They are completely taking Bastian's words out of context. He isn't blaming Pep, he is blaming Germany for trying to immitate Pep's style and going away from what they do best

@santiagoch2451

10 ай бұрын

Whatever gets more clicks i guess

@prodigalfraudaddy

10 ай бұрын

They won playing like pep

@solenstyle

10 ай бұрын

@@prodigalfraudaddy Did they? Heynckes' Bayern were amazing in possession and on the counter attack.

@finalfrontier001

10 ай бұрын

​@@solenstylePep played with inverted fullback Philip Lahm. Unless you can show where Philip Lahm destroyed the formation of the German team the argument carries no weight.

@faddy24

10 ай бұрын

If I was given a £1 for everybody who took my words the wrong way or out of context I'd be a millionaire.

His comments aren’t blaming Pep Guardiola. On the contrary, he’s complimenting Pep’s influence. He’s just saying the Germans lost their way

@lesleyselahle3131

10 ай бұрын

Correct👌

@HN-zw5gp

10 ай бұрын

You think those Clown there acting as Pundits have the Brains to Comprehend that?? And They're getting paid to be Dumb on TV.

@rockydongre

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Tbh the entire espn fc panel is devoid of intellect. They might be good players in their time but surely don’t have the intellect to decipher even basic things

@abongwewara1799

10 ай бұрын

Can you tell me how saying Pep is to blame for Germany’s failure is complimenting Pep?

@axels9179

10 ай бұрын

@@abongwewara1799 He wasn't saying Pep is to blame. He said Germans trying to emulate what they think was Peps style have moved them away from their previous core values, and made both the players and teams alot poorer.

I like how they make up stories that Schweinsteiger accuses Pep for the bad run of Germany. He just said that managers in Germany were too obsessed with Pep‘s football style and then forgetting about the own strengths. For example it shows in the lack of developing of real strikers. Real reason is the abysmal dealings of the German FA in every category

@Eyeyorot

10 ай бұрын

Still got nothing to do with Pep

@oatb

10 ай бұрын

And he is right, espn fc reading comprehension fail

@skullfc4215

10 ай бұрын

What do you expect from pundits, that's basically they're job

@BR-lx7py

10 ай бұрын

It's offseason, so they have to manufacture controversy.

@np8820

10 ай бұрын

He said the idiotic comment, own it. Keep pep out of it.

Can’t believe the panel totally missed Schweinsteiger‘s point, he isn’t criticizing Pep at all, he is criticizing the fact that in Germany they lost sight of what made them strong by trying to copy Pep‘s style playing without a real number 9

@jeffreydenniston1827

10 ай бұрын

Agree. Look at Chelsea under TT. Champion League winning goal with Timo and Kai but both are not a 9

@videokingrsyd

10 ай бұрын

At bayern munich Pep uses Lewandoski as number 9

@axels9179

10 ай бұрын

@@videokingrsyd but Pep still made Bayern a weaker side. Heynecks made Bayern into the best European side by a country mile, with back to back UCL finals and a glorious win in 12/13 season. Pep failed at Bayern, and both they and the rest of the German teams regressed under his tenure. Yes, Bayern had Lewandowski and he brought up some great players, but going from back to bakc finals and then getting slapped against Real Madrid in the semis in 13/14, getting crushed by Barcelona in the semis in 14/15 and scrapping through (needing penalties against Juventus) before getting knocked out by Atletico Madrid in the semis in 15/16 truly shows how Bayern regressed under Pep, even though they had Lewandowski excelling as their striker... The biggest problem was that Pep moved Bayern away from their deadly counter-attacks and fast play, prefering his snoozefest of tiki-taka ball. That hurt Bayern and that hurt Bundesliga over the coming years as it influenced what kind of players got developed. After Klose Germany have struggled without a proper no. 9, and have (always) lacked attacking RB and LBs even though they tried to emulate that kind of football at the national level. Add in midfielders more wanting the ball in their legs and slowing down the attack and you get Germanys problem in the last few tournaments. In 2018 they lacked goal scorers, so coulded score against Mexico and got 1 goal against them on a counter. They again struggled to score against Sweden but Kroos goal in extra time somehow saved them and against South Korea they again let themselves get counterattacked and letting in 2 goals in extra time. In 2020 they still lacked goal scorers. Losing on an own goal 1-0 against France, demolishing Portugal 4-2 and struggling to get a 2-2 against Hungary, before getting knocked out by England in the round of 16. And guess what, in 2022 they again lacked goal scorers. Losing in the final 15 min after being just 1-0 up against for the whole game against Japan, getting a 1-1 draw against Spain (Füllkrug coming on an scoring 83' min) before winning 4-2 against Costa Rica and getting knocked out on goal difference. It has never really been about poor defending, but a mainly a great gaping hole after Klose and lack of attacking midfielders using their speed and skill to attack the goal. And the lack og strikers and attacking midfielders is in large part down to wanting to emulate Peps possession based style of football. A style he has more and more moved away from at City (also a team that really struggled to succeed in the UCL), especially now when he has Haaland.

