Love the class, for my regiment this summer, I will be re-watching every episode, every morning. Better to prepare yourself than, to be not prepared.

15 mins into it and this is already so interesting ! Everyone should know this stuff to avoid getting manipulated by media

Thank you very much for uploading. I did really enjoy the class and learned a lot from it.

Thx. Prof. Sadler! wish you a happy & healthy life!!!!!

I stumbled upon this class and I am extremely glad I did so

@AlexSage

6 жыл бұрын

Lucius Vorenus try also Your Deceptive Mind by Prof. Steven Novella... people won’t be able to lie to you... you’ll identify fraud on time if you add those lenses to your thinking scope... =))

Ohh dang! Love Dr., Sadler's work - his online lectures have gotten me through 3 years of philosophy! I'm very stoked to find him talking about rhetoric - what is this, a crossover episode?

A sincere compliment is medicine . And it makes that person see something good about themselves when they may not see the beauty of themselves at a critical moment.

I write plays and screenplays and love rhetoric and rhetorical devices. This lecture was a pleasure, a privilege and a joy. Dr Sadler, thank you.

Well, rhetoric and philosophy can work very well together -- they do for Aristotle and for Cicero, who make some major contributions to both fields, and saw the two disciplines as able to contribute to each other.

Great lecture I love it Thanks for the upload :)

I watched all the Critical Thinking videos by Dr. Sadler I could find on KZread. I even bought and perused the book he used to teach with in this video. It helped me to get a lot better at thinking more critically, that is, think smarter. Thanks Dr. Sadler!

@fadwael3562

8 жыл бұрын

What's the title of this book? tnx in advance

@isillor529

8 жыл бұрын

+Fadwa El good use of "thx in advance" to try to get him to do something he wasn't going to do before. failed anyways....but good use. ;)

@fadwael3562

8 жыл бұрын

+jim gordon Unfortunately...

@briankelly1817

8 жыл бұрын

+Fadwa El It's called "Moore and Parker's Critical Thinking" I can't remember what edition it is. PS, look at the other comments, because I previously wrote the title of the book in the comment section a while ago, which Dr. Sadler graciously had written me. Hope that helps!

@iiwi758

7 жыл бұрын

+Fada Darksmen Thank you!

Great lecture! You can see how rhetoric is used everyday not just by friends and family, but also by government and religion.

watching this in passing while i contemplate how to write a rhetorical essay. very nice lecture

I'm not sure how I implied that I see it as a better diet in any real sense of the term -- other than providing a bit more protein and calcium. It was certainly seen as a "better" one by those who shifted to it, until they started seeing side effects. And, it seems to have resulted in bigger kids. But, yes, meat/dairy is not necessarily better (or worse) than a traditional Japanese (or any other veg/fish strong) diet -- really depends on quality of the food, I think

Using KZread to study for the Cset. This video is so helpful. I am ready! :)

Thank you for your amazing explanations

Thanks very much! And, since you brought it up, I'm actually planning on developing an online course (with many improvements and additions) in Critical Thinking this coming Fall. If by the Trivium, you mean a foundation in three of the traditional liberal arts -- Grammar (which included Literature), Rhetoric (which included some Psychology) and Dialectic (not just Logic, but Inquiry) -- I'm definitely in favor of that.

Thank you! Hope you get an online class going on critical thinking. That would be awesome.

I only wanted a quick thumbnail example of RHETORICAL and I ended up watching the entire video! ;-) Good stuff.

We were using Moore and Parker's "Critical Thinking"

What clear explanations he makes.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Good thing they recorded the lectures... I learned all of these from Walter Armstrong @ Duke... but this guy teaches very easy... excellent teacher! Armstrong was easy too... Here I’m just more relaxed...

Thank you for the video.

Dr Sadler is awesome.

you should record more classes and upload it, it would help random people as well your students who missed class or want hear them again

The coffee cup looks to be in my hands. Are you asking where it is from? Oshkosh, WI, where my sister was a student

Thanks!

It starts slow but turned out pretty informative. Thanks for the lecture!

@Areopagitican: simple answer to that one. In classical Greek, "u" is pronounced "oo," so when I'm pronouncing Greek-derived words, I tend to pronounce the "U"s that way

anyone have a summary, or key points of what was gone over?

Well, some of them at least. If you like the videos from this course, I've got Ethics and Intro to Philosophy course videos over on my own KZread channel -- now being taught at Marist College, after I left FSU

A valuable skill. . . .

