I use quarters as dividers. Have for 40 years just to see where I stand. What I learned today is having a separate spot for waitress or dealer bets. hank you. Still teaching an old player new ways.

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

I started with quarters, too. But the lammers (especially the new ones) are better. They're thicker and easier to manage. Some casinos don't allow them, so then I go old school with the coins!

@deshonydo1433

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps whatever works. the theory and the need is there. I like the designated corner for drink tips and dealer bets. So yes you can teach an old craps guy new things

Kudos for getting to the heart of losses at the craps table, discipline. Vast majority of craps players don't know their chip count till they have short stacked themselves. So rare to find serious money management conversation with another craps player, thank you.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

It's a lesson hard learned, that's for sure. Craps is such an emotional game. It's so easy be "on a run" and toss out horns and hardways and 5-5-5 on the ATS. Before you know it, a 20 shot hand becomes almost a push and you can't figure out why.

Thanks! You're an awesome teacher; thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Whoa! I've been on a vacation and just saw this. That's amazing and so highly appreciated! Thank you so much. I'm going to keep on keeping on.

This video is great advice in helping me to organize my chips rack video

This is some great advice sir I will be using your rack management info on my next trip, Welcome to the nation and keep those videos coming.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

Excellent video! Great information and presentation.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for watching.

Great idea John! Thank you!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome. Glad you were able to get something out of that. Thanks for tuning in!

Love the video , thanks for the tips !

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

Great explanation, I use something very similar to your strategy, I do use white chips to separate my groups.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you already do it ... so many people at the tables just have a cluster in front of them!

Excellent coverage - excellent presentation

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Hope that helps

Very nice presentation! Good idea on Mgmt. We talked in chat last night and I have subbed. Welcome to the nation, lot of good folks and some really good players.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to be a part of the group. Definitely will force me to keep upping my game.

I'm just getting back into craps. This method of "rail management" is awesome information that I will be implementing. thanks!

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks John, I just saw 555’s video about you and here I am. I enjoyed this video, so I am now subscribed and look forward to catching up with you other videos. Cheers from Australia. Rob

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to have you aboard. Fun to watch Greg roll your strategy out last week.

That was a great information video! Thank you , I appreciate it.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, James. Trust me, this will change the way you play at the tables.

Great video, great system, thank you for sharing.

@ProCraps

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Awesome!! I like it!! Very easy to see!!

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it! I've been doing this for a long time. It's a game changer for the way I like to segment my per-shooter money. I'm old now, need to look down quick and see where I'm at!

Most elaborate use of the rack I’ve ever seen. Good stuff!! Subscriber #3 🎲🎲👍👍

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir! Honestly saves me so much random money just by knowing where I stand. Too bad you can't do it on Bubble Craps ...

this is really helpful !!! Will try it next time I hit the craps tables!!! Here via 555's recommendation. Just subscribed. Thanks Pro Craps!!

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Hope my future videos are just as helpful for you

Welcome to the Craps Nation. This is the first video I have watched of yours after seeing you in the chat tonight at work. Looking forward to the rest of your videos.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you stopping by. I'm new and just finding my groove. I have a bunch in the works, and will be doing a few live streams a week to keep things on move while I edit the more "teach-y" ones

This is the first real explanation about how to keep my cheques from "pancake-ing" on the rail. Thanks.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! One thing you'll note as I start to transition into strategy building and practicing, is that I'll be keeping a camera on the rack at all times, separate from the layout/dice. I think it's important to see how this works in the day to day.

I manage mine separating and always replenish my bankroll too but this is better. I've been using Whites and reds counting rolls. Whites for horn numbers and reds for box hits.. i can easily see where the roll count is and confirm the number of hits BUT.. I think need some of those separators to add to my management strategy too. Thanks for posting.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you got something out of it. It's an overly detailed way to do it, but it keeps me honest

Excellent video and explanation of keeping track of your bankroll. I'm fairly new to Craps and tried to manage my chips in the rack while the game was going on and it seemed I spent more time counting my chips in the rack than watching what was happening on the table. Before your video I was separating my chips in denominations with $1 chips so I could at least count quickly how much bankroll I had at the moment. The quadrant explanation makes so much sense and it was good to see how the chips were separated and for what use in each quadrant. Thanks!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear. I used to use dollar chips as well, but as I got older, I couldn't always tell them apart with the side decorations often looking the same. I used quarters for a while, but the little separators are life changer for me. Like you, I can pay attention to my bets not my rack now.

