I too want my 70mm to sound like a giant tommy gun

@bluewatson4341

3 жыл бұрын

Danke spook!

@kayagorzan

3 жыл бұрын

Big dakka potential

@erika002

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, isn't Bolter guns in WH40K 75mm?

@bluewatson4341

3 жыл бұрын

Jericho Paita 25mm- 30mm last time I checked

@cloud6254

3 жыл бұрын

bigger bolter better

That breech design is very similar to the G11 receiver, but scaled up.

@commandergeokam2868

3 жыл бұрын

And the p90 as well

@josejaimes-ramos1546

3 жыл бұрын

G11 uses CTA right?

@Juozapas001

3 жыл бұрын

Not telescoped in G11s case, G11 uses fully caseless ammo. In most basic form a propelant block and the bullet itself.

@CommanderTornado

3 жыл бұрын

Kraut space magic

@yuhongzhu2168

3 жыл бұрын

power by electricity not gas make them much reliable.

Last time I was this early, shells still had a diameter of a pixel

@PorWik

3 жыл бұрын

Man I’m really missing killing KV1s with R3 through the pixel weakspot

@davidj9677

3 жыл бұрын

@@PorWik You disgusting R3 player

@eddyroilo9152

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I hate that thing when I'm playing against, but I have over 600 battles with it because I had found a talisman when it still was rank 2, so why not use it

@hedgehog3180

3 жыл бұрын

Did they finally change that?

@isaaccleveland5757

3 жыл бұрын

hedgehog3180 they added volumetric shells (so yes)

Should note the 40mm gun for the Ajax is also being proposed as part of a Warrior IFV upgrade package. We'll see if it goes anywhere, though.

@JenkemSuperfan

3 жыл бұрын

It won't. Military hates innovation in peacetime

Just the fact that you used a track from the Mechanicus game as background music has earned ya a like, good taste.

@tylerandrews4375

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly never noticed the music over the sound of his voice. Might just be me though.

@kayagorzan

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

Let's say that opening took me by surprise.

Wow, I'm impressed that a 75mm round (cased telescoped or otherwise) can pen up to 430mm of steel!!! Based on the *very* light research I did on the Internet, I calculated that, for rounds up to 90mm, the use of an APFSDS shell would result in a RHA penetration value of approximately 3.444 times the caliber size in millimeters. So, rounding up, I estimated that a 75mm APFSDS shell would only pen around 260mm of steel. The fact that an advanced cannon plus the APFSDS CTA round could provide a boost in penetration of 170mm over my estimated value is crazy to me!

@sholoms

3 жыл бұрын

If calc u made are correct, WOW! Even absent T-72 frontal penetration (AND even air superiority), a lot of enemy MBTs could be killed by a low profile, fast moving TD, mounting (in effect), a 21st-century, anti-tank HMG!

@engelbert42

3 жыл бұрын

@@sholoms Oh, great, AT machine guns... How did that work out last time? Do you really expect a system already being pushed beyond it's capacity to stand the test of a future arms race?

@matthiuskoenig3378

3 жыл бұрын

@@engelbert42 how did it work out? well the military is still in love, so i would say its went extremely well. i don't think it would become the primary battle cannon, but such a weapon would become a common support weapon.

@engelbert42

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 ofc. autocannons are great to support infantry. That wasn't the question tough. Even a quick firing 75mm gun is by no means a reliable anti tank weapon... It just makes next MBT armor design consider that threat.

@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751

3 жыл бұрын

So that's four tomatoes worth of performance improvement. Interesting . I was thinking two watermelons but I'll settle for four tomatoes . Probably a pretty costly system. In the neighborhood of 40 million pents.

Wow, never heard of this before.

@sarchlalaith8836

3 жыл бұрын

Hk g11 scaled up

@SleepySkull1

3 жыл бұрын

Not really the same, G11 uses Caseless ammunition.

@TheReal_Mrlunk

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club

@TheReal_Mrlunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@SleepySkull1 I dont think that's how it works

@SleepySkull1

3 жыл бұрын

What? The G11 uses caseless ammunition, That's a fact.