Well, the logos part of rhetoric is what it also -- from an Aristotelian perspective -- has in common with dialectic, and with logic (broadly conceived). It's not coming solely from rhetoric

I can get by with French or German, but my languages I mainly use for reading -- so those would include Latin and Classical Greek

Well, this is neat. Thanks!

I think we have a difference in terms. I see rhetoric as making argument based on occasion/situation, audience, and a mix of commonplace knowledge and special knowledge. Also, in my view, language varies in value in degree and type across readings, viewings, or hearings an argument. So to say that language is neutral is approaching language from a very different intellectual position. I'm not sure what isn't based in language of some kind - whether it is a visual or auditory/textual language.

There are more places where horse is eaten normally. In Slovenia you can find it in fast foods open 24/7 :) And that's just what I know of!

What about the inartistic (factual) proof or logos as a rhetorical appeal?

Well that story about Socrates persuading someone; I saw it on Empires on PBS. I would consider rhetoric a tool in that it a tool can be misused, used differently, or used in the proper manner. Basically, rhetoric could be compatible but not always and in every situation. What do you think of this?

You're very welcome -- if you like this stuff, check out my personal channel, where I've got 25+ videos on various topics, texts, and thinkers in Philosophy

Depends on which teacher you chose, I suspect

dr saddler, i didn't catch the last example you said, the video ended : (

Well, I think that will have to be something that I produce myself. The place I'm currently teaching doesn't have a CT class.

I know you said the book you were using was "Moore and Parker's Critical Thinking", but what edition was it? I would really really like to read it and follow along.

I'm studying rhetoric and stumbled upon your video. It's wonderful as usual. By the way, in the 1950's in the US, there was horse meat in the frozen food section, next to the frozen peas. Where's your coffee cup?

Yes -- Aristotle actually says, in his own work on Rhetoric, that we ought to learn how to use it effectively, since we'll run into it nearly everywhere -- and it's shameful not to be able to defend ourselves!

Do the prefixes ("eu" and "dys") also apply to the terms utopia and dystopia? I thought they might be, but I am not sure since it is not spelled "eutopia". I like the videos so far, by the way.

This video helped me a lot.

@reasoniocritthinking

9 жыл бұрын

Glad to read it. You might check out my channels. My main channel has 600+ philosophy videos. I've also recently started the new channel I'm writing this post from

Yea I did mean that Trivium; I am just not sure what the additional inquiry in logic pertains to. By inquiry do you mean extending beyond formal logic and applying logic to material propositions? I was just curious because I recently read a book called "The Trivium" by Sister Miriam Joseph and found her presentation of the Trivium very illuminating. I would be interested in taking an online critical thinking course as well!

I have BPD and after a few of Dr. Sadler's sessions, I'm suddenly noticing a lot of flaws in my delivery or verbiage when I'm having a petulant BPD-type episode. I've been in therapy for a year now and have beginner's knowledge of CBT Cognitive Behavior therapy. However, with this tool, I have a bit more to fall back on when my thinking gets stinking or engulfed in my own selfish narratives that make me seem like a bigot and or a real big effing jerk. I trust with continued practice I will stop "Putting things in the worst terms possible." 😍😘I'm curious if this will be like skating now; once you learn it you don't forget. It's only been a couple days now since learning of this channel. I'm hoping this will help me get to a place where I don't have as many or any episodes. 😇

Dr Sadler really knows his stuff; better still, he explains it clearly and in an engaging way. Lucky students. Thanks for posting.

Inquiry involves attention to precisely how it is we go about learning, knowing, assessing, etc -- so that takes us way beyond formal, and even most informal logic, which is a tool for inquiry, but not the only one. The history of logic, in fact, is full of attempts to understand the broader category of inquiry A now-classic example of this would be C.S. Pierce's conception of "abduction," which he suggested adding to induction and deduction -- to have a better conception of how we reason

@truthseeker1871

6 жыл бұрын

Fair deal. So far I have decided that informal reasoning is just another phrase for deception. How to deceive human beings in so many lessons. I have a professor who has taught me so. That's all the whole course came down to in spades. Deception. How to deceive your neighbor. Despicable.

@chilly111

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker1871 A tool can be used for many uses. Of course it's used to deceive or manipulate. But it's also used in the arts and communication, and for protecting yourself from bad arguments, intentional or not.

It was the 9th edition

tomorrow is the first day of this course at my college, i hope I din't go wrong in choosing this class

Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed. One thing though: you seem to imply that the Japanese moving towards a westernized diet is moving towards a "better" diet. More meat and more dairy will indeed increase mass and might cause acne but I certainly doubt it could be qualified as being better nutrition.

What book are you using for this class? I can't seem to figure it out!

