Ironic how MGS4 was a game Kojima didn't want to make until after fan response, and this is a review George didn't want to make until after fan response.

@Tamacat388

6 жыл бұрын

Kimo Force And both feel like the creators put half-hearted efforts into them.

@greciasoleble

6 жыл бұрын

The full circle comes to an end

@GoodLosertjo

6 жыл бұрын

you see it's like poetry you know that they rhyme...

@xMasterSparku

6 жыл бұрын

Good Loser hopefully it'll work

@DJPsyq

6 жыл бұрын

It’s apt. It’s not at all ironic. It is exactly what you would expect. Irony is not a funny coincidence.

The protagonists being dismayed at the prospect of Ocelot achieving world peace will always be hilarious to me

@timcosgrove707

2 жыл бұрын

Is it peace if all the weapons are controlled by one guy? Or is it just a monopoly of force?

@boarpsimson8675

2 жыл бұрын

World peace via dictatorship. Great.

@AstroNomics23

2 жыл бұрын

@@boarpsimson8675 sounds better than world war via dictatorship tbh

@dunkawunka2278

4 ай бұрын

​@@timcosgrove707 both!

Why did I sit through this? I haven't played a single MGS game in my whole life

@RobertEdwinHouse9

4 жыл бұрын

Your loss

@paulj6805

2 жыл бұрын

Never too late. I played them for the first time last year and they are all excellent games.

@Stefano.C

2 ай бұрын

Don't worry, if you still don't have any interest at all, that's fine

@whateverwhatever4026

2 ай бұрын

Arrest him!!!

@srego7630

23 күн бұрын

Congrats, you got em all to get through

it should have been fox die nice try

@Scerttle

6 жыл бұрын

OMG that's perfect!

@tes_slamjam

6 жыл бұрын

thank u so much i was trying so hard to think of one for mONTHS now. u did it gj

@AviationHubOfficial

6 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

@umbaupause

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, I thought of "Fox Die I lied" but this is superior...! :o

@kleineblaueaugen

5 жыл бұрын

Fox...? Die! ...Denied!

And of course, we close 2017 with the most anticipated video of the decade. Bless you George.

@NDragon89

6 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you here Alex, I'm a huge fan of your channel as well as George's!

@scribble71891

6 жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this for years! Cheers!

@LowSpecGamer

6 жыл бұрын

Now you have me googling PS3 emulators...

@LowSpecGamer

6 жыл бұрын

Superbunnyhop is one of my top 5 favorite channels.

@SeanNaut

6 жыл бұрын

Same! Such a good quality channel!

... i never put together that naomi dies in the same room as frank. ughghghhhhhh its like poetry, etc.

@yakovhadash

6 жыл бұрын

Rm Wolfe it rhymes

@Pan_Z

6 жыл бұрын

Rm Wolfe Really shit poetry

@arbiter-

6 жыл бұрын

It's like pottery

@mrmijunte10

6 жыл бұрын

It broke new ground!

@camycamera

6 жыл бұрын

There's so much happening on the screen at once. Naomi is the key to all of this.

The thing about the ID weapons was actually already stablished in MGS2 in the Plant section. The Coronel explains that Raiden can't steal enemies weapons because of it and weapons will have to be found on site due to it. It actually hints that Snake isn't with the Seals during the first Vamp Attack,as Raiden is able to shoot with his gun.

@carcrashjayson

Жыл бұрын

13:52

@justbny9278

8 ай бұрын

@@carcrashjayson yeah wild i jumped to comments so easily at that tim--WAIT 5 YEARS WTF

The microwave scene was sad for me because I cared about Snake.

@callum6224

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@SushinokoLive

Жыл бұрын

This is probably the only one that tugs people a certain way. Yes this game is dumb but it exists and Snake is the Snake we have known and played as for years, so seeing him in such a state was always gunna suck

41:00 I see you shaking that controller!

@Daniel-Rosa.

6 жыл бұрын

Squibidyflop OH MY G... I NEV... AND I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE TO LOOK AT.

@Dr.UldenWascht

6 жыл бұрын

So was I ... Not the controller though.

@RENZEENO

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I didn't even know about this

@annedrieck7316

3 жыл бұрын

Ha rookie!

Kept us waiting, huh?

I actually love this game. I do hate myself though.

@Big-BossX

3 жыл бұрын

Dont worry about it man you aint alone I hate you too

The idea that the first 3 games “feel like they wanted to be made,” is great.

"Why did Snake spend the last decade getting good at CQC?" Well, according to a codec call with Otakon, Snake learned CQC from Big Boss himself, but he just didn't want to use it because he was so disgusted by him and everything that could relate to him. Yeah, that's an ass pull but it's still an explanation.

@blitzkriegdragon013

6 жыл бұрын

Not the worst ass pull I've heard of. It makes sense that Snake was trained in CQC, and adding that snake stoped using it as an excuse for the simple combat in previous games is pretty decent.

@benlink202forever

6 жыл бұрын

There are worse ass pulls in the MGS universe for sure.

@Snakethoot

6 жыл бұрын

Wrong Hawk, in MGS1 you can also grab the enemies. This gives you the option tu throw them, stun them or break their necks. It's not a matter of technical capabilities. Kojima just inventend the concept of CQC in MGS3 and it became a fan favorite. So not using it in MGS4 was out of the question. Therefore the ass pull reason of "I knew how to do it, I just didn't want to do it."

@JohnSmith-co1zv

6 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is CQB and CQC refer to the exact same thing IRL, so it could have been left unmentioned and no one would have noticed.

@luminosity01

3 жыл бұрын

@@uncanny-hector-1906 because the plot says so

I didn’t know you did movie reviews! (Original joke, I know)

@PSVitaat2am

6 жыл бұрын

Hey still works!

@salokin3087

6 жыл бұрын

You’re everywhere Who are you?

