"We are about to launch an all-out attack on your BBEG." -Sincerely, The Zombies.

@loopy825gaming5

2 ай бұрын

Fantastic reference, deserves more likes

@SuperIsaiah

2 ай бұрын

Then you look in horror as the BBEG casts Grow Plants

@joaquinmaimone2211

Ай бұрын

The BBEG is a druid

@trdrudedude6099

Ай бұрын

I am dying

Honestly I don’t know why the dm doesn’t like this. I’d kill for my players to start thinking about and coming up with cool builds like this

@morecurlsmoregurls2607

4 ай бұрын

Probably mostly because by the end, anything he throws at the party will just be torn to bloody pulp by a horde of endless smelly zombies!

@Hamburgerhuman

4 ай бұрын

10000 dragons just appeared

@Duskillion

4 ай бұрын

@@morecurlsmoregurls2607Unfortunately, the enemy is Cthulhu.

@marcosdheleno

4 ай бұрын

dude literaly handed to him his next BBEG. why the hell would he be pissed?

@reddragon7762

4 ай бұрын

​Nah, the zombie are npcs still. Too many for player control and combat too long. So over course of 3 years campaign, u managed to get 2 thoussand zombies without legal incidents, and you unleash them on the dragon. Dragon use its breath and whipes hundreds in one atk. Could also note that dragons have spells too. Be creative, dragon uses dispell...as a 8th lvl spell to make it an aoe. Or, it uses its breath into the opening of the demi plane... ​@@morecurlsmoregurls2607

Fireball deals with the zombies afterwards

@gdragonlord749

4 ай бұрын

Meteor Swarm... Twinned Maximize magic.

@alitaher003

4 ай бұрын

@@gdragonlord749 You can't twin AoE spells.

@Legendary_Kobold

4 ай бұрын

great part is you don't need to, zombies summoned by finger of death are permanently under your command iirc

@blackbannanas

4 ай бұрын

To be more specific, you can’t twin anything but single target abilities. So no magic missile, no upgraded eldritch blast

@m_the_third

4 ай бұрын

Just eat the zombie

Everyone is commenting about loss of control forgets that Finger of Death puts the zombie PERMANENTLY under your control.

@DarkSyster

4 ай бұрын

Unless you roll a nat 1.

@Sip_Dhit

4 ай бұрын

​@@DarkSysterwell no, RAW it just goes under your command. I mean as a DM I probably would do that but still

@zaccoop6727

4 ай бұрын

but... when it hits the demi-plane, you lose connection to it... your magic making it a zombie, ends...

@GuiSmith

3 ай бұрын

@@zaccoop6727If I remember my weave lore correctly, this sort of spell doesn’t actively connect to you and thus only would mean your control of it is cut off (at least temporarily) while in the demiplane. The Weave (the structure of magic) would be focused on the zombie itself, not connected to you directly. The lack of control might mean the zombies could fight each other if they got bored or too crowded and start gnawing at each other. Although, every time you send another zombie over, you might be able to briefly reestablish the connection to them long enough to send a command not to. Zombies being what they are, and that’s kind of dumb, they might just obey and keep off each other.

@zaccoop6727

3 ай бұрын

@@GuiSmithmaybe... but I'd say it is pushing it... a lot... it is all on the DM... one can let it go thinking it would be neat, and maybe a strategy against a monster in a cave, but again they would be at the mercy of speed, and their own weight if you want to pile them into a 30x30 room.

Ok but this one might actually be a good idea

@marcosdheleno

4 ай бұрын

SPECIALLY for a BBEG. imagine, after a very easy battle, the BBEG turns to the party and says: so, this is the time for you to give up and beg for my forgiviness. when they laugh and say no, he just opens a gate, and dozens of well armored zombies invade the area. and whenever they kill one, another enter its place, in an never ending swarm of undead. as the party trudges along, they can hear the BBEG says. dont worry, those are the disposeable ones, as he brings out more and more undeads.

