This is fascinating, and certainly has my mind spinning. I hadn't used the horn with my iron crosses before. Thank you.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's an interesting twist on it. Doesn't always work, but those double payments are nice when they come.

Very well explained. Thanks for putting that video together John.

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I was looking for some strategies for my next battle strategy series which will pit Darkside/Lightside-heavy Hybrid strategies against each and this popped up. I love this video-it introduced me to playing the horn! Thanks, John!

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

The horn bets kinda suck, unless you use them tactically like this.

@oldbaycraps

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Funny, I really only play a C&E at the casino on Come out rolls now.

Wow John. Just wow. Very well thought out and superbly explained. Great vid bud. 👌

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! I enjoy digging into different options with these things. And of course, since I filmed that one, I've already got some more and better options for it. (Nice Win in Jeff's Challenge, BTW)

@celticcraps

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps let's see the other options. Thanks on the 15 roll comment. Was definitely a great run

Thank you John, this triggered an idea in my head on a way to play the Iron cross

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Now I'm curious. So long as we're getting out of the hand quickly and not wasting those field wins, I'm always looking for more creative ways to play these things.

@SideshowGamble

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I'm going to roll it out, and really not sure how fast we can get out with my thought, but im gonna find out lol

love the strategy, although the max odds on a $50 don't pass would be $300 not $180 on a point 6 (assuming a 3x/4x/5x odds), 6x the bet. 300 / 6:5 payout = 250 + 50 don't pass pay = total 300 for a 7 out.

John, Just stumbled across you channel. Great explanation! Very interesting strategy. I can't wait to roll it out here at home.Thanks

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! I go live every morning at 8am pacific. Hop on in, the chat's pretty active. Would love to hear how it did for you.

I truly believe that you need some sort of aggressive iron cross strategy to win consistently because you can never tell the box numbers are hot or cold. I really appreciate the fact that you play down the don’t pass win on the 3 to prove the point of the strategy. Most people would make a big deal on that win to make the strategy look good. All strategies work until they don’t because of the sequence of the dice. The key is to find one that has a better chance on any given day. Thanks for the video.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would much rather have won on the Don't pass instead of the Hard 6 as well. I guess that proves that sometimes a hedge can work out, but if the 7 had come there instead, it would have proven the "why" behind building up all of those odds from the wins. The iron cross can only win if you're aggressive with it early, I believe that sincerely. Thanks for watching!

Beautiful. I could have used this last month.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Going to keep on tweaking it. I'm still not a huge Iron Cross fan, but you gotta be aggressive with it if you do play it.

Hit & Go per round, before the Dragon comes out..✍🏻

Moving into the don't come @14:19 Nice! Just subscribed

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I love finding ways to transition my play. Or at least knowing where those opportunities are. Welcome aboard! We do a daily live show. Hope to see there

Great video John. I personally dont like the base iron cross at all....I do like the press mentality and the parlay/reinvest of the field wins....very strategic and thoughtful...many ways to reinvest the field...definitely play to the feel of the table. You are crushing it man!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

The base Iron Cross is a long term loser. You have to have a plan to get out of it quick and onto bigger and better things ... OR ... like I'm doing here, make better use of your wins. Thanks!

Really Enjoyed This Strategy! Big Fan Of The Iron Cross ✝️

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! I'm not a huge fan of the Iron Cross, but when I play it, this is how I go. I think that full pressing those box numbers 3x and moving the field to the DC is the power move here.

John, I love this strategy when I shoot. I throw a 2V set and hit outside and horn numbers. I have lost on my long rolls playing 44 inside and started winning consistently when i changed to Iron cross. I still play 44 inside on shooters I trust. The field isn't a bad bet if you can find a 3x pay on 12.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That ... as well as using an even more aggressive progression in the field, like a 1-3-2 or something. Catch 3 in a row to win 6 units is a good thing. That'll pay for your 4, 9, 10 in one hit.

Love the strat! If you can please include starting bank roll and show progression on a start of each live roll just so we can get the idea just a little more! Thanks!!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

For sure. I'll be doing some more live rolls of this in a few night time live episodes coming up so that we can see all of the options at work.