@finalfrontier001

10 ай бұрын

​@@axels9179Bracelona never crushed by Munich they beat Barcelkna at home whilst having 6 injuries. Real Madrid was the only team that beat Bayern on level playing field even though the ref cheated in first leg.

@finalfrontier001

10 ай бұрын

​@@axels9179Man City sti play has possession based footba you are lying making stuff up. You are a troll.

wow they rly didnt understand what Schweinsteiger was saying lol. He doesnt blame Pep he blames the following coaches who tried to imitate pep but werent good enough

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings

10 ай бұрын

Before Pep - Germany sh&t at WC During Pep - Germany won WC After Pep - Germany sh&t at WC That's why emulating Pep?🤔

@spemhaen142

9 ай бұрын

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Sh?t before in WC? Well, if semis in 2010, semis in 2006, finals in 2002 is sh?t for you, then you either have really high standards or don‘t know what you are talking about.

Craig...use your brain mate. He is not blaming it all on Pep. Germany benefited from Pep however you have to admit that the identity of German football has gone. Its more about the identity of German football and less about Pep.

@steve13191

10 ай бұрын

Optimistic if you assume craig has brains 😂

@emmanuelabuchi6489

10 ай бұрын

Schweinsteiger didn't state his point clear. You have to at least agree with this. What he said could be 100% interpreted the way they interpreted it.. 4:55 clearly states this.

Theese people are crazy they be saying schweinsteigr is a nobody. He is one of the best midfielder for germany and. bayern! He won the ucl!!! He won the world cup!!! He did it all and contributed alot to!

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings

10 ай бұрын

Before Pep - Germany sh&t at WC During Pep - Germany won WC After Pep - Germany sh&t at WC Germany due to Pep - declined,won?🤔

@BFG_10G

10 ай бұрын

This is why I hate the idiots at ESPN.

What’s funny is that When Germany won the World Cup in 2014, Pep was at Bayern😂😂😂

@ultimategamer8330

10 ай бұрын

Same with when Spain won in 2010 he was at barcelona.

@chriskey7440

10 ай бұрын

And they won playing non-Pep style football. Pep had nothing to do with Germany's success, nor with their demise.

@BC-mj7gj

10 ай бұрын

@@chriskey7440 Likewise he has nothing to do with their failure

@vik24oct1991

10 ай бұрын

@@chriskey7440 beating brazil 7-1 did look like pep style football, most of the squad was also from bayern, most of the bayern players credit pep for improvement in their game and improving their understanding of the game, so I would say he had a significant impact just like he had at spain, its basically the fact that barcelona and bayern made the core of the spain and germany teams and pep was the coach for those players.

@gigaboy981

10 ай бұрын

Facts, even kroos was very close to pep and he helped kroos become a better player before he joined Madrid.

the reading comprehension from Craig is abysmal. He's not blaming Pep, he's just saying everyone too focused on that style because Pep was so successful but this has made other core German values to be diminished

@tumiitumeleng2740

10 ай бұрын

Thats exactly what he is saying my friend learn to read between the lines

@monsieurcherry

10 ай бұрын

Focusing too much on pep’s “style” of football isn’t why Germany has been poor lol. Look at the current squad and compare it to 2014-2016. It’s about lack of talent, not diminished “core German values”

@PharmacyAve

10 ай бұрын

Facts man people are too soft now a days

@RedMan-yx2pz

10 ай бұрын

Either way what schweinsteiger said is ridiculous

@damioncouture1211

10 ай бұрын

That's what i got from it

Pep manages Barca - Spain wins world cup and Dominate Europe for 4 years Pep manages Bayern - Germany wins World cup 😂 Pep manages City - England reaches finals in Euros 2020 Yeah it's totally Pep's fault that Germany is a FAILURE now 😂

@ethanjohnson6861

10 ай бұрын

He's not saying it's peps fault, he's saying the style of play was to attracting to germans

@ethiozare8001

10 ай бұрын

Pep was managed Bayern 2014. That year Germany won World cup. He never influence within 9 months. That Germany team collection golden generation. Please stop exaggerated! Pep paycheck manager.

@thedecider4755

10 ай бұрын

@@ethiozare8001Pep is a what?

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

@@ethiozare8001 Germany definitely played Pep football in 2014. Pep had been at Bayern for a year. It won them the World Cup. They need to evolve the style as Pep himself keep evolving.

A month ago they agreed Pep has influenced European football and the way it’s played and today they don’t see Bastians point? Lack of critical thinking Germany had their own identity, they were physically, tactically intelligent and technical they’ve lost themselves chasing Pep type of players suited for Barcelona. He’s 100% right!

@sanjith619

10 ай бұрын

Was Pep the manager of Germany from 2018 to 2022?

@user-bu5fw2nl2m

10 ай бұрын

@@sanjith619 you still dont get it. Technically most coaches today wants to play that system and wen a team is not built for that system its fails. I watch the Italians play, I watch the English, and even more the spanish is the same system all over europe. Now when a coach or an idea is not inherent then expect failure. Its really affecting these teams.

@noname-ot7vd

10 ай бұрын

Pep destroyed football bro.