@dragonova279

4 ай бұрын

Wizard necromancy class, you have the raise dead spell that can enhance the undead however after 24 hours you lose control. After which the spell needs to be recast to regain control over up to 3 of the undead in one spell. So as an elf you could just instead have a 30 min light activity and sleep for 3 hours 30 min for a long rest. Elf ability to short long rest. And that will regain all your spell slots and Demi plane. Also all of the undead have your proficiency bonus added to their Hp and can boost their attack by a small bit. So yeah. That could get seriously messy. And seeing as you can do double the amount a normal human can. It would get quite Interesting

@Atherax

4 ай бұрын

It's a 7th level and 8th level spell, over the course of the campaign is a stretch, tho would be a fun down time activity for a late level necromancer

@richardbusta8899

4 ай бұрын

Its a good idea but you would be punished after that surprise. You would never be able to use necro on the same dm with out each boss be a giant minion horde ready for yours.

@dragonova279

4 ай бұрын

@@richardbusta8899 Exactly Thats why you dont reveal the entire army. Just a quarter of it

"Restraint Level 0" "Restraint Level what???"

@bokoblin980

4 ай бұрын

Restraint??

@majoras_swag2

4 ай бұрын

@@bokoblin980 Ooooh wrong quote. But basically Alucard from Hellsing Ultimate's Restraint Level 0.

@bokoblin980

4 ай бұрын

@@majoras_swag2 what?

@majoras_swag2

4 ай бұрын

@@bokoblin980 Search it up for yourself.

@crabruler1590

4 ай бұрын

“Throughout the Heaven and the Earth, I alone am The Necromancer One.”

Yup. Its possible. I actually made this build for a high level campaign. (Started at level 10, went to level 20.) He was Argonne, the lizardfolk necromancer. He was a hyper utilitarian, and found the humans wasting of corpses disgusting. So he kept them as his tools in a demi-plane. (Took a while to get, but dm let me have access to it sooner than i possibly should have). He would open it and send his horde onto the enemies. Actually was really useful when it came to the end of the campaign. There was a massive battle between 2 armies. One we were sided with, and the Kings-men. Me and our shadow sorcerer slipped behind enemy lines and I unleashed a swarm of about 200 uncontrolled undead that attacked everything in sight, and a few more powerful undead I called my lieutenants. A few wights and my crown jewel: a white dracolich. The army was massive and had some high level casters, so it didn't take them out right away. But it was a huge problem for them, and helped win us victory.

@Mangoloonikus

4 ай бұрын

Bro was sung jin-woo

@KitKatHexe

4 ай бұрын

My old tiefling Necromancer, Inakhmet, would've been horrified by your character. Animating unintelligent undead is not only immoral, it has no class. Intelligent undead are the much better choice. Really, Inakhmet had a different view on the morality of life and death. The only thing he saw as truly immoral was the loss of sapience. Death meant a temporary loss of sapience. Raising a mindless undead or destroying an intelligent undead meant a near permanent loss of sapience. For him, the truest moral virtue was to preserve consciousness by any means necessary.

@rocksnrolls

4 ай бұрын

@@KitKatHexe oh, thats the ideal choice. But Argonne was just creating undead as he believed it was a better alternative to them rotting under the ground. He did create some more powerful, intelligent undead for more specific uses and had an adult white dracolich under his command.

@tinnitusintensifies

4 ай бұрын

“argonne” “lizardfolk” okkkk budy

@rocksnrolls

4 ай бұрын

@@tinnitusintensifies eh?

finger of death and demiplane are both extremely high level you can achieve similar results by using animate dead and a portable hole, though that way you won't have control over the zombies you can also improve this build by upcasting create undead using 8th level slot to create permanent wights, who are intelligent enough to operate independently of you and can control up to 12 permanent zombies themselves

My guy. You have lvl 7 spells. You are more dangerous than a thousand zombies

@thebtdmaster

4 ай бұрын

He means literal millions of zombies stored in a single place

@thebtdmaster

4 ай бұрын

For later use

@sidress1

4 ай бұрын

@thebtdmaster at one zombie a day? Even if he tried to do the wight trick to slaughter entire villages to speed up time, that's literally millions of undead created from him. He has to kill enough people for this to be viable, and they can't ALL work for the bbeg. So that means to get thousands of zombies, you need to slaughter towns one guy per day. You misunderstand me. Im not saying zombies are useless. Im saying You turn yourself into the BBEG just for a get out of jail free card."