Me: *is on youtube* YT Algorithm: would you like to have a furry explain to you a concept for a gun of which you have never heard?

@evolutiondriver7902

3 жыл бұрын

not a furry; but yes

@rakaipikatan8922

3 жыл бұрын

@@evolutiondriver7902 Well if you like German tanks, you're technically a furry

@r3load3z34

3 жыл бұрын

@@rakaipikatan8922 *purrs in Panther*

@rakaipikatan8922

3 жыл бұрын

@@r3load3z34 *rawr in Tiger*

@kayagorzan

3 жыл бұрын

@Rakai Pikatan *breaks down in Porsche Tiger*

This is a giant H&K G11, watch the Forgotten Weapons video.

@riesenfliegefly7139

3 жыл бұрын

Well, almost. The G11 uses Caseless ammo, not telescoped ammo. But the mechanism is basicly the same.

@notalexzander2

3 жыл бұрын

it's the 6.8mm probably-not-replacement for the M16

@hemidas

3 жыл бұрын

Kraut Space Magic.

@nitesy381

3 жыл бұрын

And the rounds are straight out of a nagant revolver jumbo

Nooo, you can't just spam rounds! *CTA Cannons* : _Ha Ha, Rounds goes brrrr_

@abdvxn

3 жыл бұрын

more like DAKADAKADAKADAKADAKA

@battleoid2411

3 жыл бұрын

*Three seconds of firing later: barrel fucking explodes*

@kayagorzan

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

the French EBRC Jaguar uses the CTA international 40mm CTAS cannon and is already in service. I don't think we really " have to wait to see if these projects go somewhere ". CTA cannons are already in service

@HAYAOLEONE

2 жыл бұрын

Ignored 100%

@dodgedemonsrtx

2 жыл бұрын

And it's working fine?

Cases telescoped ammunition likely won’t make it into small arms soon because pvt Joe Snuffy will always find a way to fuck up a system like that. Not to mention cleaning a conventional rifle takes about 150 Q-tips. Cleaning the GD CTA Carbine will take about 1500

@overboss9599

3 жыл бұрын

If pvt. Snuffy is given enough free time, he'll destroy a solid steel block. This is why officers assign menial tasks to keep him busy.

@battleoid2411

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't see how that would be any more of an issue than anything currently in service. It would be no different than changing to a different type of conventional ammunition. On tanks, granted you have a quick moving autoloader that could potentially fail, sure, but a rifle is likely going to just use the same magazine system thats been used for a hundred years now. But ya know, new stuff bad, technology scary embrace monkey

@Atlatl960

3 жыл бұрын

Battleoid well one of the new bids for the ngsw has a battery powered swing breech and an entirely different magazine. I’m not saying it would be unreliable, but we have some dumb fucking kids in our ranks and they will absolutely destroy anything nice or too foreign to them. The sig sauer bid is the top contender in my opinion

@battleoid2411

3 жыл бұрын

@@Atlatl960Now that's fair enough, I could see that being an issue, however that's more a problem with the overall gun rather than just because it uses telescopic ammo. It could also easily be solved if the army stopped accepting people who are too dumb to follow simple instructions, but that'd be too easy

@Atlatl960

3 жыл бұрын

Battleoid my point exactly but unfortunately problem 2 won’t be solved anytime soon

Another cool thing about the new CT40 on the Ajax ifv. So, it also has smart rounds, they can be programmed for (HE Round) Air Burst Contact Detonation And FIN, for anti armour You can fire an HE burst, programmed to: 1) punch a hole through a foot of concrete with contact Detonation 2) put 3 air Burst rounds _through to hole you punched a second before_ and burst behind it Or you can trigger ERA on an armoured vehicle with HE and then hit that spot with a burst of FIN.

The 40mm CTA gun is also being used on the French Jaguar recon vehicle.

@HAYAOLEONE

2 жыл бұрын

Let's ignore it 100%.

Can you do a vid on the development of composite armor?

@kayagorzan

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@SpanishDio

3 жыл бұрын

Nice profile pic of a Spanish Pilot!