@sanjith619

10 ай бұрын

@@user-bu5fw2nl2m Pep isn't holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to play that way. The other coaches have a choice, and if they choose to play a certain way even when their team isn't suited for it, then this on the coaches, not Pep

@langletprolet8378

10 ай бұрын

@@sanjith619 You still don't get it. None of us blamed Pep, neither did Schweinsteiger. In fact we praise with how much he influences European football.

He's not blaming him, this really speaks to how influential Pep is. What a legend.

Schweini is right about this, Germany was known fighting football , I remember my Dad always call the national team The German Machine

Its just peps fault hes a great manager. Heck he even got klopp to copy him a bit this season and thats one tuff nut to crack

@smithwerben1058

10 ай бұрын

I think he's right he doesn't blame pep but he blames everyone else for trying to be like pep witch I understand 💯

He's not lying honestly...now everybody and every team wants to pass... Thats why Liverpool stands out

He’s blaming Pep’s influential style. It’s the furthest thing from the German-style that was highly effective

Pep in Barca, Spain won world cup, Pep in Bayern, Germany won in 2014, Pep in England, they reached the finals in Euros and made to quarter finals...each team mainly consisted of players Pep's managed lol

He just hates Pep for pushing him out of the team at Bayern because he couldn't play beautiful football

One man called Pep wiped off Germany from footballing World. WoW. What utterl nonsense.

If the pundits like Craig and fans would take emotion out of it they would realise there is some bit of truth into what was said. I think in a Pep, Ronaldo, Messi world, the role of traditional in the box number 9 has died. The top teams don't have an Inzaghi anymore. They have been phased out in favour of false 9's and forwards who offer more than just goal scoring. It's like premier league before Jose. Many teams played 2 strikers upfront. But after his success playing one upfront, more teams adopted those tactics. Italy, Spain, Germany, Netherlands are all searching for strikers. Chelsea finished 4th with Jorginho being the top goal scorer with like 7 goals all of which were penalties 3 or so seasons ago. That would never have happened 15 years ago. Even the top goal scorer charts in recent times are full of wide forwards and midfielders. If you look at the top goal scorers in 2000 season, the top 10 all would be number 9's. Contrast that to 2021 were the only strikers in the top 10 were Kane and Vardy. Even how fans look at strikers has changed. When Shearer retired, no one would have argued against him being called an all time premier league great. Now, I see a lot of younger fans who have grown up in this Pep era call him a glorified tap-in merchant with limited skills.

@vik24oct1991

10 ай бұрын

what are lewandowski and haaland then, non traditional number 9, mind you they are top scorers in la liga and epl and ironically one of them plays for pep and another one played for pep and is playing for pep's former team lol.

@JR-sj1jz

10 ай бұрын

​@vik24oct1991 susprised you didn't mention Aguero. Well first thing you forgot to add is that those two plus Aguero are generational world class talent. They aren't just your typical run of the mill striker. Another thing is every time he first linked up with those strikers, the first questions many people asked were if each striker would be able to play in a Pep system or if Pep could accommodate them. Yes you can find seasons were Pep won with strikers. But also you can find seasons were Pep won without a traditional no.9 too. Hence the comment, there is some bit of truth. Key word here is a "bit".

@ishrendon6435

10 ай бұрын

​@@JR-sj1jzno one likes south americans....

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

Lol, Erling Haaland says hello to you. Pep wants strikers who can actually help their team not just wait for tap ins. I think this should be encouraged.

@JR-sj1jz

10 ай бұрын

@nascimentoarantes still doesn't change the fact that the number of quality strikers or the use of strikers dropped dramatically during this era that Pep has dominated whilst we have seen a rise in false 9's. And again Haaland is a generational striker. 99% of strikers out there can't do the things he does.

Gandugan, Sane, Ganabry, Musiala, Krooz… 🤏 Germany is full with amazing forwards & midfield players + majestic coaches, but the issue is obviously the defense line. 😒

@vindre7

10 ай бұрын

I can’t believe you put those names in the same sentence as Kroos. Kroos is to Germany what Pirlo was to Italy. The last of his generation in terms of attacking football. Too bad.

@tallboss4568

10 ай бұрын

Kroos retired internationally

@vik24oct1991

10 ай бұрын

out of those names only gundagon is the only active player who is consistent enough, all of these sanes, gnabries, play well in one match and then drop stinkers in 5 next matches.

@escape2nirvana

10 ай бұрын

@@vik24oct1991nah gundo is trash for the national team always has been, need him to switch to Turkey at this point

@vik24oct1991

10 ай бұрын

@@escape2nirvana well national team football is more about cohesion of the group, that is why germany and spain won , they had the same set of players playing at club level and international, gundo plays in england with non german teammates you wouldn't expect him to do brilliantly with unfamiliar german teammates. Its a common issue with all national teams, if you want to improve your national team you need players who play together at club level, now england has better chance than germany as most english players would play for epl teams, the south american teams suffered a lot during past few world cups due to same reason, all their players are scattered across europe playing in wide range of teams, they never had the cohesion, only argentina mainly due to brilliance of messi was able to overcome that cohesion issue.

