I've had the guitar home for a few days and I love it! Totally unique and interesting, and plays great. Thanks Tim!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

glad to hear it hasn't snapped in two yet :)

@sircaran

2 жыл бұрын

I am interested what will happen now when the weather changes.

@markgordon4368

2 жыл бұрын

You are a cool customer 😎

@eolasinstruments

2 жыл бұрын

@@markgordon4368 awe thanks! tim has been amazing to work with!

Your understanding of the stresses on a piece of wood by examining the grain is very intuitive. The repair to correct this is marvelous.

@timsway

Жыл бұрын

thanks, but in all fairness, I probably should've noticed the issue before I made the guitar! lol.

This is the crazyest fix I've seen and please take it as a compliment

Phew, turns out it was a smart move. Well done and I do like the 'v' shaped ends on the splines, it does add 'something', cool. 'Tim the Guitar Whisperer'

Isn't it a wonderful feeling when an idea comes to fruition and the final outcome is just what you were hoping for? I love the v shape from the diablo blades in the neck. Bravo.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

yeas, the Vs make it look more intentional. lol

@TheRealCaptainFreedom

2 жыл бұрын

I love it when a plan comes together.

Mad Luthier is an expression now Love how you always try to push the limits of instrument making a little further than most woukd be comfortable with ❤🐎❤

Tim, root cause may not be the wood but rather the frets. If there is a significant wedge load from installing frets (we want them tight too) then there can be a tendency to warp the fretboard and thus the whole neck back, especially after inserting 20+ little wedges. you can test this out with a thin board and more interference or less interference from the fret wire install.

@keithklassen5320

2 жыл бұрын

If that was the issue, you probably wouldn't see such a pronounced rocking point exactly where the grain changes; it would likely be more uniform across the entirety of the fretboard, no?

Love the attitude... "what could possibly go wrong?"

"Let's make a mistake." Story of my woodworking life. 😁 Crazy idea but it seems to have worked. Thanks for sharing!

Such a clever and cool spot and fix! That would of absolutely stumped me! Hats off to you champion

Wow I'm really impressed that you managed to fix it like that, that's some serious guitar surgery

I love the fact that you’re so precise in almost everything, but those cuts on the neck or so obscenely out of place with no design…and perfect. Really frickin cool project and one-off for your friend!

Yeah that wil happen when using crazy grained wood for a neck. Best to stick with relatively straight grain in the future. I am all for crazy solutions though always good to see if you can solve the problem instead of scrapping something. I usually just keep the failed projects for myself and try to fix it.

Very very cool. Might have to make an intentionally make a neck with some inlays. Love the fearless attitude to addressing a problem!

6:20 - The suspense is killing me. EDIT : This was THE craziest guitar neck repair solution I've EVER seen, Tim. Truly amazing , to me.

Had a little pucker in the posterior when I saw those sparks Tim. lol

I was holding my breath as you made that first pass! Glad it worked out

Great work Tm and hats off for looking after your customers!

I love seeing straight-forward solutions that work first time! Amazing!

I just found your channel and already addicted, Tim! Super helpful stuff you share here man!

Dude! I love your thought process and approach! Awesome work! Thanks for sharing!

I have EXACTLY the same condition on my rickenbacker bass. It makes the fingerboard humped under string tension despite 2 truss rods. I have to manage it with lighter string gauges. I like your solution!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

your solution seems cleaner, lol. Glad to know it happens to the pros, too, but sorry you got stuck with it.

@adammono1839

2 жыл бұрын

I've gone through tonnes of different string and setup combos and I'm pretty happy with what I've got now. I'll just be zen about it and accept that this is the destiny of that guitar!

@michaelb.42112

2 жыл бұрын

No, a problem with a Ric ? 😷

Whoa. That was nail biting. Super hack! Mahalo for sharing! 🙂🐒

Neat idea, but I would have cut directly across the neck. I think you are encouraging it to twist with these diagonal cuts.

@Quicksilver_Cookie

2 жыл бұрын

On the other hand completely perpendicular cuts could impact the rigidity of the neck too much, making it too bendy.

That’s a great guitar Tim, I’m only halfway through the video but I think that’s a great design. I hope you fixed it!

