Jafro, I pissed excellence today. I have been keeping a 98 2g Spyder gs with a 4g64 alive for the last ten years. It has presented multiple opportunities to learn something new, including a full rebuild of a F4a23 transmission. I began watching your channel a few years ago, dreaming of turning my eclipse into a monster. While financial limitations have prevented that plan from coming to fruition, the engine eventually developed a persistent tick. I went through the usual checks, changing the oil, etc., to no avail. There was no detectable damage to the valves or lifters; so, I decided to live with it. A few months later, I stumbled across this video. Once I understood the general theory of how HLA systems work, I took another look. I used the same cleaning procedure for the lifters, only to have my cleaning solution full of large ferrous shavings. After identifying the source of the contamination and a through cleaning of all readily accessible components, I reassembled the valve train. The tick was gone. Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. They go well beyond step-by-step guides, discussing systems, theory of operation, and the virtue of using your brain. It is greatly appreciated and I hope you keep up the great work.

i love the fusion between mitsu engine, proper guidance and humour. u have helped mitsu fans around the world, im sure

Even though I no longer have a DSM, I still watch your videos Jafro. Very insightful and entertaining please keep up the good vidoes!

Where to come for some of the best V8 4v head tech knowledge. Love it.

Well done Jafro! Thank you for the detailed, helpful video!

I have never seen this kind of thing before in the flesh so to speak, I know about hydraulic lifters, but never actually had any dealings with them. Nice to see what they look and behave like. Ace video once again. :-)

So, coles notes: Bleed all oil out before installing camshaft (11:59). Got it. Thx so much. Had to listen to that 3x to be sure. 🙂

I know about 5% of what Jaf is talking about in these videos, but I would never dislike them. There are untold amounts of man hours invested in this channel. Keep up the good work Jafro.

Great video, excellent in depth information as always, nut cans and ice cube trays ftw!

This is a great video and lots of information and like the history on the part which gives me an understanding on the system.

Thank you thank you thank you good to see a true mistro at work saved me a lot of time and money old school. Mechanic learning new tricks fantastic liked and subscribed

Love the ant! And now I know how to clean my lifters! I got two dsms down two to go

man I love your vids!!!! so informative and your attention to detail is crazy! (in a good way)

Excellent video!

The little cans !!!!!! OMG they are the star of this video

Excellent, as always.

Great video man! Very informative. I dont have a DSM but the principle is the same none the less.

Thank you for sharing all these....

Best flic yet - cheers

thank you sir. I have to stuck lifters on my 420a I'll be going out n pulling them and using this video to repair them.

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the comments but something I use to clean all sorts of small parts is an ultrasonic cleaning bath. They can be had relatively cheaply from ebay. Ideally you want one with a stainless steel tub. You dump whatever cleaning solution you prefer in the unit, select the time and go. If it's not clean, go again. Some scrubbing may be necessary for really grimy nuts and bolts. I've cleaned injectors, nuts and bolts and various other small parts using this but never thought about lifters before. As with any suggestion YMMV.

Thanks for posting this!

Well done. I have a few 1980’s turbo dodge 2.2/2.5L heads with improved 2000’s pt cruiser HLA in them (the original HLA didn’t have a pee hole where as PT cruisers did), and I was hoping to find something describing this process Thoroughly impressed with the tutorial ! Thank you

@TimCurry04

3 ай бұрын

Working on a 2001 PT right now. Head gasket gave with 86k miles on it. Sat for 2 years and now I'm cleaning everything out. Figured Id watch a few weeks of videos before putting it back together.

I have a small sonic cleaner, and it works great, but putting them upside-down in a metal (nut) can and tapping it works just as well. Crud drops right out. Only for shielded bearings, the sonic cleaner might have a small advantage. Please keep these videos coming, Jafro.

Nice video Jafro!