@courperationX

6 жыл бұрын

Actually this is the first I've heard that particular one.

@xmm-cf5eg

6 жыл бұрын

Still a more original concept than MGS4's plot.

@SullySadface

6 жыл бұрын

MGS4's final cutscene is literally 2 sandwiches and a beer run long

"I used to be an anime otaku."

@WisteriaNerium

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Gonzalez Otaku has a different meaning on Japan than the rest of the World, mainly because the concept wasn't adapted well with full context, on Japan it simply means someone obssesed over something, not just anime

@ohamatchhams

4 жыл бұрын

@@WisteriaNerium Yeah it's used to plainly a term in Japan for "nerds" than as a term outside Japan as to refer to someone that obsessed too much over anime or something

@alpgiray9118

4 жыл бұрын

_didn't we all..._

@x6dingle6x

4 жыл бұрын

I see you're a man of culture as well.

@TheRealProudNoob

4 жыл бұрын

Once an otaku...

It's time, George. You reviewed them all, except one. Critical Close-Up: Metal Gear *SurVive* You are the only one who can pull this off.

@MustafaTurgutDenizer

5 жыл бұрын

Did he make the Peace Walker ? I couldn't find it.

@fuzzydunlop1753

4 жыл бұрын

No afaik he didn't do PW. Anyway, here's a review for survive: It's ass, the end.

@MustafaTurgutDenizer

4 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzydunlop1753 It's boring.

@Abdultidus

4 жыл бұрын

hhahahahahahhaha. im with u bro, come on George!

@sonicecho4777

4 жыл бұрын

did he do portable ops?

Listen to how these two stories introduce their characters: “Vulcan Raven, giant and shaman.” As opposed to: “This is Katana, she got my back.”

@zyxluz4645

4 жыл бұрын

"her sword captures the souls of its victims"

"I'm sure that Kojima doesn't actually know how dumb this stuff sounds in English." I don't think you could have put that any better.

liked how the part about the first total ceasefire in human history implicates that no one thought to just pick up a rock and continue fighting with primitive weaponry after everyone’s guns stopped working.

@daoyang223

Жыл бұрын

Funny how people are willing to war still. Somehow some way. In real life. Instead of growing jaded of war. They would most definitely pick up a rock and keep fighting. Jesus Christ. I think I'm retarded.

@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS

11 ай бұрын

@@daoyang223 or use bioweapons

@SpoonyBard88

4 ай бұрын

Does nobody have a knife? Or do the nanomachines blunt all of their edges without SOP? How are they all connected? Do they need to carry around a WIFI hotspot?

Confession time: I was one of the fans who wanted to know who the Patriots were. I agree that until the credits of mgs2 their identity wasn't relevant, but in the call after the credits the player discovers the data regarding the names of the Patriots that snake and otacon acquired were false. If this didn't happen I would have thought "the Patriots are some old guys we don't know, snake deals with them offscreen, the end" but the inclusion of that final conversation made me think there was a reason they were still hiding the Patriots' identities. I also like the fact that the cast from mgs3 is revealed to be the Patriots, it shows that people don't do evil things because they're inherently evil, but because their goals get distorted along the way. I understand why people didn't like the revelation though, it is a bit too much of a coincidence to have every character in the series be connected in some way.

@TheGudStuffs

4 жыл бұрын

Deborah Meltrozo it was one of the most underwhelming reveals for me, for sure.. They went from sinister, creepy (amplified by the bugging out AI) and shrouded in mystery to those guys, because of “fuck this, don’t want to make this sequel, cant be bothered to write the backstory for these guys so let’s just make these guys the patriots”

@jiifigmentforever

4 жыл бұрын

I at least liked it because of Zero alone. Zero, despite being a bit of a goofball, seemed like he knew more what was going on in the background and knew more than he was letting on compared to the amateurs that came with him. Also, Sigint made sense to be the DARPA chief since I think that was planned in there already?

@supremeworld87

4 жыл бұрын

@Deborah Meltrozo they were never goofballs.

@javiercasimirojr3553

4 жыл бұрын

I understand why there may be so much hate due to retcons and whatnot. The huge coincidence of the patriots being the team from operation snake eater was definitely a curveball for me knowing the way they were in mgs3 but I have 2 things to say about the outcry from fans about this: 1-people change over time and the experiences they go through, and we are talking about 54 years between mgs3 and mgs4, from 1964 to 2018 a lot can happen. Simply between snake eater and operation intrude n313 there are about 30 years in between. If we have come to accept that the hero who was given the name big boss for saving the world and averting ww3 descended into a war monger who threatened the world, why is it so farfetched to accept that the team that supported him in this endeavor in spite of their good intentions created an organization that would take a life of its own and create the war-bound world of mgs4? Not to mention all of this was to fullfill what they believed was the boss's will which is why Big Boss was also a member. 2-coincidence as it may have been, the identies of the founding members of the patriots served to converge all of the storylines from previous entries to this one and bring them to an ultimate conclusion. Would we as fans have preferred that the patriots or their founding members never be revealed, especially after the final conversation in mgs2? Or on another note, would it have been more satisfying that the patriots be characters that have nothing to do with the existing cast, requiring the shoehorned introduction and development of them as the big villains of the franchise, even when a strong point of the mgs series is that the physical villains are not necessarily the ultimate villains?

@javiercasimirojr3553

4 жыл бұрын

@abels121 the issue with this argument is that Skullface made his debut in MGSV the entry after MGS4

Damn, MGS4 will turn ten years old this year.

@Abdega

6 жыл бұрын

I know how to make self-assembling nano-structures Does that count?

@gabrielledebourg2487

4 жыл бұрын

Now it’s also 5 years after the future the game was set in.

@lanni5

4 жыл бұрын

I checked

@EvanSchatz

4 жыл бұрын

@@lanni5 Vamp is here....