This is very helpful, practical and easy to use. I currently use dollar chips as separators , but I just ordered a pack of lammers since I oftentimes find myself pulling out the dollar chips to make bets or tips. I like the fact that the betting chip quadrant is on the left and it will naturally force me to handle the chips with my left hand and keep my right hand free to just handle the dice when I am the shooter. Thanks for producing this and you have a new subscriber!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you got something out of that. You’ll watch me working my rack in that way in almost all of my videos. It’s been a bankroll saver for sure!

Love the video found you the other day. Keep the great content coming. 💯 👍 I typically separate my bankroll in sections and count my chips constantly. Yes being a teacher you do learn a ton from your students. Each one teach one.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Do you teach as well?

@jackson711247

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps i did for a couple of years but when covid hit i left the field and now elsewhere.

From the bottom of my pocket thank you very much. You may have saved me so much money 💰🤑.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it's helping. What have you been doing differently?

@yorktownmen6959

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I was putting my winnings on one side of the rack.

When I'm the shooter, I usually just dump the winnings in my rack and organize after the roll. The problem is, I might not know if I've reached my win goal. This is an excellent way to easily keep track of where I am with the money. Thanks for posting!

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Funny, people look at you like "WTF are you doing?" in the casino when you pull out the hammers, and then a minute later they're like "that's genius!" ... I probably left $1k out there in casinos simply because I didn't know where I stood at any one moment.

Very helpful, thank you!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Appreciate you tuning in.

Very efficient and effective method 👍 I must try this and get all my ducks in order. One point you made, definitely applies to me not realizing how much you lost so quickly. Thanks again John! Kindest regards Dan

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy how obsessive you'll get about keeping your rack right once you start down the road of doing it regularly.

@dandvd.472

2 жыл бұрын

We all appreciate you John👍 and when it comes to teaching you're not good, you are very very good🎲🎲👍

This is awesome! I never really thought about how much money you lose at the rack.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty surprising how much just keeping your rack straight can keep you on plan and save the slow bleed.

555 sent me. Keep ‘em coming. Great work.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming. Will keep working on putting out there some hopefully interesting topics

I just ordered some clear Chip Spacers then remembered I have a bunch of the orange bingo chips I bought to use for the ATS, oh well. Thanks for the great advice and content.

@pair-a-dicecraps8618

3 жыл бұрын

The bingo chips were too small in diameter and too thin to work as a spacer. Looking forward to the clear lammers. I also just bought two chip rails from 7OutWoodNC, practice like you play! Thanks again.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are pretty skinny. You will love the lammers. Funny people next to you at the tables and the dealers give you funny looks at first when you set up. You tell them and these big “ah-ha” eyes start showing up.

Genius! Also came to this channel from color up

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it. Honestly I used to use white chips. But then I got old. The spacers are so much more obvious to me now. Glad to have you aboard!

Color up sent me. Loved this video

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I actually just got a box of customized spacers in the mail today. Glad to have you aboard

good video JC Welcome to Craps Nation buddy

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to be a part of the family.

Good info

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Welcome to Craps nation. I like the rack mgt. I’ve got a similar approach

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for welcoming me in. What do you do differently?

@Kevin-TurtlesMidnightCraps

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I don’t separate singles for dealer bets and tips. I’m definitely going adopt that. Like you I keep my starting bank roll in one quadrant and move from there to my bets per shooter like you do. I keep track of the collect and press box numbers by having 6 dollar chips in the rack representing each of the box number. When a box number is rolled I rotate the corresponding chip up and down in the rack to remind me when to press or collect. I use a horizontal and vertical position for my profit bankroll. Similar to what you do with you clear lammers. I like that idea - gonna steal it!!