Amazing! The idea that the knotty area was much denser than the rest of the neck seems obvious now you have demonstrated it, but very unexpected all the same. The “relief” cuts actually look very cool, maybe something that you might deliberately include in future builds?

I love design from necessity and the relief cut fills look so cool and no one would ever make that as a deisng choice without the story behind it. Cool!

Ha! You keep reminding me I have wood glued up in the back of my Outback. Its out in the garage with the engine out. So I haven't looked in the back for a bit.

I love the way the tribal marks came out. The V on the ends is really a great thing. I was wondering why not just do it on the CNC but after seeing the end result I believe you made the right choice.

That was cool. So much education on properties of wood and guitar necks in that solution.

Looks cool! I didn't expect that to work so well

I found this so exciting!!!! I love it man!!! This is the best thing I’ve seems on KZread in a while!!!!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

kinda like slowing down to see a car wreck...

@davidmarkham4391

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway hahaha yeah actually but I found this useful

That was the coolest vid I've seen this week. Nice job.

It's funny, it reminds me of the "drifter stich", Drifting can be pretty hard on cars, and mostly on bumpers. So when there's a crack, rather than buying a new bumper and breaking it again in a month, you drill holes on either sides of the crack, and you add a lot of zipties as stiches ! That's where i see a resemblance : "yeah, it was broken, but i sorta fixed it, and look how tough it looks !" Great vid, Tim

@th0tp0lice666

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I thought as well

@howardmaryon

2 жыл бұрын

I know at least one builder who deliberately installs zip ties in the places that he thinks will crack in the future...... he calls it “rat rod” look

I knew it would be something to do with the neck tension but I thought it was going to be something like a fender skunk stripe where they put the truss rod in through the back. This is nuts. Not wild about the aesthetics of it but it’s reclaimed wood so that’s nice it’s nothing went to waste. I probably would I give it a new neck, but it’s a fun experiment. Makes you wonder how that will hold up long-term. Very creative. There’s no way I would except that though because it just doesn’t look right and it might weaken the neck. It’s the kind of thing you do to your own guitar for an experiment. you need a pretty wacky customer to want that. To each his own.

@johngrant5749

2 жыл бұрын

yup.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

fortunately most of my customers are equally wacky :)

Another option for future operations could be to use an old style radial arm saw. Its primary advantage is being able to see what you are going to cut. Any way it is an interesting solution to fix the neck.

The random placed cuts have an appeal on their own, beside solving the problem very good! For a next similar case, how about some CNC-cut runic characters? I know- more (unnecessary) work on fitting the inlets…., but also a cool unique touch… Or roman numerals, 2022= MMXXII….😉

This is the kind of shit I would get yelled at for. My heart is smiling right now from this obvious genius outside the box thinking. Well done Brother 👊🏼❤️👊🏼

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yea, there are some mixed emotions about this - from viewers and even myself! Hope you're good, amigo.

I'm glad you were in charge of sawing!!! The spark had me at pucker factor 5. LOL.

That was quite interesting. I don’t think I would’ve ever thought of doing something like that. The more you know!

Love the repair and the customer was way cool 😎

Scary and amazing at the same time! Nice work!

I love the look and handy work, but I could not help but wonder if you could not steam it? I guess introducing moisture may not be good but the thought crossed my mind.

Could you please do a video on splicing a broken string back together to re-use? Thanks! Ha - just kidding!😆 Good job and kudos to your ingenuity and luthier skills sir! 🙂

Man, the term "long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs" comes to mind. Very cool fix.

Love the fact that you always think outside the box, Tim.

Was cool. I've cut those burls for knife handles before. That was cool watching you relive that peak. I kinda knew as soon as I saw that grain. Beautiful grain...but knots are knots. I have a pile of firewood darlings...oak branches and vtops that just look funky for shift knobs or lamp pulls. Dunno...just neat to space on. Badass.

Nice fix on that guitar neck Tim! 👍👍

Super... wow Tim .. you did the best you could .. well it is already problematic it cannot be fixed with the bad wood grain what can go as bad as already is?! Smart and brave move my friend ..

Gotta admit I held my breath a bit when you turned the blade on, but I was good overall until the sparks. Then I panicked. Came out good though!