@frantisekvrana3902

4 ай бұрын

@@sidress1 A LV20 Sorcerer can do 8 zombies/day. 2 7th level spell slots, 1 8th level, 1 9th level. Use Twinned Spell metamagic to double your targets.

@sidress1

4 ай бұрын

@frantisekvrana3902 in order to collect zombies. A level 20 sorcerer can wish for an army of zombies. Or summon a planetar or fiend to fight the enemy. Any enemy you fight at that level is immune to nonmagical damage or can destroy huge swaths of zombies at a time. Its way more simple to just teleport away. And if you face a foe that blocks teleportion, that also blocks demiplane. And again, in order to make this effective, you will need litterally thousands of living targets to kill. In order to harvest that many zombies, you will need to murder a lot of innocents (unless the BBEG has and is willing to throw away armies of minions for no reason.

Honestly I'd allow it even if there was a technicality that made it not possible. Seems like a cool battle and it's not like he can do it again when the big bad turns out to be just second in command to the actual big bad.

@liambrasier6590

4 ай бұрын

That's such an overused and annoying trope,please don't tell me you do that?

@E.G.1005

4 ай бұрын

​@@liambrasier6590 I mean that's literally how it works. Everyone answers to someone and there is always a bigger fish. Just cause you killed the ancient dragon that was acting as the kingpin of crime in the kingdom doesn't mean he wasn't a henchman for a fallen god sewing chaos across the plane. It just means you didn't have time to play the full campaign.

@liambrasier6590

4 ай бұрын

@@E.G.1005 that's a MASSIVE over simplification and justification of a bad trope. I'm pretty sure content enjoyers have made it very clear the trope of, "the master in the shadows" is boring and over used. If you want another bbeg for a follow up campaign, make another one. The 2 don't have to be related, and every campaign doesn't have to end with the death of some minor/major evil/good/chaotic gods. A campaign totally could end properly and satisfactorily with the death of a crime kingpin, or the dethroning of an empire, or even just the evisceration of a horde of monsters. Not every campaign has to be so grandiose, and personally, some of my favorite campaigns have been "small" ones where we didn't do shit on a divine level, but instead local. If you feel like killing godly beings is the only way to end a campaign entertainingly, there's thousands of other power trip games you could play. Hundreds of which are also tabletop (like Warhammer for instance). Granted I could also just choose not to play your campaign,and you could choose not to play mine. But discussion is fun, isn't it?

@TheSejiMan

4 ай бұрын

@@liambrasier6590 From what I can see, in some cases tropes become tropes for a reason, its often because people do like them. I do understand the overused aspect for sure, but on the flip, people do genuinely like tried and true concepts. I think there is a place for everything. even the overused, and knowing when to mix things in is the true test of skill. That and, we often try to avoid the basic tropes in favor of something new, only to just fall into another trope, or make something unusual for the sake of unusual, which can also be kinda meh.

@liambrasier6590

4 ай бұрын

@@TheSejiMan don't get me wrong, I understand that most of them are tropes for a good reason. My point is that some of them have been getting overused to such an extent that they aren't good anymore. Not all tropes are good either. They are literally only called tropes because they're such a common literacy tool/tools that everyone KNOWS about them. They aren't always made tropes because they're good, is basically what I'm saying. The master in the shadows trope was really good for the first like 100+ times it was played, but at this point it's literally just sequel bait. Plus, if you take out the master in the same campaign/story he's introduced in (which happens more often than it should because players are deviously smart assholes), it just feels cheap. Better to have just let the first dude be the bbeg instead of "blindsiding" (because it's normally pretty obvious) the players/viewers with the "real" bbeg.