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kevin-TurtlesMidnightCraps I try and use the lammers as counters too, because they're small. But I saw the VDC video where he does the Press/Press/Collect with the chips horizontally and different colors. Sounds like you do something similar. Stealing that!

I like the spacers.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

White chips work too, but I like being able to get my fingers in there and pull up the next shooter quicker.

I do something like this, I have used the white chips as dividers ( when I have at least 10 of them) or I will place (depending on the denomination but putting the in increments of $25 or $100) 1st set on the edge, 2nd set laying flat, 3rd on its edge and so forth this way I have accountability of my bank roll

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I did that for years. It then I got old and the chips all started looking alike. So the move to the lammers was such a great visual for me.

I came up with a similar system using a 2 well chip rail over the years. My Quads are: Top Left=Buy-in; Top Right=any chips taken off of the table(Bets and Wins); Bottom Left= 1/2 of chips from Top Right(to be used for betting); Bottom Right= 1/2 of chips from Top Right(Bank/pocket).

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That's smart. As long as you know where your $$ is and what's coming home with you, you're golden!

Another subscriber thanks to 555s.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Welcome to Craps nation, great Video like the presentation subbed

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! I've got about 10 more in the hopper. Just doing some editing. Learning a lot as I go here.

@jbcraps

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps We are all here to help thats whats so great about our group!!

Thanks for the video. Great! What's happening is John wants to be comfortable/vision of bankroll throughout his gambling session. People usually say 10-20 units of table minimum or shooter minimum in John's case. Ideally (big if in reality) you would like to maintain that leverage from the 1st hand to close to end. All other information are extra/optional. Also if you are very near to end your gambling session or lets say just couple more shooters left before you want to take a break you can stop your money management work. Lol! No real value at that time. But thanks for the idea again and the concept behind it!!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect summarization! I use my rack as an information tool as much as a place to simply hold my chips for me.

@bala44134

2 жыл бұрын

Almost forgot to share that I am a messy rack kind of guy. You already know why or when it happens. I follow a two rounds as my limit as against setting money aside per roll. That's my generality on a so so to decent table. Any thing better or more than that totally depends on my chips.

Awesome method! Do you always wait for a roll to finish when your near your win goal or do you count what’s on the felt and come down and cash out once you cross your win goal?

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

I generally go with a planned $ per shooter, and I never pull from bankroll during a hand. So what I do is let each hand resolve itself (point made or 7) and then do a quick eval. If my bankroll was depleted, I see immediately if I can replenish it to get back to square. There are times, where, say, I'm down a full shooter and the person rolling is crushing it and I'm really up, what I'll do is refill bankroll right away, and then see where I am. If I'm still in that front rack with a full shooter, I go pretty hard, because that's all profit and he's still going. There are times where that is > 20%. I will almost always pull that aside, and say "I have a full bankroll, I have a full 20% (goal reached), and now all of this is what I'm pegging them on" and then I will go double-tap into a lux for as long as it takes, knowing I'm solid.

Generally have a one day session. If Im way up I may layover for a second day....Generally buy in for 2K to 2500 most tables in my area are $15 mins......I tip play for dealer alot, as well as make Horn or CE bets on comeout and cover any Even point on Hardwy for 5..maybe add $1 on each hard for dealer....Generally start with lightside min strategies inside...collect one or two then press and expand if shooter is apparently hot....how would you approach that kind of rack management to start?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing I'd do is divide the rack into exactly what I need (and will stick to) for each shooter. If that means: $6 inside for the dealers $4 Horn $5 Hardway $15 Don't Pass $66 Inside That means $96 per shooter. I'd divide my rack into 20 slots of $100 with a $2000 buy-in. Now, you get to go for it 20 times Don't dip back in for more during a shooter's run. If they knock you off the don't, then let them come out and work your remaining place bets. Be disciplined, if that's the way you're playing it. Where folks get sideways is when they lose a bet and dig right back in and replace or chase it ... unless you're playing a ladder or a 3 point molly, you should never go back to your bankroll stack unless there's a new shooter coming out. Just my $.02

So what do you do when a shooter leaves? Or a new one comes in? Do you take away or add one of those stacks?

