CV Carburetor VS Mikuni flat slide explained - ep34 - Roma Custom Bike
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In this episode of Roma Custom we will examine the difference between a Keihin CV carburettor and a flat valve carburetor, in my case a Mikuni HSR 42.
After making a couple of videos on the original Harley Davidson Keihin CV carburetor, I thought I would compare it to a MIKUNI HSR42, often used in transformations on these bikes.
The main difference is that while the former uses a throttle valve and the engine vacuum, the second has the accelerator cable directly connected to a flat valve. So the slide moves in direct relationship with the throttle handle.
During the video, in addition to showing with the help of an animation, the inner workings of both carburetors, we will examine the pros and cons of both the Keihin CV and the Mikuni HSR42.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro CV carburetor vs Mikuni HSR 42
00:50 - How does the CV carburetor works explained
01:11 - Graph of throttle response of a CV carburetor
01:38 - Why is it called CV (constant velocity)
01:50 - How does a flat slide carburetor works explained
02:44 - Graph of throttle response of a flat slide carburetor
02:52 - Graph comparing the throttle response of the CV carb to the flat slide carb
03:09 - Adjustment screw differences
03:30 - Pros and Cons of both carburetors
04:51 - Suggested settings for Harley Davidson 1340 engine
05:34 - The flat slide is noisy
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This is probably the best discription I've ever seen in my life good stuff man keep it up
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Thx Luciano ;) grazie!
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Exactly right! I never did like the disconnect with cv carbs in many of my bikes. My 88 superglide back in 2000 was upgraded with the mik 42 along with pipes air filter and hot coil. Instant throttle response loved it. You can almost feel every power pulse of the engine. A friend has the bike now and his brother with a newer fuel injected Harley tried it out not expecting much with the old technology bike. He was speechless afterwards.
Thank you for this clear explanation, of both, operation, and benefits of both!
Your videos are very well thought out and informative, keep up the good work
Man, this is the best comparison carburators ive seen in youtube. So detailed
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
THX!!!!
Thank you, this was just the video I was looking for. I am putting an HSR 42 on my '03 Sportster Sport, and this was very informative about what to expect vs. the CV carb.
@harleylaci
4 жыл бұрын
How is the mikuni performing? Is it very noticable? I am planning swapping my cv also. ( 2000 sportster 883/1200)
@tebibyte2357
3 жыл бұрын
Have a trx300 with a CV carb on it, just upgraded to a Flat side Tm32-1 and instant response instead of a laggy CV.
This is a very very well done video! I think everybody should see it.
Epic video. Thanks brother. This will help a lot of my buddies understand way better
Really high quality content, love it!
The bike at the end had the coolest air cleaner. I have a hsr48 on my 1275cc drag sportster and that thing is insane. The ability to tune a performance Harley is hands down incomparable. Great video!
@emailJJ
Жыл бұрын
I have dreams about that air cleaner now. May I ask the brand or any info I can use to locate one or similar?
@MadJix
10 ай бұрын
Yeah, where can we get these!
Great video explaining differences!
Thanks for the info. Great production 👌
Nice, found this when wondering if I could replace the CV style carb on my 70cc moped with a slide style carb meant for a small ATV. I had always wondered why 50cc mopeds had such weird carbs. In mopeds, the extra moving parts and smaller jets means it can get gummed up with bad fuel pretty easy if you don't run them on a regular basis. I will be switching to a slide carb on mine just to see how if feels.
Great video, Thanks for putting that together. Very clear and easy to understand. :)
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
Thanx a lot for your help! Great video indeed!
Excelente explicacion bro, muchas gracias hno
Very nice vid. Even Harley owners will be able to understand this.
Awesome video thanks so much for making it.
Nice explanation and great graphics.
Nice video, thank you for the good explanation. Would also be interested to learn about pumper carburetors.
great explanation. thank you!
Nice concise and to the point.
Great animations. Thanks.