Well, my tone was always good in Mandarin -- unfortunately, I've never put in the kind of time to actually make much progress! I'm a bit lazy

can someone share the book name?

can I ask what the textbook is?

Isn't innuendo just a form of passive-aggression? Or is that the whole point? I've never been one to be passive aggressive.

12 years ago when you could say common sense things like this without being crucified lol love it!

What is the book being used in class?

As the prof pointed out, rhetoric often appeals to emotion instead of reason. This puts rhetoric at odds with philosophy because philosophy is based in reason instead of emotion.

Who needs public speaking courses to fulfill GE courses when you can watch these fine lectures? Thanks for posting these videos Professor! Do you recommend studying the Trivium method to education?

Books to get: The art of rhetoric by Aristotle, the trivium, De oratore by Cicero, how to win an argument. Public Speaking for success by dale Carnegie, the exceptional presenter, the secret language of influence.

We were using Moore and Parker's Critical Thinking. Not a particularly good book, and apparently the 9th and 10th editions are in certain respects inferior to previous editions. So far, I have to say, I've never found a Critical Thinking textbook I could really say I was happy with. . . might have to write my own

Specifically, from Glen Beck.

Critical thinking involves making arguments for each case - arguments are based in language - rhetoric is a way of using language to tip the favour in one way without adding (or taking away) value to an argument and so it should be studied.

I'm not sure Socrates persuaded anyone that he was physically handsome. It really depends -- for whether philosophy and rhetoric are compatible or even complementary -- what models one has for the two fields

He has his own channel and is very interesting.

@reasoniocritthinking

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks (from the second of my channels)

I could see how rhetoric can be used to persuade a point to someone. I remember hearing of a story where Socrates "persuades" someone to think he is a handsome guy so philosophers have used rhetoric but I guess persuading a point is not always the logical way to explain something. Interesting fact: St. Augustine, an influential philosopher, taught rhetoric.

makes sense

Thx for this. Got any new stuff?

@runawaybuns

3 жыл бұрын

Try reading "Thank you for arguing" it is a great book that goes WAYYYY in-depth

The change to climate change is not a euphemism, it is a clarification of terms based on additional evidence.

A bit. Just a bit

big lebowski dropping knowledge

I heard that facial recognition is partly genetic and partly developed when you are a baby. This is why it's easier to recognise the faces of people within your own racial group and why other races can look very similar to each-other.

my AP teacher calls it ree-tohr-ick is that incorrect?

@reasoniocritthinking

8 жыл бұрын

+Marrissa Jones If he or she has an accent, I suppose it's all right for him or her

Hey Professor what's the book used for this class? Thank you

@ChooseAname495

8 жыл бұрын

Karl Ms Thank you professor, I'm on my way to buy the book "go to hell", who's the author by the way?

@ChooseAname495

8 жыл бұрын

Karl Ms hmmm let me see.....could it be by.....the illustrious world renowned professor Karl Ms?

Well, like you point out, you get this for free. In order to understand why I'm going so slow with these students, in a required Core course, you might look up FSU and see what level the students it takes in are. Since you're clearly a go-getter, I'll leave that research to you. . .

heeeeeeey guys im Sultan, everybody should listen carefully. Heather's class.

This man is Leonardo Dicaprio in "don't look up". Took me 33 seconds to realize it.

I see. . . so, by that reasoning, I (and all my peers) can't do critical thinking, eh, since I teach it?

Thank you this stuff is so confusing.

Horse meat is pretty delicious, actually! Great videos.

Chalkboard and cardigan, it’s like teaching at the end of the twentieth century.

I laughed when someone asked if its on the menu in France.

The Big Lebowski, with glasses, and sober at 8:00 in the morning

Maybe. I prefer to think that rhetoric makes critical thinking possible, or at the very least critical thinking is a function of rhetoric.

Dysphemisms !!?! Crazy man 👍🏾

Actually feel like i can write an essay now. My teacher is so useless, doesnt even use a book, just wings it each class and gets sidetracked

I appreciate this video, so I feel bad but I can only see him as a tube of Dijon mustard.

I like how he teaches.

@reasoniocritthinking

8 жыл бұрын

+Rihards Vārna Glad to read it!

I'm that guy -- so, yep

Euphemism: County Correctional Facility - Jail

rhetoric certainly can derail critical thinking---that's the point.

The Pace of conveying useful information is too slow. I have to keep skipping and fast forwarding to get to the point! It's a good thing I don't have to pay for tuition for this class.

then you should take a class on critical thinking :P

Philosophy and rhetoric and at odds? I thought rhetoric is a tool that philosophy can use to promote ideas in a logical way.