Who's not afraid of blending amps, cabs and mics? 😇

@miserychannel666

11 ай бұрын

ME. I've been doing this forever.. ;) Last rig was 2 RK's ;) Currently running: SWITCHBONE V2 A - Lehle P-Split CLEAN - is always my trusty JC ROLAND 120 H + JC 160 B - Tube Screamer Ibanez - Lehle P-split GAIN - Mesa QUADpre with a decimator into Mesa Coliseum 300 amp + RK with a Mesa 5 band EQ and a decimator Dial in the tone on each amp individually, then run them simultaneously with independent volume pedals to blend. 2 Mesa half back 4x12's 1 Mesa armor plated OS 4x12 1 Diezel 2x12 FL 1 Mesa 2 x 12 recto 1 Mesa 1x12 Theile 200 w EVM Add in a 2notes .. CAB M for a direct signal with some Killer IR blends Pure Tonal Bliss Cheers, Amigo.

@thatguyinaband6341

11 ай бұрын

Gran Hechicero I think does this he is the bomb! you ever heard him!

@SQstudios_

11 ай бұрын

Ive always blended Marshalls and Mesa.. & by any means u use a TC mimic and reverb, it produces the sound of God

@kimseniorb

11 ай бұрын

amps yes - cabs no

@thatguyinaband6341

11 ай бұрын

@@SQstudios_ What I wanna hear!

Having John browne as a guitar player helps a fuck ton too lol...

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

That might be true! 😜 He’s great!

Thanks so much for making the video! Putting the course together was a labor of love and I appreciate you 😊

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

🤘🖤🍺

@cameronjohnsonaudio

11 ай бұрын

This was thoroughly enjoyable. Thank you. Purchased the course to get more insight. Lots of cool stuff in there. Took it upon myself to simulate the whole signal path “in the box”, using Reaper. Was certainly a brain exercise. 😂😂

Kinda wild that I've been doing something similar with JCM 800 and a 5150 (plug-ins anyway) and I accidentally got something pretty close to Bolt Thrower's Those Once Loyal tone. Really cool to see the pros doing something that I thought was just me goofing around with weird ideas.

Just getting that phase aligned is the biggest takeaway. I like that he uses Reaper. Pretty cool. I'm going to try and see how it visually holds up Logic. To anyone trying to get that 'sound' though..good luck, John Browne is a fucking beast of a player. This is a really cool approach, but It's his playing style and the riffs he writes that shines. Thanks for sharing this guys, especially with those of us who haven't yet drank the Kult Kool-aid. ;) 🤘

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

You’re welcome! And of course it’s always helpful to have a great sounding player!

@miserychannel666

11 ай бұрын

RE: phase alignment .. this works for me. Radial Switchbone V2 + Lehle P split ..

This was fun to watch, thanks. Them guys are Innovative masters

The blend sounds killer and the immediate response from the tube amps is something we need in the plugins too. 🙏

Amazing video ! Thanks you so much.

The band I work for always run two amps live. They both use duel recs and the second amp is a Marshall 1987x and a REVV 120. What a sound!

I’ve been using several amps for the past year in plug-in format. It’s really great when done with several IRs too

Heck yeah this is how I record guitars! I use a POWERED aby going into 2 amps, 2 cabs and usually ribbon and dynamic on each cab. (Different speakers of course) Love this approach do much.

One of the sickest guitars tones I've recently heard. I will purchase the course :)

This was really cool! Keep sharing awesome information like this, please!

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

We do this all the time! Best way to get more in depth content is to join Kohle Audio Kult! 😜

I read somewhere that Adam Jones from Tool would send his guitar signal out through 3 different amps & cabs simultaneously to get such huge guitar tones on his last couple records.

@pipespeeps5349

11 ай бұрын

He does that live mainly, in the studio he mixes all types of amps, sunn beta lead, diezel, marshalls, riviera

I love videos about Tone and especially when it involves john browne, Great Video well done!!!

You guys are the best!

Tue Madsen also used this kind of setup in mixing Meshuggah "The Violent Sleep Of Reason". Sounds great!

Great shirt!

Status Quo always had their guitars going into a Vox and a Marshall together in boxes off stage and used a third line an amp modeller.

