Thanks!

@GolfTestDummy

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, Randy, and Merry Christmas!

Manuel was one of the greatest golf teacher of all time. His teachings changed my entire golf game for the better. I keep a folder of recordings of every lesson of his that I can find and I review them often. I also have his book that I have taken on most of my vacations. Great stuff.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

That's fantastic!

@wadepatton2433

Жыл бұрын

I'm only disappointed I didn't learn this 30 years ago! Just learned it in the last six weeks, since seeing this video. I think this was first "contact".

@gibsonguitarplayer

7 ай бұрын

I do the same. I put them in my phone notes and review it everytime before I play.

I’ve attended five Manuel de la Torre seminars and learned to teach ( and play) from the legendary Ken Kubitz who was Manuel’s assistant at Milwaukee CC. I learned and passed on the simple “whole club swinging” concepts to students and fellow professionals. There is no easier way to teach and learn golf. Manuel always would say don’t complicate what is a simple thing to do. Great video and explanation of Manuel’s simple and sound swing ideas!👍🙏🏻🏌🏻⛳️

DEFINATELY agree with keeping it simple, will give this a go. Many Thanks for sharing. 👍

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Best of luck! Thanks

Like the great man said its knowing what you want to do rather than figuring out how to do it. It just demystifies the golf swing and clears the mind of everything that impedes the swing. Greg McHatton says anything we consciously do to hit the ball in fact impedes us from doing so. Good video, thanks.

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more, and what to do, not how to do it, is fantastic advice.

Forty-two days ago I saw this video, then I found Manuel. I bought his book and watched all the videos up. I started after it. I started short, then added my putter, then into my mid irons and today the Driver is feeling really good. I think I'm ready to pay greens fees again. I had had a bad day after a short stint and rebuilding my old swing from long ago. I was watching all sorts of old golf instruction, Bobby Jones and Sam, everybody just before I found this one. Once I found Manuel I knew I'd found it. I only miss now when I fail to set up and swing as Manuel teaches. I hit way more than I miss now. Practice is funner than ever and I can't wait to get on the course again. Thanks.

@wadepatton2433

Жыл бұрын

tech schmeck this swing works.

@gzman1

Жыл бұрын

he liked the middle pos for the ball on most shots yes?

@scottreiber6879

2 ай бұрын

Get a copy of "Swing the Clubhead". That is where Manuel and his father got their start. His dad worked for Ernest Jones.

@wadepatton2433

2 ай бұрын

@@scottreiber6879 I have both books, but prefer Manuel's teaching to Ernest Jones-they are very close. Helps to watch the available videos of Manuel also. Books are cheap, get both and swing that thing!

I love your attitude and comments about what weekend golfers are just trying to obtain in their game. I know I will probably never be a scratch golfer, but I would like to be able to somewhat consistently shoot in the 70's. Just having a consistent golf swing is not enough. You must put time in your short game in order in overcome the bad shots and missed greens. I'm a 69 year old golfer and I still hit my driver pretty decently in the 230-260 yard range. I just played this past Monday and shot an 81 on a par 70 course. I missed a few short putts, so I know I could have easily shot a 77-79 score that day, 3 over on the front, but 8 over on the back with a couple of double bogies (those 3 on & 3 off par 4 holes)!

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! And you know, I haven't done enough short game videos. I think it's because my short game is very simple, and effective. I made a video a while back on it. Simple pitching approach. You absolutely CAN NOT score well without putting and inside of 50 yards being strong.

I have a golf instructor that teaches Ernest Jones based swing for beginners and anyone else having contact issues. It really is a good way to reset someone that is a mid to high handicapper or just starting out whose brain has been poisoned by online instruction. with an instructor watching you can improve your contact in one lesson. other things can be added later and even ball flight can still be manipulated more easily with this method in time. I go back to it frequently if I start having contact issues and more often than not im getting too body fixated or shifty. Its good stuff in its proper place in your repertoire of golf drills and swing thoughts

Now you're talking. Best swing ever. Seve Ballesteros golf swing. So simple and so functional. Manuel's book is right here by my side, constantly.

@wadepatton2433

Жыл бұрын

I've learned it now! I saw this video on 29 October after having a bad round on the 28th. I'm converted. LOVE IT!