It's just that in Germany, now in the academy they look more at technical guys, and not at physical ones. Because the teams are thinking about who can be sold in the future for a large sum, and not who will be useful to the national team.

The problem ain't Pep but some big nations like Germany, Holland and even Italy lack a top quality striker. Quality strikers are in such low stock. Germany have quality players but again haven't had a good striker in almost 10 years since Klose.

The question is why are they not producing that anymore and the simple answer is Peps influence has got all the academy coaches and teams trying to play like Pep. The same happened with Spain and watch how his influence is already getting down the English lower leagues. The reason why Pep is successful and national teams end up not being successful with the same style of play is that Pep has the resources available to buy the best players in the world to play that way while national teams cant do same.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

Lol, Germany won the 2014 World Cup playing Pep football. Spain dominated the game playing the same style. The problem is they are not evolving while Pep keeps evolving his style.

@s.m280

10 ай бұрын

You obviously missed out the fact that when he managed Barca..Spain won the world cup..when he managed bayern..Germany won the world cup..since he has managed city ..England have progressed in tournaments and reached their first final in God knows how many years so your football knowledge is poor..plus just because pep plays a certain way doesn't mean your national team has to try and copy ..that's called weak management you should play to the strength of the players available to you and have your own input

@michaelikoro7305

10 ай бұрын

True

@helmutkolakowski4493

10 ай бұрын

@@s.m280 All the national teams you mentioned winning the world cup hard a core team before he started managing teams in those countries.They had strikers who could score goals and not false 9. Same as England with Harry Kane give me a list of strikers coming out of the Academy system since Pep came to England. It is a matter of time and the true impact of peps game that all the academy’s are adopting will be felt in England same as spain and Germany have since failed to produce due to all the academies playing pep style.

@s.m280

10 ай бұрын

@@helmutkolakowski4493 you are definitely deluded if you think its peps fault that England isn't developing strikers..is he training and scouting for every club in England?like I said stop coping someone who you can't be and have your own style or atleast pick a system that suits the players available for your country

The problem is every countries now a days are improving, even Asian, African countries starts to improve, now Germany, France, Argentina, Brazil, Italy can never rule the worldcup like it once used to be.

@joserivera5007

10 ай бұрын

We have been hearing this since the 90s but that's not the case, yes those countries are getting better but they look better then they are because the big nations have dropped off. Italy hasn't recovered from their 2006 win, France was down for a while too until after 2015 they started to pick up again but from 2006-2015 they were awful. Germany fell off after 2014 and Spain after 2012. Netherlands is still at a decent level but one step lower then what they were in 2010-2014. Brazil went downhill after 2006 and started picking it up after the 2014 world cup, Argentina wasn't anything special either and still isn't but they seem to have a better idea of what they are playing under scaloni.

But Schweinstneiger forgot that it was under pep guardiola at Bayern Munich Germany won their last world cup and reached Euro semi final,it simply means pep made German football stronger during his time in Germany.

Germany won the world cup in 2014, Bayern played 1 season under Pep Guardiola at that time (who coached most players of the German squad). Same incident happed in 2014 for Spain & Barcelona. Germany can say that Pep was their lucky charm.

@TWAvegas

9 ай бұрын

“Most” was only 7 Bayern Players out of 23 German players at the 2014 squad so you’re wrong.

At last, a topic Shaka knows something about! The West Indies cricket team has been (for the last 30 years) what Germany is turning into.

Pep started changing the system by changing roles for guys like Lahm and Kimmich, so to some degree I can understand where his coming from

Tired of hearing how great Pep was at Bayern. He inherited a treble winning side.

@dranthony1882

10 ай бұрын

They should win trebles every season?

@michaelikoro7305

10 ай бұрын

True

Going by this logic i gues Pep is a WC winner as well since most of the important key players in that 2010 spain squad where Barcelona players (villa, pedro, xavi, iniesta, busqutes, pique, puyol)

😂😂😂 Funny thing is that Basti just says that imidating Peps style and Expectation of short and nice passes is the reason of Germany. Where he blame PEP for that.

@mariowanagat1412

10 ай бұрын

Is nothing negative about Pep, everyone respect Pep. You can’t understand what he means (Basti) if you’re not German.

I agree with both Craig and Schweinsteiger. Both things can be true at the same time. Bastian is right in saying that Germany changed their style which is more Pep influenced than the traditional German style. And Craig is right in saying that Germany isn't producing enough talent. Their defenders are mediocre when compared other top nations and they lack strikers which was never the case before. From Gerd Muller, Voller, Klinsmann, Bierhoff, Klose and Podolski. Germany always at least 1 or 2 top strikers at their disposal. Currently they have an elite midfield and good wingers and keepers. I also think Germany have underachieved though. Even though their squad isn't perfect their midfield is elite. And midfield is the most important area. Look at Croatia who have made two deep runs in the last 2 World Cups mostly off the back of their midfield. Croatia's defense didn't have many big name. Only Gvardiol in this past World Cup was a big name and even he's mostly a talented prospect at this point. Only been on the scene a couple of years. Their wingers weren't anything special in Perisic and Rebic. Mandzukic was a good striker but he didn't even play at the last WC and even when he was still playing it's not like he was a total superstar like Lewandowski, Benzema, Kane, Mbappe, Suarez, etc. So it was mostly Croatia's midfield that carried them. And on Paper Germany has easily a top 4 midfield in world football. Only France, Croatia, Spain and maybe Argentina compared. I mean they've got Gundogan, Kimmich, Goretzka, Musiala, Muller, Gosens and had Kroos until recently as well. Most teams would kill for those options. On top of that wingers and attacking players like Gnabry, Sane, Havertz, Muller, Reus once, Adeymi. World class keepers like Neuer and Ter Stegen. So Germany still should have done a lot better than they did in the last 3 tournament.

