Every Lagoon 450 owner on earth should be a patron for this channel. This man may have saved your life!

Props to Jamie too! Man he has some patience, this would be overwhelming if you didn’t have a good mate with you!

When you pull off this repair you will be in a class of your own. Best wishes.

@Madrrrrrrrrrrr

3 жыл бұрын

@Swapster .com nah. you just need to hang it right and use the weight of the boot to get everything at the right place and reinforce and fiberglass the heck out of it.

@fowletm1992

3 жыл бұрын

If the pull it off they'll be in a class above lagoon them selves Lol

@Mark-sd7fc

3 жыл бұрын

Buddy I’m so claustrophobic I couldn’t watch all I can do is prey for you

@jayseaem

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-sd7fc Ye, you and me both, i had to turn away as well.

I’ve really got to take my hat off to you guys. Colin and Jamie, you guys are real tough nuts. Your positive attitude and determination will get you through this massive repair job and Parlay will end up being the best 450 on the water being 10x better than the day it was first launched. Many people are watching this and are learning a lot from you two in attitude and stepping up despite the monumental task to repair the damage and learning how to do these repairs. As you said, there were obvious build quality issues that were showing failures long before the hurricane damage. Many lagoon owners are watching this and checking their boats and finding the same failures. And perspective buyers are watching this also and probably changing their minds and going to the other builders for their cats. Lagoon also must be watching this and preparing themselves for the onslaught of claims and also loss of customers. Stay positive you two, you’ve got this. Look at the positive benefits in that you can rebuild the cabins how you want them and also giving easy access to all the structural and critical areas for inspection etc in the future. You guys can personalise Parlay to a much higher standard that Lagoon did. If this was a motor vehicle, the manufacturer would be doing a global recall and giving you a new vehicle. Looking forward to seeing the coming episodes. Stay safe guys and please take time off to reset and de stress during the work. Got to love and admire the ANZAC spirit👍💪🍻

@shanevillis4079

3 жыл бұрын

Well we are a couple of those prospective buyers, and I love the 450S, but yeah, we are thinking of going to a semi custom producer, even if it costs a bit more.

@nuffsaid7952

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanevillis4079 smart move. Lagoon has had many issues with the structural build quality and watertight integrity over the years that most people are unaware of across most of their models. In the vast majority of those cases the owners received no assistance from lagoon. They are well known for poor after sales support, especially after the warranty period and if not the original owner. While many builders produce boats that on the surface cosmetically look excellent, most people don’t realise that the real build quality lays in what can’t be easily seen in the actual structural construction. Lagoon aren’t alone in this, it’s just that they have the most issues as compared to the other production builders. A more bespoke builder will produce a far superior build quality boat at a higher price, but that is why those boats hold a higher price on the used market. The first one that comes to mind is Privilege, excellent build quality and all parts are built into the structure, not drop in glue and go modules. Hope that you find the right boat for you and your wife and have many years of enjoyment on it 👍🍻

@jcheck6

3 жыл бұрын

@@nuffsaid7952 Excellent post Nuff!!

I have been a master carpenter for 8 years. When you are putting everything back together or when you need it. I would like to donate a month of my time to come where you are and help in anyway I can.

@cherikentie

3 жыл бұрын

You're awesome 👍💖

@mrsmith3554

3 жыл бұрын

bloody legend👍

@wildaltarose

3 жыл бұрын

You are incredible to offer this.

@sailing.not.dreaming

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you would learn a lot and have fun, great attitude

@bryonensminger7462

3 жыл бұрын

Good offer they're gonna need a good trim carpenter when they get Down to the end

When the yard manager talks about walking away, you know shit is serious, cause that is the guy who's seen just about everything...

I think Lagoon should purchase your boat and do an investigation disassembly to determine how they can build a better boat. I bet all these 450 Lagoons have some level of this problem.

@ps4peace

3 жыл бұрын

I have read other posts who are now discovering similar issues & are not previously damaged such as was Parley. Curios how this will play out.

@sheerluckholmes5468

3 жыл бұрын

It won't be just the 450's with this problem rather I think it would affect every other model with a similar build procedure.

@mysteryyyyyy

3 жыл бұрын

That is what happens when you build a boat with wood and glue....

@harlandfazardo799

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysteryyyyyy Those bulkhead should be tabbed to the fiberglass hulk. Shame on Lagoon

@deloresrodriguez7726

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the problem is with Lagoon. I think the previous owner did some sketchy repairs.

How you keep from disparaging the build quality of Parlay is a greater source of wonder than considering what you are facing.

