Do you recognize the concepts Jacob explains in any other melodies? Which are your favorites?

@richardhunt809

Жыл бұрын

I’m reminded of Phantom of the Opera. The big interval jump from “The phaaaaantom” and then the run down of the smaller intervals “…of the opera is here”.

@bananapower2259

Жыл бұрын

despacito

@endodouble6691

Жыл бұрын

Yeah in... every melody like ever?

@justgivemeanumber8215

Жыл бұрын

@@endodouble6691 oh yeah?, name one!

@endodouble6691

Жыл бұрын

@@justgivemeanumber8215 Das Wandern by Schubert starts with a melodic leap of a perfect fourth like he was talking about. Happy?

I’m a firm believer that great melodies aren’t ever composed. They’re instead discovered. And once discovered it’s impossible to imagine the world without them. It’s like revealing a part of the very fabric of reality.

@peterbondy

Жыл бұрын

Exactly right imo also.

@RadiationSound

Жыл бұрын

god damn it, you are right !

@dancingrasta3535

Жыл бұрын

Dang that’s deep and true

@markoneill1768

11 ай бұрын

Agree

@dardhadard837

11 ай бұрын

Goosebumps reading that

11:13 I love how Jacob "uhms" in key - just brilliant

@bartgertsen6181

Жыл бұрын

Uhm in F

@theEduEnthusiast

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same!

@Kahor2

Жыл бұрын

I might be wrong, but to me that uhm in key is a very powerful skill demonstration - even if it is unconscious. He often refers to his approach to music as speaking another language. What is in the uhm is like what an interpreter does when she interprets simultaneously: listens, understands, translates and speaks in another language all at the same time. The uhm vocalized in key certainly shows how his consciousness immersed in the musical 'layer' of he's inner processes translates to vocal language - while he's analytically explaining a theory at the same time (!!!). Seeing a live MRI feed of his left and right brain doing this excercise would be quite a spectacle as these functions normally stem from different halves of the brain. I'm sure his background had built and strenghtened quite many unusual neural pathways - highways in his case. That uhm is ways past hats off.

@GizzyDillespee

Жыл бұрын

All of you probably harmonize with external sounds, but it's so natural you don't notice it in yourselves

@3Prayt

Жыл бұрын

Damn you're right

That melody you sang was very reminiscent of Canon in D.

@JoelJohnson24

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, exactly. Also like Maroon 5's song Melodies

@manikandanchembai3716

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, one of my favourites by Maroon 5, Melodies.

@AR-qn9mq

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was gonna say that his friend was listening to Maroon 5. Who copied Canon in D

@akshaykhanna9802

Жыл бұрын

@@JoelJohnson24 Maroon 5’s ‘Memories’, not melodies haha. And it feels like Maroon 5 almost completely borrowed the first line from Canon in D, perhaps subconsciously. It takes nothing away from the song though, the rest of which is unique and comes together beautifully melodically.

@classicfilms8071

Жыл бұрын

and he says "I just improvised that" amazing

What a brilliant lesson. Imagining somebody else sing a melody to you is genius. What a powerful concept.

@nuberiffic

Жыл бұрын

Is it? It's still just you imagining a melody though

@TheRealJackfrog

Жыл бұрын

@@nuberiffic Reality is just a hallucination in your brain so who cares what's actually going on. It's brilliant because it provides a seed for your melody.

@nuberiffic

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealJackfrog no. Put down the bong dude.

@simp108

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealJackfrog a hallucination is a very specific biological reaction. our subjective experience of reality is contained within our minds, but its not a hallucination

@TrueShadowMR

Жыл бұрын

@@nuberiffic In the end you're right it is just you imagining a melody. But this method distracts you from focusing on perfecting the melody too much. By imagining that someone else sings you a melody, you tend to come up with a melody that radiates a similar feeling you feel when you see that person. It's a great way to put emotion into a melody instead of analytically putting it together.