Domain Expansion: Thriller Night

WOW! I as a DM had to go re-read these spells. and i'll be real. I was looking for ANY REASON to say this wouldn't work. and there isn't one. say for one. 30x30x30 DOES equal 27,000. So there s "Potential" to house up to that many skeletons. HOWEVER after they started stacking about 1 or 2 aditional layers, i'd rule their wieght would crush the ones beneath it.... That being said. 900-1800 zombies is FUCKING REDICULOUS!! xD Like you could do what ever you wanted with that. Also these are both REALY high level spells. so. when/IF you survive to that level.. I'd say you earned the right to a Zombie horde! xD

@cvernon5256

4 ай бұрын

I agree. The only issue is that it'd take forever and a single fireball or other AoE spell could easily remove them from the battlefield. Assuming you catch them on up and up while they're releasing everything, that is. You only get two casts of Finger of Death power day, so you would literally be the villain of the scenario to pull this off. Going with your proposed 27k, it would take almost thirty seven years of daily effort to fill this ossuary.

@lvlinty

4 ай бұрын

Yeah.. I mean there are better ways to kill a dragon/whatever if you have that level of spell casting and that amount of time.

@chaoticdetectivepeach

4 ай бұрын

Plus I think you have to do it 1 at a time or so right? So it's not like an instant win meat grinder for the rest of the game, it's a 1 use "oh f*ck" button that'd make for a really cool plot point, and it's planned so far in advance that it's fine if they do it imho

@Trauma284

4 ай бұрын

Danse macabre. Unless said big bad had no minions. Be like the wizard in my party and store bodies in thier bag of holding.

@ruga-ventoj

4 ай бұрын

Same thing here, it's a very possible loop. However your is a bit off. The demiplane is 30ftx30ftx30ft. That is 27000 ft cubed but unless the zombies are 1x1x1 ft cube, they are not reaching that number. Unless you are specifically aiming to kill beings that size, you are more likely to make zombies around 5.5 ft tall. Rounding up to 6ft for 1 layer. You can make 5 layers for your zombie warehouse. Also making a safe estimate of squeezing 4 average humanoid Zombie in a 5 ft space to stand, you can fit 144 in 1 layer. Theoretically you can then fit 720 zombies in there, but logistically between making platforms and mechanics to move between layers, it's going to be much less than 720. Taking a safe estimate of using half the space for the elevator, you can safely count on 360 average zombies to be ready to unleash. No where near your count but still alot. Enough to raid a city or hold off a minon army so you can duel the BBEG.

"When hope is lost, undo this lock, and send me forth on a moonlit walk." "Release restraint level: 0." *Ready to Die & Party Party Party by Andrew W.K. starts playing* I know this has been done already but nobody has posted the full quote

"I am the bird of Hermes, eating my wings to keep me tame." This is unironically an AMAZING idea if you were to play Alucard from Hellsing in a campaign, or a character inspired by him. Though you'd have to find some way of making everyone you kill a zombie or other form of undead, to then store in this demiplane. And be a vampire of course. Or better yet- Have this be a trump card...for the BBEG. Use it in the 2nd or 3rd act and have your party realize...they were not the main character- Then go an arc where they have to rebuild from the ashes of what seemed to be the apocalypse.

Two notes; one the demiplane is only a 30x30 so the number of zombies would be a few hundred not thousands. Two, considering you have limited space you want to get higher level undead, such as the wight which can be made with the sixth level spell create undead. And the wights can create zombies too. The real evil use for this is a necromancer unleashing it behind enemy lines or on an unsuspecting village

@rigbyparr8326

4 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure you can have multiple demiplanes

@blakeetter280

4 ай бұрын

@@rigbyparr8326 the spell says you can open a portal to either the last demiplane you opened or to an existing demiplane belonging to another creature. so it may be up to interpretation by the DM rules as written seems to say that you can only have one without help. or rather you can make a new one but wont be able to access the previous one without help? its not clear so youd have to ask your DM.

