything you feed it groups at 1.5”. Until you set the bullets .010 off the lands and then it tightens right up. But then you can’t use the mag. And to feed it single shot is really ugly, you have to hold the gun vertical and then aim carefully and drop.

@ozcountryliving4751

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 Gday mate. Mine seems to like American Eagle. But i am soon going to try some reloads. I believe they should be better than 1.5" at 100m

It was fun watching. Thanks for sharing.

Another great video cave dweller, what grain ammo were you shooting also do you reload for your 17 hornet or shoot factory, thanks for sharing.

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

That was a couple years back, going to take a guess at it, 25gr Hornady V-Max setting on top of AA 1680 with a CCI std. primer.

I am about to become a resident of SD. Love it.

Enjoy your video's. Always entertaining. Thank you.

What rifle do you prefer in 17 hornet your 527 or m77?

@cavedweller1959

6 жыл бұрын

Nether of the 2 ever had blue copper fouling during cleaning, but the Ruger, after 25-30 rounds would hit every where but where I had aimed. Accuracy went completely out the window. I don't recall the exact number but it was well over 200 before the CZ gave up the accuracy. The set trigger is a sweet bonus also.

Nice setup with the umbrella. All one needs to complete it is an ice cold drink.

That is one rifle I really want to get and that is some great shooting with that .17 HORNET

Great videos keep them coming

Great shooting mate love your work !!! We do similar things here in Australia with rabbits !!! With 22lr most times but if there a bit spooky we go to the 17hmr !! The 17 hornet hasn't really taken here as yet and the 17 super mag is making its mark !! But with 223 rounds so cheap here most will just go straight to is if the 17hmr cant get it done !!! But we do keep a few for the pot !!! Thats y the 22lr is preferred when possible !! Less meat damage !!!

Instant Shade...I LIKE!! Living just west of you (SW MT to be exact) I too have a .17H that I use for varmint thinning purposes. I'm intrigued by your ingenious shade setup as I'm not always able to find a nearby shady cottonwood. Would you mind sharing the dimensions and sizes of what you welded up? I've tried to attach umbrellas to my bench but with any wind at all there is entirely too much shaking transferred to the bench when I am reaching out over 200 yards. Thanks.

@cavedweller1959

6 жыл бұрын

It was just 2" pipe, just long enough to clear the tail gate, that I threw together on a whim just to see how it would work. Before spring gets here I want to make one from square tubing that's more user friendly. I'll make a video. Thanks for Watching.

@paulkoehler7061

6 жыл бұрын

Cavedweller1959 Thanks for the reply. I couldn't tell from the brief glimpse what you might have used for building the umbrella support bracket. It makes more sense to use square tubing allowing it to slide into the receiver hitch versus a round tube. I'll look forward to a future video showing your revised support build. In the mean time, I just might start rummaging thru the scrap iron pile and see what I can come up with. I enjoy your video approach...long on substance...short on BS! Thanks.

That looks like fun! Wish we had them in South Carolina. What's the average head count by the end of a shooting session? Seems like you said you fired 89 bullets in about 4 hours and I guess I saw 15 or so varmints get whacked. Did you shoot more that we didn't see? How many shots does it usually take at that distance per prairie dog? Thanks

Love your vids, cheers

Hey Cavedweller, I love your videos and have really learned a lot from them too. I use a 22LR and 22Mag at the moment for rabbits and relatively close range foxes with my 243 and my 9.3x62 for the bigger stuff. Wondering how you compare the 17 Hornet and 17WSM as I have been thinking of one or the other of these for longer range small critters though the 204 is also coming into consideration. Noise from muzzle blast is an issue as suppressors are mostly not allowed here in Australia unless a special need can be shown by a licensed pest control shooter. All best from down under.

@cavedweller1959

6 жыл бұрын

If you have both guns & ammo available in your location, then the hornet is the hands down 1st choice. Both have recoil comparable to a 22 Mag, but the 17H has a 600 FPS advantage with both 20 & 25 grain bullets. I reload the hornet for about 21 cents apiece and purchase the WSM for about 34 cents. That 600 FPS gives you another 100 yards of realistic working range.

@teacheng3795

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply and advice, much appreciated. I'm not a reloader but have a good buddy who looks after that for me so I have my answer. Thanks again, David.

Great video! Thanks!

Thanks for the videos CD

Nice shooting. I dont have a 17cal.Im a 22WMR fan.I may get one.Which do you like BEST of the 17calibers? 17 WSM?

@cavedweller1959

5 жыл бұрын

I like all of them. Which ones best depends on the moment.

@TexasTrained

5 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 honest answer.Not much help.Which one shoots farther?