Schweinsteiger never blamed Pep, he was talking about the change in style of play. The Guardiola influence is very real, he has revolutionized football from the moment he took over Barcelona. Tika Taka was adored and loved (was always the Spanish way) but it became the approach for Spain and ultimately other countries/clubs were following suit as well. That was the style many started to target and apply, unless you wanted to park the bus, which obviously teams like Bayern and Real Madrid are not going to do. Bayern then came in and adopted Pep due to his style and changing system. It was a clear shift in Bayern's style of football. If you exlcude Pep, the style was still being mimiced by many. Argentina even tried it some year in the Copa when they wanted to play that style for Messi, you had teams like Swansea City who were developing the tiki taka approach as their style and ultimately won the league cup in 2013. It was a natural change to the changing landscape of football. -We have to mention the likes of Klopp who kept the heavy metal brand alive, but let's look at consistency, Liverpool had a ton of inconsistent seasons even during their success. So yeah, the more consistent style was the possession based style. Bayern struggled a bit with possession, and then Hansi changed it up to the high pressing style (which btw, was reintroduced again due to the shifting landscape as well-which even City noticed happening and readjusted, Real Madrid as well). Styles in football are changed and reinvented. Pep did have an impact on Germany's style, especially in 2014. We had a mix of styles, from the counter attacking style in 2010, to the intensity of 2006, to the possession approach in 2014 (and that game vs USA in the rain, we relied heavily on possession because of the field etc). So yeah, Bastian is 100% right that Guardiola changed a lot in German football. He did not blame Pep. Pep's style ushered in a new era of football, and it's one of the most appreicated styles. You have to then look at Low, who was so obsessed with playing possession, that he gave up on a lot of Germany's identity. Our issues came because of Pep's influence in football. It's not his fault, rather, it's the fact that we changed everything to adopt his style. Pep is a coach who has his own approach, and he has success. Only a fool will hire him and try to influence his vision. You hire Pep, FOR his vision. And I think that's the point here. His vision sort of became integrated into the German culture.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

On the Swansea example, Laudrup is also a disciple of Cryuff just like Pep. It’s not a case of copying Pep but what Laudrup knows from Cryuff. Bastian forgot that style won them the World Cup in 2014. But yes Pep has influenced the game a lot. Chellini complained about it last year as well.

@EthanCruise

10 ай бұрын

@@nascimentoarantes Yes, definitely. I don't mean they copied the style, but they adopted it more so, as most teams were attempting to. I didn't know that about Laudrup, so that's awesome. And yeah man, Swansea was freaking beautiful to watch. Bastian isn't bashing Pep by any means, and 2014 was a mixture of Pep together with the German style of high pressure and fighting. Low became a bit stubborn after that, and pushed hard for passing rather than actually doing much else. So i think the point of Bastian's comments was to point out that a lot of people tried to follow suit, but you don't always have the players for it, or the mentality of Pep for it. Even Guardiola has adjusted his style a bit in Manchester City to suit the Prem, and the way he handled the UCL This year, was very much different to just constant possession, so even Pep has altered it a bit.

@josewayy

10 ай бұрын

im not so sure about real madrid playing a high press they always play counter attack football

I agree this is taking things out of context. The ‘playing from the back’ short passes type football is very impressive when it works but you need the right players. I see many teams these days losing by trying to do it with the ‘wrong’ players and/or doing it all the time regardless of circumstances. Also when it doesn’t work it can look as though the players are not trying hard enough or simply trying to play pretty but ineffective football. Virtually any style of football can be effective with the right players but poor players will not produce continued success with any style. Germany do not seem to have the players at present but every country goes through unsuccessful periods where there is a lack of quality.

Spot on from Bastian. Don interpreted it well

but he is spot on It ain't Peps fault if we all want to copy him and fail miserable because we just aren't as good It's not Peps fault but anybody who got blinded by him and thought they need to do the same

lol i mean he is making alot of sense. they changed their style based on how Bayern was playing which they shouldnt have done on the national level. he didnt say Pep caused this, it was just the style carried over.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

Same style won them the World Cup in 2014. What they need is to evolve because Pep himself keep evolving his style year after year.

@dtzdftzfthff4550

10 ай бұрын

@@nascimentoarantes No style will help you if you don't develop defenders or strikers. They focused to much on tiki taka but can't defend now or score goals.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

@@dtzdftzfthff4550 it goes without saying that they need quality players. But the comment was focused on style.

