Strange seeing HST power cars being used as freight locos, better than being scrapped though! Nice catch of the 69 as well

@bluechang08

Жыл бұрын

It's strange seeing the HST power cars without the iconic yellow front end and also being used for something other than passenger duty.

@keitheglon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's still life in those old dogs

@thebeautyofnatureandtrails6392

Жыл бұрын

It’s pretty cool how they also don’t’ have the safety yellow and it was transporting one of the class 777s

@K-o-R

Жыл бұрын

I'm told the HST power cars are rubbish for freight duty as they are only designed to pull 9 passenger coaches. Probably why there's 4 of them on a relatively small freight consist.

@archonix

Жыл бұрын

@@K-o-R They're being used for train testing and rolling stock transfer, not general freight. They must have been testing the EMU in the middle of the consist.

Happy days for me today I’ve caught the 777 units myself at stoke works junction and this is the first for me to see these Merseyrail units

@trainsplanes

29 күн бұрын

Well done - Nice grab that 👍

This for me is trainspotting at its best. Tonnes of variety, plenty movements, great viewing position. Superb video!

@davidwalbank3317

Жыл бұрын

had more variety in the days of steam, now it's just multiple units and diesels....

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks George - It was a cracking hour to film! Glad you enjoyed it. 👍

The "Rail Adventure" train using HST Power cars is a train originating in Switzerland (Altenrhein) where the Stadler works making the Mesrsey Rail units is situated. The HST Power cars are German owned and have resided recenlty in Munich. So it seems like this train made it all the way from Switzerland via Gerany and France in this formation.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, hope you’re well. The class 777 unit was dragged from Dollands Moor to Wembley by a class 66 loco. The HST Powercars run from Tyseley to Wembley to collect the unit, then took it up to Kirkdale CS to deliver it to its new home. Hope this helps 👍

Simply amazing! Had to watch this a few times! Seriously Lol

@trainsplanes

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! 👍

Just 2 words. Bloody brilliant

Well at least they didn't scrap them away, rather using them. Thanks for sharing this video.

Günaydın güzel paylaşım olmus elinize sağlık ❤️

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏 👍

As a American, seeing this was a treat!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks - Glad you liked it 👌👍

Fantastic to see 43480 again. Back when I was very young and it was 43080 wearing InterCity Executive livery, it was the lead power car in the first ever HST I travelled on and I even got to sit in the cab when we reached St Pancras. Happy memories!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Good times 👌👍

just a pointer for all the comments about class 43 power cars hauling 'freight'. the vehicles in the consist are use as brake force, as the unit being moved is not braked as part of the formation, hence the need, for travelling at line speed, additional braking within the formation. I'm guessing that the power cars are semi=permanently coupled to act as one locomotive, and that the trailing set is at best idling, or off.

@74HC138

Жыл бұрын

Trailing set is idling - you can tell by the heat haze coming off the exhaust.

@stephenwalker6823

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the temporary control cable (visible at 5:35) is connecting the front and rear of the train and whether there are no temporary brake pipes running with it through the unit being transferred? That would need the rear cars powered to provide air for the brakes. HSTs were equipped with electric brake control, so that in the normal formation, the delay of air moving throughout the length of the train could be reduced by electrically applying the brakes by the rear power car, as soon as the front one braked. They did have conventional brake pipes connected over the full length though.

I counted over 120 containers, 120 wagons off the roads. Great vid, thanks.

What a great video. I enjoyed it so much, I just had to subscribe! Thank you for sharing!!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks - Glad you enjoyed it 👍

@usmale49

Жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanes You're welcome!

nice puff puff steaming away at speed 🥰

Nice to still see the shots of the 390 in the background

nice view

First time I've seen the Rail Adventure 43s moving stuff!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Should be a more moves in the next few weeks 👍

The steam loco was amazing

Absolutely flippin brilliant catch... Well done because it looked like you had a brilliant day.... As for the HST with freight.... Now that's something you don't see every day....

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Nigel - One of those very enjoyable days that only come along a couple of times a year. A great mix of workings 👍

@nigelbevan8449

Жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanes Thank you so much for your kind reply....

Super catches 👍

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

You have captured the epitome of being a platform soul in the modern era! Beautifully framed, exposed and focussed, and best of all, NO wind noise!! When I saw the HST come into shot I wondered what the clerestory coaches were doing in the set! Love that discrete livery.Personally I prefer them without buffers but thats prolly just me!