Very good vid - and equal swing there Chad! 👍⛳🇳🇴

Beautiful smooth swing you have sir!

I believe the you are on to something special. Manuel is probably the most underrated golf coach in history.

Your swing looks good. I'm like you, over analyzing positions in the swing. I'm now at the same place you landed - I'm done with thinking about positions, the swing is movement. Dr. Kwon who teaches free-flowing continuous body movement....rhythm and timing...just letting it go. The other big lightbulb was learning about momentum in the downswing. For me the feeling of directing momentum behind the ball, not "hitting at" the ball was a gamer changer. Dan Martin is a great teacher on momentum and physics in golf.

Man,that easy,smooth swing looks soooo good,Chad! Same size swing on both sides of the ball! “Intention “ is something I remind myself to be centered on. I can be on the course and hit a not-so-good shot ,then immediately drop another ball and hit exactly the shot I had intended! I’ll check out the MDLT videos. Thanks for your thoughts 👍🏽

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Charlie! Progress being made.

@tullochgorum6323

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, according to de la Torre the focus of attention should be your mental image of the target.

For me, I can't over emphasize the importance, and timing, of the "Tic-Tok" motion. Everyone has their own space where the takeaway *limit* is represented by the "Tic". At the point where the club reaches the end of the "Tic", the "Tok" starts the clubs return. I try to remove as much tension from the club, stay smooth and focus on my own rhythm/tempo through the return ... it works surprisingly well for me. Great video ... thanks for sharing =)

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

It works beautifully George. It may take some time for a lot of us to trust it, but it works.

Hey Chad ,Just Like You I read every Dang Magazine where one Swing Theory would be Followed by an totally opposite Theory , threw it all Out ! Found an Gentlman that said to just keep Both Elbow’s pointed Down During Swing , Instant Magic for Me!

One of the biggest benefits of the MDLT swing is it’s easy on the body.

You mention Shawn Clement in this video. He teaches a lot of what you are describing here. I purchased his series of videos he did back in 2014 or so I think, and it really changed my approach to the game. Very similar to your approach here. That said I think you might have boiled it down and simplified it even more. In essence it's really about swinging the club through to the target and not trying to hit the ball. A concept I think a lot of golfers struggle with. I am not quite there yet, but you got me thinking of some more things to work on. And I am 65 so don't hit the ball that far but normally make good contact with my irons now. Anyway, liking the series of videos. Good stuff brother.

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan! I can't offer expertise, but at least I can give a different perspective. It's all I've got, haha.

@ebitalian02767

Жыл бұрын

“Cut the dandelions “.

Hey Chad, You have come a long way with your swing mechanics/rhythm/flow in your golf swing, your swing at present is looking really super, you have always had nice tempo, but now you have integrated inertial loading 'Rythm'.. which I have always said is present in every quality golf swing...and keying in on Delatorre's swing dynamics will put the icing on your own swing dynamics. I have always said you cannot move a golf club more effectively/efficiently than by 'swinging' it ...as Moe Norman once said to me .. ' My golf club..swings'me'...I asked him what he meant specifically by that comment.. he said if you key on 'swinging' the clubhead ... the body must react by becoming a stabilizer for the radial inertia of the clubhead,... that stabilization knock-on effect is that of creating a fixed swing centre.. the spindle of a Gyro so to speak. A fixed/stabilized swing centre is the key to a consistent 'radius lock... the key to quality of ball strike .. is a consistent radius lock.. always enjoy your videos. cheers JH

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear from you on this one JH. I really appreciate the compliment, and I'm really happy with my progress. I'd love to hear your feedback on the video that is coming out today at 3PM est. It's on course, lots of iron swings. I feel like the rhythm is so much better now, and of course that speaks to timing, and a much more natural tempo. Thanks, and really glad to see that you are back in the saddle my friend.

Reading his book now. Re: setup, he taught to put clubhead in center of stance with all clubs, and butt of club centered as well (no forward shaft lean). At least that's my understanding.