This is very helpful. Thank you

very specific and informative

Here's a tip: Instead of soaking them in a can, put them in a ziplock back filled with cleaning solvent (such as kerosene), drop them in an ultrasonic cleaner filled with hot water; then run it for 20 - 30 minutes. They will be spotless inside and out.

@schafer240

Жыл бұрын

You are correct, but have to keep in mind this video was made 10 years ago and ultrasonic cleaners weren't easily available then.

Kind of reminds me of a particle check points during a flushing on a tank, reduction box or engine crank case, back in the yards! I thought you had a mini helper that you sent inside the lifter to check it clean…LOL

Ice cube tray to hold the lifters! You clever man. 3000GT and Stealth lifters look identical to these. As far as I know there were only two revisions. 1991-1998 and then 1999 got the larger oil hole on top. It's a popular mod to get rid of lifter tick.

Jafro, I have watched almost all your videos within about a week. I have to say I have become a dedicated veiwer and will always hope new vids are on the way! But I have to ask, can you do a video containing whats in your tool collection? I have always enjoyed watching tool vids but with your skill and know how im sure you have some kind of something I have never seen before. Good luck Jafro, and great job. Keep it up

"That's lifter cleaning in a nut can" - underrated comment

This is not the new video I was looking for. :(

Perfect Man !!!

thanks man nice video

Make you realise quickly how important having clean oil is.

Also I am thinking about doing a 2.4 turbo gallant project and I think you might have every single answer to every question I might have. lol

Thank you. I had a n overheat problem and all lifters were hard, wonder how normal that is. I cleaned them now will put them back.

Yeah, I really like your vids, I found your channel through Eric the Car Guy. He had a couple vids on his tools, and i remember in your garage modification vids i saw you had two big tool boxes, looked like the U.S. general ones? And I visualized what you would have in them LOL.

Love 4g63

YES THANKS :)

jafro you said injectors at 8:20 haha Great video!!!!!

Thanks for the video. I learned I'd rather spend $100 bucks on new lifters than try clean old ones. :D

Hi jafro, just wanted to give ua tip i found usefull when cleaning 3gen lifters, you know the "pin" you get with the new belt tensioner to pull out after installing new Timing belt? it fits perfect down into the lifters, and is a lot stronger than a paperclip, so it dosnt bend at all :D just wanted to pass this on :D best regards from denmark :D

I serviced my 4g64 lash adjusters and instructions said that the only way to depress the hla is to insert a paper clip into the center hole and push the piston in while submerging it in diesel oil. It was very cruddy in those things. I cleaned them this way 2 times to make sure I got the grit out and then I did it a 3rd time submerged in oil so they were full before I installed them again. I could not depress any of the 4g64 hla's by pressing on them, only with paper clip.

Naphtha's flash point is around 550 degrees F. You can boil it around 200 - 220 degrees. The can you are using is perfect for doing this as the bottom is usually a little recessed so there isn't perfect thermal transfer; it's almost like a double boiler. Yes, you should do this outside. like the exhaust, I wouldn't breath that shit either. This method is used to clean spark plugs on an aircraft. It works very well for this as well and it will save you time and elbow grease.

Okay, you did stop the insanity......LOL

Actually if you wanted an example car without hydraulic lifters, I recently did a head gasket job on a Honda CRX with the D15B2. Those rocker arms are directly contacting the camshaft.

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. In a set of lifters I have, after relieving the pressure, the spring return on some of them do not extend the lifter fully, while several of the others in the set do. Any thoughts?

Man, wish I'd have watched this video a week ago. That and had the sense to check ebay for the lifters. I just paid 80 for a set of 8 of the damn things.

Fantastic presentation, your communication skills are quite advanced. I am curious to know what you do for a living ?

Jafro that was a great video. But im wondering when are you going to make a timing belt tutorial itwould be great with your own style.

would love to see you do a 00-04 zetec focus head! I was a bit confused with your directions, I know 2 stay away from the valve seat! tho, I thought MAKING EM BIGGER HELPED? I will be gasket matching my exhaust & at least smoothing my ports a great amount & hopefully, polish my combustion chamber.

hey Jafro first of all thank you for the videos has help me a lot i have a v6 2.5l ford duratec engine and the lifter look almost exactly the same. How do i know if they have failed?

