Cycloidal Rotor Airplane: The Cycloplane
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Cycloidal rotor propulsion is being used on new vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, but how about using a cyclorotor for forward flight instead of purely hovering? I strapped a few cyclorotors on a simple RC airplane design to put it to the test versus a regular propeller, and the results are explosive.
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The cyclorotor isn’t really a new concept; it has been used for tugboat propulsion for quite some time. It works by pitching the blades around their rotation so that they each always have a positive angle of attack relative to their motion around the spinning axis. One potential advantage they offer while operating in air is that their ‘tip’ speed is much lower than a conventional propeller for the same thrust, so they can be much quieter. With the proper mechanical linkage and servos, their thrust vector can also be rotated almost instantly for increased maneuverability. Will cyclos ever replace regular propellers? Probably not. But that won’t stop me from continuing to explore them in future videos-so if you enjoyed, please consider leaving a like on this video and subscribing so you don’t miss more videos like this one.
00:00 Intro
00:29 How a Cyclorotor Makes Thrust
01:32 Designing a New Cyclorotor
02:35 Building the Cyclorotors
03:16 Thrust Stand Testing
05:40 Cycloplane Build and Flights
07:19 Cycloplane Explosion
08:06 Conclusions
#Cyclorotor #Cyclocopter #Drone
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Haha, I've often sniffed an airplane to diagnose the problem. Great job as always Nick! Impressive project to pull off.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks James! Cycloidal rotor boat? I’ve got some .stls with your name on them
@Project-Air
2 жыл бұрын
@@NicholasRehm Great idea! Feel free to send them over!
@rex8255
2 жыл бұрын
My Father sniffs the oil in his cars to see if it needs to be changed. He's a Stanford Civil Engineering grad, and had a 30+ year career in Aerospace, including the Lockheed L-1011. You're (IMHO) in good company using aromatic diagnostic techniques.
@neo1231
Жыл бұрын
"That smells very warm" 🤣
@3dprintworld503
Жыл бұрын
collab pls
This is a super interesting idea, I really do like how good projects from the early 1900´s can have a better research with today technologies
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Lemme know if there’s any other cool designs I should try
@DashzRight
2 жыл бұрын
If the design was left 100 years ago, it means it sucks. Simply.
@BrapBrapDorito
Жыл бұрын
@@DashzRight Many designs are viable now due to advances in material science and miniaturization of components. Hypernormalizing this into “it probably sucks” isn’t a good way to get anywhere.
@evanbarnes9984
Жыл бұрын
@@DashzRight and that's why we don't use AC or DC current anymore, right? Or radio signals?
@x808drifter
Жыл бұрын
@@evanbarnes9984 Yeah but we didn't "leave" those like was said either.
I love the style and pacing of this video. Solid designs and solid testing! Excited for more!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Very much appreciated Michael. This video took way longer than it should have lol
that is the next level. fusion of plane, heli, and drone.
Genius in engineering, I’m very impressed!
This looks awesome! Congratulations, and well done!
It's great to see your progress! It looks like you had some amazing sustained flights. Much better than my little glide. 😂 I never realized that the one airfoil acts like a wing during forward flight, but that makes sense now. That and probably the higher airflow for the bottom rotor (the one with lots of helpful virtual camber) gives something like a 36% decrease in power consumption at higher speeds. I'll hopefully get my third attempt at a cycloplane flying in the coming months; It'll be interesting to see if it has the same general flight characteristics as yours (hopefully excluding the exploding rotor). Good luck on future projects, I can't wait to see the cool things that you come up with.
@oadka
2 жыл бұрын
Subscribed to your channel! Wish you good luck!
4:03 You may see propeller thrust but I see your subscriber trend
Fascinating concept. Thanks for building it!
Great job comparing their performance! Cycloidal rotor will need a lot of optimization to reach a propeller performance. So for me it looks interesting as a concept, but is far from be worth due its complexity and inherent multiple failure modes.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree that it’ll take some more iterating and optimizing. Appreciate your comment!
It's amazing to see a man like you trying to make a revolution! God bless you! I really hope you can make it!
Because of the larger "rotor area/wing area" I feel like these could be more efficient, but because of the mechanical complexity will require more maintenance.
Good job. That's amazing.
it's always great to see someone doing research like this. Great work!
I like your jovial response to calamity and disaster Nicholas! And thanks for sharing this research. I'll be checking out your link to Jude Schauer and coming back to see what else you have been doing. Subscribed!
Great video! That 'unexpected result' has got to be one of the funniest ever!
You did a good job there, well done.