The old school luthiers fix is to use a neck press it's a jig with a heating element in it that wraps around the neck counter pressure is applied when desired temperature is reached. I have seen homemade models using a hot water tank heating element before.

I like the solution, the result, and the look.

Very nice even though it resembles some strange Roman Numerals...Good fix!

Awesome fix. Definitely got a fix out of it

Always cool stuff, man. I love it.

It's not every guitar that has inlays on the BACK of the neck. Maybe you could make than an option for custom instruments?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

"These position markers are useless!" lol

Looks pretty damn cool. Notches on your bedpost? Scars of battle? Days incarcerated? Kill count? Would be cool to see the battle scars down the whole neck? Maybe inlay dots to look like stitches?

I let out a bit of an "eek" when I saw the sparks.

With the truss rod slack, if there is a slight bow on one edge of the fingerboard and flat on the other have you built a twist into the neck? By not running the inserts parallel and overlapping them on one side, have you put slightly less wood into one side than the other, giving an element of twist?

The man who taught me how to do fret work had a refret one time that did this. He assumed he leveled the fingerboard incorrectly. Yanked the frets, re leveled, put in another set of frets. Same problem. Resting back bow. He pulled the second set of frets. Checked the fingerboard. It was dead level. No back bow! He was like what is happening here!?!? So the problem turned out to be his old worn out fret slotting saw. Kerf should be around 22 to 24 thousandths of an inch. Slots were only about 18. So when the fret tangs were pressed into the slots, each fret added about 4 thousandths, spreading the fingerboard like a fan it out like a fan kind of. Adding the backbow. He ordered a brand new fret slotting saw, recut all the slots. Problem solved. But he had to fret the neck 3 times working out the problem. But something I definitely won't forget.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

oh yea, the pressure of wedging frets in to slots can cause that for sure.

Love your work but dang that's scary! If you do something similar in the future you can make a jig that holds the neck straight instead of tensioning it via the trusrod and strings while working on it.

you know its a good fit when that tight clicking noise happens, ahhh satisfactory

Cool fix!

I like your design of this guitar. I'm working on a plan for a headless bass with a small body that is more interesting than just the standard Steinberger style, maybe some sort of offset. I'm a rookie at this though. #goals

glad im not the only one that tries crazy stuff like this... also where do you get your plastic pipe clamps for gluing up fingerboards. been looking for some for ages. im in kentucky.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

The clamps I used in this video were just from the local box store, but stewmac.com sells some specialty strap clamps for necks that I use for full fingerboard glue ups.

@bobsegar1242

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway they weren’t in this video The ones that you use in other videos

Measure five times and cut one and try not to flinch hoping for a better year than the last one always interesting to watch your videos stay safe and have fun

I have seen many times where knot wood causes a leg, stick or support to bow or bend. I avoid them like the plague. On a side note, I had a National electric that had a laminated neck built like a ship's deck with layers of 1/16" strips of maple epoxied together vertically. It was a nice neck, strong, and I kick myself for selling the guitar. I know there were other guitar necks made this way.

That was interesting! I wonder how it will hold up over time.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Excellent idea way to go

Where can one find a "skyscraper" neck tool such as you've used in this video? Found the company but cannot find that particular tool.

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

he might be out of stock? skyscraperguitars.com/store/#!/Notched-Straight-Edges/c/28862026

@mrdinsdale

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway Thanks Tim. Nice work on the neck fix.

Why do you move your trussrod with string tension on? Doesn't that crush the wood somewhere? I don't understand

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

In theory, if you're tightening the truss you should loosen your strings a little as they will go up in tension, then retune. But realistically you can make small adjustments under tension and retune after as long as you understand what's happening. In this case, even under full tension the neck would want to bow up, so loosening it would make it want to bow more. Since I'm acting in the same direction the strings are trying to pull, there's no need to loosen them first. I'm pulling with them, not against.

Imagine if he makes a Rosca De Reyes style neck 😍 this was one of the sickest and most innovating way of fixing the relief of a neck...a little scary when that spark kicked up, but as soon as you started going at it, it ended up looking absolutely STUNNING.

