Nice one Phil, I can only imagine it was a lot more enjoyable in real life with the great views and good weather... after your recent videos its definitely on the bucket list! Entered the draw, great to see your channel deserves it!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Much more enjoyable in real life Giorgio 💯😁 - and with the good weather, absolute perfection. Galibier from La Grave remains my favourite though 🤩 Get your van and bikes out there - a proper playground 👌. Good luck in the prize draw 🍀

Great video mate - had a bit of everything there. Got the views, got the mates, got the science, even got a prize in it. Big fan of the jersey you had on for the Grimpee!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nick 🙏 - can’t beat a little bro science 😅 🧪 . I love that jersey too - bought it ahead of my ride in the Peak District with David Raynham - it’s The Francine, Breton Jersey. Good luck in the prize draw 🍀. PS Am genuinely only just recovering from our ‘little’ outing - actually dropped watts on my assault on Swain’s Lane today 😅.

Great work Phil!!! This puts a great perspective on both the real and virtual settings we now find ourselves in. I am now an enthusiastic subscriber!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Richard 🙏 - thats very kind of you to say so, and we also appreciate you subscribing 💯 I started my cycling journey on Zwift, so always wandered how the courses, power and speed indoors translated outside, which is how I ended up riding out and doing little comparisons such as this 👍

Oooh. A Raffle! I am in! Great comparison video Phil. Altitude is so incredibly important. So is wind, and road resistance. But I must say Zwift got the alpe segment down really, really well. Hope to see the wattbike back soon!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed Gerben 💯 - Alpe du Zwift, is truly excellent, and enables us to practice ahead of the real thing. I was surprised about the impact of altitude on the power though, and explore this in a little video with an hour of power to come . Hoping to be back on the WattBike in about 10days 🤞 Very best of luck in the prize draw 🍀

Fantastic footage, sir! One day I hope to climb Alpe d'Huez irl, preferably on a brand spanking new Willier, too (I'd settle for 0 SL in black and red, though)! This has quickly become my favourite cycling channel. Can't wait for new vides after your recovery.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much, Wes 🙏 - that’s massively appreciated and hugely motivating 💯. And for sure its an incredible place to cycle - Alpe D’Huez in real life is beautiful - and better still in the area are La Soreen and Galibier from La Grave (check out my Col Du Galibier video from around the same time last year )

Thank you Phillip for the most fascinating comparison. I rode in the Pyrenees recently and was stunned by the effects of jet lag and power loss. Mine was much less science and more exasperation and next time I’ll allow for the time to get acclimated before heading on a bike packing trip.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute pleasure Greg 💯 - and for sure I too was unpleasantly surprised. I didn’t really start to feel decent until La Marmotte itself. They say it takes a 10 days to acclimatise to the impact of living at altitude - and I did a little test to demonstrate the effect 2 days after returning to London 👍. Thanks ever so much for your super positive support 🙏

Had to watch the vlog twice Phil, great comparison! Jane deserves a bespoke e-bike for the excellent camera work.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry - that’s hugely appreciated 🙏 Was a pleasure to film and edit 💯. I’d love to get Jayne a nice Wilier e-bike or a Pinerello Nitro - but at this stage she’s not tempted 😫

Smashing video as usual, thanks for the info. Brilliant.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Dennis 🙏 - massively appreciated as ever! An incredible climb virtually as well as real life 💯

Love this climb. Done it in a few times in both hot and cold weather. Going to be there for the tour next year.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more m bee 🐝 - it’s a lovely climb 🤩 . Will be a sensational stage at next year’s tour - nice trip 👌

Great vid Phill, fantastic views irl on the Alpe. I entered the draw too, although i'm never lucky at these. Something to win for free, and me a Scotsman; hold me back. On my pension it might be the only way i can afford one of these fantastic shirts - still, the lottery is on this week (lol). I can't believe that you cycled the Alpe du Zwift with just oven an hour to your movers coming; that's REAL commitment to your viewers. I'd have needed 2 hours for the climb, an hour to cool down, 30 mins for stretching and more for a shower; in fact i wouldn't have done it, her indoors would have had a 'face on'. Keep the great content coming. ;)))

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers John - thats extremely kind of you 🙏 - and veery best of luck in the prize draw 💯🍀.. or better still the lottery 😁 I’d been ill in the 3 days prior - so was left with no alternative to riding the Alpe on the day of the move….and then cut it too too fine ! But all right on the night ! Thanks ever so much for your support and encouragement 🙏