@jcheck6

3 жыл бұрын

He does it Michael by biting his bottom lip. Scary huh?

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

Looking at the original build , it was just glued , the ply not real high quality either . Then all buried, and they have not suffered the ravages of age and rot yet .Then because she is a cat the stress on the hull is huge . Terrible design and build and near impossible to repair at any reasonable cost if you are not able to do it yourself . If you can do yourself you better have deep pockets and lots of free time . I predict hundreds of these boats abandoned in the next few decades as unrepairable. Imagine the average older owner trying to get in to fix just the steering cables ?

@jcheck6

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 Exactly!

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcheck6 Anything you find difficult to fix and think you will just pay someone also means you have find that someone and they will be expensive and take a long time

@lightend100

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 Im trying to save up to buy an old British Cat, they are bullet proof. how did the art of boat building go down to this level from such a good start??

As you dig further into this, I can see the disappointment and despair in your face, but keep the faith and know when finished, it will be better and stronger than when it left the factory, and you and Jamie will have the satisfaction of knowing all your hard work was well worth it

@buellb0y

3 жыл бұрын

The greater the problems, the greater the content. Colin will make bank publishing these repair videos,... and have an incredible vessel at the end of it.

@sjd9214

3 жыл бұрын

@@buellb0y was thinking the exact same thing. It will make anchoring off a paradise island in the South Pacific so much more sweeter...because we all know what it took to get there.

Have support from the factory? Check. Have a plan? Check. Have the skills? Check. Have a good crew? Check. You guys have got this.... just keep moving forward one step at a time as you a now truly pioneers of major Lagoon repair! Cheers!!

G'day Colin, As a former Lagoon 450F owner and Structural Engineer, it's shocking how much work needs to be completed, when in reality, had the boat not had so many structural anomalies, and design flaws, it honestly wouldn't be nearly as bad. The proper way to fix this mess, firstly, is drop the hulls. Then you'll really see the amount of damage. You want to measure all the deviations in the floor, to determine which side has priority. Just be careful, after dropping, the boat will be wobbling and freakishly unstable mate! Obviously, you already know this. Good luck and be safe mate! Cheers from Western OZ 🇦🇺.

It's great Lagoon is supporting your rebuild. It might reflect better on them if they covered the costs too.

I am certain to you have fixed her by now but meth methacrylate in between the cockpit floor and hull would be considered structural where 5200 will continue to flex.Great caving sequence Colin.Rossco

Colin......I'm a fan of your channel for some time......and have never commented. I've decided to now for two reasons......First, I identify with your current nervousness about the monumental task ahead of you. As I entered college in 1978 in knew what had to be accomplished to gain admission to medical school and become a doctor. Like you, I knew I could do it.....but the journey seemed so long and arduous at the start that it intimidated me......I decided to cease thinking about the entire journey and only look ahead for 1 week at a time. It was the solution to accomplishing my goal that ultimately took 11 years. My advice is to do the same.......it is EFFECTIVE. Second, I've lived long enough and watched your channel sufficiently to know that you have the RIGHT STUFF. Your integrity (EARNING the money necessary, not asking others to pay for your dreams), your work ethic, and your honestly are all apparent. You have what it takes to accomplish ANYTHING you so desire in this life (be thankful.....that is a rare gift)........and don't be discouraged by others who lack the qualities that give you this ability. Now lay the "big picture" aside and get to choppin' on that tree.......you will be surprised how soon it falls.....! And I and thousands of others will be cheering you all the way.....!!

I am a bit drunk, watching your channel with my cat on my arm and dog on the side on my bed and wife abroad... I have watched this channel from episode one to now in less than 2 weeks. I absolutely love your channel. I admire the work ethics you have and I am so amazed that, still young people like you guys are! Have that never give up attitude!! True inspiration!!!

If anyone can bring her back to sailing condition, it's you Colin. I have never seen such determination in the face of adversity. With your attitude and the commitment of your wonderful friends, I have no doubt this job will be completed and the boat will be better than when she was new.

After recovering from my claustrophobic attack by proxy you end the video on a knife edge.... now I’m stressed by proxy for you lol

holy sh#t bro how did you slide in there f#ck I was getting Claustrophobia just watching

@nickwulf

3 жыл бұрын

I am also afraid of Santa Claus

@Sailspirit99

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@mrsmith3554

3 жыл бұрын

I'm built a bit like Santa Clause atm there's Fat chance of me getting in that space literally

@horseshoe182

3 жыл бұрын

me too.

@david_s1

3 жыл бұрын

How was he able to get out?