I have moved away from the horn and into the C&E. Easier on the dealers, so it doesn't slow the game down. Pays the same when you play the horn the way you do, however, you don't lose as much when it hits (you have less losers). Take your 6 bucks and put $2 on the E and $4 on the C.

@Alex-dk4px

2 жыл бұрын

Could you explain the math on this? Newbie here. I thought that the payouts are only 3:1 and 7:1. I’m sure I’m missing something

@markwojtulski74

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-dk4px E pays 15-1 same as the horn. C pays 7-1 roughly half the horn but you have twice as much on it so the same. When you hit a horn number with the horn bet, you have 1 winner and 3 losers. When you hit a horn number with a C&E you have 1 winner and 1 loser. The loser is an extra unit, however, you still don't lose 3 units. It is much quicker for the dealers to pay out. The game can come to a crawl (or stop) when they have to pay multiple people with horn bets.

Thanks for the crossbow. I do like the transition to the dark side. Recommended by Color Up.

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

You can go darkside for sure. Or you can hyper target the field to preaching the place bets. Get out of the field soon as possible! Glad you like it. Good luck

Thanks for info

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

No problem, appreciate your support!

started using chip spacers to space out my bankroll . love it , dealers say "hey how did you get those. did you take from blackjack table "

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome. Now that I have my custom ones, I get less questions like that, but yes, these are actually also good conversation starters.

Start with $100 in the don’t. If you make past the come out (hedge it), you can include the most oft rolled number in the cross. You’ll have to play $15 on the field most places in Vegas.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I've considered that for sure. More likely as a $25 DP with a big lay, and then removing the lay once the strategy gets you to foundation. Short term hedging is a preference for me.

You should try it. With the don’t pass so even big red comes its not a bummer

I love how far you have come. You really have a great grasp on the game. Honestly so few "Craps Players" really have a true understanding of how to win the game.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

That's pretty high praise, Jacob! Thank you.

Very nice John I like this one a lot but like you said you don’t wanna stay in it too long. You definitely want to get out and use your winnings although it’s very tempting to just stay there because it seems like a money maker.It worked out good for me after I practiced it on my homemade table. I’m still playing but I’m up about $355. I’m playing the don’t pass for $25 and your headless horseman with a couple of extra don’t come bets. When the point was 10 I put $100Only because I’m ahead and the odds were good the seven came and won another $50.All in all I really like this strategy thank you much appreciated! Kindest regards dan

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I think there’s still work to be done with it. But I like this as a starting point for sure. It is tempting to stay. But if you watch my practice session you’ll see that when I survive the early 7 … 3 hits and down to a $64 across bet is prett easy

I really like this strategy John. To me, the best part is 3x on the box versus the field. The second best part, is the adaptation of your ding DC and/or the DP. Lastly, the parlay of the field is a monster move that can make up ground quick. Nicely engineered strategy!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Well I did a live practice last night and got hammered! But I threw 7 PS0 which is more than any strategy should be asked to survive. It fought back from zero twice to show a 50%?loss. Happy with that. Will keep at it Thanks, Chris

@thecrapscouple3258

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps sounds like the DP might help with those PSO’s.

I like this a LOT, but what I would do differently is I would not put up the $6 horn bets and instead of pressing immediately, I would collect FIRST and then press every 2nd hit of BOTH whatever box number hit of the 5,6, or 8, and then double-up the field bet on the 2nd win in a row, and then regress back the field bet to $10 if it won for the 3rd time in a row. However, I would just continue collecting and pressing every time an Iron Cross box number hit and ONLY keep pressing THAT number that keeps hitting, and NOT spread to the other 2 remaining Iron Cross numbers, so that when one of those numbers hits that can produce a win of at LEAST $200, then I will just regress back to the original $100 Iron Cross with that 3 to 1 ratio and just repeat that process but this time, just keep on collecting and pressing with ALL gas NO brakes until the seven shows up! This way you already GUARANTEED yourself that $100 profir and can now KICK ASS!!!

@CasinoGamingTV

4 ай бұрын

You should checkout the Red Cross Strategy and see what you think of that version. I like it a LOT better. It actually went 18-2 on our daily paycheck show. Easily the top performer

@JoeFerber

4 ай бұрын

WOW!!!@@CasinoGamingTV

And btw. The horn is hot also. U can't turn ur horn bet off. I Kno u Kno this. For people who don't know how to play. Every time I put money n the horn and the field. The roll counts every time.