Fantastic. Perfect weather. I rode Alpe as the third stage of a Haute Route event. The real one took me 5 mins longer than Zwift. But similar experience.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nick 🙏 - we were certainly blessed with incredible weather 💯. That’s very impressive of you to have just 5mins slower during stage 3 of a Haute Route ✊ - super strong 💪

Amazing big blue sky Phil. So many cables on the front of Jane’s bike, it looked like a birds nest.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

We had incredible weather for all but part of La Marmotte itself, Stuart - truly lucky💯 Yep - Jayne’s bike wasn’t easy on the eye, but boy ohhh boy could it clime fast (was slow on the flat though - max 24km/h) 🤣

You certainly had the weather gods on your side, You seemed to be a fantastic help with the packing 😀...entered the comp 🤞

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

We sure did have the weather and cycling gods on our side Kev 💯 - an absolutely epic week 🤩 We had packers…. but as you can see my contribution to the events was err a little last minute.com 🤣 Good luck in the comp - the winter stuff is incredible 🍀

Hey Phil, I´m pretty sure you were much faster on the Wattbike with a fan!! Don´t underestimate the cooling of your body with a fan.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Tom 🙏- appreciate you reaching out 👍. Yep the fan helps for sure 💯

Omg Phil, I started watching this video thinking about the stunning views, then switched to thinking Jayne’s a superstar for riding it with you for filming purposes …. But then you’re surrounded by boxes, you have 1 hour before the removal men come and you jump on the bike 🤣 Jayne deserves all the kudos, she’s an absolute superstar! In all seriousness, I hope the move went well, and you’re feeling better after 3 days of sickness. I was laughing at a finish of 50 minutes 💪 If I’m at turn 8 at 60 minutes I’m doing well. Next time I do it I’ll add a comment on zwift about your channel which is absolutely brilliant 👌

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thats super super lovely of you Pena 💯🙏😊 - really appreciate you doing that! And there is no doubt Jayne is a superstar - her first ever 2 climbs were Alpe d’Huez followed by Col du Glandon !! Not a bad way to open your account e-bike or not !! And for sure chaos rained down the morning of the move - I’d not have left it so late, but wasn’t well enough to ride, and then realised I would have the WattBike for weeks/months - so needed to get the job done 😅. We’re still in the Air B&B, but hoping to be out of that by mid next week - with WattBike back 🤞

Another cracking video , loved it .

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Sean 🙏 - that’s hugely appreciated 💯👍

Wonderful effort you are an inspiration to me!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Brent 🙏 that’s beyond generous of you to say so

Great job Phill! So 8.9%, and wasnt heathrow 9-10% difference?? Gotta love the TRUE science that this channel bring to the world!! :):)

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Ahh Paul - too to kind 💯😊. Yep - 10-12% slower on the flat. So now definitive science that I am sure Dr David Dearlove would certainly like me to publish in a reputed medical journal 😁

Thanks for the upload.awesome views and beautiful bike,well done💪🔥🚴‍♂️

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure Rob 💯 - and thanks ever so much for your kind encouragement 🙏 A magical part of the world 🤩

The scenery... man amazing

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Bernd 🙏 - and for sure a magical part of the world - views on views🤩 Check out my recent Galibier video - that was stunning on another level 🤩🤩🤩

Such a great climb. I stopped in the same spot in 2019 to take photo's (as well as a couple of other spots too) on the way up, so I'd say zwift is faster too...no photo stops on zwift! I do hope you have done the descent turning at Huez and going down the side of the mountain. Being stuck in the worlds most locked down city for the time being, video's like yours give hope that the rest of the world is getting back to a new normal. Keep pedaling!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Genius Matt - the photo stop inefficiency 😁 We drove up the Alpe along the route that comes out of the village of Huez - but I didn’t do the descent . Very nice climb 👌. And best of luck to you in terms of getting out of the lock down restrictions . Cases are rising rapidly here - and I think more restrictions will be imposed 🍀

Great video as always- hope the move goes well!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Alex 🙏 - we hugely appreciate your kind encouragement 💯. Currently still in the Air B&B, but hoping to move into Jayne’s old flat for 3-4 months whilst we figure out what to do 👍

Another great vid Phil. From Box Hill to Box Hell ! Best wishes on the relocation, always stressful but new horizons beckon.👍😀