The opening shots, with 'Sherwood Forester' take me back 60 + years. Two generations of my forebears were all railwaymen on the Trent Valley line from Rugeley to Shugborough; my late father was signalman at Colwich Junction, and I grew up beside the line. I'd see Black 5's, Jubilees, Taper Scots, Black 8's and Duchesses every day. Thank you for showing this - bring on the Super D's!

Awsome,well done

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers! 👍

now that is a first a hst pulling freight and new deliveries !!!

Very nice shots. 🤩

Your video was so varied and interesting that I had to subscribe to the channel.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much - Glad you enjoyed it 👍🙏

Excellent newsworthy clips, well done. Mike in Wales

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike 🙏👍

Excellent video😃⤴️⤴️Very cool steam locomotive, fantastic trains and wonderful station😉👍️✨Thank you for sharing :)

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you too! 👌👍

Those MTU HST’s must be much more fuel efficient than normal motive power used for stock moves, can’t see how it would be otherwise cost effective to run 4 engines. Lovely to see them out and about and still being used.

@andrewbrown6786

Жыл бұрын

Given that HST’s use the same power bed as Class 56’s - it does seem a tad overkill Nice for the camera though 👍

@chris8405

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewbrown6786 HSTs, 56s (and 69s) have never used the same type of engine.

@jonathanj8303

Жыл бұрын

Even money says the trailing pair aren't running (and probably couldn't be controlled from the front with the wagons in between anyway) but are there to make some planned reversal easier.

@matty99

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanj8303 agreed, back pair won’t be running, the same as with other non HST stock moves. However, this presents another potential issue in my mind as historically, HST power cars left idling used to catch fire due to unburnt fuel accumulating in the exhaust system. This was the reason the HST DVT’s were switched from ets supply only, to actively powering the Class 91 Mk3 test trains. Maybe the MTU engines have solved this Valenta party trick, I guess RailAdventure will find out.

@jonathanj8303

Жыл бұрын

@@matty99 I just assumed that the trailing set would be dead in tow rather than idling, and only get started up (and the others shut down) when wanted. I'd forgotten about the exhaust party trick (deltics do it to, some spectacular silencer barbeques there), and while I don't know, I'd guess the MTU engines are way better - be very hard to get one through modern emissions etc if it was passing unburnt fuel through in any quantity.

Great 👍

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

That Rail Adventure livery does bring some of the 70's futuristic look back.

69002 was thinking...."is this the way to Tonbridge"

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Wanting to get there in a hurry also!

And the 2023 prize for the weirdest ever consist goes to...

I almost had a stroke seeing class 42’s hauling freight

For remember of HST❤

Nice video thanks for sharing

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it 👍

Wow your a better trainspotter then me 😁

What an amazing sight of the two pairs of 43s.

Well done jalande jaguar ❤❤❤❤

Fantastic camera work 👏 sounds like bad wheel flats on the HST barrier wagons.

This happy collection of trains old and new, odds and sods proves that all things come to those who wait. You must have been jumping up and down with joy, or to keep warm. Thank you for your efforts.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Yes definitely happy to capture these - Not your average afternoon so grateful to have seen them all 🙏👍

Very enjoyable, glad you were out in that freezing cold platform, and not me, Thanks for sharing!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brian - Freezing cold it certainly was but well worth it 👍

Interesting to see the HST power cars in use - I guess they are now using HST's for freight? Makes sense given that the majority of Mk3 coaches were scrapped, and it saves the HST power cars themselves from being scrapped. Maybe could make way for some of the really old locos (that are well past their time) to finally be scrapped themselves.

Красавчики - прям 😅😅😅😅😅

wow - what a catch of variety that was!!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it - Definitely fun to film them all ! 👍

Lucky Man. What a turn-up.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely - Great to catch them 👍

Came across this by accident. I agree with this being trainspotting at its best. Well done. Only other thing I can say is 'Wowww!!!'

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gordon - Glad you liked it 👍

Cracking video thanks Right time,right place More please

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul - Plenty more to follow 👍

What a video, brilliant 👍👍👍👍👍

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks 🙏 👍

Quite by chance I saw the Rail Adventure outfit as it went through Leighton Buzzard. Seemed a bit OTT in terms of traction.

Crazy hell!

Brings back memories of my train spotting days of the mid 70s and early 80s at Rugeley. I miss those days terribly but I have the memories

Great footage, brilliantly shot!! So much packed into 7.5 minutes! How strange and interesting to see the 43's like that.