@D0ppleganger36

4 ай бұрын

i feel like even 50 zombies would still be a hassle for most things to deal with

@blakeetter280

4 ай бұрын

@@D0ppleganger36 I mean a decent sized village would be able to put together about few dozen people with bows probably. And the wizard himself is a much bigger threat realistically than even a decent number of zombies

@voodoominerman

4 ай бұрын

It's 30x30x30, so if you packed them a bit more efficiently, say 4 zombies to a 5 foot cube, that's still 864 zombies. Make it gnomes instead, and you can probably double that.

only problem is demiplane specifically only creates a 30x30 room thats also 30 feet tall. so you wouldnt have a ton of space to work with. but theyre zombies so you could probably pack em pretty tight

@fordprefect5967

4 ай бұрын

Not thousands upon thousands but quite a bit, I was looking for a comment like this.

@frantisekvrana3902

4 ай бұрын

The zombies don't have to fight. A zombie will probably fit into a 1.5x3x6ft box, if it doesn't do anything. You could fit 20*10*5=1000 such boxes into a Demiplane. Since you will need a way for the zombies to access these coffins, let's say 800 coffins + 20 standing zombies at the end

@Hightoprunner

3 ай бұрын

Is there any shrinking spells because if there are then raise the zombies then shrink them then put them into the demiplane and on you summon them undo the shrinking spell

@frantisekvrana3902

3 ай бұрын

@@Hightoprunner Enlarge/Reduce, but sadly, it is temporary. You could single out Halflings and Gnomes though. They are already Small.

@michaelsorensen7567

Ай бұрын

Other comments pointed out multiple demiplanes. One suggested bags of holding in the demiplane. Long and short of it is, unless DM just straight up doesn't want you to do it (at which point DM should say so) there are tons of work arounds

“I have an army”

@benjaminoechsli1941

4 ай бұрын

"And we have a-" *_"BRAINS."_*

@backbackback9845

4 ай бұрын

​@@benjaminoechsli1941arise

My friend once did something similar, but stored them in a bag of holding. He died when a spell wore off and he fell while at low health, the bag popped open, and then my character died to the uncontrollable zombies

@lloydlineske2642

3 ай бұрын

Bag of holding has a weight limit. Probably can't hold that many zombies. Skeletons are probably much better. But a hoard of either just from a Bag of Holding is out of the question.

@alcoholicwater

3 ай бұрын

If your friend wants to make the bag of holding a weapon should use small items like poisons max damage low weight cost

Necromancy 1000

Going for that “with this treasure I summon” build

Ends up doing this for twenty real world years the Dnd worlds universe destroyer appears Nah don’t worry I got this opens Demi plane

Sure. You just need an access to 7 and 8 lvl spells, and enough time to actually gather number of zombies that matter. If you are a wizard playing from level one and survived long enough to get here I don't see a problem. And then you release your hord of zombies... and party cleric casts Destroy Undead

Its actually a good idea to talk these ideas through with your DM before or after a session, it allows them to eventually build up a threat that might very well require a zombie apocalypse to resolve it

Imagine you’re stressing about a TPK and your player hits you with a “Sad Man’s Parade”.

imagine being mid monologue and then you get hit with a zombie horde

If the player can do this, the dm can too. Best thing is you don't even need to do finger of death, just use animate dead cause it only specifies that you loose controll after 24 hours, and aslong as you can avoid them theres no problem:)

@SpectralKnight

4 ай бұрын

Throw in some ghouls, ghasts and mummies for extra flavor as well

@user-xh9pu2wj6b

4 ай бұрын

Imagine finally finding the BBEG Lich's hideout and coming to him with 900 zombies and the dude just goes: "Ah, you remind me of my younger self, so ambitious... you spent the last 3 years of your life assembling your army. I had the last 3 centuries!"

@snek5742

4 ай бұрын

@@user-xh9pu2wj6b it was the best thing when we had 30 years down time after defeating the bbeg my necromancer just did this and uhh kinda became the new bbeg while i played a skeleton who escaped his command and became an adventurer to defeat him

@PeregrineBF

4 ай бұрын

That's basically how I DM. I'll adjust how much I min/max the encounters to match the players, trying to get a challenge that won't *quite* kill them.