Dude, this video was awesome. You have made it so clear about the difference between the two, Thank You bro.
Great information! I have hsr42 and been thinking how good it really iş compared to CV. This video gave me the answer. The extra noise of hsr iş something I don't like and also noticed the tender əs of throtle control, especially on low speed (in town). But as told in video it really reacts quickly when needed. One thing that wasnt mentioned in video iş the benefit of idle control on HSR. İt really helps the cold start as you don't have to use throtle for it.
Excellent dude!! Larry
I had a lot of issues with my Mikuni42 and I ended up pulling it off and putting a CV back on the bike. The Mikuni was a noticeable difference but my bike never seemed to like it and the float jet constantly moved out of position and would overflow the carb. Put the CV back on and the bike sounds and feels much better (it's like those engineers knew what they are doing).
@KAPANGAAAMASTER
Жыл бұрын
A harley davidson with a flat slide is a beast, you should've got it properly tuned. Believe me.
@thatasiandude1351
10 күн бұрын
yup any aftermarket slide will be worse than oem one if can't play with carb
It’s all about itemization , the flat slide does it better . We had big performance gains through the off idle to mid range on 2 valve Ducati motorcycles . Not only did it increase the mid range significantly but gas mileage was increased dramatically .
A great help to me. Now I am clear that in some carburetor you can control the idle speed by controlling the fuel by turning the screw where as in some carburetor you are allowed to control amount of air to the carburetor for controlling the idle speed.
@Rocketman0407
4 ай бұрын
Yes, usually keihin and clones have a fuel screw and Mikuni uses air scew
Great explanation, thanks
Excellent vid!
Crazy glasses man, no I don’t want a pair. Great video buddy, thanks 4 the tips, Cheers Teddy
Awesome video!
Awesome Video. All your videos are well explained, learned a lot of them. Does the Mikuni HSR42 need a new manifold and air intake, or adaptors? Or can I use my stock CV manifold and air intake? (HD Softail Heritage 1986)
Well thought out and delivered impeccably. Well done Cez. I'm in, although not a harley man.
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
Great video!
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
great video 2 thumbs up!!!
Wei used to run the keihin FCR flat slide on the R6 back when they were carbureted. It gave you about 3 horsepower but required different jetting from 80-100 70-80 and below 70 degrees outside temp. If you got the needle position and slide cutout right they ran great. They don’t make the bike jerky or anything down low, if you crack it open at low rpm it just bogs the engine. If you like screwing with jets all the time have at it.
Nice video.. I wanna tell you that its amazing!!
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
Excellent 👍
Could you post a link to the air intake that has on it. That looks pretty sick
Thanks for your video. I think you may be referring more to these on big street bikes. I have a 1987 Suzuki DR200 dirtbike that has a Mikuni 42A21 pumper or Mikuni TM28-1 (the part #'s I have found but not 100% sure)....it's definitely a Mikuni flat slide w/accelerator pump. I bought the bike used with carb apart in a bag. I had no idea it would be so difficult to find parts for....lol. I have found CV carbs online that say they will fit/work but was unsure if I should even try? I will be just trail riding and to me it almost sounds like the CV would be better for my situation. What do you think? I know the flat slide is missing the pilot jet and extremely dirty. I just want to get it running and have no idea about engine , clutch, etc. I can "usually" tune a carb fairly well but never worked on these flat slides with the pumper. Thanks in advance for any help.
Outstanding!
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Thx John 😊
Ciao, che filtro carburatore monta quel gioiello?
Excellent Video! Thank You! Christ Bless!
That accelerator pump on the carb is out of tune as the fuel shouldn't hit the slide when opening the throttle. Other than that, great video explaining the differences between a CV and a FCR carb. I think FCR's sound great because of their sound :P and everybody should know about em'.