I love your projects, thanks X3 for sharing it, I kind of impersonate the young experience ; ) and knowledgeable science, I enjoyed it thoroughly
"Please work." *giggles. Immediately clicks subscribe*
Admirable work-through of a funny idea!
Looking forward to your upcoming videos. This is hyper cool stuff!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Great video! this is an interesting project. I'm now wondering if these rotors could be built in/incorporated into a wing where the rotors "tuck in"/"rotate in" to the wing when/where they would be perpendicular to the direction of travel/where they are creating drag and not lift. I'll add this to the endless list of projects I want to get to.
You genius SOB ! Awsome!
You efforts are so useful and rewarding.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, great to see you’re still working on the f-35
I found you again… The cyclo plane is really cool but I just watched your drone cyclo copter and I said do not give up you are not allowed… Well seriously this type of propulsion is the most beautiful of all you must continue. Like a majestic paddleboat in the South Mississippi River this is the most beautiful concept… I will not allow you to give up… Go go go yea… The coolest ever
dude, quite impressive work! thanks for sharing... u r a freaking inventor! great stuff, keep it up! Cheers!
Very Nice. I don't have any practical knowledge of the cyclo rotor but I just learnt a lot from your video. Thank you very much.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Your builds are awesome, thanks for the comment
@ezonigs3107
2 жыл бұрын
@@NicholasRehm wow! Thank you very much.
Thanks very innovative and learn a lot from you!
That method will increase the effect on a vertical wind power. Very interesting. Good work. Take care.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Goran!
Wider front wheels might have prevented that. But either way that first flight was successful even though the second one wasn't. Brilliant job
Honestly, it could be something else than the blades themselves: it could be all of the stuff built around to control their angle of attack. Nice work anyway, that's a lovely dev, thank you for the video!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly with the blades and linkages removed, it only draws something like 5% more power than an unloaded motor
awesome!
I do not understand any of this but I admire your enthusiasm.
This is amazing!!!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Iggy
Good research and experiment!+
I Love This! I'm almost done with mine, I can't wait to show y'all!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait!!
Interesting project, may take years if not decades to perfect. 👍
cool idea ..fun stuff
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
It'd make a decent vtol candidate, right? Because it has nearly infinitely variable thrust angles from straight up to straight forward, without having to pivot motors at all. Also, great work and thanks for sharing. Sorry it detonated, but... Science!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, thanks. Yea I’m very interested in the control authority it offers for a higher speed vtol through transition. Baby steps until we get there!
7:21 the BUILD UP. the SILENCE. I’m dead hahaha awesome work
You rock,guy!!
FASCINATING
I may be premature and giving a suggestion I flew RC helicopters back in the 70s we didn’t have gyros back then but we did have coged belts or timing belt, I think it will help you greatly. Keep up the good work my friend you have amazing ideas
Reminds of that old black and white vintage video of the cycloroter that flew apart a everyone running away!
Usually one such rotor is divided into two. In order to arrange the blades in a checkerboard pattern. It is very difficult to make a blade that bends at the desired angle. It is difficult to make the blades herringbone. It is difficult to put the blades in a spiral..This is a challenging puzzle.
7:45 lol at the frozen reaction during the rain of parts
Impressive
I saw this rotor design in a old documentary video about helicopter history! If I remembered correctly I think it was from 1930 or something
Very cool video!👍
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
Good idea.
Keep on going. Investmets are waiting for you
This seems very similar to the Voith Schneider Propeller. These are used on tug boats and have the amazing ability to maneuver the tug in any direction.
I had many thoughts about the same scheme, but with the rotors placed instead of tail elevator & stabilizer. Some kind of combined pusher & active thrust vectoring.
Cheers!! Bro
hi nicholas, i wrote to jude also, that this drive (like the voith-schneider prop on ships) gives different performance with number of blades, length of blades, length to breadth ratio of the blades. the voith-schneider played a lot in water. i imagine in air have other numbers
Impressive project. What a sad ending
Love the paddle steamer plane :D
2nd attempt to take of is gorgeous...
looks very smouthe and stabel
"I need to take a break from Cyclorotors..." ...since its bad to end up like a homicidal maniac... "...but I learned alot..!" ...about my patience limits 😆 Good show, that spray of parts was truly epic... reminds me when I gave up on RC airplanes.
By not reading other comments, intriguing but rule of engineering thumb more moving parts creates higher risk of failure, this is why the basic fan, propeller is still used today in planes and ships.
I would consider experimenting with different shaped blades, e.g. with more curvature. Maybe inflatable would be good for easy changes making testing a lot faster.