@TheAgentJesus

4 жыл бұрын

Miles Highson you guys remember Vamp? Well he’s here.

God DAMN IT George! It’s five in the morning, I only got up to pee and I gotta go to work at nine!

@C1K47

6 жыл бұрын

Sambou Jaiteh Same here, man

@GodDamnRider

6 жыл бұрын

U work in new year's day??

@smjaiteh

6 жыл бұрын

GodDamnRider New Years Eve here

@SullySadface

6 жыл бұрын

Can't tell if your life is amazing or sucks dude

@mohabiraq1

6 жыл бұрын

Actually it's 5:30

Critical close up peace walker.... come-on George.

Best thing about this game was the PMC enemy designs. I can’t get enough of it.

the main hammered message that i saw is everyone tired... Snake, Raiden, the support cast, The devolepers and Kojima for the new era, they grew old and can't always stay the same charamastic personality for long time

@Requiemrexx

6 жыл бұрын

Gorgeous Gremac The main theme of the story was coping with aging bodies in the face of unrelenting societal change to a future that doesn't concern them. That's what made the game so emotional to me. It was my first Metal Gear so I didn't get hung up on the fan service. It was a single, beautiful narrative for me that delt with an extremely interesting theme. George didn't bloody address that much at all.

@triangleangle7544

6 жыл бұрын

Requiemrex it's clear that he wasn't intressted to make Mgs4 Close up and refused until countless fans request and Patreon, yet he still added effort and the video was entertaining

@justbny9278

6 жыл бұрын

Requiemrex so... Getting old?

I felt like I could watch this video forever and have no qualms. It's as entertaining as it is eye opening, and your point about fan service really hit home. The best thing you can do to service fans is to maintain your level of quality, not throw in cheap gimmicks that are less intelligent and funny than fan created projects.

@NickHunter

6 жыл бұрын

Also, giving the loudest fans what they supposedly want is generally not a good idea!

@DavidWoods255

6 жыл бұрын

Ooo Raycevick is a fan of the Bunnyhop? I'm not surprised - you're both amazing

@gab_gallard

6 жыл бұрын

Sup Lucas! Subscriber here! Never thought about a "Years later" series on MGS? I mean, I never thought about you doing that stuff because I didn't knew you liked MGS, but since you're here... :)

@Daniel-Rosa.

6 жыл бұрын

Raycevick That's true. We only become fans in the first place because someone, at some point, made something excellent that nobody asked for.

@camycamera

6 жыл бұрын

If you want an even more detailed analysis of MGS4 and its problems, you should also check out matthewmatosis's video on MGS4. It's more entertaining than watching the 6 hours of cutscenes of MGS4 on youtube.

This game is a testament to sequel baggage, every single new concept and potential for new characters is immediately lost because the game is too busy addressing it's own lore, all the runtime that could have been used to be spend getting to know the BnB characters, or having a proper exploration of the "Future generations" theme is lost because fans really wanted to know who the patriots were, or what exactly happened after MGS2 but before this game takes place.

This thumbnail, man Everytime when I got this vid in my recommendations, I try to ignore it but this image always draws me back and I have to watch this again

You have no idea how many years I have waited for this review!

Your baldness is progressing in a respectable way.

@ViktorKruger99

6 жыл бұрын

Much better than James Rolfe if you ask me.

@xBINARYGODx

6 жыл бұрын

there is no such thing - just shave it off already - it will look better than the "I am so totally going bald, but I have styled my hair to make that is even more obvious"

@xmm-cf5eg

6 жыл бұрын

I'm more of a "who gives a shit how much hair you have" kinda guy, I think he looks alright!

@wolfumz

6 жыл бұрын

BINARYGOD yeah, George, at least try shaving your head and see how it looks.

Honestly, 4 has probably given me the most memorable instances from any MGS game.. not best, but definitely most

38:00 Agness Kaku is a pro. Straight up. If there's anyone who could do the translation and the interpretation of the script, it was her. Everything she said about Kojima and the writing was spot on.

He told it going to be released in 2017, he delivered.

@Daniel-Rosa.

6 жыл бұрын

FastSugar For real? He did?

Yes! Happy New Year, George. Thanks. All valid criticisms, the game is pure unadulterated fan service and the story is in its own way but yet I can’t help but love MGS4 scars and all. It’s what makes it work. Playing as Old Snake returning to Shadow Moses really is something special when you first experienced it as a child in 98 and are now an adult yourself. That was certainly the point and it succeeded. As a boy and now a man who’s been estranged from his father for most of his life, the final scene with Big Boss and Old Snake is one of the most significant emotional touchstones in gaming for me personally. In a series about tactical espionage action full of intrigue, super soldiers, meta narratives, geopolitics, and anti nuclearism, this is the most human moment to be had. I’ll always love it. “I've never thought of you... As a son. But I've always respected you as a soldier. And as a man.”

I loved MGS4

theres no way this video is almost 3 years old I remember seeing it in my notifications like a few months ago