@g_f0rce141

3 жыл бұрын

Rapa Nuii A pilot is still a pilot they all deserve respect for what they do.(not saying you don’t respect them)

@SpanishDio

3 жыл бұрын

@@g_f0rce141 ofc my pa' worked in the Spanish Air force for almost 20 years that's what I said it

@g_f0rce141

3 жыл бұрын

Rapa Nuii nice tell him thanks.

3:11 "Stryker" Also, main reason is that even China has functional CTA guns.

"Heavy seaweed armor" -youtube captions

@Predator20357

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, that’s what ww2 Japanese tanks were made out of

interestingly enough, one of the guns being tested for the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) program uses cased telescoped ammunition.

Btw, I'd estimate that Spookston moves more clear, comprehensible info with his calm, rapid, yet emphatic delivery than most, even well informed narrators could, taking 50% more time.

These are great, keep the design and future tech videos coming!

You forget to mention the new French Recon Wheeled Tank Destroyer, the EBRC Jaguar which is beginning to enter service now is equipped with a 40mm CTA gun, the same as the AJAX.

Could be worth exploring for "full sized" guns such as 120mm or the upcoming 130mm tank guns

The CTA was used by the japanese during the pacific war and they've also used reverse swept wing on their ki's

It's worth noting that often new technologies are not adopted because they aren't enough of an improvement over known quantities in order to justify the investment in fully developing the technology.

1:23 Literally Kraut Space Magic Aka G11.

So 400mm penetration irl, and 270 in game? Sounds legit

I would love to see one of these videos on ram jet shells

France is using the 40mm CTAI on the T40 turret of the VBCI , the Jaguar and the Sphinx. There's an 10RC T40 proto too.

Spookston: Says he won't make another HSTV-L video until it is fixed Also Spookston: Makes a video about technologies relating to the HSTV-L

Man I really like these cannon videos, so interesting

I know I am commenting on an 7 month old video, but i'm curious if you can use CTA for ETC cannons, or are they very much fundamentally at odds with one another?

@samiamrg7

2 жыл бұрын

It seems possible, but it seems equally possible that the kinds of propellants used for ETC guns might not have the correct performance characteristics to launch a nested round since they often burn quickly. They do burn more evenly, though, which could be a desirable trait. I think using a plasma igniter might at least be useful for getting consistent ignition even you don’t use an advanced propellent.

"If the CTA is so good why is it only surfacing now? well it actually has alot of problems.. _so why is it surfacing now?"_

Please make more videos like this one, i want to see more futuristic military technology

Im not normally a gun guy but this was pretty fascinating

maan this mechanicus soundtrack behind is terrifying me :D

Woo, CTAS40! That things so cool.

Oh boy a future tank weaponry video

Nice Jazz at the ending (love that game lol)

I believe Ian McCollum AKA Gun Jesus did a thing on attempts to make bullets like this, some even with multiple bullets. I forget the specifics, but I think the problem was with reliability being very poor.

Though, what makes it more practical? I can imagine a slower rate of fire one of these on an Abrams, to save ammo expenditure, barrel life, accuracy, and maybe a larger round if needed. But there always needs to be a back up if one of them fails to cycle properly or breaks down. Can it be manually loaded or repaired quickly? If not, the army, navy, or air force don't want it if it can't perform in its primary function or have a secondary property of use.

@mill2712

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if it can't have a backup manual loading feature, it's possible the US military might shy away from it. Our friends (Brits, French, Germans, and Japanese.) on the other hand...

i'm not sure you really need the immersion in the propellant, the cylindric case seems to be the main benefit since it allows for the push through feed system. a conventional 90mm cartridge but cylindric and with the projectile sunk into the case like that nagant revolver cartridge could give you the benefits of both.

This reminds me of Vietnam War Era rocket boats, the rounds looked like the shell and casing were wielded together. Th launcher was a twin tube system and rounds were feed into an elevator, as they reached the tube they would turn straight up to load the round.