Love this to mix things up. JC, how often do you play this strategy or is this to get a quick bump to get the bankroll going? I could see doing this right after a 7-out. Hmm if not waiting until right after a 7, maybe I would hop the 7s instead of the 3 & Yo.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I have done this on bubble craps or if I’m already ahead. But not so much as a go to out the door.

AZ is a proponent of using the horn over the field because the horn costs less and wins more vs field only 1:1

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Think of the horn in chunks. 5 horn losses and you're upside down. The field you can catch a little bit of a ride on it and if you do a progression, you can bank up on it. I need to keep tracking it.

@michdax7627

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps granted, the same on the field 5 losses your out those bets. if you are playing the horn from your bankroll, but if your playing the horn from wins. the box numbers pays horn plus profit. horn pays (15 or 30) to 1. field pays 1:1. the horn has the ability to win back loss not guaranteed due to house edge & the house edge on the field is far greater. don't get me wrong. the field can be a well placed bet. the field has a higher cost because $5 wins 5, $3 horn is 1 on the 2,3,12. the 2&12 win 30-2 is $28. the 3 wins 15-2 is $13 . the 5 losses here is $15 on the field those 5 losses is $25

Have you considered implementing the Martindale system with the Field as you play with the cross bow strategy?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not. I'm not a fan of Martingale's in any case, but especially the field. I've seen 10+ no-fields in a row more times than I care to count. That's just to volatile for the reward. A ladder with a parlay, but capped at 5 levels is about as far as I'd go there.

I like this straegy! Going black acknowledges a 7 will be coming along. I think going to the dont pass over the dont come is a wiser move: if for some reason the shoot drags on you stand to lose the dont's whereas the don't pass keeps getting larger--for the eneviable. I didn't quite understand why your max odds on the don't is 180. What multiples of odds are you assuming? Wouldn't a 5 times odds table allow you to back to 200, or perhaps 225 if you're assuming correct odds for the 6 or the 8?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I always go back and forth on DP odds vs DC. I like flat bet payouts vs odds. And I like not having 1 number crush me. But yeah, the long roll just scoops all the DC bets up

going try out crossbow ,looks good and its easy , do you think $2or $3 c/e and parlay to horn it hits (keeps cost down if does not hit)

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

We're thinking $2 on the E and $4 on the C. 11 would pay $26 ($30 - the $4 on the C) 2, 3, 12 would pay $28 ($30 - the $2 on the 11)

Nice strat. A few tweaks here and there and it would be golden. It just takes too many hits to be a good phase 1 strategy. Maybe start with a strong 2-3 hit regression strat and transition into this as phase two with just a little less aggression so you can rack a little on each hit. Maybe a half parlay on the field, instead of pressing the 5 with the 9 after a $50 6/8 win use the extra $25 and a nickel from your rack to grab the 4/10 one hit early then start your butterburg/dc transition. Just my thoughts. Keep doing you! Love it!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I did a practice session last night where it was 3 hits and down to 64 across. Worked well enough but I threw so many PS0 to really get a feel for it

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

One guy suggested C/E instead of the horn. I’m goin to work through the presses some more

@Cannimal

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I always try to design strategies for the worst case scenario with plenty of upside opportunities for the good times. Nothing pisses me off more than having a plan and it going to crap as soon as I get to the table. It happens though, so we have to use that and think of ways to counteract or even profit from them, and I’m not really talking about hedging.

@Cannimal

2 жыл бұрын

Think of more as an if-then statement. Rather than beating against it repeatedly with a hammer, trying to force it in, what other tools can we use?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I tried really hard not to make this one a hybrid. But damn you just get punched in the gut otherwise!

If your playing a Cross with out a dont, you may as well be working, because it doesnt matter which roll it is, you lose the same way

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. I used to wrestle with this a lot, but honestly, if you're not playing the line, the comeout is of no consequence to you, unless you literally want to breathe for a minute and just unplug for a roll or two. But that's a potential wasted roll for you

would this be at the top of your list of plays? If not what is your preferred method? I think transitioning to the don't pass, after a point has been made, is the best--the longer the roll the more likely you'll see the 7

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

This is not my go-to. If I'm really pre-disposed to play right side, I might start here and then transition it into the GOAT or the 4-10 Bank Street strategy, but I don't like staying with a continuous field like that.