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Genius Stephen 🤣👌 - I couldn’t believe how much we had in a flat that was pretty tidy !! Thanks ever so much - the week in the Alps was sensational, so a pleasure to make these vids. Hoping to move out the Air B&B and into Jayne’s old flat in 1 week, and then figure out where to go long term 👍

@stephenbrophy7310

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy Sincerely hope you resolve your longer term accommodation soonest. Look forward to a resumption of your autumn/winter season live streams all going well. 👍

Zwift’s algorithms are specific to a riders ‘honesty’ about certain settings and of course the ‘in game’ graphics are quite entertaining but the reality of a real outdoor ride up a real mountain where gravity and weather conditions play their part in your performance are really hard to replicate. Amazing video and kudos for uploading. 👍

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much for your very thoughtful and kind comment, GM🙏. And agreed - I love Zwift, and it’s amazing to keep the fitness ticking over during the winter, but I’ll be doing much more outside this year than last for all the reasons you state 👍

@GM-vk8jw

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy I have discovered Graeme Obree’s book The Obree Way and he basically says that Turbo Training is about truth. Make the turbo trainer resistance fixed, make your bike gear fixed and your time training fixed. You now have a ride of truth. Speed is distance over time. Your performance is the only variable. No virtual power or anything except your speed. How far you go in your chosen time depends on your speed. 1 trainer (fixed resistance) 1 bike (fixed gear) 1 clock (1 hour) 1 rider Go as hard as you can. Recover Repeat when recovery is good. Group rides bring lots of variables but allow certain freedoms. Graeme Obree beat Moser’s World Hour Record and he also beat Chris Boardman in the World’s. He has said that his turbo trainer is so important it would be the first thing he would take from his house if his house was on fire. With this set up your goal is to cover more distance in the hour. To do that need to get faster. Enjoy your rides and keep your bikes the right way up. Big hills + big chain ring = A stronger rider. 🎩

Great video as usual Phil! But man, Jane totally outperformed you up Alpe d'Huez, leisurely cycling up while you were suffering. It looked like she had plenty of batteries left in the tank as well! 😉😀

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Marek 💯 Jayne absolutely destroyed me up the Alpe 😅 - that bike went incredibly fast uphill (pretty slow on the flat) and had great battery range . Check out her second ever Col - Galibier where she spun nonchalantly all the way up that too!!

The Alp is on my list. Truth be said it is my list. I’m a flat lander. So I think to practice on swift would be a game changer. Thanks for the insight on the climb.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Kelvin - and was the same for me. The Alpe was my list too - so I rode it back in late 2019, after practicing on Zwift. Hired a bike, didnt have a Strava account let a lone a power meter, and rode up it on feel. I reckon Zwift is very realistic - provided the trainer difficulty is set such that you run out of gears on Zwift at about the same gradient as you’d run out in real life . Best of luck with it 🍀

Brilliant video, Phill. I'd love to try some Zwift segments in real life. No need for science though, I know I'm so much faster indoors 😂

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Katie 🙏 - and definitely try a few when you get the chance. I did a comparison on Box Hill, and can confirm the Zwift replica is excellent, and also Leith - which is steeper in real life and both are much prettier 🤩 The Alpe is definitely a place to make a pilgrimage to 💯

Thank you Phil, especially the view at the beginning of the video was amazing. The team is perfect(you and sister Jane :)) ) By the way electric bike is not for us :))) Absolutely Willier numberone. I enjoyed watching mate. See you mate. You are a goodman. Bye.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed Atakan - the view at the beginning was sublime, wasn’t it 🤩😊 ! Hope you have had an amazing weekend - and loving your roller training 👌. Yep - the e-bike served a purpose for us - but the Wilier is number 1 💙

Great content as always Phill. Loved the fact that you dialled back your targets midway ; a very prudent thing to do given the altitude aspect. What HR monitor are you using with your ELEMNT ? Was watching some of your older FTP videos the other night. Your knowledge of diet, physiology, training regimes etc is epic. More so, the fact that you stick by all your long term goals. 10/10 for inspiration ! Well done on bagging the free jersey too. Clearly, retailers see you as a very honourable ambassador. Another testament to your outlook and all round dedication to cycling

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

As always thanks ever so much for your incredible encouragement and support, Calum 🙏💯 - and for sure it was necessary to drop the power, albeit very frustrating. Nothing worse than blowing up on a big climb…. 😳. I really enjoy the lifestyle - and love to learn new things about the training, nutrition and recovery - plus experiment on myself - which makes it much easier to stick to my goals. And when something new creates a little progress - thats super motivating. I love the Cafe du Cyclist clothes and have spent a little too much on my credit card there of late 😅 - especially some of their new winter stuff - so definitely worth entering the prize draw 👌

@cals.9269

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy - indeed Phill, their gear is lovely. I entered my details and pointed my wife in their direction too LOL !