Bro I have a problem with my Mikuni 28 mm flat slide carb with a 17.5 pilot and 260 main jet . It’s on a tillotson 212 cc non hemi with a 32 mm intake valve and a 27 exhaust valve . I have a 310 cam and it’s a stroker crank . I stay in Orange County for altitude. When I get it to start it won’t stay on for long and it runs high ! I did notice when I ingage the choke , it turns on right away . Please help ty
Sir how did you make this video on which software ?
My bike came with a round slide carb and the bike stalls if I give it too much throttle off idle any advice
Hey man. You seem to know this stuff better than anyone else. I"ve got some old Mikuni BS32SS carbs off an 86 Katana 750 that I'm fighting with, and I'm not at all understanding the pilot screw. It's on the engine side, but as far as I can tell, the pilot screw is metering the total air/fuel mixture being allowed into the engine at idle, not actually affecting the AFM. The only air passage to get past the butterfly, first passes the pilot jet before going all the way to the top of the carb and then back down just behind the butterfly. Then, there are also 3 other small pilot ports just behind the butterfly, which cannot be metered in any way, which seems crazy? My problem of course is that while I seem to be able to tune the idle system just fine, I have no control over what those three pilots just behind the butterfly are doing. So as soon as I crack the throttle, I end up super rich and boggy at low RPM, low throttle. Presumably this is because either those 3 pilots are too rich for small throttle openings or for the air being drawn into the system at low RPM. Or perhaps my needlejet is coming into play very early? I love your animations as they make this shit super clear, but none of them show what I've got with my pilot. Yours all show that the pilot screw is clearly metering either the air or the fuel individually.
Great video man. I'm about to run dual Mikuni 38mm flatslides on an Intruder.
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
Have fun!
@intrudervs
Жыл бұрын
@@CustomCez it rips
Wow my Harley chop I have owned for 3 years came with HSR fitted and it pulls away like no other bike I have had. It jolts away at every set of lights, not smooth. Thought it was a problem and now you have eased my mind in that its the characteristics of the carb. Do you have any tips on tuning it as mine runs really RICH.
@thakery5720
4 жыл бұрын
Depending on what other mods you have made ( airfilter/pipes or engine), the pilot jet may need changing (richer) and the needle lowering to weaken things off. Lowering the needle will make the bike run weak at 'closed off' throttle positions so the pilot may need enlarging - don't forget to adjust the air screw. The main jet rarely needs to be much bigger than the standard one for the size of carb. The notches on the needle will raise or lower the needle about 1mm each notch - this is a very big adjustment, you can also get thin washers to put under the needle clip so as to raise the needle just partway between notches. The pilot jet supplied with the carb is good for standard engine/air filter and pipes but may need to be richened. The extra fuel it gives the engine is always there throughout the opening of the carb and so the needle may need to be lowered to weaken things back down again, so do not be tempted to make the main jet bigger. The needle being too high can mask the need for a richer pilot jet - this can be seen by the bike's engine overheating if you ride with the throttle closed a lot in traffic etc. You may then lower the needle a notch but find it needs to be raised a little from the lower setting with a thin washer or two so as to effectively only lower the needle a half a notch or so depending on the thickness or the washer(s) used. Highly tuned (altered) engines need a bigger pilot jet to allow the engine more fuel at low revs (throttle openings) as the suction is lower ( - the engine is 'off cam') and finds it hard to suck enough fuel through a small jet making it a weak mixture. As the throttle is opened and more air is sucked through the carb (more air than a standard engine/ airfilter and pipes would allow), it starts to suck too much fuel through the needle and needle jet combination and that makes it a rich mixture, so you lower the needle to weaken it a little. Pilot jets to go to may be 27.5, 30, 32.5 or maybe even 35. The strong pull you mention as the carb is currently set indicates a needle that is too high as the mixture is rich and gives excess torque - my sportster with Hammer cylinders and cams along with a flowed heads and open pipes has an HSR 45 fitted with a 32.5 pilot, needle is lowered one notch but raised a quarter notch with a thin washer, and it has the 175 main jet that the carb came with..... That is just an example not a recommendation...... hope you get it sorted !
