It was a signal suspension, had utility conductor with 3 years lining switches. Lined switch wrong way. Guess he wasn't qualified on territory.

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

I don’t know much about the qualifications for those MoW guys, but you can work a territory and not be qualified on it? or was that a mistake by whoever gave the UC the job?

@sudriansignalman9387

Ай бұрын

​@@michiganrailfanfilms353Conductor here, as far as I'm aware any employee working on any section of line has to be qualified for that section of line, OR have a pilot with them AT ALL TIMES

@navychief8425

Ай бұрын

Being qualified is a joke with CSX. They pushed us through conductor school in Atlanta in 6 weeks then gave us 6 months to qualify on over 8 different yards with numerous jobs, then gave me 1 week to learn and qualify on the road working only at night. Then learning two other yards to work on the way then two terminal yards. If I hadn't lucked out and was able to hold a relatively easy yard with a great TM I would have been finished in a very short time.

@LanceKTM950

Ай бұрын

He probably got less than 5 minutes to line the switches.

@grandcrappy

Ай бұрын

HF incident, PTSD l8ke a bitch for all.

Prayin for the crew. Amazing. You can hear the adrenalin coursing through him as he tried to remain calm.

That’s absolutely crazy. Heard 3 were taken to the hospital with non life threatening injuries (per news article)

you can just tell how shaken up the crew is. hope everyone is okay

@Greatdome99

Ай бұрын

The trains sure weren't.

@heartland96a

Ай бұрын

I believe the other crewmen of the engineer reporting had a broken arm and leg

I assume that the switch that separates the mainline and where the rock train was stopped at, wasn’t set properly which caused the intermodal train to accidentally head into the same track which the rock train was stopped and collide

I give it like 15 minutes before the actual footage is uploaded 500 times

@norbertdx

Ай бұрын

As well as the water cooler experts.

@heatheroglesby8832

Ай бұрын

Lol

My goodness, you were quick on this.

@jeffersoncitysubrailfan

Ай бұрын

no kidding

I have a question. I understand the PCT was out or off at the time. HOW ever, even so with the switches aligned improperly and a train in the block ahead, Would not the on coming train have had a red signal befor entering the junction. Even with or with out the PCT, the red signal should have been seen by the on coming train. That had to be an abrupt stop!

Preyers being raised for the crews involved, cant imagine this is gonna be a easy situation to figure out both on the railroad and Folkston City side of things because i belive part of the rear of I032 is blocking a crossing.

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

I032 (as I’m typing this) does have cars on the ground near the crossings in town too, to add to the nightmare. Thankfully it was tiny (like 3.2k feet long), if it was a biggie then the entire town would be screwed.

@csxfan1972

Ай бұрын

Yeah

Plz correct any of my misinformation. The rock train was heading south, and pulled into a siding. The intermodal was headed northbound. The switch AHEAD of the rock train had the intermodal lined into them. If correct, is it std procedure for a train crew entering a siding to review a forward switch setting?

@mattberg916

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure if it's by rule, but I absolutely would not sit with a switch lined on top of me especially if it's within my sight. And I'd be talking to the train rolling at me if I couldn't get there in time. I know some conductors and engineers I've worked with carried binoculars

@sudriansignalman9387

Ай бұрын

There was a utility man who was supposed to be lining switches due to a outage. He set the switch incorrectly.

@yrunaked4

Ай бұрын

@@sudriansignalman9387he had a 50/50 chance and got it wrong

Somebody was on the wrong track, Why, who was responsible for aligning the switch properly?

The problem is that the railroads are pushing conductors through training WAY too fast! When I was a trainee, we got a month at a company training school, and then it was OTJ training for 9 months to a year before we were ever allowed to be on our own! Then it went to 3 weeks at school and 6 months OTJ training followed by 2 weeks at school and 2 months OTJ training now at NS it's 1 week at school and 45 days OTJ training. During this time, accidents and incidents have high skyrocketed! When the training dropped to 1 week of school and 30 days OTJ, we had the 1st on duty death at our yard we'd have since the early 70s! It's gonna get worse, and the railroads don't give a damn as long as the trains keep moving.

Not good the juice train will be late to NJ. May all be well.

Oops. That intermodal usually heads north bypassing Waycross. The pictures show it lined to Waycross.

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

The previous train through there was M442, which is a Waycross train, so that’s where the whoopsie came from, lol

@maestromecanico597

Ай бұрын

@@michiganrailfanfilms353 Oy. Cayce, SC, all over again. Someone’s on the street.

@JediTev

Ай бұрын

​@maestromecanico597 THAT'S the name I couldn't remember. Cayce, SC! Yes, a repeat of that again.

@Wildland_Firefighter

Ай бұрын

It's a busy line due to the CSX Waycross Rice Yard

@maestromecanico597

Ай бұрын

@@Wildland_Firefighter Yes, that’s why it was supposed to go north directly to Jesup. Instead it met a rock train.

made a huuuuge bang and i mean huuge!!!