I've followed your journey with interest from the beginning because it parallels my own. This particular video captures precisely what the British pro, Brian Sparks, promotes in his book "Positive Impact Golf." You can also check out some of his videos here on KZread.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sean. I've definitely watched a lot of Brian's videos, and Julian Mellor. Great stuff.

I have watched many of your videos and tried them all out....with mixed results. I guess it's now on to either the teachings of Manual de la Torre or your wife :) Thanks for the time and information, bud! BTW....Your swing looks better than ever.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks BD. I'm just going through some of the best stuff I've come across and tried, so in the coming weeks there should be pieces from all sorts of coaches. Stay tuned.

You have a pretty swing. I took instruction from both Angel and Manuel. Today I look at pro golfers... all I see is back surgery in 10 years. You said it: It is simple. It is easy. It is repeatable. SWING AT YOUR TARGET! Move the club from 'here' over to 'here' at your target. Some day I will have a negative handicap. My stupid putting. :)

You’re on the right track. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: “swing YOUR swing,” not anyone else’s. Golf is hard enough, all of those unnecessary swing thoughts and positions will absolutely ruin your swing and wreck your golf game. We are all different and what works well for you may not work well for me and vice versa. We must experiment. You think of brushing the grass in front of the ball and I think of throwing the club in the direction I want it to go. Neither of us are thinking about body movements, it moves intuitively, like skipping a rock on water. Once you surveyed the shot you’d like to hit from behind the ball there’s no need to think about body mechanics. Walk up to the ball, set up for the shot you want and in the direction you want to swing, take your grip and swing. For you, this means thinking about trying to brush the grass in front of the ball in the direction you want the ball to start and for me, this means thinking about slinging the club in the direction I want the ball to start. Neither of us is thinking about hitting the ball. The hit instinct will destroy your game. Keep up the good work. Enjoying how you breakdown the swing into simple terms. Not the complicated way most teachers teach, but their motive is to keep you as a client for a longtime. So they make it complicated, which equates to more revenue.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with all. Thanks for the support. Had a great day out on course and keeping it simple makes ALL the difference in the world. Very free and you get to play golf, instead of some torturous version of it.

Less talk more swing is more useful. Thanks for Manual swing reference!

Since following you, this is the best your swing has looked

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. And with very little mechanical or complicated thought.

@MartialGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy my issue is finding someone who can guide me. Do you have an instructor or online instructor for doing a MDLT approach?

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

There is a channel. Ed LeBeau. Or Edward LeBeau. Spelling may be off. Lots of vids.

It might have been me that told you about Manuel de la Torre Chad. I’m a big fan of his teachings, found his book in a Goodwill store. He has a number of videos on the Tube. Haven’t checked up on you in while, like where your going! Good lock to your wife, De la Torre taught many LPGA pros.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

John it very well may have been you that mentioned him. I'll be mentioning some other coaches coming up, as these videos are about some of the best things I've learned from my last 2 years.

@johndonohoe3778

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy I’ll be looking in.

good stuff

Like following your journey bro. Ever look back on these older concepts?

so i can swing like this and get it to work for a while and then it seems i start hitting shots out to the right like maybe a block and it feels like my hands and wrists especially the left kinda locks up and the face is open. i have what i believe is a bit of a strong grip and i try to keep it soft and kinda loose and the fault will persist and i can't pinpoint the problem. then i start throwing the clubhead at the ball and big hooks. do you ever encounter this yourself? thnx.

Keep up the good work, K.I.S.S

Your swing is good 👍!!!!!

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve.

I caddied at Milwaukee CC as a kid and knew Manuel well. I know I have mentioned him in the past. Read Understanding the Golf Swing available on Amazon. It's basic Ernest Jones centered golf swing.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that is amazing. I can't imagine. In your opinion, do I have a decent grasp on his messages?

@scottst33

3 жыл бұрын

Chad---Heck yeah you got it. This swing methodology is not about all the gyrations that modern PGA golf swing is about. Centered swing with hands taking club back and left arm shoulder to elbow taking club forward. John McCreary's YT video explains it well target focused swing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGRklqmpe5DShNo.html That's what you are doing in your video Chad IMO. John Hayes YT channel contains a lot of Manuel's teachings in a seminar given in 1986. I think the book that folks can get thru your Amazon account Understanding the Golf Swing is a great read for those that would like a more simplified understanding of how to play good recreational golf and not be so frustrated. Well done Chad!!!