Spook, do you have any tips in playing the 105 M1s half upgraded (HEAT shell only)? Haven't touch my M1 & M1IP because how unbearable the grind are

This is cool

On the subject of guns, I’ve spent some time conceptualizing a 183mm HVG ( High Velocity Gun). My thinking is that the L4 183mm had unmatched destruction potential, even to this day, among tank cannons. My biggest problem was shell size, and the only way to get a suitable reload was to slap a humongous auto loading mechanism. I wonder if CTA ammunition could solve the weight problem, though I’m not sure about a swing-breech mechanism. Also ammo would be APFSDS and HEATFS.

@matthiuskoenig3378

3 жыл бұрын

consider a (modified) autoloader inspired by the swedish Delat Torn turret (have magazines next to and under the gun, with arms to then transfer the shells to behind and then into the breech.

I'd like to see more on the casing and projectile . Something is very weird about this .

I read: "GTA guns" and thought you were going to talk about the tanks of the new GTA V's several DLCs

So early the notification showed up half way through the video

Return of the light tank is what I’m hearing... which also means return of the blitzkrieg

CTA is a really interesting technology but i'm not sure if it would be ETC compatible. The CTA for small arms i've for small arms all use plastic cases but i don't know if the same goes for cannons.

Spookton, Ajax is not a IFV, it is (apparently) a scout vehicle. warrior is being being upgraded with said CT40 cannon

Spookston im waiting for that decal :)

They are the real life equivalent to Ultra Autocanons from MechWarrior universe

I think a case-less type of ammo would be more interesting and if it were to be combined with cased telescoped type of ammo as well

played alot of barotrauma recently and was wondering, are there any advantages to using a coilgun vs a typical machinegun on a tank or ship

The french Jaguar EBRC is the first platform using CTA to enter service

Nice

The COMVAT was one of the CTA gun designs on a Bradley hull right? Fav looking Bradley hands down!

Are you going to make more future gun videos? I really like them.

That would be so cool if the AJAX has one. Didn't the Warrior get an uprated cannon that's also going on the AJAX though?

Basically it makes your tank blows the hot load really quick.

Now imagine an 155mm artilery with a CTA cannon...

So many ground forces are getting ridnof their Main Battle Tanks from the USMC and the Royal Army.

Would it be possible to combine CTA cannon technology with that of an ETC gun?

A VBCI 2 or an AJAX would be interesting ngl.

You forgot to mention the R-23M which also used telescopic ammo and was launched onboard a Russian space station. It was fired remotely, successfully too. Of course, it was derived from the R-23 which was mounted in the tail turret of the Tu-22 Blinder.

Your tank cannon go boom. Mine goes TAKATAKATAKATAKA

Material science has jumped leaps and bounds That’s why it’s probably peaked interest, required service lifetime is a killer for applying new technology’s - which typically don’t or can’t last the time

CTA Cannons: I’m not like other conventional propulsion cannons!

Looks like Kraut Space Magic 😃

Honestly I saw CTA cannons and was thinking the Chicago Transportation Authority made a gun.

How did they solve the problem of misfeeds? In a normal cartridge, the projectile protrudes enough to safely insert into the barrel, while the rest remains in the breach.

What if we just use a litteral arm powerd by conventional propellant or even magnets to litterally just yeet the porjctile like that one space weel concept thing that never went anywhere. If u put a bunch of powder at the base of the stick it would probably save space as there is no giant barel and because how levers work ur still throwing that projectile hella fast and if its enclosed until the shell leaves the arm I can really see this getting a rediculs amount of velocity. It would just want to tumble in the air tho witch obviously doesn't help with ballistics but I mean it removes the giant barel and still yeets stuff. It also possibly could use pretty much any ammunition type depending on how its built so it's a two steps in a random direction with one step back.