@carlosruizesparza3760

2 жыл бұрын

Que? XD

Birdseye maple for hold downs for the sled… perfect!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

...of my reclaimed wood guitar. lol. a cutoff is a cutoff! :)

@mr.tryitall935

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway I wasn’t criticizing you… I have a cherry burl zero clearance insert… scrap is scrap!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.tryitall935 I didn't think you were :)

That guitar reminds me of a Dave Bunker design.

I have an ESP EC256 LTD. I love it, but it has truss rod issues. As of now, there is no tension on the rod. So it literally decides how its going to be at any given time. Some days or plays sweet. Other days it buzzes like an Edison power plant on a foggy night. So when l went to losen it up some so it wouldnt buzz, I found it had no tension on it. I didnt know what the hell to do then. Loosening will achieve nothing, its already loose. Tightening it just to put tension will only make on it worse. What do I do?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you either need to repair or replace the truss rod in there or get a new neck? If it's a two way truss rod you can put tension on it in the other direction, past "loose"

@siggyretburns7523

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway Believe it or not, I think I got it fixed last night. I went to unscrew the whole thing to see what the problem was. It started tensioning up as I unscrewed it. It now appears to have a slight bow to the string side of the neck. So I lowered the bridge so it doesnt buzz but still has a minimal clearance. The big test is to see if it changes by sitting or not. I never thought a neck would be so tempermental. We'll find out soon Thanx 👍

Tim, next time you try this maybe design it as a Roman numeral! Might add an even cooler feature!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping there isn't a next time! Lol

Tim! I saw it looks like you were using Rubio Monocoat for your neck finish. I was just considering using this finish for a guitar and/or neck finish. I love the feel this finish provides on wood/furniture projects and wondered if it would be durable enough for a guitar body and smooth enough for a guitar neck. Any input on this?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

I've used it many times and I think it's fine. Can alway be reapplied, too. I knew a kid in thew 80s that had a Charvel with no finish on the neck, fromn the factory that way. I hated the way it felt on my palm when it was new but a couple years later it felt great. Kind a gross to think about why, but my point: is finish even necessary?

@MillerCustomGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway my favorite finish for the back of a neck is boiled Lindseed oil. But this also needs to be reapplied every couple years or so. I was thinking about Rubio because of the hardeners in it it might last longer. I know you don’t really use decals because of that fancy laser thing you got, but I’m just getting into doing waterslide decals. Do you know if you would be able to do a waterslide decal on the guitar headstock that was finished in Rubio?

I like watching people cut guitars that I don't own. Have fun

I love how It looks like actual "stitches" on the neck :)

That looks WAY better than just adjusting the truss rod a little bit more! Doesn't look at ALL like like a hacked up neck!

Roughly how much would a build like set one back? I love the look of this guitar

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

When I make them just as inventory for my store, they are usually in the $1500 ish range. I have a hard time generating and keeping them in stock, tho, as I mostly do custom builds which tend to be a little more, depending on customization of inlays, specific hardware, etc.

It looks like a cool inlay

2:21 But don't you want a guitar to rock?

Why not? I love scorching necks, and sometimes that goes horribly wrong. Bent necks. Video looks familiar! You got a great shed, by the way. Did you need a saw for it?

@2:00 you turned it clockwise , so the truss rod should be tightened. Why you said it is loosing ? Thanks

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

It was tight, I had to turn it clockwise to loosen. It's a 2-way truss rod.

wait, maybe tension makes for better sustain or high tones?

The Billy Butcherson model...see the zombie from Hocus Pocus and you'll see what I mean.

You're a madman lol

That was freakin cool man… I love it… the ends of the repairs, with that v-shape, reminds me of the feet of many kinds of insects. Also the repair could look like claw and teeth marks. Could do it on purpose and call it the Wildcat. 😉

You’re crazy, Sway. High praise. Just waiting for the maniacal laugh MUAHAHA!

hey tim, After watching your video here an idea came to mind based on what you have done here with the neck. To remove wood from the body and replace with other wood similar in fashion to how you added ebony to the neck could be an interesting way to add style in addition to reducing weight of heavier wood bodied guitars. From the looks of it, your guitars are already very light though. I wished you would have done the cutting on the neck more ordered. The process looked a bit sloppy when in mind the idea seemed like each line could be measured and the support for the body repositioned to create a more uniform look. The stitches on the back ended looking alright, what did the customer think?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

so far, so good!