@tripslord9029

4 ай бұрын

Lose* loose is the opposite of tight

I did this in a pathfinder campaign with a couple type 4 bag of holding and skeletons. Tossed weapons and armor in as well (keeping the max weight in mind) and when the campaign had a mass combat pop up bam a large skeleton army was instantly brought up and sent to the front lines. The enemy was shaken as the command units were all of the bosses faced that far in the campaign, complete with their own original equipment so their old allies knew

Bro’s domain expansion is pretty much planning on pulling a Geto from JJK, but with zombies instead of curses. I absolutely love this

And so the villain arc of this group begins

Imagine you got a wizard with his wall against his back and he just says “Domain expansion: unsightly horde.”

imagine you’re fighting this random guy and all of a sudden he yells “RELEASE THE NECROMANCER’S HORDE” and obliterates you with their giant army of undead

I mean, beyond the fact that this combo only works from Lv15 onwards, it's absolutely fair. I could totally see this being useful for a BBEG, opening their demiplane and unleashing their undead horde as a desperate last resort.

I'd counter with "Alright, but you have to keep track of each individual zombie's health yourself, you cant make them one unit"

Im using this if i ever get into a dnd campaign and not telling anyone why im not useing the zombies

Son: Mom, I want sung jinwoo Mom: we have sung junwoo at home Sung in woo at home:

"Alucard, go for a walk"

Two solutions: 1. All but one zombie deanimate (is that even a word? XD) 2. The caster has to be a necromancer and has to do a willpower check depending on the amount of undead, to keep them under his control. If he fails, than they become feral and attack everything in sight

@rory8182

4 ай бұрын

oh they wouldn't be under control, this is similar to the BDSM Wight thing

@JadedMinx

4 ай бұрын

Losing control and starting zombie apocalypse doesn't sound bad

@marcosdheleno

4 ай бұрын

or better yet, they succeed, and win using this strategy. but then become a target for a powerfull lich, who does the same strategy, but with high end undeads, monstrosities and other powerfull constructs.

@canadiangopnik7007

4 ай бұрын

except the spell doesn't have those limits written into it, finger of death is a high level spell, why devalue it like this when you can just give your bad guys aoe attacks?

@Ceratisa

4 ай бұрын

Finger of Death puts your zombie under your perm control

Can you take all zombies out of Demi-plane in one turn? I don't play DnD but I feel like that would be where the balance is.

@Sephiroth517

4 ай бұрын

"The door is large enough to allow Medium creatures to pass through unhindered. When opened, the door leads to a demiplane that appears to be an empty room 30 feet in each dimension" A zombie only has a 20ft movement speed described as "a jerky, uneven gait", so those at the back of the room couldn't even reach the door if the room was empty... And, well, zombie aren't known for their bright intellect nor for their skillful coordination... they would hinder each other more than anything else... like a crowd trying to enter a store on black friday... so arguably only a few would indeed exit the demi-plane each turn...

@cvernon5256

4 ай бұрын

Short answer: No, not feasibly. The math answer: Demiplane creates a 30 x 30 x 30 room. That has 27000 cubic feet of space. The average human male takes up approximately 2.19 ft³ of space. Assuming you can fill that whole space, you've got marginally more than 12,328 bodies. Given a 30 foot movement speed for the zombies (they will not be ejected out via pressure for this) and that they can hear the controller, you'd end up with ~226 zombies leaving if all they did was move. Let's say that it's groups of zombies and cram five into each spot (thus a zombie "swarm"), you'd still only get 1131 zombies out in one turn. Does that make sense for six seconds of time? No, so pressure probably would shunt some of these misbegotten minions out. But they might also be zombie spray rather than actual zombies as you spray them like Cheese Whiz across the battlefield. To fully empty your interdimensional can of Zombie Whiz, it'd take almost eleven turns of combat. Or one minute six seconds of continuous Undead disembarkation to get them all out. Happy travels, adventurer!

@hunterk679

4 ай бұрын

@@cvernon5256 this was amazing analysis. Despite my not understanding DnD I fully comprehend the kind of force this would become. Thank you.