Apologies, but within ten seconds I had to comment, amazing views once again. Plus, nice re the jersey as it looks a nice piece of clothing. Thank you again for the content.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Jonathan- I massively appreciate you reaching out so fast with such a motivating comment ! 🙏 Makes a huge difference 💯 I’m loving their winter jerseys and jackets also - god luck in the prize draw 🍀

@saintuk70

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy thank you, on all counts and thank you for the motivation too. Hope your move went well and looking forward to the "off season" content.

Very interesting, Phill. I love what you did on your bike on the RL roads this summer, though I miss the Saturday morning Zwift races. The views are certainly more beautiful, IRL. Where are villages in Zwift among other things? Moving houses always makes ppl more stressfull, perhaps that gives the same disadventage as sleeping on altitude 🤔😉? So great Café de Cyclist send you another kit. They must have noticed these kits suit you well.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Agnes - I’ve loved meeting up with people and riding out, but I too am missing the live streams 💯 However I can report that I’m now likely to have the WattBike back out of storage for 30th October - so normal service will resume ! Agreed - the Alpe du Zwift misses out on the villages, and isn’t nearly as beautiful in the final 1/3. But I think in many ways its actually nicer in the first half - unless you stop on the bike to admire the views into the valley on a few of the hairpins 🤩 Love the Cafe du Cycliste kit - and the ladies stuff is incredible also. Definitely enter the prize draw, because the winter jerseys and jackets are incredible !

@agnesrosalinde

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy yes, those kits are very stylish, true the womens as well. Yes I will do a price draw. Glad livestreams will be back.

Great vlog. Moving is a pita.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Brian 🙏 - it sure is a PITA 😁 💯

Nice comparison Phill, though I can guess which one was more fun. 😃 But, am I going mad, I got a sense of Deja vu that you’ve done a Comparison before way back in the early days. Tell me I’m not going mad 😆

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 Tony - I can confirm that you remain a man of logic and sanity 💯 Yep - it was one of my early videos, I hired a bike from Cycle Huez at the top of the Alpe, rode down and then back up - and I did it without any power, or even a Strava account or knowledge of segments! Was a magical day - and I thought I’d remake it better… 🤞

Yes Phil, nice one. You’ve caught me and my club mate Jonny on camera at 5 mins 35. I’m in the yellow kit on the Red S Works

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Simon 🙏 - that’s the beauty of the rear camera - and for sure you looked the business in the bright yellow jersey 💪

@simonworsley8631

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy 😂 thanks Phil ! You put almost 15 minutes into us as I was about 67 minutes for the Grimpee de l’alpe

Beautiful Wilier

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Matthieu 🙏 - I sure do love riding her 💙

its great to see the difference , great vlog, hope you have moved to somewhere nice...

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon 🙏 - that’s hugely appreciated! We’ve been in an Air B&B - but are about to move into Jayne’s flat for the next 6months - and then find somewhere permanent 🤞

the end of an era at the flat, been many a shake downed, and many iced spiced buns consumed, it was a star in its own right and i for one will miss it, enjoy the next chapter 👌great comparison Zwift will forever be faster but without altitude taken into account, could the gap be smaller, probably, zwift surely cant be blamed for that (unfortunately) but a solid comparison never the less 🙌

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Very much the end of an era, Paul - last 11 years there ! And for sure I’ll never again have a little recovery corner with such spectacular views 🤩. I think I confused things with the Zwift comparison - because by riding at 250W I rode at the power I was able to deploy for the real thing. So altitude didnt impact on the time difference between the two. It would have impacted had I gone max effort indoors instead of 250. I think it’s mainly down to the road and aero resistance - and even Ruben who was not impacted by the altitude because he had spent a lot of time in the mountains over the summer was about 5mins slower for the same power. So I reckon the delta is about right 🤞. Looking forward to getting back on Zwift and seeing you in Watopia 💪