Something new and weird is always good, even if it ends up in bits 😄
This concept works very well under a tugboat in the Voith-Schneider cycloidal drive. That’s because the weight and strength of the components is not a restrictive factor. Your project is wonderfully fascinating, but will always be fragile, I fear. 🤜🤛
Very good engineering.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael!
Great job on the project. In the slow motion shot it appears the right rotor exploded before the plane rolled to the left and caused the left rotor to hit the ground. Can you determine if it was a structural failure or did it hit something? I'm looking forward to your next adventure!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm very good catch. The right rotor did suffer a little mishap off camera that needed repairs. Poor left rotor was collateral damage it seems
@Nicholas Rehm Try using a notched belt so tension / slippage isn't so much of an issue. Besides the tension could torque the frame causing it to twist as more thrust is being applied.
This was educational, fun and created with care. Definitely worth a sub! So count me in!
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
You are too kind, very happy you enjoyed
This is Steampunk as hell and I'm here for it
A flatter/flat wing with ailerons will give you much better roll control, then you can use rudder for ground steering (without the roll) and banknyank for flight control.
How would that work in a narrower version along the leading edge of the wing
Good luck ✌✌
Would adding or subtracting blades on the rotors help? Adding more blades to be like a turbine engine or blower motor fan in an automobile or taking away and going to three to save on weight?
can you put ducts and cages over the propellors?
will the 3d print parts be releases? I really want to try and make one.
I wonder if you could replace a canard with a cyclorotor and use them as a joint control surface/ lift generator/thrust generator?
Would a canard configuration with the rotors between the wings be better?
Awesome Nick! Where did you get your info to make one? How do you keep them pitching correctly?
Makes me wonder what front wheel drive car engine with a continuous ended crank?
the ends of each cycloblades should be a solid dish, would that not reduce noise but at the cost of weight?
You do the stuff I imagine Samm Sheperd would do if he were still alive. I'm glad I found your channel.
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Rest easy, Samm. This is such an amazing comment to receive, thank you.
So would that design catch wind well for a wind generator
what is the angle of attack of the foils that generates lift?
Nice Vid, I subbed
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
You rock
this mechanism is also used in some very unique tug boats as well. Could make a boat vs. a plane. :-)
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea
Beautiful explosion there :p
Sounds a lot more peaceful when it flies
2:16 that is what good experimenting will do. Love it, keep at it ! 3:40 that’s correct. Don’t base your work on comparisons. You will find different values of performance to be sure, as you are finding out. 6:50 try serpentine belts , toothed belts will rip apart if they jump the teeth, or over load the shafting, slipping a bit will let you bring it home at least .😊
Nice job Nick! Couldn't have done it witout Winklemans class...
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
All thanks to the zener diode
Hi @nicholas rehm what is the clearance/tolerance given for the miniature bearing to get fitted into the 3d printed cyclorotor arm
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the part size and printer resolution
When it spins. The flaps, even though position slim, causes wind vortex friction. Perhaps a quarter circle frame beam, could shield the return rotation of the fins from the drag of open exposed atmosphere. This only requires a rotate 1/4th circle frame.
I expect some of the efficiency tapering off is due to the motor running out of steam and torque at the high end
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
The gearing ratio definitely has the motor at the right side of the torque/power plot. Probably would benefit from a higher gearing ratio in the next iteration
Ojalá que sí veamos este diseño en un futuro cercano
love the concept! but if I could ask for something: it would be really interesting to compare different numbers of blades on these, specifically three and six would be something i'd wish to see!
The prop makes 3x more noise - but gives 3x more thrust ^^
you could make an amazing oscillating fan with this
Voith Drive, nice
Hey. crazy question. What if you added more fins down the 4 shaft assblies? In other word a bi, tri, or quad plane design. Or...what if you added 6, 8 or more shafts assemblies? In other words, what a turbine is to a propeller, make the eqiuvalency of that to this. Another thing I noticed...what if you made it wider? Instead of having the end be not supported you have a fork design hold the other side with a bearing or another motor. Visualize it like this. The standard x shape of a drone but with the assemly held by the posts in the empty part of the x. Did any of that make any sense to anyone?
I spit my coffee out at the satisfaction attained by pressing in bearings. Is that my dirty mind showing or did I really get the joke that was meant?
@NicholasRehm
2 жыл бұрын
I just like the tight tolerances. You need Jesus lol
Science!!! Nicely done. I wonder how much efficiency is lost through pitching the blades through a full cycle/rotation? Have you experimented with moving the pivot point?