All I'm saying is that nobody had a problem rationalizing Big Boss's descent from a charismatic James Bond-type into a nuclear-powered warlord. But then it's a big problem when his support team collaborates to create a united world which ultimately gets out of hand and devolves into a decades-long proxy war with said warlord and his legacy after they have a falling out over a difference in the interpretation of The Boss's will. I think a lot of people see "The Patriots" and read "the villains of MGS." But that's not really true, is it? The Patriot AI in MGS2 and 4 certainly are villains, but the war economy that the AI installs is not the future that Zero or his colleagues desired. They aren't moustache-twirling cartoon villains. They simply paved the road to hell with good intentions. Zero created the Patriot AI to keep his work alive when the Patriots themselves were gone. In the absence of any authority, the AI grew without control; it went rogue. The S3 Plan and the war economy are the result of a system of algorithms boiling down real life into something that a program can interpret and control. Ultimately, who created the Patriot AI, or what their intentions were, is irrelevant. The AI leaves those intentions behind as it chases its ideal world of a programmable reality. Anyway, the thing I love most about MGS4 is how thoroughly and unrelentingly it wraps its main theme into every aspect of the game: death. The death of MGS. The Psyche gauge and stress percentage gamifies the difficulties of old age. The game's color palette, while at first resembling MGS4's contemporaries, more appropriately evokes the feeling of a sunset. The fanservice, the mashed-together references and motifs, it's not unlike having your life flash before your eyes in your last moments. But when you get to revisit Shadow Moses, it's dead. Cold. You can't go back, why did you think you could? Snake's mission in MGS4 is the same as Kojima's: finish what he started all those years ago. Snake's too old, Kojima's too tired. But it's their duty to see the mission through. And so Solid Snake's final mission is (or should have been) the end of Metal Gear. MGS4 is, in my eyes, the most personal MG in the series, and a game truly unlike any other because of that.

@Pwntard

6 жыл бұрын

Beautifully written, bravo!

@r_eh290

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly! That's why I feel the game works... I think that the statement I agree with most in George's analysis is "There was not a game like this, and there never will be a game like this again." MGS4 is a worthy (chronological) ending to the series. It is crazy, it is messy...but it is a kind of controlled chaos that, though somewhat imperfect (like all of the games, honestly), wraps up a legend in the world of gaming in a fitting (and overall fairly excellent) manner. Say what you will about IGN, but their description for MGS4's review is spot on: "A legendary hero gets a legendary sendoff"... See, I think that some people associate quality with perfection. I don't think George expects this (I think he is reasonable, and smart-liking the game is a matter of opinion at the end of the day), but I see people getting hung up over the game's level of "perfection" often... Fanboys are the only ones who call things "perfect" and none of these games are perfect. NO game is perfect, and no one should expect a perfect product, only a quality one; human beings make games, and Kojima and his team are certainly... interesting... people :)

@FronkZappa

6 жыл бұрын

I have reservations about the game but you perfectly summed up everything it is I love about it, particularly the aspect of death and it's importance to the story as well as the fact that the Patriots are not simply static villains but, rather, meant to tie into the overarching theme of genes/memes and how we pass on our legacy. The legacy of The Boss became so distorted over time, and really it was through Raiden's arc and Old Snake's acceptance of his fate in MGS4 that we see the heroic aspect of this concept, living for something you truly believe in. Solidus Snake once believed in something, but his vision became tainted - being impotent and unable to pass on his genes, he became consumed with the desire simply to pass on his image, to be only product of Les Infant Terribles to surpass their unwitting doppelganger Big Boss. If I had to pick a theme of the game, I'd say that's it. Big Boss never truly learned to live for his own ideals - his image was so molded by his mentor that he served only as a proxy to legitimize the Patriots' goals and desires. Solid Snake started on a similar path, but his heroism was balanced out by his growing cynicism and his understanding that he'd been a pawn, opting from MGS2 to truly take his own path and, in MGS4, accept and come to terms with who he'd been for so long... "Just an old killer"

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

The difference between Big Boss and the likes of Para-Medic is that the former had a far greater emotional and psychological attachment to The Boss, so it's obvious something like the (Admittedly retarded) ending of Peace Walker would greatly affect him to the point of becoming a power-hungry warmonger. The same cannot be said about Para-Medic, who was basically nothing more than an intern for the duration of the mission; there's no reason for her to be so influenced by The Boss or Operation: Snake Eater as a whole that she became the next Dr. Mengle. That's why MGS4 sucks in that regard.

@the_echoYT

6 жыл бұрын

The important thing to remember as well is that none of these characters have a heel-turn. We're talking decades of character growth which unfortunately even now exists only off-screen. The Dr. Clark that resurrected Gray Fox as a cyborg ninja is *36 years* removed from the Para-Medic who told Naked Snake about old movies during Operation Snake Eater. There isn't one point in any of these characters lives where they suddenly become someone else. It's a gradual shift based on their personal beliefs, experiences, and the ever-shifting sociopolitical landscape around them.

God damn old snake is thicc

He coulda said "Foxdie? NOT I!"

@Roler42

3 жыл бұрын

An even closer translation would have been "Fox... Die! ...DENIED!"

@adamfrisk956

3 жыл бұрын

@@Roler42 Sit down!

This may all be true, but damn...I still love this game!

I think otocon said that the little metal gear is the one who delivers snake the ammo.

@thiccboss4780

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qXmJ1rqBYcbcm8o.html does everybody Drebin attends have a MK2 ? how does the ammo get in the MK2 if it has a range limit?

Best new year's eve upload ever!!

@watchvids7802

6 жыл бұрын

yaaasss

@GRNexusTeam

6 жыл бұрын

Cake?!?!!!

@NinjaCakeAssassin

6 жыл бұрын

χαχαχαχαχα,βλέπετε superbunnyhop ρε αλήτες;;

@wehad4319

6 жыл бұрын

Cake, ti kaneis edo re?

@ACRaptor17

6 жыл бұрын

CAKE ? CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE !

Okay maybe I'm just a sappy fuck, but Meryl and Johnny kicking ass and taking names while professing their love for each other is pretty much one of my favorite Metal Gear sequences.

Personally, I've always thought of MGS4 as Kojima's way of warning fans to be careful what they wish for. He had no intention of diving back into that proverbial pool, but he was pestered, hounded, ridiculed, and ultimately had death threats leveled at him. Mad genius that he is, this was Kojima's version of throwing his hands up, exasperated, and saying "Fine, you want it, you got it. But you WILL NOT enjoy it." The fan base took the lore too seriously; took everything too seriously. Hideo Kojima gave the fans what they thought they wanted, and he was put through the wringer for it, just as he knew he would be. As he's said, after MGS2, he was done. I think they only reason he made 3 with such passion, was that he believed in it. It was a story that he wanted to tell, told the way he wanted to tell it. 4 never occurred to him until he'd finally had enough and figured out a way to both satisfy (we thought) the fans, and also to force them to leave him the hell alone.