Enjoyed the video! You definitely need to change the trainer difficulty, even down to 50%. It doesn’t make it easier (the same power is required) you’ll just need to change gear slightly less and you may ride a slightly higher gear. It’ll feel so much better if you’re not grinding at 45w (not quite as bad as yellow bike guy!) - more efficient and better on your joints.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ste 🙏 - hope all good ! Yep - I’ve run a few comparisons on TD100% vs 50% (see video from about 10months ago). The think is that whilst the power is the same, it doesn’t prepare you for the super steep gradients - so in real life I run out of gears at about 12% even with a 32 on the back, so prefer the realism of running out of gears at a similar point on Zwift . But yes - easier on the joints 💯

Best thing i ever did for my indoor trainer is getting a fan…I actually run two!!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

💯 Nic - couldn’t agree more! I also run 2 - makes life much more pleasant 👌

Loved the video, very informative with stats. Used to work at 6000ft for 4 months, at first cardio exercise was very tough but once I return to sea level I felt amazing 💪💪......working my way through your videos but you ever tried an Everest?

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Living at 6000ft for 4months!! You’d definately get a good adaption over that period - not surprised you felt amazing back at sea level, Scott ! 💯. Thanks ever so much for your encouragement and support. I’ve not yet tried an Everest, La Marmotte was tough enough .. and adding 3500m to that will take some building up to I reckon 😅

Nice video Phil. I personally wasn't really affected by the altitude. I did arrive a few days earlier though, so I might had acclimatised already. Only on the first night I noticed a bit of labored breathing, but the rest of the time I had no issues. Also during the Grimpee I had actually a lower heartrate than normal for me. My PB on AdZ I average 255w with avg HR 154, while on the real Alpe I did 263w with 143 HR avg. Maybe I just tolerate the altitude better?

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Marco 🙏 very kind of you as always💯. I’ve filmed a little video to explore this in more detail. But the impact does vary from person to person including the severity and time taken to adapt. I was certainly much better adapted on the Thursday than the Monday . Also I understand that the more time someone has spent at altitude / in the mountains in the previous life, the faster they adapt. So given all of your holidays in the mountains maybe that helps also. 👍

slicky mtb tires :D

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

They sure did need replacing 😅

What time of the year where you at the alpe Phil great content 👍

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much Ross 🙏 - that’s really good of you to say so ! La Marmotte was delayed this year - so it was 30th August to 4th Sept 👍

I did it this sunday :p

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Nice one Tigeeer 💪 - hope you enjoyed it 👌

Oh yeah Phil! You are losing something like 8-12% of oxygen at that altitude (depending on if you are acclimated) and it gets worse as you get higher! I live at 1600m, and did a race that went from 2,286 - to around 4,267. My 75% started feeling like all outs.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ever so much for your insight into this Chris🙏 - thats extremely helpful and backs up a bit of the research I undertook after I realised that altitude might be at play. Living at 1600m must mean you are pretty well adapted to lower oxygen and the big climbs - so if at 2800-4300m you were feeling all in at your 75%, I can’t imagine how I’d have imploded 😅

It makes a difference if you raise your front wheel up 8%. Otherwise you are essentially doing a flat time trial into a headwind.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Greg - and agreed. Usually however I go a bit better in terms of the power on the climb - because I like pushing into the extra resistance 👍

Great video, but just to clear up the altitude point, that limited you to 250w, it doesn’t explain the 4 min difference of two rides done at 250w, just your exertion in generating the 250w. I assume the difference is road surface, drive train efficiency, your body position cda and wind. Any chance you were lighter out in France too?

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Mr Shay - yes the 250W simply reflected the power I was able to deploy in real life due to the altitude - and had no impact on the test results. Good clarification 🙏. Yes - I think that Zwift assumes better aero position for the rider and also generous rolling resistance (temperature shouldn’t have been too much of an issue). 👍

This has really made me want to do the real ride, I always expected Zwift would be much faster. Something about knowing the route from Zwift it makes it so appealing, like driving on a circuit in real life you know from a game (which I'd also love to do!). In the same vain Zwift has made me not want to ride real Ventoux 🤣