This guy's pretty good. I think he could win a grammy someday if he works hard enough

@rileysdad1923

Жыл бұрын

I laughed. Good one Zion.

@NikoGustafson

Жыл бұрын

maybe even 5...

@restorationconcrete

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he could record songs in his bedroom … and win a Grammy!

@IsaacGodson_

Жыл бұрын

He had won Grammies already...not just one

@indie-music-lab9960

Жыл бұрын

I think he already has

This is quite the acquisition for skillshare. Now I am seriously considering joining.

12 minutes that felt like 10 seconds. His way of talking, of explaining complex concepts in the easiest way possible through how they make you feel, not how they look, he’s a brilliant musician but more than that, a soulful human being.

@superblondeDotOrg

8 ай бұрын

Yet he explained Nothing.

Okay, that "listen to someone else sing a melody in your head first" tip was actually something I had never heard before. And it seems SUPER useful. Especially for someone so "harmony first", like me.

@rodschmidt8952

Жыл бұрын

Now imagine somebody showing you a new rocket design or something

@flgangcage6313

Жыл бұрын

@@rodschmidt8952 why are people like you so hilarious... 😂😂 had me crying laughing because if you put it that way... reality kicks in super hard 😭 Building a new rocket is still extremely hard 🤷🏾‍♂️

@GizzyDillespee

Жыл бұрын

It's a lot more intuitive to pull a melody out of your ass than to pull a rocket design out. That's probably for the best, too.

@superblondeDotOrg

8 ай бұрын

Sure, super useful, if you are schizophrenic thus hear other people's voices in your head.

@yopawpaw7408

Ай бұрын

​@@GizzyDillespeeyeah because why would I have a rocket up my ass? Actually let me not kink shame 😂😂😂

11:13 I like how that 'um' is on pitch

@kreeperkiller4423

Жыл бұрын

um in F Major :D

@simonn8312

Жыл бұрын

I love this part of the video

@satwik938

Жыл бұрын

Haha true

The elusive thing about melody is that you can analyse 100 melodies that most people consider good. Then write a new melody that has all the characteristics of the 100 good ones and there is no guarantee that it will be good. It will probably be OK but not necessarily as good as the ones you analysed. There is something elusive that makes a melody stand out that is hard to quantify. That's possibly why Jacob with all his skills still considers this hard and is still fascinated by this aspect of music.

@jazznutz

Жыл бұрын

Smartest comment I've read this whole thread, especially about the elusiveness and magic of melody that keeps music fascinating for Jacob.

@eugenemitchell9231

11 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more. elusiveness is good, keeps music on it's toes.

@Iseomagicpromotion

11 ай бұрын

@@eugenemitchell9231 _its_ toes, even

@wanderer.antonio

11 ай бұрын

That's because this is a spiritual world with spiritual underpinnings. What makes a melody sound good has to do with the human archetypal nature. Seeing as how all of humanity is connected, and genetically linked, what happens during one time period has the power to both affect the future and past. In essence; current melodies are a result of survivorship bias. They are only good because they are remembered as such. Shift a melody into a propaganda piece and it can forever alter its 'meaningful' nature. A song that is about violence sounds good to a violent world. In a world of peace, sweet, peaceful sounds are more welcoming. This is why humanity enjoys different genres yet still find some melodies universally "good'. We may all be scattered and distorted in our ways (musical genres) but we all share the same goal, the drive to become one with God again. We seek those melodies which evoke a sense of God within us. That remind us of our everlasting, omnipotent, omniscient selves. The self from. where we came and from where we end up. The alpha and the omega. The melody sounds good because you make it so. The perceived beauty is a reflection of your current spiritual state.

@Pulse2AM

9 ай бұрын

I think has integral to the music in a way that feels right to the song or piece, the direction you want it to move in. That said each thing you add moves the song in a direction so it becomes a matter of taste, is it moving in the direction you want and what feels good to you hopefully others too.

the way he is speaking in this video tells me he is getting wiser.