The DM is there to watch all their blood, sweat and tears go to waste as the players come up with some impossibly obscure way to ruin the current challenge/puzzle

I need a solo leveling reference here, dude is forced to say “arise” in the most dead ass serious and badass tone posible when he summons the army

The big bad just stares in disbelief as 10,000 zombies are sent their way

The most hype or most terrifying thing is when the dm says “well now it is”

Better idea, use shadows instead of zombies. They fit in a inch large space so you can store even more in the demi plane, are stronger and more dangerous, and If you ever need to get more, just throw a couple in a village or town and wait a couple hours. In no time your 5 will become an unstoppable hoard of thousands of shadows ready to feed their desire for hunger and death.

@CaseyShontz

4 ай бұрын

How do you get shadows tho? Can you get those by Finger of Death?

@sentineloforder

4 ай бұрын

@@CaseyShontz No but at 14th level you get command undead which forces them to make a charisma save or else be under your control (since hes casting a level 7 and 8 spell lets say their 15 just to be safe) and since shadows have a low charisma of 8 they'll have quite the challenge (If we use the luck feat as well or use the ability in daylight the odds become even lower than before). Sure you might have a shadow break control every now and then but the majority will still be under your control which is what you want.

The idea of a necromancer storing a bunch of zombies for emergency use and in time of need unleashing their legions upon the world ending monster or an evil tyrant army sounds really cool... I gonna add this to my settings lore real quick

I’m definitely using this in my campaign where one group of NPC adventurers outlevels the party by 10. They’re going to bring about the apocalypse and the party has to fix it.

Player: Would that be even possible? DM: Are you against being the BBG?

tldr Room: 30x30 (No height because zombies don't stack well) Human size: ~1.5x~1 or 600 zombies per room Zombie's move speed is 20 so you can have at least 20 zombies leave per round (Idk how to optimize that geometry). Door stays open for 1 hour. Have fun. Assuming we don't compress the zombies into meat cubes and expect them to still work we can't really use the upper 25 feet for storage. The average dimensions of a human, sans height, in feet would be 1.3x0.7, but let's round up to 1.5x1 for easier math and having a small gap between each zombie. The room is 30x30 so you could fit 30 zombies in each row and 20 in each column. This would allow you to have 600 zombies allocated to each demiplane, for the sake of easier math I'm going to assume you are not opening 2 doors at once because demiplane is not concentration for some reason. The portal stays open for 1 hour but can presumably only allow 1 medium sized creature through at a time. Idk how to find the optimal way to get the zombies out but since they have a move of 20 you could position the door to be in front of one of the rows and assuming optimal initiative get at least 20 zombies through the door per round.

Shirt is 100% ON POINT here, his infinite bag of Zombies can get 1% better every day, forever. 😂😂

this would be a good betrayal event XD like you just cackle evilly and be like, "I've waited all this time and now I'll take over the world!" *cues letting all the saved up zombies out

That one guy that wasn't dead when you sent him to the demiplane

This requires determination and planning for one single contingency. This is a perfect plan for the right character. I totally would agree.

You are ready to sleep, but you suddenly get a bad feeling. When you gocus, you feel a crack in your Demi plane, something is trying to break out...

That's a surprise tool that can help us later

Dang you cut out the best part of what the dm said “that’s so exercise, I love it”

Like the army of zombies aren't going to be pissed at you and make you their number one target.

"Yeah I guess" and it was at this moment, he knew, he f**ked up.

this is just the plot of solo leveling

Most of the time, these ideas are fun ideas for an ultimate big baddy to do, especially if the party has power-players in it. An enemy that can give them a taste of their own medicine.

1% better every day is a good shert

"when you open the demiplane, you see that the zombies you left have all eaten eachother, and the few zombies left have rotten off the bone."

“You and what army?” “Hold on, let me grab them”

Better idea, be reborn as a necromancer. Bam thats it, you are now twice as effective as any other necromancer

I ran a campaign that specifically utilized something extremely similar to this. The BBE lich would kill 2-3 a day and did this over 40 years and created an army to invade with.