@maybemablemaples2144

3 жыл бұрын

Not at me wanting to print out this comment on a shirt and wear it to my grave. He hated it and STILL gave us quality memes and setpieces. Like will your fave ever?

@pepekovallin

2 жыл бұрын

The fact snake is a tired old man kinda says that, I've heard a KZreadr talking about MGS4 and he said something like "sometimes it's best if we do not know what happened with our heroes", and MGS 4 is basically it, snake is dying, the supporting cast of MGS3 became the villains that enslaved humanity, Raiden became a cyborg that doesn't care about his own life, everything, and everyone is so fucked up that you would think "man, I'd rather not see them like this"

@sasaider3711

2 жыл бұрын

So we will just ignore Peace Walker and pretend, that 2 and 3 are good but 4 isn't, because of "he wanted to tell the story"?

@boarpsimson8675

2 жыл бұрын

"Took the lore too seriously" why is this shit so common? I hear people say the same shit about Evangelion. Dude, if the plot takes itself seriously, I will too. There is no way mgs2 is meant to be light-hearted. You're meant to take every part of the patriots storyline seriously. I understand the fans are partially at fault, but definitely not for this.

@hypermonkeybird4945

2 жыл бұрын

@@boarpsimson8675 its not that people took the story of 2 too seriously its that they took the actual lore too seriously. 2 is a video game. it is a video game about being a video game. people take it too far and make theories like "was mgs2 all virtual reality" because of some misguided belief that the only way a video game can express ideas is through literal plot events. mgs4 is what happens if you take the most literal interpretation of mgs2 happening "in-universe" for a fictional video game universe and try to explore what happens afterwards when it was never about that and was about the message. the end of the game is literally raiden rejecting his role as a player character in a video game. "taking the lore too seriously" absolutely applies for mgs fans in regards to 2.

Welp I’ve been waiting years for this Worth it

@youknowwhoitis2564

6 жыл бұрын

"It's been 3000 years."

@Bluecho4

6 жыл бұрын

Kept you waiting, huh?

"After countless fan requests and countless unanswered questions, we've thrown together this mess that we're promising is our last final mission/ Kept ya waiting huh?" Big bonus points for the meta level description for this video.

"MGS4 is the least stealth dependent and easiest of them all." I actually found it to be the hardest for some unknown reason, with MGS1 being the easiest.

@Tom-lk1gg

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe because of the Soliton Radar? For me the easiest is MGSV TPP since you can mark the enemies position, especially if bring along DD which automatically mark most of the enemies position.

@Jeneric81

2 жыл бұрын

It was insanely hard for me as well, but I probably played it ”wrong” by trying to be supersneaky

"I'm sure that Kojima doesn't actually know how dumb this stuff sounds in English." Best description of the entirety of the MGS franchise.

The link to "learn how the sausage is made" is the same as "the hypest MGS gameplay".

The ending fight between Snake and Liquid Ocelot is pure fan service, but it could be one of my favorite parts of the whole series. I'd still put Big Boss standing over The Boss's grave in 3 over it, but the ending of 4 gives me the feels so bad.

@kenjikuroiwa99

6 жыл бұрын

Miles Williams Despite everything is so damn well executed that I can't help but loved it.

@mileswilliams4807

6 жыл бұрын

kentrix11 Same. My girl friend hadn't ever played or seen much of MGS before. She watched me playthrough all of them. I basically tried to speed run them to get to the story for her to watch. She started crying during that fight haha. She loves MGS now and she isn't a gamer.

@MountedDragoon

6 жыл бұрын

Dude, the graveyard scene in MGS4 made me cry for like two hours, lol.

@mileswilliams4807

6 жыл бұрын

Mounted Dragoon Yeah I love that scene also. Basically the whole game. It's got problems but I can't help but love it. Maybe I'm a fan boy. Oh well haha

@MountedDragoon

6 жыл бұрын

Same here, man. It was actually my favorite in the franchise until I rediscovered Sons of Liberty and actually understood its message.

Sometimes you gotta let a good thing die. It's the metaphysical dilemma most creators refuse to face but ultimately destroys their creation. Learn to let something die with dignity, people!

I always liked the in-game explanation that Snake has always known CQC but stopped using it after fighting Big Boss, until the soldiers started using shitty “cookie-cutter” CQC after files on Big Boss came out, and him reflexively responding with CQC. Also Mt. Snakemore is the peak of video games honestly.

I'm getting my Georges confused because there is a Lava Lamp on the table. Shout out to those who understand that reference.

@natthecat2004

6 жыл бұрын

The piled up beer cans doesn't help either.

Now this was the perfect way to end my 2017

@devinarato69420

3 жыл бұрын

Very perfect

Personally, I loved MGS4. For me, it hit all the emotional notes it intended to, the story (like Sons of Liberty) is becoming more relevant as time goes on, and the humor wasn't lacking (the fanservice WAS the humor). There are some awkward moments that I didn't like, and the gameplay is too easy, but I think overall it's a great game. I see your point of how much of a bloated mess it is, and how a lot of the word content could have been excised without any detriment to the story, but this game is better when taken as part of the package that is the franchise rather than a standalone entry.

@theorichardson9428

6 жыл бұрын

The first time I played ANY Metal Gear I played 1-4 and PW one after the other for about two weeks in the in-universe chronological order (I purchased the Legacy Collection for PS3 which made that incredibly easy), therefore having played these games as a "package" I loved this game. In addition to this the graveyard scene was a really powerful end to the series. This video is still excellent though.