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

It was exactly the same for me DJ, climbing Alpe du Zwift and Ventop made me want to do the same in real life 💯👌 It’s very reassuring to climb the real Alpe when you know whats coming - and from the top 1/3 I think its much much more pleasing on the eye 🤩

i am going to test with the steel frame zwifts bike. i think aero in the game is way less demanding than in real life. Zwift rates the steel frame 1 star but the same 2 stars with weight. it may even effect climbs as well. Its good if you want to race you can choose how hard you want to ride.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gaul84 - that’s a great experiment 🧪 👌. And agreed I think it’s the rider position and air resistance settings on Zwift that provide such a speed benefit for each watt. I’ve done a 100km experiment on the flat outside at 234W and the same on Zwift on Tempus Fugit. And the virtual ride was also 10-12% faster - check out the vid 👍

@gaul849

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy Hi riding on the drops usually gives me a 1kmh average difference on the bike the faster i go the more beneficial. I think Zwift bunch up the Pelton up close rather than on real life it would be spread out. Also in real life you would have to ride smooth in the peloton otherwise you could run into the riders around you. While it could be imp lamented in AI or offline simulation it may be harder to do online because who would want knocked off there bike.

My legs always feel empty for the first ride in the Alpes after a long drive now there, but i know now my legs always feel better from the second ride. I think my power is 20-30w down at altitude. My best time up the real Alpe 4 to 5 years ago was 47.26min at 272w avg, for the same power up Alpe du Zwift i'm about 3min faster, 271w 44.36w

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Thats really interesting, Adrian - and I appreciate you sharing that ref the time and power differential🙏 . Once back in London I did a little one hour of power test 2 days after La Marmotte in order to see what the altitude difference was (same for me 20-30W). Very impressive time up the Alpe in real life, I’d like to go back and try again in the future. For sure I felt a bit better for my second ride in the Alps, Galibier - but even by the third day (this video of La Grimpee) I was still only 90-95%.

Curious that they have roadwork where you might have to stop in an event that's timed. That's not really fair. :/ So I guess that this confirms that a substantial part of why Zwift is faster than irl is indeed the Zwift assumes everyone has a better drag coefficient than they actually do. In your last comparison prior to this one, doing a 100km tempo ride, you concluded that Zwift was ~11.7% faster, while this time it was still faster but only ~8.1% faster. Most likely because the speeds were lower and so drag coefficient affected the speed and therefore the final time less. Ps. I'm a little bit perplexed as to where the 8,9% slower number came from though... 50min14sec = 3 014 seconds 4min24sec = 264 seconds 264 / 3014 = ~0.08759. So, even if you were to round it up, wouldn't it be ~8.8%? Did I miss something? ^^' Ps2. I double-checked your maffs in the previously mentioned video as well, so I just had to check. This is slowly becoming a tradition. Let's see what I may have overlooked this time around. ;P Ps3. Miss the streams already. If there wasn't for these vlogs, there would be a severe shortage of #JayneSpotting going around as well. :D

@son200219

2 жыл бұрын

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Lord 🙏. And I had been awaiting the correction of my mathematics 😁 - it is indeed a nice Autumn tradition 💯. As is your calls being accurate 🤣. The roadworks didn’t really slow me, because I eased off the power only a bit before the lights went green - so I think the time difference is about right - maybe 15sec less . So let’s say 8.4% slower ! I’ve been missing the streams - and also my WattBike - but hoping to be back up and running in about 8-10days 🤞. Thanks ever so much for saying - super lovely of of 💯

does zwift adjust for the gradient? sorry a basic question but returning to the sport after 20 years

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mark - and a great decision to get back into cycling, and in my opinion inside is the perfect (safe) place to rebuild fitness. If you have a smart trainer like a WattBike Atom or a Wahoo Kickr Bike, or a smart turbo trainer like a Wahoo Kickr V5 / V6 or Tackx Neo) then the gradients on Zwift will be automatically picked up by the device and the resistance will increase when going uphill and decrease when the gradient reduces or flattens off / goes down. Most feel pretty realistic - when the Trainer Difficulty setting on Zwift is set to 75-100%. Hope this helps

By the way, was that Mr Raaijmakers that you met at the start line ?

@cals.9269

2 жыл бұрын

Have just gotten further on in the video and this was confirmed. He's a beast on Zwift !

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes - it is indeed the one and only Kaj - who came 70th at La Marmotte - seriously strong outdoors 💪

Bro science: I studied several measurements on the alp with calculators and I believe that Zwift neglects the weight of the bike in the algorithm, which would explain the difference between your two climbs. Has anyone made that observation as well? (nice jersey Phill! )

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Bro Science indeed Jerome 💯😁 And thats very interesting indeed - by how much did you calculate the weight was underestimated ? 1-2kg or 5-7kg? And cheers on the Jersey - Cote d’Azure chic 🤩 Love their stuff - good luck in the prize draw 🍀

@jeromemariaud1856

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy more around 5/7kg.