Great strategy. I like the 2 hit parley in the field. You had a couple of math errors I think. No one's an Einstein 😅. You woulda done great if you worked the horn bets coming out

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Check out the Crossbow V2 that I just did over @casinogamingtv ... I do a daily paycheck there, and I just ran 5 straight days and about and about 10 sessions with an upgraded version of this. Super aggressive and very very profitable.

So I’ve just run across this video after watching some other craps videos that promote the cross and it’s variants! When I learned to play craps decades ago the very best bets on the table were the pass, come, don’t pass, and don’t come but only if you use full odds. If the dice are with you I have doubled and tripled my initial buy in short order. If the dice are not with you it doesn’t matter what your playing. It seems like you are trying to get your bets covered and play with the house’s money. That fine but your not making money unless your taking it off the table. The table swings and if you stay long enough it will bite you. At least that’s the way it used to be, what changed?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing's really changed, but people like to have some choice in their game. I think that the Iron Cross gives folks a sense of control and every roll is a payout for them, even if diminished. This game has 1,000 ways to approach it, which makes both amazing and highly dangerous. I've talked ad nauseum about playing with "house money" and the dangers of thinking that and not realizing that it's yours.

Iron cross is best when a field shooter is up

Do field bets follow the puck or are they always on?

@ProCraps

3 ай бұрын

They are always on.

Same betting the field after a double hit and hitting again nets 30 not 20. (11:30)

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Going too fast bites me more often than I care to admit…

Nice content John however this strategy works only on hot tables.

@ProCraps

11 ай бұрын

Very true. The Iron Cross, even when played aggressively like this, requires 5+ box hits or consecutive fields to get you going.

What do you have for a beginner low risk. bubble craps

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, the $66 permanent press works great on bubble craps, but scaled way back to $1 bets instead of $15 bets. With a $100 or $200 bankroll - $1 on each of the 5, 6, 8, 9 Every win, press them each $1 It'll cost you $3 additional to make the first press, $2 additional the 2nd, and then after that, all of your presses are paid for by profits After your 3rd hit in profit, you'll have doubled your investment. If you ever 7 out, start all your bets over from where you left off.

My experience with craps is that MOST people SUCK and they are RANDOM shooters and they 7-out VERY quickly, so I would rather just use the Iron-cross for just 2-3 rolls MAX PER person and then when it comes to YOUR turn to shoot, you can invest MORE on yourself and keep up the Iron-cross longer - depending on how confident you are with your rolls - and then take it down or call it OFF when you fell it's appropriate and then just try to make your point of if you 7-out, just make sure that you make MORE money when that happens, compared to how much you have invested on your Pass line bet and odds bet!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

On other shooters, I tend to lean more on the don’t than an iron cross variant. This is a great option when your playing with teammates that you trust

where did you get your chip racks

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

From Donald Denny at 7outwoodnc on Etsy - www.etsy.com/shop/7OutWoodNC

How does the $6 horn bet work? Isn't it $2 each? (New)

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's $1 on the 2, $1 on the 12, and $2 each on the 3 and 11. Each of those pays $30 minus the others. So, for example: 2 = $30 win minus the $2 on the 3, $1 on the 12 and the $2 on the 11, so the net is $25 I only do this 3 times or so. Any more and you bleed too much but it's nice when you double up on this with the field.

Love the strategy, what if instead of investing 25 on 5 I do $6 on any five? it will be a lower investment of total 81 instead of 101

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

That's what the Hawaiian Craps Shooters and Craps Hawaii call the "EZ" version of the Iron Cross. It works, but remember that on every single Hop Bet, you're donating that money if you don't get the hit. So it can be a real bleed.

@timmyz1069

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Thank you! ah yes you are right. I saw that with HCS.