Spain's best period came when pep was managing there, Germany's recent best period came when pep was managing there and England's best performances in a very long time have came when pep is managing there. Coincidence?

Can't blame pep for Germany failure. They could have recruited players from 31 others teams except bayern.

I don't think Bastian was blasting Pep Guardiola. Ya'll got this one wrong.

What is not being understood is that the criticism is NOT of Pep's ability as a coach itself. Neither is it about the "conveyor belt" of top player production. The problem is continuity - Pep restructures the thinking patterns of players and the club he is at... and lets face it - Bayern is the backbone of the German national team. When he leaves, there is no one to carry on Pep's philosophy because the style he prefers to play is complex. However winning is never only in one way and that is what Bastian is saying - that Germany should play to its traditional strengths. It is worth noting that aside from finally winning it this year, CL wins have been dry for Pep since he left Barca (and Messi). To drive home the point... when was Barca last known to be a force? In fact I'd go as far as to say that when you change the entire philosophy, it impacts the "conveyor belt"... so Bastian is correct. Things will not be as rosy for City after Pep leaves.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

Lol, CL wins means what exactly? It was Barca team that was the backbone of Spains success during Pep era, Bayern team under Pep was backbone for Germany’s 2014 WC win. CL win is not a mark of consistency. Shitty squads do win it. Real Madrid has been winning CL and had no positive impact on Spain. Pep has had positive influence Spain, Germany and perennial underachievers England. Germany need to produce better footballers and evolve their style as Pep himself has done.

@eddiesam4489

10 ай бұрын

But Germany had a recent proper German style winning team in Bayern when they won all those trophies with Hansi....so why not emulate him rather than a coach who had left the league years ago? In fact, Hansi flick now manages the National team but with less success. Should that point to the fact that poor quality players are being churned out for the league? So again why blame Pep

@outlawfly664

10 ай бұрын

​@@nascimentoarantes It means consistency genius whatever you like it or not, and not fluke unlike the overrated WC and EC which are played once every 4 years. Lmao spoken like a true Barka fan completely envious of Madrid. What S squads except Madrid have won back to back CLs, let alone 3 peat? So you're telling us players like Xabi Alonso, Sergio Ramos, Iker Casillas etc had no effect on the Spain squad? Should we count how many times Casillas saved Spain from elimination in both EC and WC? So David Villas and his goals had no impact? Who was the coach in a WC and EC win for Spain? Was it Pep, or was it Vincente Del Bosque who is a Real Madrid product both as a player and coach and had already won 2 CL lightyears before Pep? The same competition Pep just cursed on TV saying how difficult it is to win? Claiming Barca is the backbone of Spain is laughable when they are not even the most successful club in Spain. What sole impact did Barca give Spain also in 1964 EC win? Pep is one of the most overrated coaches ever, by coaching projects that are finished or has unlimited resources. Had a treble winning Bayern and got humiliated by Ancelottis Madrid 5-0 in 2014, go figure.

@nascimentoarantes

10 ай бұрын

@@outlawfly664 lol, you’re very slow. I’m not a Barca fan but what I said is common knowledge. Your argument has no merit.

@outlawfly664

10 ай бұрын

@@nascimentoarantes According to whom? You? Lmao. Common knowledge by whom? Except the ones in your own parallel universe? Ah the classic i have no argument or rebuttal to put forward, so instead i'm going to resort to shaming tactics and discrediting. But hey, whatever makes you sleep better, back to the drawing board. And yes you're a Barka fan alright, that behavior is quite apparent, i would say nice try but it's obsolete at this point.

There's a blame/insult factor to it, but in a way, it's also somewhat of a compliment. Pep was there for 3 years only and supposedly had that much influence on the players in the mid-late 2010s and the early 2020s. That's some impressive culture changes.

This is why reading comprehension is important

Should you blame Pep for England having the best 3 tournaments in a row since 1966. That started about the time Pep arrived at Man City.

They're taking his word out of context. But he's also wrong. Germany's decline is caused by having average players now.

POLITICS RUINED THE UNITY between players Famous quote defing Germany was "Argentina and Portugal has superstars Germany has brothers" (Most of them played together from their academy days)...THE POLITICS BROKE THEIR TEAMSPIRIT

@escape2nirvana

10 ай бұрын

Oh stfu, I’m so tired of hearing that. Truth is Germany hasn’t produced top center backs or strikers in a while. That’s why they haven’t been good. Second the two least german players gundo and rudiger are bums when they play for the national team

@Wokenstein

10 ай бұрын

No

Pep the best manager in the world every manager copying the 🐐 wont be surprised if rivals play 4 CB next year

The national team success is not much dependent on coaching style or even quality of the players as it is dependent on familiarity of the players with each other, if you construct a national with players who play for same clubs then you see them replicating the way they played for their clubs, barcelona and bayern players in the past provided that to spain and germany hence they won, the quality and coaching is secondary to that because hardly play international games, so the cohesion is always a major issue, the south american teams suffer the most from this hence they suffering past few world cup as most of their top players are scattered across europe and not playing for same clubs, only now argentina showed the cohesion mainly due to brilliance and passion of messi but that's the key as argentina were nowhere as talented as france, england or others, in the future england have a massive chance to win if they sample their squad properly from man city, arsenal, man utd with players who play together instead of just picking the best players who never played together at club level.