What was the temperature vs the 2 outdoor efforts?

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers PT - it was 28deg for the first climb and 16deg for the Grimpee 👍

I would not worry about a couple of percents less oxygen in the blood if I were talking all the way up Alpe du Zwift. Coincidentally I remember I set a time of 54.38 exactly in the 90s but then the timed segment started about one kilometer before that actual turn to the left where it starts at Zwift. On your time trial, was the start also before this point? By the way I find it nothing short of ridiculous that an organized event like the time trial up l'Alpe d'Huez sees you with traffic jams and even traffic lights. As if the event had no commercial importance for business in Bourg d'Oisans and Huez!

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Hinko - agreed - and that’s very kind of you to say so🙏 . Yes the TT starts 1km before - but for the time up the Alpe I used the time on the Strava segment that matches to Alpe du Zwift. And your 54.38 is a very fast time from the TT start - which must add at least 90secs overall . Agreed - I was surprised too!! But for La Marmotte all but the main valley highways were closed - so that was perfect 👌

End of an era. Have you moved in ok?

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ethan - yep end of an era….. and no………. Still in the Air B&B, but hoping to move for a few months to Jayne’s old flat before figuring out where to permanently go 👍

@ethangodridge6833

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy Hope you get settled anyway.

@barnsy68

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy just going through the stress of selling & buying as part of our downsize plan! Fortunately, the Wattbike should go nicely in the spare bedroom of the new place! Good luck with your move…

zwift, like any other Staitionary Exercise Bike, just tries to make everyone look good, altitude at this range very little effect. swift always easier than real riding.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers David 🙏- yes it’s easier on the stationary bike 💯. Yes the altitude didn’t impact on the time difference for the test - because I rode the 250W - but for sure living at 2000m caused worse sleep and a higher resting HR and HR on the bike 👍

I wish every aspect of Zwift was more difficult in order to better replicate real life. Climbs need to be harder and flats need to be dialed back. Zwift is the only place you can ride at 40km/h putting out 150 watts

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

Never a truer word said, Ric 💯👌 - I could not agree more!! Thats in part what got me doing these comparisons. Last year I did a 100km flat ride around Heathrow airport at 234W in about 2hours 51mins. The same ride on Tempus Fugit on Zwift (not on the TT bike) took 2 hours 36mins (there’s a video on this also). I’ve proven the same on Box Hill and Leith Hill in videos. I also think that people who ride at too easy trainer difficulty will find the climbs super tough when the gradient gets past 10% 👍

@WowRixter

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy When I first got on Zwift I had an Elite wheel-on trainer. It was a great start and I thought "wow I'm beating even my Cat 2 riding buddies". I thought I was MUCH stronger than I imagined. Then I upgraded to a direct-drive trainer and reality set in. It has taken me 4 years and improved conditioning to go and beat all the previous PR's I earned with my wheel-on trainer. I do find on Rouvy its a bit more accurate, however the really steep pitches aren't what they are in real life. This past Sept I rode in the Dolomites and Italian Alps. I must say the Stelvio, Gavia, and especially the Zoncolan where much more difficult than in the virtual world.

@marcdaniels9079

2 жыл бұрын

Wow ! I need to get on a Zwift. 🤣🤣🤣

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcdaniels9079 for sure Marc - its amazing over the winter 💯

@marcdaniels9079

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy so far I have survived with an old Keiser Spin bike and music videos so time for an upgrade to Kickr plus Zwift

an englishman on a sun-lounger. no one’s seen that before.

@BikeRacingWithoutMercy

2 жыл бұрын

😁 always pleased to oblige FFF! And I can confirm no need to reserve with a towel at this hotel 🤣

@foundfoundfound1

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy nevermind the northern irish protocol. the towels-on-the-sun-loungers was the crucial issue which should have been thrashed out in brexit negotiations. no doubt prussian opposition scuppered any prospective deal. a pulse oximeter measures peripheral blood oxygen saturation. you might try poking your finger into one next time you stop at altitude. note any changes from thames-level readings. excellent establishing shot, btw.

hbhyiv #von.ngo