Deadweald Audio! It’s great seeing the Golem. Great Gate!!! DAE also has 1 of the best ODs out there-the Duality DX

Combination of the Vintage 30s and the G12H Anniversary delivers a KILLER result! Which I do with my Marshall g12 vintages in 4:12 cab- 2x2 X pattern

Super Bock shirt! Nice! 🤘🏻

Mike hedges did this when recording the manic at preachers. He used 3 - clean, break up and dirty and combined them during mixing in various proportions

Ingenious! 😆🤘 Very refreshing to see real amps, cabs and mics being used in the traditional fashion. I think amp emulation plugins are excellent tools for writing and tracking demos, but when it comes down to the Final Take, plug in to the Real Deal! 🔥🔥 (That's how I do it anyway!) 🤪

Super Bock auf deine Videos. As much as I love a gnarly chainsaw, the dirty tree is hands down the best boost out there. Love to see it.

Everyone knows in their hearts that this is the way.

Very cool video. Golem #deadwealdaudio and Dirty Tree #peperspedals so cool to see them used with a great band.

Biamped bass is fantastic, parallel guitar sounds are yummy. More is usually better when it comes to amps

Oh man, beautiful shirt you have there!!🤘💀🤘 Prost🍻

I watched the documentary of Behemoth recording 'The Satanist' and they made a comment that you get some comb filtering recording two amps beside each other... but at that point it really doesn't matter because it just makes things sound more like you were actually standing in the room. Ever since that I just record multiple amps and cabs in my little room and I am pleased with the results.

That t-shirt is awesome. 🍺

You could skip the phase alignment issues in a couple of ways. You could take a line out from the effects send of each amp, mix them, then return to one of the amps. Both preamps playing through one power amp into one speaker. The other option is to record both amps into a pair of Torpedos, blend, then send to a third amp driving a speaker. (Or maybe just use a speaker IR.)

Nice!!!!!!

An observation for a while now is that John found a gold mine in Adam and utilizes every pan and stream and gets the best out of Adam! Respect to Adam!

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

They’re a good team for sure!

Btw, love your T-Shirt, Adam!

I use Reaper for quick scratch tracks and working out ideas, but I use Pro tools for all the heavy lifting on the final recordings. Also, Pro tools makes it's lightyears easier to send the mixing/mastering engineer if need be.

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

No engineer I’ve worked with actually wants PT sessions, chances are their routing system or plugins don’t match yours so they usually want wave files. So why work harder when you can use the daw that gets you results fastest?

Curious about Kohle Audio Kvlt.. do you have a course on the very basics of mixing and mastering on there that can help a bedroom musician like myself who mostly uses plugins and guitar pedals etc. without getting overwhelmed lol?

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

We have a mastering course with plugins only and we have quite a few “Mixing Rituals” where you can download multitracks, mix the song and watch the mixing tutorial of the original mixer. And there’s basic courses like “drum bus compression” or “EQing snares”. We’re constantly adding more content.

Make me feel like when meshuggah recorded the violent sleep of reason ahahah good stuff !

Super Bock is very nice! Sabor autêntico! Man Marshall + Boogie is my favourite combination! Sometimes L + R mesa and just a track in the center with less disto using a Marshall!

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I just spent a super(bock) week in Porto! 🤪

@ProjectVastness

11 ай бұрын

​@@KohleAudioKult and you spent it very well. Super Bock + Metal. Best combo 😁

DUUUUUDE!!! Portuguese Beer shirt! Awesome

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Just spent a week filming a mixing course in a studio in Porto!

@CarlosKTCosta

11 ай бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult makes sense, Super Bock is the Porto beer, if you were in Lisbon it would be Sagres 😂 Can’t wait to see what came out of that week.

Whoa, check that great distance micing.

I have a mesa oversized cab from 2003. I have 2 of the v30s from that cab I kept. I have 2 dv77s 2 k100s. What should I load this cab with and what position top and bottom of cab should I put them in. I play mainly metal music. 7 string and 6 string drop tuned. Thanks. Your channel is awesome

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I’d go for the DV77s.

@philtaylor7040

11 ай бұрын

So v30 and dv77 mixed together in a x pattern?

@chrishall5176

11 ай бұрын

When mixing speakers I prefer x pattern

Browne you beast!

"Tight enough for a submitting a demo,....if not for a record." -- lol,...I mean,...how much tighter can you get? Love this method - some work to set up but the results. The cheapo Behringer mixer in the signal path -- very interesting.

Very good theme.This combination used LINKIN PARK in METEORA FROM 2003 !🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🇪🇦

As I understood from Kohle, 2 distorted guitar amps from the same di usually make a phasy mess. Anyone knows if there was anything else needed to prevent this, besides making sure the mics are the same distance?

i used this method for a long time, but with vst 😂

Apart from the principle of "get things right on the way in, rather than fixing it in post" - What differences are there (if any) between moving the mic position to achieve phase alignment V's slipping the track by a few milliseconds?