@nathanmaxwell1195

Жыл бұрын

kinda scary when you think of how much further he might get

@bee14.

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanmaxwell1195 compared to when

@DanielBarberMusic

Ай бұрын

Since I’ve known about him (6-8 years?!?), he has always struck me as quite down to earth and wise. This has often between amazing to me given his age and all his extraordinary gifts.

My own personal trick to make a nice melody when I'm "out of ideas" is: First, make something "good" Second, make something "bad" You'll realise that the "bad" version is what you were holding from playing on the good version, and is what actually makes your song interesting and brings new ideas. But if you only try to make it bad, you'll start making random things and everything will sound ok. So it's nice to keep the quality in check and your brain working, but also allowing randomness. I don't know, it's kind of a balance

@DaveChips

Жыл бұрын

All of my good ideas are bad ideas went in the right direction 😅

@flavio5046

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveChips Exactly! Haha

@jamesc5801

Жыл бұрын

Digital artist here, this thought process definitely translates across disciplines. Part of why I love listening to Jacob

I'm probably not the only one but I could listen to this guy creating melodies for hours

@wesboundmusic

Жыл бұрын

Anything he talks about I could listen for hours for a daily dose of feelgood nutrition! He's _that_ sympathico and also competent to my ears. (I'm speaking about _music_, not personal or "weird" affection or such, o.k....? 😜 )

The Bob Ross vibe is undeniable.

Its easy to forget that singing is such an intuitive writing tool.

Norah Jones's "Don't know why" actually starts with a major 7th. :)

Right from the start I knew he's going to mention Somewhere Over The Rainbow. That song is timeless

This guy just made me connect more to "over the rainbow" 🌈....such a satisfying feeling.

I think it isn't difficult to learn these concepts because they are in videos like this one. However, it seems like nobody teaches that melody also needs to follow the harmony. Once you know how non-chord tones work, it's like your melody and harmony are finally able to communicate with each other and you can adjust the melody to fit the harmony or the other way around. It's not the only thing that makes a melody sound good, but it's one of those things that pitifully don't appear in melody tutorials on KZread. Edit: I'm sorry if it wasn't clear enough, but you can make the melody first if you want to, the order doesn't matter. Try to do it the way that works best for you. This is more about them agreeing with each other.

@jukka2979

Жыл бұрын

What are non-chord tones?

@Veridi

Жыл бұрын

@@jukka2979 I think it's useful to look it up rather than putting a whole theory lesson into a comment. There's also a free online book called Open Music Theory that you could use.

@rix0r222

Жыл бұрын

I think it's usually best to make the harmony fit and support the melody, but sometimes you have worked out a harmony you like first and need to do it the other way around.

@yvancluet8146

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe the harmony should follow the melody ? If you have the melody first, the harmony is a blank canvas for you to make it match your melody

@AtomizedSound

Жыл бұрын

They usually go hand in hand but music is an open landscape for your creativity. You can have all melody and no harmony and conversely vice versa although more uncommon and somewhat interwoven if all harmony that functions as melodic at they point. Melody is the building blocks as he states.

Amazing how he visualizes the sound and manages to express it vividly, at such a young age had mastered a lot, good on u, old chap.

@darkskinwhite

Жыл бұрын

I feel like that's something you would expect more from a young brain than an older one.

@khiljinagor8976

Жыл бұрын

@@darkskinwhite experience plays a big part in mastering stuff so I was surprised at his level of knowledge for someone so young

@Chris-px2gf

Жыл бұрын

@@khiljinagor8976 true, but it doesn't really apply if the guy is a genius, he's created many new variations of music theory that you wouldn't expect anyone to do in their lifetime, no matter the experience.

At 11:10 his "um" is a perfectly tuned F, he just can't help it

at 9:30 the melody he hums sounds like Canon in D.