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Simplifying my swing, based on what I've learned in the last 2 years, and applying it has just started to make huge differences.

Your swinging with the Ri g ht Arm as you speak . Are you trying to show the right arm controls the swing ? Thanks

Hi there GTD! I have a question for you about something not really related to this video. Here we go! Last week I hurt my lower back real hard again (after already having surgery on it a few years ago). The thing is, I need to change my swing to something that might save my back from the risk of more pain, as stop golfing is not really an option. In you opinion, is the Jim Venetos swing better for people with back problems? Or any of the other swings you have tested for that matter. What are your thoughts of this? Thanks again, for all that you are doing on your channel by the way. All the best!

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the support and kind words. For the back, that is so tough. So many instructors say that their approach is the most body friendly, and kinestheticly sound way. It's so hard to say which may be best, without knowing what part of your back is most sensitive, how much range of motion, etc. I would say that, in my opinion, the spine isn't meant to twist. So a swing like Wisdom in Golf involves turning the hips, and leaving the spine still and without it being twisted or strained.

@francismurphy5986

3 жыл бұрын

Check out Marcus Bell @zen golf

Question. Do I look at the spot past the ball in order to brush it or do I look at a spot on the ball ? Thank you. Please answer.

@GolfTestDummy

Жыл бұрын

I've tried both, haha. For me, with an iron on the turf, I like to try and bottom out a few inches in front of the ball. Kind of like brick breakers in martial arts. Hit through, not at.

I loI love this swing concept and I’ve been working through it. One difficulty I’m having is when I swing the club back at the top of my swing my left wrist cups instead of flexing naturally like I’ve seen in others that have applied this technique. How do I swing the club back and have the lead wrist flex naturally instead of cupping?

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Well I'm no expert, as I've had that issue also. But, try this.... rather than swinging back and hinging your wrists, swing back and try NOT to let your wrists hinge. Sounds nuts, but try it and see if it helps.

@j1166240

2 жыл бұрын

I think in his teaching he had the cupped wrist at the top too. On the down swing centrifugal force of the clubhead will straighten the wrist at impact and rehinge just after to release the clubhead through the ball. The one thing he did show was at the top of the you should be able to square the shoulders back to the ball and drop the club behind the ball with the club back in the same position as address. If you can't then somewhere the club was manipulated on the way back. I would think I would start there to figure out the solution. Like Manuel said he can't tell you "how" you do it. I have always been told I have the same issue, so I do understand your pain.

@thebarrykleiman

Жыл бұрын

If you watch Manuel he simply says "put it here"…essentially just standing square to the ball then lifting the club over his right shoulder…never seemingly worried about cupping, not cupping etc. I love his teaching and this thread. Try just lifting the club from the address position to it being over your shoulder…don’t even swing for starters just lift to get the feel. Hope this helps…keep up these great videos

@GolfTestDummy

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. My swing in the last several weeks has been so fantastic, and it's just up..... and then down. Boom. 629 yards down the middle of the fairway.

I agree with you that golf instructors make this too complicated and difficult. If they adopted your approach (and mine) they'd work themselves out of a job. I seen a number of your videos. Your swing here looks relaxed and pretty good. Too bad you left JV's swing behind. I love it and it has done wonders for my game. Nothing to think about except stillness. I like Shawn Clement, Paul Wilson and Brian Sparks but I could never master the simpleness of their methods. Anyway, best of luck to you. Keep it simple and this game can be fun,

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. The big thing I think for most of us, is finding the swing or thought that keeps it simple and repeatable. Stillness is definitely simple.

How about trying Kirk Junge’s set up for impact method?

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen his stuff and really like his vids. I haven't gone down the single plane road yet. It's a big change and I'm just not sure I want to go through it at this point.

more people would enjoy golf if more instructors taught the MDT method. Best methodology out there.. hands down. I've taken lessons for over 40yrs and I didn't improve until I found an instructor who taught MDT swing

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Very simple, very relatable. All the technical speak and overly complicated orchestrations of super athletic positions just ruin it for amateur golfers.