If I can find a table that can last 3 rolls I would be a millionaire. It’s always 2nd roll PSO… now your down $110, now u need a 6 roll to recoup. Another PSO on 2-6 rolls you need 10 roll shooter to break even. U start doing don’t pass iron cross…with $60 don’t pass.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

You get them ... a good strategy is strong early (survives and profits in rolls 1, 2, 3 no matter what) and can profit in the long term as well. This one has a ton of 7 volatility, but knowingly so. I purposefully didn't add a Don't Pass component to this to keep it as a high earning potential play, but as you point out, there's a good argument to be made for it.

Doesn’t the house edge kill you from the start? You say just a few rolls. It’s the same bad odds isn’t it???

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

The house edge will eat you up over time. In the very short term, you'll run into it of course, as it's there in every bet. but it's so much worse when you continue to feed it. That's why I only take 3 cracks at the horn, and after any 3 hits on field or box numbers I'm out of the field and into other moves.

point 7, then point point 7

How much should I bring into the game

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

For this one, it takes $106 + an additional $12 to have enough to play this on one shooter. Generally, we recommend you bring enough to last you in the worst case of 10 shooters going with an immediate 7 out. So, that would mean a minimum of $1180 to work this at this level in the casino. I did this at a $10 table, so the bets were $10 in the field and $25/$30/$30 on the 5, 6, and 8 If you can find a $5 table, you can cut that all in half and go with $5 in the field and $15/$18/$18 on the 5, 6, 8 and probably just do a $2 any craps bet. This way it costs $57 to do it per shooter, so $570 or $600 buy-in If you want to go nuts and run this at a higher level, you could work this with $25 in the field and $75/$90/$90 on the 5, 6, 8, and $12 for the horn (times 3), so that would be $291, so you'd need around $3k at that level. If you have $3k to buy in with, there's better strategies to play that can take more advantage of those deep pockets. Hope that helps!

Hey, Bud. Wats Krak'n. U Kno the field is always on. Right. U Kno there is no off or on n the field. That money n the field is always live. Puck off or on.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Often in my videos, I'll set my bets out while the puck is off mainly as a time saver. It can be confusing on bets like the field or the horn where they're always on, but that's the reason I do that. Need to get better at calling that out. Thanks!

@alduff229

Жыл бұрын

In your demonstration video you had no come out 7s I can remember but many horn hits. 11s and craps numbers. Working bets would of been paid

For the Horn bet, why not just do $2 on the 11 and $4 on the Any Crap - pays $26 no matter what...

@ProCraps

10 ай бұрын

That is an option we tried in one of our practice sessions. It works great and it's a little bit simpler.

I Think you have been watching some Hawaiian's play craps??? Building your 4,9,10 is were you move to first because it's your best option. You will get paid in two places if or when they hit. Your 3 to 1 ratio is spot on but add into your Crossbow keep the ratio until you / who ever is rolling 7 out. Example 60 to 20, 90 to 30 120 to 40 and so on..........

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I've tried it that way, but I'm not looking to double up on field wins. In fact, I'm looking to get out of the field as fast as possible. In reality, the Crossbow should be a 3 or 4 hit max strategy. Build up the 5, 6, 8 maybe grab a field parlay and then transition right out of it. After a hit on a built-up 5, 6, or 8, then I'll spread out, but I really look at this as a short term play. That field bleed is real unless you parlay (and hit) it

Horn bet is a sucker bet.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

99% of the time, absolutely. Just chucking $4 bucks out there at random is foolish. When you use it for a very limited number of times as part of a gap filler in a strategy, it’s still a terrible bet. But you just a little bit better about it ;)

@brandojohnsa360

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps lol yeah I usually only chuck money at the stick man as tips.

I think would skip the horn bets completely.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I have gone back and forth on it, but I hit them enough that the double action with them and the field ends up earning over time for me.

Man, hard to follow. I'll just put $100 on the pass or DP and double up real quick

Like the strategy. But it has flaws. You need to work the field on come out. Any win in field move profit to same box number rolled instead of parlay. Your losing out on money that way.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest ... the Iron Cross is itself a fatally flawed strategy no matter what we do to it. I think, as you point out here, that the key to making it suck less is to make the field wins work for you. Whether it's a parlay, grabbing box numbers, or moving to the DC, you have to reinvest those wins smartly or you'll bleed to death.