@GuidoHaverkort

Жыл бұрын

First thing i thought of, too

@MaxOstro

Жыл бұрын

More like Canon in F

@sql64

Жыл бұрын

I thought of memories by maroon 5

@TheSeeking2know

Жыл бұрын

@@sql64 Right. It borrows its melody from "Canon".

@seangodwon

Жыл бұрын

It’s because the way he writes melody is wrong, by imagining someone sing a melody to you only led to some melody you heard before!

Hey all. Hey Jacob!!! Just to be clear... the lesson was about what you play on your instrument when searching for melodies.. and what you sing if you allow yourself to hear something.. and.. and here's the thing.. how different those two things can be. Why? Because when you play your instrument you can go into automatic pilot and your fingers do the walking and your creative ear stops working properly. So you can easily move into the digital pattern domain and not even realise it. So, take a breath and just listen and allow something to come to you. Even if the notes arn't quite right yet, you'll get some kind of natural organic rhythm that uses space and held notes as well as movement. There are many technical aspects also to writing melody, but this one has a natural, intuitive path, and works well alongside the more obvious methods of melodic curve, structure, repetition, etc etc. Stay safe and well in these troubled times.

I like how his thinking noise just accidentally lined up with the key 11:13

Wow!!! Impressive what a teacher you've got !!!

9:07 Yes. Great technique. Story, imagery, setting, feeling, then witness it and repeat it.

I've taught intervals a lot to students but never the way Jacob just taught me. What an incredible way of telling a story and imparting knowledge.

This is good. Not just theory, but following your gut.

One thing about melodies I learned at piano classes (actually about improvisation) is that the best ones are the singable ones. That's why it's better to create a melody by singing it or imagining someone doing it. Sometimes it has to breath, it has physical limitations when it comes to intervals and range. That's why we often see skilled performers singing while they're improvising.

@BS38114

10 ай бұрын

Yes. But i still have problems to find the notes i "sing". And when i found the right note, i have forgotten what i have sung... ;-) Maybe i should record?

@superblondeDotOrg

8 ай бұрын

Giant Steps, not.

Speaking of intervals, somebody you loved by Lewis capaldi is one hell of an interval that sticks yiruma river flows in you

Interesting to see that the last melody took inspiration from "Canon in D (Pachelbel's Canon)" with the form of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" 🔥🔥💯💯

8:01 is the most important part of this lesson. If can only take one thing away from this video, this should be it.

He truly loves music. He knows his purpose. ♥️

I love how he's a professional but still teaches with basic nursery rhymes

@moo639

Ай бұрын

"Somewhere Over the Rainbow" is a Golden Age standard 32-bar AABA song, not a nursery rhyme.

Perfect way to recognize the intervals with popular song examples. You helped me a lot. Thank you. 👌

Excellent demonstration of how melody works. I like how you chose good models and also created something from scratch. The enthusiasm you have for music is inspirational. Keep doing what you do !!

The story of his lesson had the best bit of insight. Thank you for that. It was very helpful to hear.

So thankful I found your channel. You are wonderful. Many thanks for sharing with us.

Thank you! Absolutely beautiful lesson and explanation! Cheers!

I am just starting to learn how to play piano. I love your videos because hearing how you explain these concepts in songs is so beautiful. It really makes me look at music in such a new light.

I think, it is not an good friend I am listen to. I am carefully listening to my Inner Child. It's us together: My Inner Child, my Inner Adult - and other parts of me. Having good Conversations, mostly about Love. The universal love. My music is very simple. I am not a professional Musician. But, in the moment I play "my" music, (for me) the whole world lies in it. 🌈

This is the most beautiful piano I’ve heard in my entire life. Life has been kind to me this day, and I am grateful for it

love this guy, he articulates the ideas so well

I love it how Jacob eventually leaves theory and ends up in just how it makes you feel as the main important factor.