Not only are you Brilliant but your editing is phenomenal.. Quick Question? 2k Tahoe 205k miles 5.3. lifter noise maybe rod knock. Spray B-12 down push-rods, can i reduce my shop vac 2" hose down to 3/8" hose and suck the sludge out threw the push-rod then blow hot air down the push-rod to blow the sludge out the other end?? then gunk engine clean. drop oil pan check for rod knock. going to do this in a few weeks and will video it. Just wondering if I will damage the lifters?? thank you Jafro

The best thing to use for this is a jewelry "Sonic " cleaner ..you can usually get one cheap at your local thrift store..

What a great video - well done - do you have to replace the rocker arm if you install a new lifter? This is a general question and not specific to the lifters in the video -

Change your oil before bothering with all this imo. Mine was overdue, was considering doing all this work then thought heck would fresh oil fix it? Yes, yes it can. Massive difference. No more loud valve tapping

Hey jafro are you gonna explain the hla adjuster in your next vid? Or you have already?

great video, thanks! my lifters instead of bottle cap type retainers, they are made out of plastic. they all desintegraded, what can I do about it? can I just make my own?

I heard recently people are using the 1g lifters with the kiggly HLA regulator for better results because now that the oil pressure is regulated the lifter works as was intended. You are using a HLA regulator Jafro whats your input on this? going to stick with the 3g lifters or use 1g lifters. Possible that it is more critical to do with a higher revving engine. Im not sure what I am going to use, i have a kiggly regulator and may go for a gsc lifter with the stiffer springs.

When you said to bleed the oil out of the check valve before installing, do you mean to fill the lifters w/ oil for storage but right before installation empty the oil out of the lifters?

Dope ass video

i bought brand new lash adjusters for my evo. My major concern is if i have to bleed them from their factory anti rust oil, but afterwards i have to submerged them in the same oil i will use to the engine and fill them until they do not compress by hand force. All in all i'm asking if when we install lash adjusters to cylinder head they have to compress easily by hand or to be rock solid full of oil?? Please clarify this because it will help lot's of people.

I've read that you do not need to do the oil port mod if you have the kiggly hla and 3g lifters. Does this sound about right?

From your vid, looks like I should NOT have left them filled with oil when I installed them. I should have emptied the oil from them before installing them. Right now I'm getting a lot of tick from the hla's I just installed a 2004 outlander intake which is the same but tougher, reason being the oe on the gallant 2.4 is prone to cracking. So. These HLA should be squishy when installed?

Great lifter info.. im working with a scion xd 1.8 2zr engine my book say you pump the lifters up with oil then install them ? it says if there good they will be hard to push down.. when I install them should they be hard or easy to push down .. any info you have would be helpful...

For instance TopLine has lifters that are labeled revised and have 3mm holes or something. Any idea on them for my 2g?

Adding to my comment it is Toyota corolla 2005. Noise is coming only in cold engine and evident during throttle up and not when throttle down

So after the oil bath and prior to install in the head you just hand push the top to get the oil out? Is the key to make sure it can easily compress by hand to prevent valve damage once installed? Mine started getting noisy on a 6G72 at nearly 270K miles...I need to install new 3G versions in it.

Hey jafro, great vids. I just bled my lifters but 2 of them is stuck or collapsed and wont go back up by themselves, does that mean theyre junk now?

I mean painters Naphtha. Klean-Strip makes it and you can get it at Home Depot or Lowes. Go to their site and search for Naphtha. Yes, all those cans are usually manufactured like that. I use the tuna cans for smaller parts, could use soup cans for taller parts. Make use of what you have. I learned long ago to stay away form the wife's pots and pans; you can get in a lot of trouble! LOL

hi i need ur help. I have a sound coming from toyota corrolla when engine is cold, but goes away when it is warm. i looked at valve train to see if that sound come from there, to me it is not, i expreince valve ticking noise in mitsubishi and this noise is not like that.. so how do i differentiate valve ticking noise and bottom end noise(pistion slap or rod knock noise). I assume if noise goes away after engine warm up, can i assume it is not valve and pistion slap and it could be rod knock .