@cavedweller1959

5 жыл бұрын

The one that holds the most powder. In my case it's the 17 Hornet at 3600 fps or so. If you want better than 4000 fps, you may want to look into a 17 Remington, ammo will be hard to find. If you are limiting me to rimfires, the WSM is a hands down winner.

@51Dss

5 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 just curious - running at well above 3400 fps how many times have you replaced the barrels on your rifles. Love your set up BTW.

I'm guessing you leave them for carrion?

I wish we had prairie dog in England there great to shoot . Shot a load back in 2002 just outside Rapid City. Hopefully coming back next year. Anyway good shooting . Going to watch you use the 22-250 now.

Love your videos and love the 17 Hornet! The suppressor must be a luxury for you, even the 17 Hornet is loud unsuppressed. Keep em coming, I'm going to go out for some footage with my Hornet tomorrow hopefully.

@cavedweller1959

7 жыл бұрын

CZ or a Ruger?????

@PointofimpactTV

7 жыл бұрын

I've got me a lovely CZ 527 American second hand, picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's shooting amazing too. Averaging 0.2-0.4 MOA with 25 grain V-Max and it's so much lighter than my varmint one was. I'm running 9.4 grains of Lil Gun with CCI BR4 primers and it's just stacking them. Best group so far was 0.19" :)

Yessirree, some nice shootin' there Cavedweller!

@bosstube9046

4 жыл бұрын

Why tho

@bosstube9046

4 жыл бұрын

Nevermind just saw it was his name lol

Which round do you like better between the .17 hornet and the .17hmr? Or the .17wsm

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

I like them all, but the "better" goes to the reload-ability of the Hornet. And if the others are not on sale, it's just as cheap, or cheaper.

@darrylryder8114

4 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 thanks man and by the way thanks for your teachings on bedding

@darrylryder8114

4 жыл бұрын

Ok I bought a cz527 17 hornet. What is your preferred optic? You have 7 yrs on me but I was a welder so I cant see squat without my glasses at range. Lol

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Dollar for dollar, I'll take the Leupolds.

What scope rings are those

@cavedweller1959

6 жыл бұрын

Warne 30mm find them on Optics Planet. Specifically for the 527, about $55.00 if you catch a sale.

This might be a dumb question, but what do you do with all prairie dogs you shoot? Also your stock bedding videos are great. I learned a lot. Thanks.

@neilharris4462

7 жыл бұрын

Zuke Dog birds need to eat too, plus they make good fertilizer.

Is there any work out that way? I've seriously been considering g moving out that way. South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana....... God it's beautiful!! And that sure looks like a blast:-)

@garyteague9555

5 жыл бұрын

Craig McMullen i would think that there is still a lot of work in the dakotas with that oil boo

great shooting, yr shooting setup at back of truck is awesome, just curious are Prairie Dogs nice to eat..?? great videos, beautiful country...

Hey buddy, what range finder do you use and why?

@cavedweller1959

4 жыл бұрын

Leupold RX 1000. Way back when I bought it, it was the best I could get my hands on.

This is kinda off topic but how do you like that Tacoma truck? I've been a pretty loyal Ford Guy for all of my life but the Toyotas really look good and I keep hearing how good of trucks they are. Great video keep shooting those dogs.

@cavedweller1959

3 жыл бұрын

Love it. Drove nothing but Ford until this P.U. They start to nickel & dime you to death after 100K or so. It's got a 4 banger & 5 speed stick, runs 20mpg on the interstate with the air and stereo cranked. I've replaced the left head light bulb twice in 148,000 miles.

@willrowell3218

3 жыл бұрын

@@cavedweller1959 Awesome, Thank you, sounds like my kind of ride

I have 17 hornet myself. I know how easy it is to fall in love with that little gun. I enjoy your video's , you helped the with glass bed of my own 17. Keep up the work. I have one question. does SD require a hunting for shooting dogs? Thanks again.

@cavedweller1959

7 жыл бұрын

If hunting license was the question, Then the answer is yes. Thanks for Watching.

Subbing just because I like your comments at the end of the video!

i've hunted dogs in the panhandle of Texas. Shooting a 223, the dog acted about what you are experiencing, but with a 17 HMR it created a pink mist as the dog exploaded! My longest shot was 320 yards with the 17 HMR

Very nice country & great shooting sweet targets!!

@lionels6958

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet targets?.peaceful squirrels and others...If you come and do that in my country(France) you will go back with .12 chevrotine in your legs...or worst...

ever try a single shot .223 bull barrel?

Beautiful country. Nice vid and nice shooten.

Love your vids... love when you can get nothing but red mist lol

looks like fun. good job

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks like what you do.

Great shootin'! Thanks for sharing!