This guy has that gift of explaining the musical feelings along with his deeply thought out analogies to aid that along, enjoyed this thoroughly... Firm handshakes big sir, top man... Ten hut

Wow, you take me back to my childhood days! Those were among the first songs then that I learnt on the recorder and the glockenspiel ❤️ perfect man, you're my hero, love the examples! (and this one here again exemplifies why I think you're the truest embodiment of genius where I'm concerned)

wow, honestly best music teacher i've listened to

I've learned so much about teaching (my profession) just by watching JC deconstruct his own music elsewhere. Students of his class are so lucky to have him.

I like this lesson thank you! When I write vocal melodies I usually wait to hear it in my head, sometimes they're garbage and I trash them and wait for another moment, sometimes a different hour or different day. Then I listen back and decide what I like about it if anything and re-do what I don't like. On good day it just flows and most of it is a keeper on bad days the song goes in the trash. Writting songs is free, you only spend time which I guess isn't really free.

When he was talking about how is friend was teaching him how to make a good Melody it really reminded me of how that was my problem as a kid I always wanted to make music I had some interest in it but everyone kept trying teaching me the rules, like there is 4th 5th and if you weren't to understand how chords work and didn't work hard enough you probably aren't going get anywhere. But when he was talking about when just letting it come to you, that's something I just recently discovered and I full on understand him completely and I wish someone had told me something like that sooner. If someone told me as a kid you just had to enjoy it you just have to enjoy making music - that probably would have changed my perspective completely and I probably would have made so many songs back then but it's because even though I have a good ear I still in my mind believed that since I don't know what chords are and I don't know what A fifth is and all this stuff I don't know the notes on the keys my song is not legit and not good enough and there's no way that could be a proper Melody because I had no clue what I was doing instead of just listening if it sounded good or not. Now since I've come to that conclusion I started working on music more I'm now 20 it's taken me that long to realize that and because I'm enjoying it and I know that I have a good ear and I know what a good Melody sounds like just from listening I've actually learned how to play the piano just by practicing I now know what notes are on the keys without even really teaching myself! Since I don't have that in my head that I don't have to work hard I just have to enjoy it it's open up such a big path for me now, I'm making so many songs and they actually do sound good I understand that like knowing the fundamentals really help with making music, but I feel like some people who are like me as long as you have a good ear, fundamentals can be learned after, and along the way while you are making me songs! I'm understanding what fifth is, it's so freaking simple, the piano is actually incredibly simple maybe not when you come to classical bloody songs where you break your freaking fingers, but yeah obviously you got to have fun and if you're enjoying learning, obviously when you work hard if you're enjoying it of course you're going to work hard, if it's something you love. If someone told me this sooner, I would have called myself a musician. But now I can finally say so. I remember some of the melodies I created when I was seven but of course I didn't think it was a good Melody because why would it be I didn't know shit, but now I'm improving it and making it into an actual song because it deserves recognition finally. Thank you so much for this lesson this is absolutely beautiful💖

So humble, giving seeds to everyone… a gift to the universe… he is love, universal energy…!!! ❤

Tbh this video is all you need. When you learn theory you approach music like it's engineering (atleast I do), when it's an art form. Listen to the music in you and transcribe it into reality :)

Beautifully explained. Loved it

Thank you very much Jacob Collier and Mike Walkers! Great lesson and great ideas!

Brilliant! Imagining someone else who is singing a melody leaves the door open for the image of that person to have created something. I get a specific impression of a person who I might imagine and I guess I can assume something about what they might sing to me. Instinctively, I want to imagine the environment they are standing in, their clothing, etc... to inspire a visual element. I never would have thought to do this. What a great idea!

Great lesson. Thank you!!!

JC is absolutely a brilliant musician. This vid is brilliant as well..More like this please. Thank you SkillShare.

I really love the fact that we dive into what I would call his "personal area" where he just shares what he is currently thinking by a melody, directly from his mind without any embarrassment or else. Also he shares stories of his and I admire him because he is such a great artist , yet is still "learning" as he told and very humble. Thanks for sharing !