I had an idea like this recently. A player that plans to betray thr party. During the entire game they’re constantly raising dead and storing them in a demi-plane, and when the time comes, they unleash their undead horde against a city of all the people the party has killed

"Rules as written? Yes. At my table? I'll see you in Hell first."

I already see the fireball being castet right when the zombies come in a small room

DM: don’t you think unleashing an apocalypse is a good idea just to kill one enemy Player: yes

This was actually one of my plan for my Wizard. I originally wanted him to be a necromancer and do this but we started out low level so it wasn’t feasible.

“Is it possible? yes…..am I going to allow it? Absolutely not”

And that's how you invent a new spell "Vurtiue the Zombie Lord's Vengeful Summons" or whatever

I absolutely love the idea. I love the forward thinking. The only thing I would inform my player is that they May not have any control over those zombies so it would just be a horde depending on what issue we are playing

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Finger of Death specifies that the zombie is permanently under your control, so it wouldn't be an issue.

"You don't even have an army" "Oh, really?" *summons a horde of zombies*

a player noting every interesting humanoid they kill with finger of death for a full campaign and then unleashing them all at once as zombies at the end of the campaign sounds. very cool and also probably not too broken

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I love the bits, but this one is basically "can I play a necromancer properly?"

Imagine the bbeg saying,'You and what army?' And then this dude unleashes thousands of zombies.

“Congratulations, the big bads dead but the world must now contend with a zombie apocalypse.

In one of my old campaigns, we had a player do exactly this, but on a large number of half dragons

Create Demiplane is a wizards best spell. Who doesn't love your own personal, magical, hyper controlled fortress that requires insane levels of investigation by the other guy to learn about?

"sure, but when you do you're tracking the initiatives"

Honestly, I'd say go for it, if the player wants to spend the time to build it up to unleash in one grand move, all the power to him

Turning "You and what army" into a challenge.

Demiplane creates a 30x30 room. Definitely not enough space for thousands of zombies

Demiplane is only a 30ft³ room with a door large enough for one creature to fit through at a time. Assuming a zombie takes up a 2x1ft area you could comfortably fit 450 zombies. I know some of you will be quick to mention the vertical space (bringing the total to 2,250), but at the point it would be difficult for the zombies to maneuver out through a standard door. The other major sticking point is that it takes an hour to conjure the door. So, middle of the fight will not be possible. This would really only be suitable for storming the castle type scenarios. Or infiltrate a crack team inside, bar the door for an hour, and have the horde begin attacking from the inside.

As a person who does not play dnd, i now just want a campaign where sesion 0 is all the members being killed by finger of death and raised as zombies, and the adventure centers around the killer as a big bad, a goal to properly ressurect the party, and some magical artifact that gives the party their conciousness

as soon as he said finger of death i knew where this was going lol

The funny part is, I did this to my players was fun to watch them panic and then realize oh wait, it’s just endless zombies

I feel like getting thousands of Zombies would take a long-ass time. I mean, it’s a 7th level spell, not an easily usable cantrip. You could speed it up with the Twinned Spell Metamagic, letting you hit an extra target, but even then it’ll take a while.

“When hope is gone, undo this lock, and set me forth on a moonlit walk.. release restrain level 0.”

That is a whole freaking Pandora's box that it would be a phenomenally bad idea to open...

Gives new meaning to 1000 fingers of death.

DM is just upset he didn’t think of it first.

I do something similar with my knowledge cleric. I keep casting glyph of warding inside my bag of holding. Eventually I’ll have a 1 time sui bomb of sacred flames and all the emergency healing in the world.

The following campaign could be a detective noir series trying to find the serial killer that leaves no bodies to find. Spooky horror esque stuff that could be fun to roleplay XD

Alexander’s reality marble, the necromancer edition

"it is possible, but not just for you. So ill let you decide if its gonna exist in this world"

Great against some enemies, awful if you're fighting a flying dragon who coughs at your zombies.

"Possible and a fun image to think about? Yes Allowed? No"

You can perform the diet version of this at level 10. Be a dijin warlock and store bodies in your lamp. Use dance macabre on the bodies, then eject them from your lamp.

I just noticed that he just flips the angle to do these