What about filling the can with Naptha instead and boiling it on a hot plate? That is what I did and all of the crap came right out. I did it two or three times with a fresh bath.

I have lost motion assemblies, honda/oem arent great & they updated them to springs, but they cost 250 new. how could i determine if my current lma's (not running) are good or not ? all of them seem to rebound.

11:33 to 11:50 you almost set the can on top of that ant lol

Strange, I was looking at my lifters today and they are 1st gen, small pee hole at the top but its a 97 talon tsi AWD 7bolt, head swap or did some 97s come this way?

So I've got an evo 9, should have the 3g lifters in it. They've suddenly started making a ruckus. *abnormally loud. (They were noisy but acceptable before) Would you take them out and clean them, or just buy new 3g lifters?

Hi I am having noise in Toyota valve train it has solid lifters. I hear noise only in morning till warm up. It comes only when I step on throttle don't know if lifter noise come only on throttle up. Pls advise

Jafromobile, are you an advocate for full synthetic oils (post break in)?

its amazing how much of the GSX went into the Hyundai

@Jafromobile

5 жыл бұрын

...because Hyundai Elantra. I mean... it's fine, let's give it another go... lol

Question? I have a 4g63 non turbo off a 92 eclipse gs, im going to buy new ones but would you recommend for me to buy 3g lifters to replace the 1g? and will they be a direct fit or would I have to modify anything? Thanks for the video very good information. do you have one on removing/installing them?

Jafro, you had these in a specific order (hence the ice trays) but then mixed them all up. I'm assuming it doesn't matter what order you put them back in? I was under the impression that that's very important to do.

@Jafromobile

7 жыл бұрын

Once I assessed that half of them were trash, it didn't matter anymore. What you want to do is keep them in order unless a part looks unusually worn. In a valve train, other parts can contribute to that so it's important to know what goes wear until you have a full assessment. When it comes to valves, yes. They must all stay in the holes they came from. Hydraulic valve train? Eh, it doesn't hurt, but a properly-functioning hydraulic valve train is self-adjusting.

You are the f'ing Man!! Thank You! Can you go in to detail on an interference engine?

@Jafromobile

5 жыл бұрын

An interference engine is simply an engine whose valvetrain will occupy the same physical space inside the combustion chamber as the pistons, just not at the same time. If these events do occur simultaneously it ends with a catastrophic failure of the engine. On a non-interference engine, the valves can be fully opened when the piston is at top-dead-center without making contact with one another. You can snap a timing belt on a non-interference engine and experience no mechanical failures after replacing the timing belt. With an interference engine, your only hope is to get lucky. Sometimes you get lucky, but it's still the kind of a failure you should take very seriously. It's usually toast, but I've seen people get lucky more than once. Look for "Cylinder Head 206". It's mostly about valve clearance, valve timing and Lobe Separation Angles but in it, I made a pretty detailed animation of what happens when you get your valve timing or clearance wrong with an interference engine. I fully explain DOHC valve timing in Cylinder Head 205 and degreeing the cams to their baselines, including making your own tools to do it. It's pretty intense. The Hyundai engine assembly begins after Cylinder Head 206 in the video timeline. I don't have a video specifically about that topic, but there are a lot of ASE certified mechanics like ETCG who do. I only have videos addressing my specific problems related to interference engines, why I have them, and how to tune around the valve clearance issues associated with them. Basically my videos are the full rabbit hole for when people figure out they have an interference DOHC engine and decided they wanted to know more.