@RalloR

9 ай бұрын

His what? 🤨 Are we watching the same video?

@Jacob: about the 6th: there is a very famous Russian song written in 1903 called "В лесу родилась ёлочка" ("A Fir Tree Born In Forest", or "The Forest Raised a Christmas Tree", or smth. like that); literally everyone in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus knows it from childhood. The song starts with a Major 6th, so every student studying solfeggio in a music school, uses this song when asked to sing a Major 6 :). It is a nice song with a very memorable melody. You can find it on KZread: for example, Google "A Russian song about A Fir Tree Born In Forest" :)

Tks a bunch, mate! Personally, as a songwriter and composer, I definitely disconnect from theories, I mean, the do’s and don’ts, so I can feel free to be an artist in its real essence, which is creation. Music is the key. All the best!

Wow Jacob is such a good teacher, thank you!

At first, I was like get to the point… But then I realized oh, it’s part of the point… it all ties into melody creation… truly a breakdown of creating melodies

"How satisfying is that " how beautifully poetically put into words

Brilliant, I find it very difficult to make a melody I feel comfortable with, and the way you explained it is more simple and comprehensible than other videos that focus on also important chord built melodies, but i like more your examples

Absolutely loved this!! Please consider doing a similar one about vocals! 💚

You are a great musical story teller! Very inspiring.

The greatest ever explaining how to think abput melody. Priceless

@Skillshare-com

6 ай бұрын

Ah, we're glad you found it helpful 🌟

I didn't plan on watching the whole thing, but this man can teach and keep you engaged. SUBBED

Ima download it thanks for sharing!!

I’ve been watching more cinematographers and the majority do prefer use a diffuser separately from the light to choose distance, angles e diffuser materials. I’m using more and more like this. Great to see one photographer who know this. The majority of photographers just talk about octaboxes. Good stuff!

F major is one of the best keys there is. Definitely in the top 24.

bro is so musical he even said "um" in a F2 after playing f major LMFAO

Awesome! So well explained that everybody could follow!

I like to think of melodies all day cause they help me relax

LOVE, Love Jacob Collier! Brilliant musician, all around 🎹

@Skillshare-com

6 ай бұрын

Agreed! 💚

Thank you

aight skillshare.. now i'll think about it

IT WORKED, THANKS I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOREVER, BUT NO TUTORIAL COULD EXPLAIN IT AS YOU DID

Great video! Thanks!

Beautiful

I love it, thank you, Jacob!

I love what he says about not making it too cerebral. I'm a visual artist and I don't compose by thinking, "I've got to follow the rule of thirds...I've got to have a complementary hue" and so on. Sometimes images that are formally "correct" based on known principles just aren't any good. Others immediately feel right as Jacob says. I'll look at them later and, if I want, I can dissect the composition. Lots of times, I'm surprised. It's not a formula for replication. It's ART. :)

OMG THANKS SO SO MUCH THIS HELPED!!!

Wow, what a great person you brought! I'm going to register rn to see this haha

Thank you!!!

thank you ❤

Wonderful!

He is like the 3blue1brown of music🙏🙏🙏

@Wagon_Lord

Жыл бұрын

Nowhere near as insightful and brilliant as 3b1b

@milarkdoesthings450

Жыл бұрын

@@Wagon_Lord this particular video might not be. But Jacob’s full lectures are definitely on par with 3b1b, but even then it’s hard to compare the two.

Probably the best teacher in music for me! how simple he can explain being that advance! this is a treasure to follow the course!

ace ventura of music

this is the best advice thanks!

❤ Awesome Jacob. Thanks

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Best ad ever. Jacob is good.

Fantastic info!!

Thank you for this

I love him. He is a genius musician.

Could be I'm just in a receptive mood but I found I learned more in this video then I have in last two years of melody composing.

Muy bueno !!!! Gracias !