New subscriber KaMotoFriends and Thanks for sharing 😉
Excellent. I'm familiar with mikunis and I love the adjustability. I find these videos cause I got an old Honda with a muddy off idle/ acceleration until I hit about 5000rpm. Then it cleans up and the power disembark is very noticeable. Makes me thing pilot jet or ckt is clogged. Or possible my slide and diaphragm are trash Well see. If a cleaning and adj don't fix it I'll just get a mikuni kit .
Awesome explanation! Where did u get that air cleaner?
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Billy 😊 i designed and built the air filter, took about a year of prototyping but in the end it come out pretty cool 😎 about 200 moving parts
@aeronadraneda7161
4 жыл бұрын
@@CustomCez That is awesome! It shocked me when I saw it move the first time.
@JUNIORGONG.ASFxCK
4 жыл бұрын
@@CustomCez do you have any to sell, that is a badass filter! i need that lol !
@phillipalbritton1191
4 жыл бұрын
I want that air cleaner so bad
@gushughes3661
4 жыл бұрын
Hook us up with the air filter @Custom Cez Fai Da Te
How about the round slide carburetor?
Is there a advantage to a cv carb over a standard round slide carb
Puoi spiegare nel prossimo video le problematiche di un carburatore di una moto da restaurare?
I just swapped my cv for a this carb on my 97 evo. Better starting and better throttle response. Unfortunately I didn’t feel any power increase. Disappointing considering here in Australia it was nearly $500 ! I would appreciate any advise.
@HighGear7445
3 жыл бұрын
The potential is there ( as it can support more power ) if you wish to go with hotter cams ect. Personally I would only go to stage 1 for longevity. Harley engines have long strokes and piston speed comes into play here with hot upgrades. You can only rev them so high. Great engines for cruising and midrange torque
Please do one of these with the FCR carbs!
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
I'll look into it :) thanks for the suggestion
a Slide Carb on a Bike that originally had CV Carb will feel much more snappy or responsive that is if it is properly tuned.
What is that air cleaner and where can I get one?
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
I’m trying to find out too. Did you find one?
@hotboy197988
3 жыл бұрын
@@akilla4reala669 no
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
@@hotboy197988 I found out that he custom made it. I asked him if he would be interested in making another one, but I haven’t heard back yet. Thanks for the reply! ✌️
@raybell4095
Жыл бұрын
@@akilla4reala669 Probably not going to hear back if you haven't already. I would love to get my hands on one. I'll just have to make one myself if I want one.
Branch proved that a well tuned CV40 can perform almost as good as a HSR-42
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
almost... ;)
@kennethwise7108
Жыл бұрын
@@CustomCez I'm running a CV44 carburetor on my 113" Ultima
Nice good one
Great video Cez! Well explained. All the dislikers must have EFI
Good vid. But you didn't mention the vacuum drop when you 'dump the throttle'. How does the flat slide maintain fuel flow when intake vacuum drops when the throttle is popped open? For the road I'd stick with the CV40. But thanks for the vid. sub/Likie
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
Great point! It's all a chain of delays... not much but enough to smooth out the closing of the slide ;)
огромное спасибо!!!
great info .. but in my byke i used a super E .. i like't ..but i thinking about Mikuni .. cheers
Sir plz tell me which carburetor is good for long route and top speed and engine life increased cv or mikuni ? For 125 cc
@chaz_bl3731
4 жыл бұрын
CV
I changed to a Mikuni on my 95 fxstsb. I noticed a little quicker throttle response but not really a huge difference.
@CustomCez
Жыл бұрын
On an HD you can really feel the difference
I thought this video was going to be chat, but it turned out really good! Thumbs up
crf450R supermoto. i cant decide what carb. eventually gonna have the atheno 510cc kit
@rattyratstuff7125
2 жыл бұрын
pros of cv. zero. pros of a real flat slide{mikuni} literally everything apparently
What about a d slide carb?