@gokux75

6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say I loved 4 but I did enjoy it and don't hate it. 2 was my first MGS game, although I knew about the events of the first, and I loved the story of 2 and replayed the game so many times. I was also only 14 when I played 2 so I was too young to understand the ending as something that didn't need explaining so I was desperate to have answers.

@bryandacote8109

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you fully here. MGS4 has it's flaws, but I feel this review - which does make a lot of good points - comes off as more of a rant on how much he HATES the game. My introduction to the series actually wasn't through the gameplay - honestly I was intimidated by how much the characters went on about the detail and such of the gameplay, but I wanted to see the story so I watched the cutscenes of 1 - 4 (Peace Walker wasn't even a thing yet) starting with MGS3, then 1, 2 and finally 4 back to back to back. I love the story to MGS4. I do roll my eyes now upon revisit to the long explanations about the lore (for example; Big Mama/Eva's explanation) but it still has so much heart. Yeah the memorable moments in these are fan-servicy as hell, but that's the point and appeal. SomecallmeJohnny and TheGamingBritShow do a good job in their reviews of MGS4 at both criticizing the game but also praising it. The game's story is the ultimate wrap up to the series's over-all story with a bitter-sweet tone. Gameplay wise. most certainly the easiest in the series but I don't really mind that. It can be annoying to those who want a challenge, but not everyone wants a challenge. Some want to enjoy it. I do think it combines the gameplay of 1 - 3 into an awesome blend that really works. Probably the thing that makes the game too easy is Drebin's store since you don't need to worry about ammo or getting the right gun and such for the right situation.

@sashabelichov5365

5 жыл бұрын

I too love it. Besides MGS1, this is the other MGS I beat on European Extreme

@Grandmaster-Kush

5 жыл бұрын

I played MGS2 as a kid, then the years went and MGSV released, so I tought I would jump into the ol' Metal Gear saga, then I went back and played through all the MGS games, and I can say that I loved MGS4 having played it without the nostalgia googles

Actually there are pretty entertaining codecs, one of which shows how and why Snake knows CQC.

@tcrpgfan

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is the one where Otacon tries to remind snake to switch disks, only to remember they were now on Blu-Ray and didn't need separate disks.

Woah. It is finally here. Thank you George and happy new year.

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

So when's your next MLP SFM coming out, Maxy?

@MaxLebled

6 жыл бұрын

One3673241 you have the wrong Max, I'm afraid.

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think soooooooooooooooooo~

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

"I think it’s pretty easy to see what McIntosh is probably referring to. The game tells you that the angrier you are, the more violent the difficulty setting you choose, the more masculine you become. If you choose the least violent option, the game literally depicts the character as a baby. Avoiding violence is thus presented as not manly." LOL GamerGate won, get over it.

@MaxLebled

6 жыл бұрын

?????????

I wonder if this video is accidentally meta. George doesn't want to talk about MGS4 and Kojima didn't want to make it. I was expecting to have my perception of MGS4 changed or learn something new or be shocked I didn't think of something but basically I only saw stuff I've already thought of and someone telling me I'm wrong for thinking Chapter 3 sucks especially on repeat playthroughs because I cannot make Mr.Whistler move faster. Is this as dissatisfying a conclusion as MGS4 on purpose? Also I hope he'll cover PW or PO even though he probably doesn't want to either.

@Tamacat388

6 жыл бұрын

GuyOnAChair ​​ George has kinda dismissed any MGS game after 3. And given his commentary on 4 I don't really care to see what he had to say about PW or MPO. These kinds of videos should be reserved for games he enjoys, whenever he talks about things he doesn't like I always find them far less entertaining and far less analytical.

33:11 Why is there a Sonic 06 box your desk? Should we be worried?

mgs4 was my favorite idk. I think it speaks volumes considering our wars today. Plus the B&B's are some of the best antagonists the series has seen! Love it!

Why is the same person asking all the questions in the classroom... Teacher's Pet?

@hadayimosi

6 жыл бұрын

He arrived at class and gifted the teacher with an Apple _iPhone_

In MGS2 Liquid wanted to _control_ the Patriots while in MGS4 he just wanted them out of the way so he could control the Guns of the Patriots program for his own benefit. I suppose, for Snake and friends, the fact that Liquid accomplishes _half_ of his goals is mutually beneficial, after that all they had to do was make sure he didn't finish the _rest_ of his goals. Either way this is the way _I_ always interpreted the story, hilariously confusing as it is, I may play through it again just to be sure. MGS4 isn't one of the best games of all time but it will _always_ hold a special place in my heart for personal reasons.

@Requiemrexx

6 жыл бұрын

VelociFaptor I was thinking the same thing. "Wait a second, isn't George missing the picture here? I remember liquid trying to control that single SOP memory core to establish military dominance over the world. And didn't he want to continue Big Boss' legacy of warmongering - just without the AI?"

@kpascua23

6 жыл бұрын

VelociFaptor a

@MountedDragoon

6 жыл бұрын

That's not how I saw it at all. After a whole series of Ocelot triple-crossing people over and over, it turns out he's not as much of a bad guy as we thought. Big Boss split from the Patriots, and Ocelot followed. So the events of MGS1, 2, and 4 were orchestrated by Ocelot in order to destroy the Patriots. And the only way he could do that was by appearing to be the big bad of the series so that the Patriots would see Ocelot as a bigger threat than Snake and Snake would attempt to stop him, which ended the Patriots at the same time.

I'm in near total agreement with pretty much everything in this video, but one thing I wanted to point out is that I don't view Naomi's suicide as purely fan service. Sure, that's an undeniable element of it, but if you look at her character, she clearly has reservations about the work she's done. There could very well be a strong element of guilt playing into her choice there. Not everyone has Snake's will to fight through the pain. Otherwise, great video. I thoroughly enjoy your analyses of this series.