Awesome and informative! What oil do you use in your DSM and why? I see you used Havoline in this video. I assume it's because it's very cheap to acquire and to use for this task. I run Royal Purple and was thinking of swapping to Amsoil Fully Synthetic for my 11 Genesis Coupe. Which do you think is better and why? I was told Amsoil is far superior being it was the first synthetic oil ever on the market and can take more abuse that Royal Purple. Getting my DSM very soon...;-)

Another great video! But I do have one question for you tho. Iv read online that you can modify 1g lifters by drilling the top oil hole out slightly. What are your thoughts? Thank you and keep up the great videos :)!

@Jafromobile

8 жыл бұрын

+Seth Martin I'd be concerned with leaving metal dust down inside the pee holes that would get ground up in the rockers or cam journals. It may work, sure… and I too have seen this… but a brand new set of 3rd revision Topline 4g63 lifters are so cheap on ebay that I don't know why people experiment with this. I think I got mine for like $80. That's only $5 each.

One part I don't understand is at the end where you prime them with oil but then say to bleed the oil out before installing. What's the point of pumping them up with oil and leaving them in the can?

i have a slight problem i cant seem to get my lifters out of the head i believe they are 2g lifters

Could you soak the lifters in Mineral spirits? Is that a good enough solvent to clean them? Since Kerosene is pretty difficult to get a hold of in my area.

@Jafromobile

8 жыл бұрын

+BoostedCajun Yes, and you'd need to oil them immediately afterwards because they're made from ferrous materials that will rust if left oil-free. Internally, that could cause them to stick. So yes, mineral spirits, Kerosene, Diesel, etc… all would work fine and there's really no difference between using mineral spirits and the process I showed here because I oiled them immediately afterwards.

I just bought some lifters for a '99 expedition. I was told to use a paper clip to inject oil in them otherwise the rollers could slip off and cause severe engine damage, but you're saying if they're rock solid they'll bend valves. What do I do please?

LOL the ant @ 11:29

hey jafro, i just picked up a dohc head for my 4g64 turbo, and it came off a 97 gst that walked. traded a broken android tablet for it with the cams and valve cover and cas. anyway, it has 1g hlas in it...... someone probably change them i suppose, btw its a g6k head. i also did a hydro leak test and 3 of the cylinders failed, and one of those failed MISERABLY, leaking the whole port full of water is around 45 seconds, i'll be rebuilding the head anyway so i'm not worried

Oops I replied to your reply and didnt realize my girlfriend had signed in, This is still goosemonique,

I also have HLA made video on watch that too

Do you have a link to where the 3g hla can be bought?

I've found out by accident that shooting air into the check valve/lower piston that it shoots itself straight out of the lifter body.

@Jafromobile

10 жыл бұрын

LOL! Never even thought of that. It's a check valve. Indeed that would work. I just like any reason I can find to play with fire.

Great vid. One of the better tech vids on YT! I have a DOHC Neon that has been laying down power wise just a bit after a couple laps... I just installed later version HLA's and am excited to see the difference. Neon guys only talk about two versions... We might have skipped the 1G?

@Jafromobile

9 жыл бұрын

Chris Rallo It's a different lifter, but they're extremely similar.

Hello I need HEEELLPPPP!!!! I have problem with my lifters, I have hyundai sonata 1998 2.0 102kw that is mitsubishi engine, i order on ali all 16 lifters and that is not that. In your video i see that have 1-2-3- gen lifters and they send to me 2gen. 2gen lifters is litle short then 1gen. How to fix that and what i'm supposed to do.

I have watched several videos on dis assembling a lifter. Everyone does it pretty much the same way, and it works very effectively for everyone. EXCEPT ME ! The piston inside my lifters, will NOT come out. In have tried all the tricks I have seen, like pushing the check ball down to relieve suction. I even tried heating the lifter up a bit, based on the simple premise that air expands when heated. That didn't work either. I thought maybe I just had a stubborn lifter. I tried 3 more. Same thing. I am at a loss. Do I simply need new lifters? Thank You

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