Absolutely great 👍 thank you for sharing. There’s so much BS on you tube, this is a gem. Where did you buy the spacers?

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. I try and be as no-nonsense as I can and not try and just do a video "just because" ... hopefully I'll keep improving. I got mine on Amazon, but there's some gambling specific sites that sell them too. www.amazon.com/dp/B002RZWOAA/?coliid=I3E51Y1V38UKLF&colid=SW8GVGCZPFVV&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

@dand.2082

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I finally used the spacers today for the first time. I loved it. With one easy look I can easily tell how much I’m up. Great system, again thanks for sharing it.

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome!

Jon, do you think a casino would have any problem with someone using real quarters or half dollars in place of the plastic lammers? I already have the coins and don’t want to have to order the clear lammers if I don’t need them. I’ve never tried putting real money in my chip rack before so I don’t know how casinos feel about it.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all. I've heard from several folks that do exactly that. The big thing to me is that they're smaller than the chips, so you can easily get your fingers between them, and the separation is wide enough to see down in there when you glance down.

Hey John - 555 sent me over..... I see the Seahawk on the wall behind you, if you're in the PNW where do you play? I'm in Olympia

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

I'm up in Lynnwood. Play a lot at Angel of the Winds in Arlington ($5 hard surface table). Haven't played at EQC yet. Last time I was there during covid it was closed.

I do almost the same thing but those spacers I never thought of. Well, Amazon, here we come. Good stuff John

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Literally life changing for us old guys. Makes it so easy to look down and see your rack status. The spaces are so obvious

What is a good bankroll to take with you

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

For me, I have a separate bank account where I put money that I'm willing to gamble with (lose) that's separate from my normal accounts to pay bills with. From that account, I take up to (but no more than) 10% with me to the casino. With that, I decide what strategy best fits the bankroll that I'm bringing. There have been times where that 10% $200, and times where that was $1000. And I play differently with each bankroll, because the bankroll dictates how aggressive you can be.

🎯👍

Are your acrylic spacers clear or are they now painted black?

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

I commissioned new ones from Spinettis Gaming that have my logo on them. They're black and white and have nice rounded edges. But the clear ones from Amazon are excellent

Great video,, I am planning to make a video on the way I do rack management .kinda the same with a twist. I'll let you know when I post. Would love your feedback. Thanks for the content.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to that! I’ve planning on re filming this one. It was the first video I ever made. Like the message but cringe when I watch it!

Why do you have Big 6 and 8 on your layout?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That’s my old green layout. It’s a generic one that I bought a couple of years ago on Amazon. My new layout is custom and does not have that net on it

Why do you make bets for the dealers?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Dealers, like waitstaff, make only minimum wage and depend on Tips for the majority of their salary. They provide a service and I appreciate the skill it takes to do it well, as well as the thick skin you have to have to survive in a customer facing role like that. I worked for tips in restaurants most of my younger life, so I know what it's like, and therefore I set aside a portion of my entertainment money for the night for them.

@jimklemens5018

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Wouldn't it make sense to simply give them the tip and tell them to put it in their toke box?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimklemens5018 I have debated this over and over. The short answer is an absolute YES. You want to make sure they drop the tip. But they also love the game and I find that enrolling them in the action helps them be a part of things and makes things generally more fun. I find that lately, I bet for them only when I shoot, and only a small amount that I can press them if we're winning ... so that I have a guaranteed toke for them at the end. I know people that pre-tip. But I do like to base it somewhat on their level of service as well.

@jimklemens5018

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Have you considered giving them $5 and telling them to drop it in their toke box and also putting them up for $4 inside or $6 across?

@CasinoGamingTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimklemens5018 I generally bet $4 inside for them, player control, and have them collect first, then press-collect-press-collect. If they don't get to $5 collected, I drop them the nickel (so it costs me more) ... I have a couple of great friends that deal. Let me pose the question directly.

And I might need your programming skills. Drop me a line

@ProCraps

3 жыл бұрын

You can contact me through the About page on the site, it'll let you email me.

@yorktownmen6959

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Understood