@michaelikoro7305

10 ай бұрын

Good point

Pep's influence has ruined football in a way imo because now teams all over the world make use of the same footballing ideology... There's no variety in the way the game is played in-ourdays

Pep has literally turned Man City into the most "fighting" team out there. They press, win back the ball and run the whole match like machines

@MrWhitmen1981

10 ай бұрын

Yeah but they get over run by klopp sides every now and then.

@bahjabilan2652

10 ай бұрын

@@MrWhitmen1981with 1 league 😂we made you cry twice

@yoonyulntaeny

10 ай бұрын

@@MrWhitmen1981 No. Liverpool v Man City matches have been mostly very even counter attacking games at Anfield and very much in City's control at Etihad

Probably correct. They had a style. He made them change it.

They literally maximized their talent and won a WC in Brazil based on a German style version of high line press and possession derived from tiki taka

Guardiola isn't as good as everybody says. Klopp and Mourinho better by far. I don't think Pep is able to build a team right from the start as Klopp and Mou did. He can only succeed when having/buying all the players he needs.

Craig you need to read more. There is absolutely no way he is accusing pep. He accusing the ones copying him.

Bastian obviously blaming other people, not Pep ffs 😄

You got it wrong again ESPN ... his comments were not saying it was Guardiola's fault ..... grow up please !!!!!

If I was Pep, and someone asked me what I thought of Schweinsteiger's comments, I'd say, 'Mission accomplished.'

Where pep go that nation will be superpower in football..Spain win 2010-2012, Germany in 2014 pep come in 2013, England being in semis back to back..pep push the homegrown players at their best

Maybe how it was translated was not how he meant it, either way, he could have said what he did without mentioning Pep at all. All he had to say was Germany started playing a different way that wasn't unique to them and wasn't what Germany were used to. This was influenced by a different style of play that was successful in Germany at the time. Basically saying the same thing but minus calling Peps name. Also, the criticism would still be odd since Germany was actually very successful during the time Pep was there but declined when he left.

@BFG_10G

10 ай бұрын

Translated? This interview was done in English. Don't expect the idiots in ESPN to understand that.

He never blamed Pep. Sometimes I agree with Craig but... I wonder if he understood what we were talking about here.

don is right, he wasnt blaming anything on pep. i dont exactely know what he means by that. the fighting spirit isnt gone bc they like to play a good pass. its confusing to me

It’s not just Germany is in world football you got ppl more worried about whether a goalkeeper can play with his feet or whether a fullback can make crosses rather than defending well

These guys consistently get it wrong, but this is another level of wrong. Completely misinterpreting the meaning of quote.

The talent has declined, and the cohesion has evaporated. I never thought I'd see Germany take such a tumble.

@noname-ot7vd

10 ай бұрын

They were also appalling in the early 2000s as well.

@Kickingit06

10 ай бұрын

@@noname-ot7vd I don't know what you're smoking. Germany made the 2002 World Cup Final. Granted they got a bad ref no-call against the US in the quarterfinal and may have went down then otherwise.

@noname-ot7vd

10 ай бұрын

​@Kickingit06 Germany made it to the final in 2002 by getting the weaker teams and Oliver Kahn having the tournament of his life. That 2002 german team was one of their worst if not the worst team in their history.

@noname-ot7vd

10 ай бұрын

​@@Kickingit06also germany went out in the group stage at euro 2000 and 2004.

'Conveyor belt' was the new term soccer😂

Example: Germany always played with a solid 9(Gerd Muller, Klinsmann, Bierhoff, Jancker, Klose, Kuranyi, Cacau,Asamoah and strong midfielders(Matthaus, Sammer, Basti, Khedira , Frings). At Qatar, Kimmich and Gundo(two less physical players) were preferred against Japan with left them vulnerable on the counter. Further compounded by Flick's insistence on not playing Fullkrug in that game and persisting with Havertz as False 9.

Burley Craig is why jumping up and down I don't know? Bastian is not criticizing Pep rather Germany national team. Bastian is absolutely spot on that the physical battle and fighting spirit are missing from Germany national team and in Bundesliga. If there was fighting spirit then Dortmund might have very well won the title this year. Instead of fighting they succumbed. Germany national team is lacking direction and don't know where to go so far but thanks to Bastian and I'm sure Germany will seriously take notice of his comments and will act accordingly.

Nothing against Mario Gomez (he was treated harshly) but the last time Germany had an absolute killer in the striker position they had to steal him from Poland.

Listen to the whole interview, he is blaming the mentality of the German squad, pre millennials 2014 team vs post millennials now!

That just aren't producing as many top quality players. For whatever reasons.

Pep never managed Germany lol. Bayern won CL in 2020 and treble etc too, did it impact germany?