You got an 11 field win… that you said that was off??

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Was it a come out?

@traemcpherson7266

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Yea. Every craps table I’ve played, the field is always on, regardless of the puck. Even if it’s not part of your intended flow, it’s still an effect to have the field active on a come out roll, for the strat.

@traemcpherson7266

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I did enjoy this video. It’s a fun strategy. I do enjoy the idea of taking field wins into odds on the dark side.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

@@traemcpherson7266 one of the things I often do in practice is to set up all of my bets ahead of time and then just go with the puck. Time saver. But not clear for the viewer

At 9:26 you never take the Field and horn loss from your $42 win.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Ah ... missed it while talking. Not sure if it's clear, but these are filmed live and cut from a live stream, so mistakes are absolutely part of the mix. Thanks for catching it!

@Dr_S

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps No worries... Would love to see you explore the Stearn 3.0

@CasinoGamingTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr_S What's the 3.0? Different than the standard Stern 1-1-1-1-2-2-4-4-8-8 progression?

@Dr_S

2 жыл бұрын

25 if you hit you rack $25 if not you move to next bet 25 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 25 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 35 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 45 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 60 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 80 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 110 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 145 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 195 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 260 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 345 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 460 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 615 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not move to next bet 825 if you hit you parlay, if you hit again you star over from the beginning. If not you have had a bad day… come back tomorrow and do it again! Would love to see you give it a try The plan is to win $500 and walk way call that a session, do that 2 or 3 times a day and vacation is paid for.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr_S I'm on it ... I did a series a while back on these betting progressions and worked through the stern 2.0 (and actually lost my whole bankroll while filming!). Open to giving it a shot.

Adding the field to any strategy is a bad move The field is a cash cow for the casino 5% VIG plus 20 ways to lose 16 ways to win

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's not great. But this strategy uses it only in the short term to get us to a point where we're playing something else entirely. The goal is not to waste rolls on the way to a new foundation. There's some tweaks there to be made for sure.

I place $10 on the 5 and $12 on the 6 and 8 and then place $7 in the field. I only allow two rolls on each dice shooter. This crap system has made me more money consistently than any other crap system that I played. I only play until I make $75 or $100 and then leave the casino for the day.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Good discipline always wins in the long term! I do prefer a higher ratio from the box, but if that works then keep rocking it

@Mc.flyyy11

2 жыл бұрын

Do you work your come outs?

@amphibdriver1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mc.flyyy11---I only work my come outs when I set my dice before I through them.

the only thing iron cross is good for is 2 hits then go eat a discount breakfast.

@ProCraps

3 ай бұрын

Truth. But at high levels it's an amazing 2 hits and go the hell home way to get it done.

Just ran the numbers and this is actually a worse strategy than Iron Cross. The extra expense of the horn bet is actually just concentrating the win potential of the Field bet into the rarer rolls. This causes the 4, 9, and 10 to perform about 2.6x WORSE in exchange for a 13% chance to roll a 2 or 12. But here's the catch: You need to roll 2 or 12 at least 4 times to break even the whole bet. That's 4 times BEFORE THE 7 COMES OUT which is 1:6 times. Basically, you need to roll 5, 6, 8, 2, or 12 at least 3 - 4 times per 6 rolls to break even the whole bet. With these rates, this betting strategy requires about 7 successful rolls to break even the whole bet, but the 7 shows up every 6 rolls. With the original iron cross allowing the fields full potential, it requires about 5 successful rolls to break even the whole bet. A 5/9 strat can break even in 3 - 4 successful rolls and a general 5x better return rate

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

The whole point of those horns is to hit a home run if you catch one. The real difference here is that I’m being more aggressive with the 5,6,8 and reinventing the field in better ways. The 3:1 ratio gets you out of the hand in 4 rolls, not 8

Can u stop beating the horse...I mean u repeat and repeate and repeate..the same strategy...but its still worth the wait

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

There's no "fixing" the Iron Cross. It's a bad strategy. But I get why people love it. I think the point of this video is to hammer in 2 points: 1. Use a 3:1 ratio box to field 2. Use the field wins to press and grow the box That's it. Never collect the field and pray for a good roll