@johnarbuckle4481

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with your statement completely. After all, service means make happier, and I'm happy agreeing with you :)

@annedrieck7316

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, naomi commit suicide? Why?

@TheKrowkaBoo

2 жыл бұрын

Because she felt guilty for what she and her researches did to Snake,

Like any other mgs, you can ignore a lot of the flaws while exploring the game mechanics. You can also feel the effort that went into the game, making mediocre mgs more fun than a lot of good games.

Please make Professor George a returning character. Hell, please make "Academic Assistance with Professor George" a high tier Patreon reward.

As if 2017 wasn’t divisive enough, now, here Professor George presents his controversial course: Metal Gear Solid 4: a dissertation off the rails.

I remember when the first couple of trailers came out for MGS4. It seemed to imply you would be deep in warzones with very little resources or ammo and you would have to work through it all like a puzzle. I was excited for that. Then the game came out and you has unlimited resources and a guy named Drebin unlocking everything.

I remember playing MGS1 way back on PS1, never got far into it. Years later I played MGS4 and I wholesomely enjoyed it. It was the last game that made me cry. It held no fan service over me, but yet I enjoyed ever last bit of the 8 hour cut scenes.

19:19 Um... why is there a copy of Sonic 06 on that desk? Is that a subtle jab on how stupid and inconsistent the story of MGS4 is... because if it is... I love you George. :)

@Jose-se9pu

6 жыл бұрын

Both games are just nonsensical fan-service.

@nessesaryschoolthing

6 жыл бұрын

The main difference between these two games is that if you skipped all the cut-scenes, MGS4 would still be a fairly descent game while '06 is a barely playable annoyance.

@nessesaryschoolthing

6 жыл бұрын

The whole plot between Sonic and the human princess is fan service, at least in the sense of being like someones furry wish fulfillment fanfic. Also it tries to bank off of Sonic Adventure nostalgia with a lot of call backs to that.

I actually loved this game for being the stupid overly self indulgent ending to the series, there's so much stuff that makes me wanna drink bleach but then there's so much that makes me go "Oh Shit Son!", it's the Halloween H20 of the MGS Series

@Max-no1gl

6 жыл бұрын

You put into words what I found hard to describe. Thanks.

When Goerge keeps talking at the end and you're mad the credits showed up.

Evaluating MGS4 should be something that takes years to see it in an objective light. I think the timing of this video is perfect. I adore this fucking game to death though.

It's like watching Zeus return to Olympus.

While yes, 4 has is fair share of problems, I still love it.

@BillyandBoby

6 жыл бұрын

IleMaster thanks to mgs4 i finally know how people who like soap operas feel so it has that going for it

@tex8939

6 жыл бұрын

There is a difference in what you like vs what is good.

@Jose-se9pu

6 жыл бұрын

"fair"?

@highestsettings

6 жыл бұрын

A bad Metal Gear Solid game is still a great game to be fair. IRONwood has a point also, but MGS4 is still a fun game. Not nearly as good as the first 3, but still fun.

@tex8939

6 жыл бұрын

Good game, bad Metal Gear. Just like Fallout 4, it’s one of the shallowest and dull installment of the series.

Whenever I watch these MGS story videos I always keep thinking about them for hours later, and I rewatch a bunch of other stuff too

"Fox.....DIIIIEEE......I lie" would probably work for english to keep the same rhyme structure

It finally happened... The legend came back to life...

@Honsanmai

6 жыл бұрын

I can die in peace now

Paramedic is probably the one who makes the most sense to have changed, though. She has a conversation in 3 expressing a bizarre amount of interest in 1) Snake's genes and 2) cloning. Guess what happens? As for Naomi, she's basically a different character in this game and thoroughly terrible. Personal thoughts on 4: there's some great fanservice in it, but most of the "fanservice" is awful. I had a lot of fun with it as a game, oddly enough. The end.

@kasaioni7680

6 жыл бұрын

I mean, with Paramedic that's just intentional foreshadowing.

@theorichardson9428

6 жыл бұрын

Sigint ended up being the DARPA chief in MGS1 (becoming part of the military establishment) and Zero was already pretty much just part of the military establishment. It makes sense that the final gifts they give to humanity was a machine that perpetuates war.

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, one throw-away conversation that doesn't influence anything. Stop trying to rationalize idiotic writing to whine about a sexy non-existent woman dying.

@philreddiii2048

6 жыл бұрын

One3673241 He gave a solid point. Why are looking for people to argue with? I'm seeing you everywhere in these comments trying to tell people why their wrong.

@One3673241

6 жыл бұрын

He didn't, because one conversation does not a solid point make. It's thinking like this that makes these posters wrong.

Just sat down to watch this. So excited. I love all of your analysis of Metal Gear games, it is by far my favorite series to ever be made.

Simply put, MGS4 is when fans get exactly what they asked for when the creator wants to move on. Kinda like Dragon Ball Super.

@karrotakun3581

6 жыл бұрын

Very much like Super.

@RandomTwat

6 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure nobody asked for romance between Meryl and the diarrhea guy.

@evilnoey4873

6 жыл бұрын

Well.. mgs2 is kinda like GT, GT fans hate super. While super is superior to much of the overall series. Except the original dragon ball. Highlighting how much of a dick Goku really is.

@RandomTwat

6 жыл бұрын

Noel Montero It really isn't. MGS2 to Metal Gear is nothing like GT to Dragon Ball. GT lacked Akira Toriyama and also it had a very poor execution of an interesting idea. MGS2 succeeded, for Metal Gear standards of course. MGS4 is when the series went downhill story and dialogue wise mostly because an essential writer left after MGS3. Yes, there was some backlash from the fans on MGS2, but that was mostly due to Snake not being the main character this time around.