There’s about to be a train crew or dispatcher position opening at CSX in the near future

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

It was not the crew or dispatcher at fault it’s sounding like. The MoW guys reported the switches were lined and locked for both trains to proceed on opposite mains, when in reality they were not. Since the signal system was either suspended or taken out of service due to the work going on in the area, the dispatcher could not visually confirm this. The switches were in fact lined so that the intermodal train plowed right into the stopped local because their EC-1 permitted movement on what they assumed to be a clear track.

@joec6804

Ай бұрын

With the permission from the dispatcher. Based on this information given from the MOW crew in regards to the positionsof the switches. (Wrong). Since the signals were OOS. Are they to proceed at restricted speed?

@rogerlilly9629

Ай бұрын

I think it may be a MOW fella on the block

@briansmyla8696

Ай бұрын

@@michiganrailfanfilms353 Why wasn't the crew on the train in the siding asked to verify the switch, since they were sitting almost on top of it?

Dang that’s awful, hope they’re all ok.

What baffles me is how I032 was allowed to proceed as fast as they were despite PTC being cut out and the switches being lined manually. Had PTC been on this could have easily been prevented. Wouldn't surprise me if the FRA enacts new restrictions about when PTC is cut out.

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

I’m not familiar with the timetables and what not down there, but what is track speed through the turnout/interlocking if you’re continuing north on the A-line? I ask this because I was told he hit the 743 at 40mph roughly.

@HueyRailfanning

Ай бұрын

@@michiganrailfanfilms353 through freight is 60mph continuing north; and in most cases 40/45 through the turnout onto the Jesup sub

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

@@HueyRailfanning I032 normally continues north on the A-line though, right? Last I recall it doesn’t even touch Waycross

@HueyRailfanning

Ай бұрын

@@michiganrailfanfilms353 correct

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

@@HueyRailfanning I’m gonna share my two cents and say that I doubt I032 was going 60mph, the curve on the connection track onto the Jesup is pretty tight, I bet it woulda came off the tracks right away if it took that curve at 60. Unless it passed the camera going 60, then I’d believe it. But I doubt there’s any footage of that given that VR took it down, as they always do.

Don't they have PTC? 😮

@JosueRodriguez-kk6wn

Ай бұрын

PTC does not prevent head-on collisions.

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

This isn’t PTC, train crews or dispatcher at fault, track workers had control of the switches and didn’t line the switches correctly.

@Pottsburg

Ай бұрын

This had to have been dark territory (non ptc or signaled track) for the train to be going that fast with a switch lined against them.

@orlandorailfanproductions2010

Ай бұрын

Heard it was a miss set switch

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

@@PottsburgThis happened in what js normally signaled territory, HOWEVER, the maintenance of way guys cut the signals out, and they were manually operating switches for trains while the trains were running under track authority warrants (EC1’s). BIG screw up on their end.

There are two football fields from the switch to the impact site, and the stopped train is in clear view of the switch. Qualification unnecessary.

Yikes!

Non Union contractor used in signal wiring?

The 1890s are back.

@cdavid8139

Ай бұрын

Railroads in the US, MX and CA move incredible tonnage with accidents rate that continue to fall. And then come the railfans..............

@snydedon9636

Ай бұрын

@@cdavid8139 what do rail fans have to do with train wrecks?

@cdavid8139

Ай бұрын

@@snydedon9636 Nothing with the wreck itself. It's the second guessing posts on KZread and other forums that a few bad apples feel obligated to publish.

@cody8217

Ай бұрын

​@@cdavid8139Accident rates are going up, not down...

Womp womp

A standing, unmoving train, rear-ended by an oncoming train on the same track like this accident, is clearly NOT a "head-on collision"! A head-on collision is when two trains, traveling in opposite directions on the same track, collide "head-on", with each train's locomotives, crashing directly into each other!

@michiganrailfanfilms353

Ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video before you made that smarta** comment? In the communications, the L743 engineer clearly states that “we’ve been hit head on”.

@MatthewMello

Ай бұрын

It was as head on as your can get. 2 leading engines wacking into 3 leading engines stopped...head on.

What f****** MOrons does the railroad hiring nowadays?

@Interesting_Banana

Ай бұрын

people who run companies, not railroaders who know how trains work and not just obsessed with short term profits

@CecilStembridge

Ай бұрын

Have you seen the supply chain of people??

@hawghead4596

Ай бұрын

Someone, somewhere, is going to get an “Arrange to Attend” letter.

@brianjames4233

Ай бұрын

I could tell you some stories about what kind of idiots they hire.

@LanceKTM950

Ай бұрын

It's not only the idiots that they hire but also the 30 minutes of training that they receive.

911 what's your emergency yeah we were just hit head-on by a train okay sir what the f*** do you want me to do about it

@brianjames4233

Ай бұрын

Are you implying that they shouldn't notify the dispatcher in the event of an emergency?

@LanceKTM950

Ай бұрын

@@brianjames4233 Dispatchers move trains and don't deal with anything that stops them.

@27scoob

Ай бұрын

​@@LanceKTM950 What ? The dispatcher is always contacted when there is a delay or an emergency with a train.

@tonyburzio4107

Ай бұрын

The dispatcher can stop other trains, but calling EMS services, nope.