@dry509

2 жыл бұрын

What is mdt?

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Manuel de la Torre

MDLT isn’t the most dynamic or powerful pattern, and it’s impact tends to be a little flippy (to me/for me)…..but it’s arguably the most consistent. I follow it religiously, only adjusting my grip a little stronger than the book and changing intention on the downswing during a round IF I have to scrape together a score when I’m off that day.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

That's always the best way to measure. How does it perform on off days? Anybody can have a good day with any swing, but can it keep you afloat on bad days?

MDLT says the swing has 2 circles, the backswing & the forward swing. The latter is closer to the target. That implies a different center, i.e., one closer to the target. What moves? The sternum? The head?

I wondered when you would get to the MDLT Method. A lot of what you are doing with Clement is like what he teaches. Target focus, less technical, a natural athletic swing, etc. I am like you in a lot of ways. I will never probably go all in on one Method. Either my body or mind just won’t let me. I have been focusing on MDLT for the last two months and have had some great success and also a few disappointing moments. For example, I shot my worst round this year today (85). But just two weeks ago I shot even par. So inconsistent play has been my biggest problem. And when i starting having problems it’s just a matter of time before I get frustrated and start trying other things to just make solid contact. I did that today, and I think it hurt my game overall looking back. My Buddy even said to me, “You just shot a 72 a few weeks ago with what you were doing, why change? “ Great question!! I am struggling with the neutral grip and my tempo the most. When I swing like my practice swing tempo, usually have good results. But when I go after ball, which is my tendency, contact issues arise. I going to keep plugging away, because I think it’s the easiest swing to get consistent with.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely relatable, and it doesn't matter what skill level we are. Everybody is susceptible to slumps and bad rounds. I'm not sure there is a cure for that, lol.

Great comments!I agree with your comments totally! I played better in the seventies with very few lessons.!

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

I used to complicate everything listening to the "experts". Keep it simple.

Thanks. I notice your grip is not per de la Torre, nor is your placement of the club at address. Might want to check on those and I bet you are going to make huge improvement.

He does say that you use your hands to swing back the club and your arms , not forearms , to swing the club down and through. As you say , the body then responds.

I know you worked with Venetos. Can you see any similarities in the two?

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I dont know that I can honestly say they are similar "as a whole". Certainly though, there are some things that are alike in a very general sense. The simplicity would be something they have in common. The lower body being in a supporting role, rather than the main focus, would be another, even though the lower body supports in different ways for each.

👍🏻

your swing "looks" fine from a style perspective (i dont want an ugly swing, even if it works!)

@GolfTestDummy

Жыл бұрын

Haha, I have a good friend who is the exact same way.

It's like all golf swings. Still have to hit the ball in between all of that.

Check out Marcus Bell Zen golf

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I have several episode from a little while back on Zen Golf. Love the simplicity.

Your not mentioning balance which is the most important???

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Well I think balance is important in any swing, and as this wasn't an in depth review, I was trying to touch on the points that were somewhat unique with this approach.

I never understood swinging the whole club? How can one not?

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

I think by this he means that often coaches and individuals focus on a part of the club, when in fact, as you said, it's impossible NOT to swing the whole club.

Check out Darrel Klassen and zen golf mechanic if your looking simple instinctive instruction

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Ive seen Darrells vids here and there, and I actually have a full Zen review on my channel.

@videogamemichaelboy9yearso597

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy I’ll have to watch it. I’m new to the Chanel. What about Monte Scheinblum

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Got my pitch shot from him, lol. Follow him on the gram too.

@videogamemichaelboy9yearso597

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy check out the no turn cast drill video. I’d like to hear what you think

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I've used that, too. 😄 He's right. Even when you just think of folding the arm, instinct kicks in and you make a turn. You can't cheat it though and try to prevent the turn, just the body respond while your intention stays on the folding of the arm.

I think most of us golf KZread junkies need a swing reset like this. When I only focus on the blur or swish of the club the body takes over, better balance, better strike… then my damn brain gets involved or worse I see my swing on video… game over!!!

@GolfTestDummy

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. It's kind of like anything else. You can find yourself so far off the path that you just need to get back to a familiar starting point.

Do you bet the ponies?