@evilnoey4873

6 жыл бұрын

Mgs2 is the outlier in the series. IMO mgs2 is when the stupid takes over. All of the video games after are trying to work around the stupid. Mgs 4 suffered by the chains, plot holes, water walking bisexual vampires, and all the nanomachines fuckery. The prequels telling of big boss were done so well because they did not have to account for the stupidity of raidens adventure. Even portable ops with no Kojima presenter better than 2. 2 is the standout. Love it or hate it. It should have not been an MGS game.

Thankyou so much for this wonderful gift!

Even if all guns were unusable people would more than likely go back to using swords and arrows.

My favorite moment that encapsulates this whole game is when Otacon says “time to change the disc... jk! Isn’t technology great?” as the game then proceeds to load the next segment of gameplay for 15 mins.

@frymastermeat

6 жыл бұрын

Was that your favorite moment that you totally thought at the time or just a joke from another KZread "critique" video?

@Crash-lm4zb

6 жыл бұрын

both

Lava lamp, Estus flask, Buddha statue.

@billystrife7049

6 жыл бұрын

Also Sonic '06, I think George has smoking some good shit.

Was watching the mgsV critique video and here you are uploading a mgs4 video 😍😍😍

Makes sense for the support team from MGS3 to be The Patriots. They were with Snake throughout the entire operation via coms, they witnessed everything, so it makes sense that it would have changed them, just like it changed Snake. Everyone directly inolved in that operation were changed in ways that impacted the entire world for the worse.

I've been watching your MGS series over the past week while I replay Phantom Pain. You make such well developed and thought out points that I can't help but respect. You're pretty good!

George also forgot to mention that series mainstay composer Norihiko Hibino left the franchise at this point, thus the in-game music is nowhere near as good as MGS2/3.

@Tamacat388

6 жыл бұрын

Hibino worked on this game. And he only worked on 2-4 and the spin-offs produced in that time. Not sure how much that counts as a mainstay composer. MGS never really had a "main composer" they change it up every few years it seems.

@Iroquois2688

6 жыл бұрын

He worked on ONE track in MGS4, under his GEM IMPACT company and which only appears in one cutscene. He single-handedly worked on the entirety of all in-game music of Ghost Babel, MGS2, The Document of MGS2, MGS3, the Snake Eater song, the cutscenes of TTS and supplied a few tracks for MPO.

@user-in6qr1jl6x

6 жыл бұрын

нечем музыка не хуже мгс 2,3.

Still my favorite ps3 game of all Time (next to Dark Souls). While I see all the things wrong with it, the moments like the Metal Gear Rex Part, the fist fight with Ocelot and the ending with Big Boss are my favorite moments in gaming history.

Fyi the Ending of this game made me shed man tears .. just as Mgs 3 did ..

When I finished MGS2 I went to watch your critical close up on it, and stopped when MGS4 got involved because I hadn't played it yet. Now that I finished 4 I started watching this, but stopped when V got involved because I haven't played it yet. Can't wait to finish V and come back to a new upload with spoilers for Metal Gear Survive

@mcsonicsimpson

4 жыл бұрын

Update: I finished V yesterday No survive spoilers in sight I'm not sure whether to be disappointed or not

@taylordull9516

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcsonicsimpson Survive ain't great. Once you're done with 5 you're pretty much good. Survive at least has the core of 5's gameplay but it's in service of nothing.

Four years later but worth the wait!!!!!

i never played any Metal Gear game... Why am I watching this?

@shinkumasta

6 жыл бұрын

You're likely watching because, despite the fact that you haven't played these games, you find something intriguing and fascinating about the way the material is presented and discussed. Because you can get a sense of the passion that SBH (and the other MGS fans that have commented) has for these games.

You know, I am somewhat surprised George did not go into more detail about the ending of MGS4 with Big Boss both in context of the moment AND afterwards in MGS5. (He somewhat mentions it in an off-hand context about how long it took to address it with the seven year gap.) He could further expand it as a post-mortem of the series after four centered around the ending and Big Boss himself. Other then that minor qualm, this video is everything I ever hoped to see. It makes me wonder if this is the finale to George's Metal Gear retrospectives as it seems fitting to end with the actual end of MGS. He did technically cover both titles, yet they don't have the same format as this series. Maybe in the future with more background information on MGSV and Peacewalker there can be a continuation called, "Critical Look: Everything After MGS4." After all, why are we here if not to suffer?

Unfortunate to hear that one of (or the main) translator of MGS2 had such a bad experience and viewed the plot and dialogue so harshly. Knowing now the legendary praise Mgs2 gets in the modern day for, well, everything relating to the word "postmodern" I wonder if her mind is changed at all about the value of the story? I still love it. Check out SuperBunnyhop's video on it, if you somehow haven't by now.

@samgreenblatt7074

2 жыл бұрын

Kaku has no business dumping on Kojima for his writing, at all. Have you SEEN her ideas for Katamari games?

I have not started watching this yet, but I appreciate the existence of this video VERY much so, only because it seems like the first 3 are the only ones that ever get discussed extensively, as well as maybe 5 just from the standpoint of what a weird husk of a game that is. I'm in no way implying that MGS4 is even as good as any of the original 3, but it's a SUPER interesting game as far as it's place in the series and gaming culture as a whole, there's literally nothing else like it.

Holy shit I just binged through your MG/S analysis videos after finding them yesterday and I was wondering where's MGS4? Then I click on the channel main page and there it is! Posted mere minutes ago! Such glorious luck.

I miss when George made videos like this 😔

This game is a lie!!! You never stop being an anime otaku!!

@FrankLoon

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you do. When you realise it's a generic, stale and hermetic art form. Just second place next to contemporary comic books. Not subversive or thought provoking. Just drivel.

@blackmantis1511

4 жыл бұрын

cinnabon suppository Except that he’s saying that about anime.

IT'S FINALLY HERE PAPA BLESS