GREAT video. One of the best catches i've seen in quite a while with the RailAdventure 43''s.

Definitely the weirdest train formation I’ve ever seen !!

列車が左側進行なのも然ることながら、複々線を高速通過する列車の光景は日本と似ていて親しみを感じます。それにしても、英国の貨物列車は超速いですね！冒頭のSL列車は何かの試運転ですか？これも凄い速い！ 煙も迫力満点だ✨👍

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been on Japanese railways a few times - You have the number 1 service in the world without doubt..! Amazing railway network and staff 💯👍

@user-cj7dv8ot5k

Жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanes Thank You！ I want to travel in England by trains. Our railway learned from your country 150years ago. British railways have a long history.

@satc.310shi8

Жыл бұрын

雰囲気がサントリーカーブみたいですね。 HSTはこんな使い方も出来るとは…。 隣の支線？も気になります。

Beautiful to see.

What a fantastic spot to video from. Thanks, I enjoyed that 🙂

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark - Glad you enjoyed it 👍

Very interesting. Thank you for posting. That's a like from me.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

Great video, well filmed.👍🎥👍👍👍😊

Incredible video with incredible catches!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! 👍

Was a bit shocked when I saw the HSTs roll through platform 12, Birmingham New Street yesterday (23/1/2023) at 11.00. Passed them again a bit later on parked up at King's Norton. They do seem to be busy.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Good to keep them active! 👍

Well, most interesting. All the Freightliner workings seemed well loaded

Fabulous

Omg! AMAZING SHOTS OF TRAINS! I love it!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! 👍

Great catches mate!

Crackin' good shots here. mate! The HSTs with the Merseyrail unit within, most unusual!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Frank.. Great to see the HST’s repurposed. 👍

best way to start the video with a amazing steam train at speed

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Can’t beat it 👌👍

Some lovely footage here. loved the HST Power cars.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Kevin 👍

Fantastic video. Seeing the Rail Adventure HST's finally doing what they were purchased for Rail Movement. For more info on what Rail Adventure do look them up on Google. Kettles HST's sheds, Grids and a pendo what more can you fit in a vid.

Equivalent to 45 lorries pulled by one engine.

Great!

Awesome catch

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! 👍

Nice class 43s 👍👍👍👍😎😃

Fantastic video! Who says there's not variety these days! I saw the Black 5 at Kings Langley.

@philclarke3203

Жыл бұрын

And me at Stafford!

Great video and variety. I wa at Stafford, only went for the Black 5 and some freight, but it got better and better!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Great afternoon of workings that was - Look forward to seeing your video mate and how it all looked at Stafford 👍

Don't normally comment, but this is a great bit of video. Nice variety of traction, filmed excellently.

Awesome stuff

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Cheers James 👍

awesome footage amazing

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly 👍

Some great captures, well done 👍🏻 HST’s have taken over from tractors now on stock movements. When you look back at the intermodal traffic, those sheds have really opened it up.

@matsw8283

Жыл бұрын

Ah, so basicly you have High Speed Tractors running the rails now :)

Brilliant

Didn't manage to get the HSTs today but did get a DCRf Class 56, 2 ROG 37s dragging a 730 and 69002 so can't complain. Nice video!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Well done - Nice mix that 👌👍

The grey hst front ends look completely unique

Thought I've never seen the day seeing 4x hst power cars working a unit drag brilliant also great catch of 69002 too

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a rare occurrence! 👍

@pearlyhumbucker9065

Жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanes I dont think so. This is the standard business of RailAdventure - draggin around some EMUs, DEMUS and other not for the system suitable rolling stock. So they towed Finnish broad-gauge locomotives on their own bogies, which they put on little standard gauge bogies, from the factory in Germany to the ferry port, bound for Finland..... This company is very special and interesting..... ;)

I wonder if those HST’s have been limited in speed or they can still go all the way to 125.

Well i have to agree that was pretty Crazy , the 125 set was quite bizarre... Loved the 69 blasting through..