I think you'll agree with me on this one spook, even if the gun needs to pound a target to pen it, the fact it's a machine cannon would terrify opposition. Mount it to a light skirmish like vehicle, or heaven forbid have a HE lobbing dedicated infantry slapper. You'd not need to do much to the enemy to make them run in absolute terror. I think it should have be put into service, but 75mm HE, 40mm yeah it goes pop, but 75mm HE-F? That's how you delete infantry with very low collateral

@yagdtigercommander

3 жыл бұрын

well depends on the enemy. Terrorists and local enemy Militia or conscript troops yes for sure. enemy light armoured and soft skinned vehicles or some old medium tanks or MBTs possibly. Modern MBTs and well trained enemy troops not so much more of a very frustrating road bump for their offense against a defender with such tech. not saying it isn't a threat but it comes down to the competence and gear your enemy as to counter such weapon system with. If you have competent adversary that knows how to use similar advance tech they aren't gonna give up so easily as some incompetent and low tech conscript army of less developed nation.

@osmacar5331

3 жыл бұрын

@@yagdtigercommander but you forget the most important thing, reputation and natiobal culture, a proper british soldier will never retreat unless it's to lure, a russian will run if you put up enough fight, france ran away before the war began

@yagdtigercommander

3 жыл бұрын

@@osmacar5331 well yes and no times have changed we don't know for sure how any one soldier would react now. France today isn't the same france as it was. Nations to learn lessons from war to be better prepared in the future. War is hell and I cant speak for soldiers involved. But some have done some pretty incredible shit against all odds.

@osmacar5331

3 жыл бұрын

@@yagdtigercommander militaries are very often traditional, and don't change often in who they are, when they do, minor, also france is an extremely left country, do i need to mention the film currently undergoing a rightful shit storm

@yagdtigercommander

3 жыл бұрын

Okay whatever.

Nice run down. FYI "anti air defense" is really SEAD (suppression of enemy air defense). What you're referring to is air defense: defense against aircraft.

So, technically, a russian 7.62 mm Nagant revolver from 1890s uses a CTA ammo, judging from the fact that the bullet is fully inside the case?

@bodyno3158

2 жыл бұрын

You are technically right.

Thats cool but what ever happened to the Metal Storm weapons?

So it's a large-bore G11? I can dig it.

Rapidfire darts OH GOD

I wonder could you use ETC gun technology with CTA?

@AltF4OuttaHere

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder too

Spook really do be playing war thunder like it's cod.

Spook, thanks to your videos I have taken an interest in amoured vehicles. Can you recommend some books?

How does this form of ammunition actually work, though? How do you fit the projectile into the casing with the propellent and how does the propellent combust in such a way that it sends the round forward?

@smorrow

Жыл бұрын

The cases are larger diameter than normal.

I tried googling swing breach loaders to get a better idea of how they worked but nothing showed up. Is the rotation of the breach gas powered? How is the next round loaded in? In 1:22 you see a diagram, but how does that magazine on the right of the gun work? You can't have a spring perpendicular to the shells or else it will load one round and then block off every other round. Also the way Spookston described it, it sounds like the breach swings back and fourth but the diagram clear shows a 360 degree turn. I don't know if anyone can answer my questions or link me to a source that can, but it would be very much appreciated.

Could you make video about how weird strv tanks where?

The AJAX is replacing CR2. It’s already on trials and it’s hard to see how it’s cannon WONT come to something

I would like to know how this gun compares to the new Northrop xm913 50mm chain gun.

@sholoms

3 жыл бұрын

Good question.

They should try to make a 120mm+ one

what would be better revolver like breech that can be loaded or swingbreech

How is a gas seal achieved between the breech and the barrel? (Perhaps it isn't, and that's why they're low-efficiency?)

RAVEN guns:'hey hey"

Everybody's gangsta till they hear the RATATATATATATATATATAT But you don't actually hear it cause you're now deaf

Swing breach goes woosh

Will you be doing one on the 50mm Super shot XM903.

Any prototype tank weapons using ceaseless ammo? Would make autoloading simpler.

From what ive heard through the shit pipe theres still alot of problems with ajax and its not near to entering service. There army doesnt know how its going to implement ajax once we get it too as its too large for a recce vehicle and we already have warrior for armoured infantry so its quite a redundant vehicle already!

So the sliding breach mechanism works kinda like the P90 does?

Would cased telescoped ammunition actually work on tanks or just IFV'S

I read the title as GTA cannons and thought it was a theory video for gta 5, I’m smart