That spark scared me. 🌩

Glad that was not a SawStop blade!

Call me old and stuck in my ways, but I feel bad for the gentleman’s wife that bought this guitar for her husband. The repair looks Terrible, definitely not the aesthetic she paid for, or the artistic design he first fell in love with. And to boot you have compromised the truss rod - a simple nick still removes metal - and removed metal will never be as strong as it was originally. What kills me is I taught the Furniture and Interior Design program at a major University in Los Angeles, and from time to time I’d get a student with such pure raw talent but unfortunately just couldn’t get themselves out of the way. If this were a Aalto would you let this repair pass for the showroom? I guarantee the showroom would not. Unfortunately you younger generation hold monetary profit and social media Likes in much higher regard than true craftsmanship and dedicated passion for design. This is a pivotal point in your young career, son. You have the ability to turn this around. To make the young lady whole again, and make her the beautiful guitar she asked for. She did not pay for a one of a kind mistake ego guitar. She asked for your finest hand. In your heart you know what you need to do. You still have the opportunity to fix the F which I am giving you. Change your grade. And change your life. I know the talent you possess and exactly what you are capable of. Do you?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

you're old and stuck in your ways. lol. JUST KIDDING. I love the heart behind this comment and understand your point, I also somewhat agree with it. I also love the opportunity to respond as it helps me better articulate what the hell I’m actually doing here for those who care to read this stuff. Obviously you are only seeing a video I made for KZread, which offers about 10% of the complete story and relationship, you must understand that. And this response only offers about 2% more! This channel exists for me to do things "wrong" and experiment with, mostly, materials in a reclaimed, sustainable fashion. As a young rebellious man, my father taught me I needed to learn the rules before I could break them, which is the same lesson I now impart on my children. The very existence of this guitar and most of my other work is a monument to educated rebellion (and my customer base certainly is buying that as a value-add part of the item). And that’s before the neck issue! Certainly the centuries of woodworking accomplished prior to me holds more knowledge than I could ever possibly know, or you for that matter. But I do have an understanding of the rules that have been laid out before me (maybe not as much as you :). Now it’s time to break them! Because only then can innovation be found. Will there be mistakes along the way? Of course! When was the last time you learned as much from your success as you did your screw up? I one-up that learning arc and share here, for the world, to help speed along some others in the success/failure journey and add to the knowledge base. Guessing this is your first time here? I invite you to watch more of my work. Specifically search my whole #HollowCoreDoorsAreTheNewPallet series and you can see me make all sorts of instruments, acoustic and electric, from basically nothing but crappy closet doors. Or skip to the cheat sheet at the end, where I recorded a song with them all to prove they still work: kzread.info/dash/bejne/inekqaeRf8-ak6g.html I’m chasing a different dragon than you, sir, and I totally respect your journey. If you are truly old and set in your ways you may not appreciate mine, but it does not make it any less valid. Thanks for your insight, I truly appreciate it and I’d LOVE to see your school and work someday. Any videos or social media I can see?

Could be an interesting way to number the guitars too? I’m seeing Roman numerals.

👍🏻👌🏻❤ Bravissimo Tim

I want one of these guitars!!

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

I'm making another batch of them very soon. Check www.newperspectivesmusic.com in a month or so (or if you want me to make one of them specifically for you, contact me directly via the site. I'll make one for you without a screwed up neck :)

@duanewilliams7676

2 жыл бұрын

@@timsway hey man!love your channel Tim.hey I know you love reclaimed wood,well we not only have that but old Disston,Atkims,saws,Old Stanley(Bailey)planes,infills,transitilnals,you name it,Sweetheart chisel sets all complete from the early 1900s,let me know anything you may want ot be looking for.i migjt can find it. On your guitars ,I really like the Laura and 2 others,WOW,i will be watching fkr those man.Thank you

That was fun. 😎🎙🎸✅

and how does it sound after the surgery?

@timsway

2 жыл бұрын

sounds the same but without the problem

A missed opportunity is cutting roman numerals with the table saw