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark - Always good to catch a Class 69 on the WCML 👍

Certainly a great hour there pal 👍

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate - Pretty mad mix of workings 👌👍

@arthurgrowler5749

Жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanes absolutely !!! Nice open space to film there too

@philclarke3203

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurgrowler5749 definitely, not been ,but must try it!

that's a strange movement loads of hst's pulling dmu's and some freight trucks! seems weird seeing them pulling freight trains! and a nice flying glass 69 high-grid flying past at speed! Good video 🤩😍🥰

@stephenwalker6823

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that it's not a freight train, it is a stock transfer. The HST power cars are providing the haulage; the power cars and the wagons are providing the braking; the box wagons are providing both braking and coupling adaptation; while the 4-car unit in the middle is unpowered and unbraked (incompatible systems) with a control cable running from the front part of the train to the rear, via the 4-car unit. You can actually see the control cable snaking around the cab (with protection for the paintwork) and into the first door, via a wooden replacement for the window, at 5:35. The same will be at the back, on the other side.

It will be interesting to see if the Australian Xpt's will do similar things ie. Used to transfer rollingstock including some freight rollingstock

Well I never I always thought 💭 that we'd see a class 91 on freight before the class 43 but the 43's beaten it!

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Agreed there Kevan - They looked good for it also 👍

What a great day out, loved the HST fright train, thanks for the upload.

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks - A great afternoon that was 👌👍

Now there's something that's not seen everyday Class 43 dummy cars used for freight 😮

I could be wrong but was the tail lamp on the liner from Ditton flashing or not, that’s the problem with sticking signalmen in buildings which don’t over look the railway.

Very interesting mix and well caught. The 4xHST ensemble sums up for me what is wrong with today's railway - 4 x 2,250hp (albeit much of it idling) to tow a four car lightweight electric unit at low speed. Why on earth not just have a single power car at each end if reversals are needed - I'm sure there's still plenty of brake force? All that weight being carted about is fuel-inefficient in the extreme and similar routine waste is going on all over the country on what is supposed to be the environmental choice for transport. Sigh.

@professorjamesmoriarty5191

Жыл бұрын

That setup is far more efficient than you might think. The train is traveling at low speed as there is a speed restriction on the points crossing from the slow to fast lines, I would think it would also be signal checked for this reason. The wagons are there to act as coupling adapters and brake force, the loco's alone are not enough and would also put a speed restriction on them which gets in the way of other traffic. Top and tailed freight trains are not allowed in this country, a single class 43 would be working very hard to move that train and would again get in the way of other traffic. A pair up front as in this setup is not going to be working hard at all, so good on fuel and reduces maintenance costs. The only wasteful thing I can see is having one of the rear powercars running, though there are alot of reasons why it may be.

@iandocwra1169

Жыл бұрын

@@professorjamesmoriarty5191 Partly agree, but T&T freights (most often engineering trains) do run in the UK, and this train itself is being operated as T&T if the pairs of power cars are taken as being a loco at each end. The speed limitation I was thinking of will be on the towed unit (60/75mph?), not on the speed at this particular location. The simple fact is that four locos' worth of weight is being carted around when one would easily suffice. 2,250hp (in any form) would very easily sufficient to power that train - the barrier vehices are light and it's only a lightweight four car unit in the middle. Using HST power cars in two pairs is simply inefficient when compared to a single loco.

@professorjamesmoriarty5191

Жыл бұрын

@@iandocwra1169 Top and tailed trains in the UK are not what you think, as the rear loco is not allowed to power the train. The class 43 and a few others can because they run in a fixed set designed for it. Any freight or engineering train with a loco at the rear will just be idling. A single power car may have 2250hp but is geared for speed, not pulling power. A hst running on one power car is dog slow, and there are quite a few places they are not allowed to run like that because they cannot cope with the gradient. Remember mk3 coaches are not very heavy either.

@iandocwra1169

Жыл бұрын

@@professorjamesmoriarty5191 Yes, all that is well known, but T&T freights are still worked today - check Lickey workings, as just one example. I'm not going to get into a long ramble about it, there can be no denying the fact that lugging four power units around (whether powering or not) to operate a very lightweight train is extremely inefficient and just indicative of the state the railway has got itself into.

@0:15 I hate to see bags dumped in the "four-foot" like that. I often wonder how much debris could be picked up by any "hanging gear" under trains passing. A ganger surely could have just put them to the side after a job as a matter of safety/discipline. Nice angle on the "5" leaning into the curve by the way.👍

Best beautiful ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

We're waiting for the 777's up here while they're galavanting around down south :(

InterCity 225 HSTが生き残ってるのは、嬉しい事だ

Memories of back in the 80's. So strange to see thatscene without cooling towers though

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Yes - I remember that view also 👍

nice

@trainsplanes

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