@vik24oct1991

10 ай бұрын

I mean germany won 2014 when pep was bayern coach and most of the german team was made of bayern players so if anything he should be credited for the only world cup they won this century.

@TheGamer-sb3ry

10 ай бұрын

​@@vik24oct1991no he shouldn't he didn't do anything he couldn't even win champions league with bayern,bayern won champions league a year before pep arrived

I think he has a point though. there pattern of play has changed

Guardiola does like to play a false nine which means they come deep. Whereas a more direct football means strikers go forward like a klose

Listen to Schweinsteiger again and accurately this time!

What an stupid comment. Pep coaching Bayern was the reason why they won the World Cup in first place.

I think the comments of Don is sensible. The other two should be ashamed of themselves. Even with the correction from Don about the translation or misinterpretation, Craig continues with his nonsense. I think you guys need to have some honest reviews about your performance on air.

@atiwatope

10 ай бұрын

10%

How everyone missed the point is astonishing. Most of us understood what Bastian was attempting to say. This clearly demonstrates how biased and unobjective the media is in its reporting.

Bastian meant that pep influence change germany way of playing

Simply put, most German players nowhere near as good as the group that was around from 2006 to 2014. So you can forget about their overall product when put together as a team. As good as some German players have been post-Brazil 2014 (ie: Kimmich, Gundogan, Musiala, etc), from Euro 2016 to the 2022 World Cup, not one of those German teams has looked like overwhelming favorites for any of the last four tournaments.

@Scott-yy4rm

10 ай бұрын

Musiala?

I doubt that Lahm and Kimmich would agree with Scwheinsteiger.

they won a world cup imitating playing peps style of play.

@mebansharaisantasticokhong7312

6 ай бұрын

No it was nothing like Pep, it was more free and open

@zenastronomy

6 ай бұрын

@@mebansharaisantasticokhong7312 more than half the team was bayern players. the manager even said he was imitating pep and posession football. the german national team was a bayern clone of peps bayern team he was managing at the same time. everyone at the time said it and admitted it. also this entire video exists because they did exactly that. imitated pep. now you are saying they didn't? then tell schwirteiger and the creator of this video they are wrong.

That’s the thing, Guardiola WAS coaching Germany 😂.

He is not blaming pep, but rather German football trying to mimic his playing style which doesn’t suit them

It's shocking to see how poorly these presenter's interpreted what Sweinsteiger had said.

Yes, Littbarski and Hassler were very big and strong.

@AurelAvramescu

10 ай бұрын

German national team always had technical players when they were successful and big and strong players in certain defensive positions.

It's not Pep's fault Germany lost form, it's only his fault for being too smart.

Don is a good listener than Craig and Shaka. Perfect Don that's what Bastain was saying not blaming Pep but his influence on the other teams trying to use his style which take away the physicality of the German side because there are known of that. Once you have all the teams trying to be more of ball playing team and less physical then the national team lost it's origin that made them who they were 2006,2010 n 2014.

Every team is lacking the good old fashioned number 9. Look at brazil after R9 they've never won a world cup. Germany after Klose have not found anyone remotely close to his calibre. It's OK to have a false nine who can link up the forward wingers but me being a little bit old fashioned I still believe & good quality number 9 should be a minimum requirement for any team. Yes, I know number 9's are rare breeds but it always adds positives to the team. A good enough coach will have both, a number 9 & a false nine in his squad just to keep the opposition guessing. Not only that a centre back however good he might be just don't like the presence of a quality number 9 waiting to pounce upon any mistakes to happen.

Ah yes, the British at their finest. Not understanding what is said but still thinking it's somehow offensive.

He is not lieing at all...he leaves a blueprint in every country he left...in england every team wants to play out of the back, as a club you can find a different way of winning, arteta and ten hag are following citys blueprint and i am sure they will fail if they don't find their style

A Brazilian Shaman put a curse on Germany. Simple.

Yeah. Craig isn’t reading his comments right. The comments didn’t blame the manager

Germany's decline started at least 10 years before Pep joined Bayern. One of the first things Pep did was get rid of him because he best years were behind him. Let's face it he wasn't particularly good at Man Utd .

They probably do stuff like this on purpose to fill up shows. It's not just this one time that they're misquoting someone to make an entire segment on it.

To a certain extent Bastian is right pep has influenced football playing style in the whole world everyone is out from the back, He is so infectious

Germany won the Worldcup while Pep was Bayern manager. Is that coincidence?

What Pep has to do with anything? 😂

Is no one going to state the obvious here? Pep starts coaching Barcelona, Spain wins World Cup and than Euros predominantly with Barca players. Pep goes to Germany, Germany hasnt won a WC since 1990, all of a sudden they win. Pep goes to England, all of a sudden England doesnt get knocked out in the round of 16. Im not giving all the credit to him but he was a huge reason as to why. Now to double down. Low loved Spain and Spanish football. On multiple occasions he said that they were the best team he had ever seen, he started mimicking the way Spain played after the World Cup with a more possession based style and also bringing in players who weren’t the typical German mold and they won. He should thank Pep