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

You can’t slip the track when blending in analog.

@voiceovervandeen

11 ай бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Gotcha, thanks 👍

Jon Browne doesn't even need real amps, he made Pod XT sound extremely good.

why does it make sense getting phase right at the beginning? isnt it the same result to do it later in your daw?

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Not if you sum in analog like Adam!

0:35 I’ve heard of a band that already did that… was called the Beedles or so

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Many people have done that. It’s just pretty difficult in a modern high gain context without running into severe phase problems.

@7riXter

11 ай бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult 😅 would be interested in how to run different ampsims on the same di track at the same time… is it comparable to a real dual amp setup?

10:20 time alignment awesomeness

Can't I just put a delay on one track to get proper phase allignement? That's what I did in the past when working with multiple mics. That way I can concentrate on getting the sound I want from a microphone first without thinking about phase and without having to go back and forth between control room and recording room. Or is there a drawback of that compared to adjusting the distance of the mic to the speaker like he did?

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

You can’t do that in analog. There’s more to it that you don’t see in this video but getting it right at the source is always the best way

@MeyerzumMischen

11 ай бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Okay, I didn't think about the summing you're doing with the Behringer mixer before the compression. In that case, it makes complete sense to me because you can't change the microphones' relation to one another anymore after that. Do you do the summing because of the compressor or is there another reason? If there wasn't an analogue compressor in the signal chain and you do the summing in the DAW, one could probably delay it there, right? I'm not advocating against setting up your microphones properly and then "fixing it in post". I'm just wondering about the tradeoff between adjusting the distance of the mic for the correlation's sake and getting the sound out of a microphone that you have in mind (which might need a different distance to the speaker than you'd need for a better phase correlation). I don't want to question your method but rather question the way I've been doing it. 🙃

Was there any double tracking done here? If no, was the Mimiq pedal used?

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

Double tracking yes. But all the mics were folded down into a single “take”

@progrocker84

11 ай бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer thanks for your response. Any reason why you didn't use the Mimiq pedal before or after the split to save time with double tracking? Kohler had a great video which suggests Mimiq may be the way to go from now on.

Dirty Tree FTW 😺

I’d like to see you do a video on recording real amps at low volumes. Or ISO cabs! (Which I’m sure is gonna sound like crap too lol)

It a great idea to have a good beer and listen to metal

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I fully agree!

I've got lost when he goes out from the beringer mixer to the compressors and into reaper because later on, we can see that he is recording 5 tracks (DI+4mics). Anyone can clarify?

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

There’s a lot of the course not in this video. The last part uses mic splitters so you can compare with files that are included in the course.

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

And it’s 6 channels at the end. 4 mics, DI, blended tone

A band that recorded using real amps... it feels weird to call that the outlier... 🤣😊

@louderthangod

11 ай бұрын

It’s so crazy that people have stopped doing this. When you’re playing the electric guitar you’re playing the amp just as much. Besides the tone of an amp, they’re also respond differently to your picking dynamics, how heavily you mute a string with your palm, how the strings sustain and ring out together. You lose all of that when re-amping.

@dirtyandnasty9011

11 ай бұрын

@@louderthangod And playing with feedback, which also makes the performance so much more "alive" and "rock n roll". I can't remember so many examples in post 2000 era except Tom Warrior Gabriel Fisher.

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I also still believe that playing the actual, final tone helps! But that might be just me.

@zeenuf00

11 ай бұрын

Right? Considering most 'metal' these days sounds like EDM.

@Mikey__R

11 ай бұрын

You can record your DI at different points in the signal chain. Most people put the DI first, before even the boost pedal, but you could even put it in the amps effects loop. You'll capture a lot of the interaction between the guitar and the amp, whilst giving yourself a bit of an insurance policy against a bad cab tone or dodgy mic placement. If you've got a Torpedo, you can also record the output of the power amp as well.

he described 4 mics, on 2 amps, i assume for each take, but his overdub was recording onto 6 tracks. so what was getting recorded?

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

The overdubs were using a mic splitter so we could get each channel separately for educational purposes, so we could show the sound of each separate mic. When we were recording the single, we didn’t do that and had nothing except a “mixed” track and a DI per side

@RenanBEreanSound

11 ай бұрын

@@adamsteelproducer Hi Adam. After you correct the phases and everything is ready, do you set all 4 mics to center to make all mono in the behringer? thank you so much

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

@@RenanBEreanSoundyes they’re all mono on the mixer, although if I wanted to I could pan them left and right to separate the two amps out- depends what you want your final result to be

@RenanBEreanSound

11 ай бұрын

@@adamsteelproducerThanks Adam! Amazing work you guys do

I didn't know Matt Hardy was so good at guitar

@BrentFarvaFortin

11 ай бұрын

DELETE!