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Never have, no.

Imagine if we over analyzed how to walk like we do with the golf swing. We’d all be in wheelchairs

Less shaft lean. Don't turn the 9 into a 8. You have to compensate. Manuals simple drill is take slow back and does it return square not with shaft lean- you will have to manipulate

Having studied with Manuel for 15 years, I became convinced that he understood how to produce and teach the golf swing better than any teacher--and I have studied most of them. The elegance of his teaching is that he clearly differentiated "what can be known about the swing" from "what needed to be known" to produce a golf shot. I have been present for many many lessons he gave (some to me) and found that regardless of the players skill level, the simpler he could make the instruction the better they responded. If you are interested, I have combined what I learned from those years with Manuel with my 25 years of teaching and put it in an instructional manual. I will not post a link here because I do not want to appear to use your site to promote it. You can contact me if you are interested.

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Edward! I've watched some of your videos to gain some insight. It's fantastic that you've kept this alive, and I'm sure you've helped a ton of people. I appreciate the comment so much.

Manuel de la Torre / jòse was my grandpa

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

You're kidding. That's amazing! When you say /Jose, was that a nick name for him or?

GTD Manuel is one of my favorite instructor but when he said to just move the club the body will follow...is that not like the tail wagging the dog The body moves the club Move the body in the proper natural setup the way it’s made to be used and the club will follow Dog wagging the tail Good video Chad

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I think he's talking about the difference between what we consciously think about, and what happens in reality. The club won't move without us moving it, but rather than trying to control HOW our body moves, we think about the club making a free swing, and the body and subconscious figure out how to move in response.

@shofey

2 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy The "body" swing is what is "new" Angel de la Torre and his style go "way" back.

You sound just like I would if I was articulate.

@GolfTestDummy

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated.

One great drill is to swing the club back and set it on your right shoulder then swing it to your left shoulder

@steveschwab922

2 жыл бұрын

Manuel recommended swinging the club back over your shoulder then returning it to the address position without a thought. It’s incredible how much this helps with understanding club face position.

Also the ball is not the target were you want the ball to go is the target

too bad golf isn't more instinctive, your action looks great.

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve. Much appreciated.

Owt wrong with that mate

What happened to the Shaun Clement swing....he isnt about swinging from one side to the other...his intention is out in front of him....or driving a nail through something.... Seems to me you will never be happy.....i know this feeling...im in the same place I had a lesson with my coach Brian Sparks on friday....after a while he asked me some questions...it went a bit like this.... You are married arnt you? ....yes Do you love your wife?...yes Do you think your wife looks good?....yes shes beautiful Do you constantly look for another woman?....no of course not.... So why are always looking for a better golf swing when the one you have is great? Made me think..... It may just be you trying to make content ...but i think you are close to loosing the swing you have ....and if you are not careful you will always be one shot away from a disaster...because you will hit one bad shot Shawn Clement style ...then the next shot something different......its not a good place to be.....i know!!!

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

I have asked myself the same question? Am I off of the Shawn Clement path? And my answer to myself goes something like this.... I seriously doubt I would ever be 100 percent the embodiment of any one person's total philosophy. I don't vote straight party tickets, I don't just eat one type of food, I don't just wear one brand or type of clothing, etc. I think I use quite a large amount of Shawn's wisdom, but I also make it my own. Shawn gives lots of tasks to choose from. Driving through the door frame, cutting grass, throwing the club, collecting the hockey puck, etc. In regards to the wife question that Brian posed; Man, I completely agree, lol. Great thought from him. The difference is; My golf swing and the results it has produced in the past are inconsistent and frequently disappointing. My wife is never either of those lol. If my game was like my wife, no way I'd ever look for better.

@bobmansfield1226

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy I absolutely agree with your conclusion Chad. You ar e a very lucky man.

@ryandavidtrapasso

3 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy Clement and MDLT are incredibly compatible….at least as far as taking stuff from MDLT and putting it into the Clement swing. The other way around however…..Manuel was always deeply opposed to that.

Hit 2 inches in front of ball very simple thought which I have been unable to execute…not easy to do. I usually hit fat or top the ball. It takes innate ability. You are talking about stuff that the average golfer cannot do..I am happy to break 100…hit in the 70’s?