What are cleaner is that
OMG where did you get that air cleaner
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
I want to know too! Did you ever find out from anywhere else?
Ty!!!!!!
Do you sell that air cleaner????? I want !!
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like one too. Did you find one elsewhere?
top merci
You not making videos anymore?
Avesome video
How About Its compared To other Carburetors Like The PE Series Or Keihin PWK Series TBH I have The Similar Carb Like The stock harley But its Come from Mikuni And Lot smaller Venturi
6:12 what air cleaner is that?
@dethpulse
4 жыл бұрын
I am also interested in that air cleaner. Smooth part!
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. Has anyone found out what kind it is?
what filter case is at 6:18 ?
@CustomCez
4 жыл бұрын
I made it 😊
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
@@CustomCez that’s AMAZING! Would you consider making one for me? I’ll be glad to pay you for it of course. Really nice! 👌
are you ok cez i miss you’re videos
Great video, but mikuni hsr 42 (what most harley owners use) comes with 25 pilot (which is good for most evo and TC bikes) and an often overlooked fact is that the polished hsr42 (for some unknown reason) often comes with a 26 pilot jet installed from factory
the old nidle jet - this guy really seems to know what he is talking about lol
When you say where you're money went does that mean the mikuni gas mileage sux ???
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Hahahha, you are not wrong 🤣🤣🤣
@samstinkeringaround8961
5 жыл бұрын
So if I want better gas millage go with a CV ??What I have now a older FLHTCU with compliance fittings and the older style carb.
@lundyracing
4 жыл бұрын
@@samstinkeringaround8961 basically from what I got from this is cv is more fuel efficient, flat slide gives better performance. If you are wanting more horsepower you might be disappointed with a flat slide carb. If it was me I would buy a big bore kit before a carb. That way you have more power and the acceleration is smoother. If you buy the big bore kit and still need more power, get a performance carb and make sure your pipes arent smaller than the diameter of your exhaust port. The more air you can push in and out the faster you can go in simple terms
@hrbestalkinme3690
4 жыл бұрын
If you get better mog with the CV, its because your FCR is jetted too rich, or you keep stabbing the throttle a pumping fuel into the manifold when you should just be cruising.
Would do a Hrs42 on my blast but hard to set up a Tps Would have to switch over to a voes
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t have voes on my ultima with a mikuni.
@thatbuelldude189
3 жыл бұрын
@@akilla4reala669 switched to voes with my sportster carb You have a blast as well?
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
@@thatbuelldude189 no I don’t. I’m very fortunate to have several bikes, but not a blast. The bike I was referring to is a custom ground up build . Stay safe on them streets! 😁✌️
@thatbuelldude189
3 жыл бұрын
@@akilla4reala669 same Have a 01 M2 Cyclone as well Hopefully getting a hardtail sporty with a built Cyclone motor soon That motor should put 120 horses to the ground Going to be a good lil upgrade on my m2
@akilla4reala669
3 жыл бұрын
@@thatbuelldude189 sounds awesome. Definitely try to update me.
Ciao come si fa x contatare
mi vendo ..... ecco cosa vuol dire mettere i like a sti venditori di patate!
👍👏👏👏👏
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
Thank you.
@CustomCez
5 жыл бұрын
You bet 😉
FCR carbs give precise and strong throttle response. They are also more reliable than CV carbs.
Bitchin' evo, baby!
What about a SU carb🤔😎
I don't want to hear any harley boys complain about a $300 flatslide carb upgrade. The flatslides for the VMAX is literally 10x more expensive. Really. $3K for vmax flatslides...
@gio2812872
5 жыл бұрын
They are 4 and the harley only uses 1
@endeavourniche9001
5 жыл бұрын
I don't want to hear any VMAX boys complain about 3k for flatsides. You could have bought a Harley.
Translation "Come to us and pay too much for some over rated shit."
For what the MIKUNI flat slide cost me it damn well better make a big difference .😠
Cez, ma che minchia di fine hai fatto?!