@dirtyandnasty9011

11 ай бұрын

😂

Super Bock? I see you've been to Portugal.

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Just filmed a nice mixing course for Kohle Audio Kult in Porto.

@andresilvasophisma

11 ай бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult Nice!

"The most sexy and evil recording, mixing and mastering academy" Specially sexy... hahaha you're totally right, brotha! Cheers!

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

🤘🖤

I see Monuments I click "like" in trust 😂

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Haha! Good choice

Alice in Chains blended guitar amps on Dirt. Really cool idea

Super Bock rules..

This guy taught me reaper 😅😅

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

Yes, that’s him!

I think when guitarists say they don't use compressors they mean on the pedal boeard. Amost all guitars are compressed when mixing. At least they should.

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I’m actually one of the guys that never compress guitars in post! 🤩

@HenritheHorse

11 ай бұрын

Enough volume and fuzz is my compression!

@w1zard0f0h

11 ай бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult You don't compress the final mix? If i'm doing a less distorted guitar I'll add a bus compressor to the guitars. I will use less if it's a distorted guitar. But I always add a compressor to the entire song onced mixed. I guess whatever works and your music sounds great as is so I guess that works for you.

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I was talking about compressing guitars!

@w1zard0f0h

11 ай бұрын

@@HenritheHorse Hey if it works do it I always say. haaa

Adam needed a dyna mount for this job

@adamsteelproducer

11 ай бұрын

I’ve got one! Not got three though…

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

I got two! I win! 😂

Especially for today...

I have DI boxes (of course!) but in 20 years of recording bands in my parisian studio I think that I've almost never used them! My god! If a band is paying to come to a studio, just make it sound fantastic! Why mess around? Just record the best amp in the best way possible. Honestly, it takes a long time to dial in a great sound using VSTs and it never excites the musicians and drives them wild so why bother?

@KohleAudioKult

11 ай бұрын

DI boxes can be useful even when you track with real amps. Either as a backup or as a blend. Either way, it’s smart to record a DI track!

@LouisLinggandtheBombs

11 ай бұрын

@@KohleAudioKult Good advice! Although it's absolutely incredible how damn rarely the DI tracks ever get used for anything. The DI tracks can help with guitar editing just as a visual aid because the transients stick out clearer. Apart from that, they just collect dust in the sessions!

Since when did “producers and guitar players not being good enough to get the sound right” become a thing that we just accepted? I 100% get beginners not being able to get it right so they send a di to the mix engineer to unfuck their tone. That’s fair. But this video speaks to a much larger group of people than that. Where they want the mix engineer to make production decisions. It is beyond frustrating to deal with as a mix engineer.

@tobins6800

11 ай бұрын

As part of the process. If all 3 are separate, player, producer, engineer, making sure the recorded tone is what the producer will accept, and what the player has in their head. As a player, it is really difficult coming to terms with the difference between in the room tone, recording tone, and live tone. As an engineer, capturing that special sound is difficult enough, but, making the correct adjustments for frequency responses. Having the mixer as part of the recording process makes things easier as far as getting it right at the source.

Im ao tired of amp plugins 😔

It's too bad the guitars ended up being pretty muddy in the mix.

Instructions unclear lost my tone in the dryer.

It's all nice and dandy, but the engineer has listed a gear worth of close to like half a million dollars. Nobody has that kind of stuff and money laying around at home. Plus most of these are quite niche things, which are hard to come by. Even, if you were a millionaire, obtaining stuff like this would be a challenge. So it is more for educational and trivia purposes. You are not going to recreate something like this at home for sure. The reason why I love plugins is that they are very cheap compared to conventional gear. I love amps, cabinets and all the actual hardware and owned many of those. But even just a decent, mid level amp is around a thousand EUR/USD and that is not hi-end category at all. While a good plugin is 10 times less and it still sounds good enough.

lol the behringer mixer. $12000 of equipment to get the best possible tone…..into an $80 mixer.

Dammit! Is it really that hard to reproduce it in the digital domain? It sounds kinda superior to actual double tracking to my ears, at least for the role of a main rhythm guitar track. Actual double tracking still can play a role for accents and stuff. Hell, I want to do this.

Oh my God, they ACTUALLY got their sounds going in? No freakin' way. 😅😅😅😅😅

3:42 Then amp 1 has the dagadaga daga da dagadada thing. And amp 2 has the ROH RWOH RWOH RWOH - Couldn't have said it better myself 🤌