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

I think the majority of golfers suffer because they are being fed encyclopedias of over complicated information, not necessarily because they lack hand eye coordination. If it's hard to hit a spot on the ground with a stick, to within a reasonable tolerance of course, then draw this comparison.... Is it hard to drive a nail with a hammer? And if so, how bad is the miss? Do you miss the nail completely over and over and over? Or do you at least make contact between the hammerhead and nail far more often than not? The difficultly in brushing the grass in a 2 inch by 2 inch line is not inherent for most people, in my opinon. I think the simple task is made difficult, by overcrowding and overtaxing our brain with way too many thoughts and intentions, that have zero to do with where our club brushes the grass.

@dry509

2 жыл бұрын

@@GolfTestDummy Could be. I am having a tough time though.

@GolfTestDummy

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, we all are. Anybody that says they aren't is either extremely talented and lucky, or delusional.

@johnnydev9318

2 жыл бұрын

This is easier said than done, but someone taught that to hit the ground 2 inches in front of the ball, you must not look AT the ball at all - rather you must focus on that point 2 inches in front of the ball ….. Sounds simple; I only read that recently; I’ve not yet perfected the technique.

Manuel clinic's were amateurish at best. I would bet Jim Flick was a faithful follower. RIP Mr. Flick but Jim McClain had it right. Mr. Mclains xfactor was misconstrued. You mentioned tempo. Is there any such thing as swinging too slowly ? I never heard a pro say snatch that club away in the backswing or jerk it down in the downswing. By using the word natural tempo is like opening the door to a balony factory with a pack of starving wolves outside waiting. Nick Price and very few others are exceptions. Instead of natural tempo , slow , smooth, silky would be more appropriate and appeal to the vast majority. Picture the club head sitting in a pan of chocolate milk at address. No splashes just create a small wake with the takeaway. Why chocolate milk and not water ? Cuz I love chocolate milk and it makes me " SMILE ". Anyways an image is worth a thousand words especially when applied to the golfswing. You will be surprised on how the first 1 foot of your takeaway filters throughout your entire swing. Thanks Chad

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've watched a bunch of Jim Flick and Jim McClain in the past, before the channel started up. I know they were huge, and some of the things they say makes sense, but as a whole, I always classified them as "conventional". As far as tempo, you're probably right on the majority of people, but when I refer to it, the 2 polar opposites that come to mind would be Nick Price, as you mentioned, and Fred Couples. One is super quick, while the other, is often referred to as hypnotic, or silky, or even lazy. Both hall of famers. And to take a page from Zen Golf or Flow Motion, you swing as you walk. Everyone has a natural pace. If you walk, talk, work, and move quickly, it's not likely that you'll have a natural swing tempo like Freddie. To your question; Is there such a thing as swinging too slowly? The only swing I can think of that's too slow would be one where you actually prevent gravity from taking hold. Other than that, no, there's no such thing as too slow, so I totally agree.

What’s with all the Talk ? Get on with it. I switch off here.

If you ask anyone including golfers to describe what their arm is they'll point out from the shoulder socket to the wrist. Of course, manuals anatomical description is accurate and the arm is really the biceps area. So swinging with the biceps area without activation of the right elbow and forearm until much later in the swing is what needs to happen. So it take practice so just perform a bunch of practice swings focusing on starting your downswing from the top just using your upper arms swinging. It will feel different because most use their hands and start unfolding the right arm to assist. By just using the upper arms and a little right shoulder drop and gravity gets the triangle moving without unloading the power too early. If you're a handsy player it will feel different and takes time. Just lots of practice swings focusing on the feel of the upper arms swinging and no hand action. It's very interesting!

tip all you guys start your video with this long speech no! start out by doing this grab club hit the ball say this is how you hit it then talk!

Great video Chad ! Thought you might mention the handkerchief with the pen knife that Ernest Jones used in his teaching. 😎🏑

@GolfTestDummy

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, yeah, I could've wedged that in. I hope this will get a few people to go read and watch these guys.

He does say that you use your hands to swing back the club and your arms , not forearms , to swing the club down and through. As you say , the body then responds.