Don't know which stage you're in right now, but have a look at the book of the Gougeon Brothers on Boat Construction. You will find a treasure of info and techniques there to fix this problem permanently. I've been in sailing for over 45 years now and never liked the Lagoons and similar designs. Met a couple of them too on my ways on Atlantic and Med. They always came in limping in port with structural problems after a little rough ride. They're simply build structural too light to face really rough weather. But, I think you can fix it better than the builders could ever do it. The book I mentioned above has (if I remember correctly) a whole segment about bulkheads, especially those for catamarans. Also look at the part they have about how to use interior modules to increase longitudinal stiffness, which ideas can help you to work out a plan for the bulkheads. To attach the bulkheads to the hulls, use epoxy fillets and cover that with fibre mats using epoxy for the laminating. Do NOT use Sika, since it stays flexible, which you don't want for the bonding to the hull. Oh, and if you didn't remove the old bulkheads yet, try to keep as many pieces as you can, number them, so you can use them as a template to make the new bulkheads. DM me if you want more info or have questions. Can also provide you with a copy of the book if you want. PDF. By the way, I once crewed on a 126 feet Ortona Navi ketch called Parlay!

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

One issue on these production cats is after you fix this and make this strong the next weak point breaks . You see them rip travelers off the deck for example . Thing is there is no safety valve of heeling and the loads can be HUGE. You are not flying a hull and she is not going to go any faster . While there are good cats out there that can take it this is not one . It is a sunny day costal cruiser .

@paulvandriel2344

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 Yes, they're rental pontoons for the Moorings. Designed to scratch around the coasts and hold on for 3-5 years, after they are sold to dreamers for too much money. For what he has spent on this one, he could have bought for example a Pahi 63 (Wharram design) and truly cruise the world. This Lagoon will get destroyed if he runs into some serious heavy weather in the Pacific. As he says himself (I believe), everything happens for a reason. What happens with this boat is an alarm bell for him not to push this project into the Pacific. Up to him to listen to the warnings or not.

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulvandriel2344 They are fine for what they are made for , costal fair weather party platforms . In fact excellent , I have enjoyed a number of stays on one . I worry when people confuse them with a blue water boat for sailing the world . These things are going to be a nightmare when they get 25 years old and start to suffer the ravages of age and rot . Poor quality and difficult to fix added to expensive to even store by the square foot .

@paulvandriel2344

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 Sure, they are relatively luxurious. However, for cruising the world it's a bad investment. That Pacific dream will become a nightmare, and possibly another statistic "lost at sea". The guys in Panama already asked him when he would walk away from it. I hope he got their message.

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulvandriel2344 I suggest they fix it and sell it to people who will use it for what it was made for . Use the $ earned to buy a blue water boat . Or stay close to shore .

Wow, it's so far from square. By the end you will have rebuilt the entire boat. Props to you for taking on something like this instead of scraping it.

Guess I'm not in the market for a lagoon.. props to you guys on that 👏🙌project

You guys are bloody courageous. I admire your will. You'll get throught it no doubt.

@mrsmith3554

3 жыл бұрын

If anyone can ,my money is on these 2. Unbelievable after all that hard work they have already done to find all this major structural damage blows your mind.

I can't believe what a warrior this guy is. This is how to succeed. If you're not sure where the problem is, go where ever you have to to finally find it. What a role model.

Man, I'd love to be one of those young kids that pulls a face at the camera at the end, just starting out in life and growing up around boats in such a beautiful place. A whole life ahead of me. Really enjoying this adventure but makes me feel old. It is so true you only regret the adventures you missed.

Colin, your a brave soul! The massive job ahead of you would scare off 99.9 percent of DIY fixers and I would bet 90.0 of professional boat yards. Your channel is so interesting it is painful to wait week to week for a new instalment. Wishing you the best of luck going forward!

I am having a panic attack watching Colin crawl under the floor... my toes were all curled up...

@jcheck6

3 жыл бұрын

I cheated and advanced the video.

@ReinierMayer

3 жыл бұрын

Why, it’s not like it’s a granite cave and he’s the lead character in this show. Eventually somebody would have cut him out. Otherwise it would have been an episode of say.. Die hard 24, but Bruce Willis couldn’t make it. They wouldn’t do that to you.

@desertamyk

3 жыл бұрын

💯

Wow, I got nervous and a bit claustrophobic just watching you shimmy right under the deck. Colin, you are a legend who just doesn't give up. Best wishes to you. Very inspirational and a joy to watch.

I just feel so bad for you two......everywhere you look is another problem. You are very kind to Lagoon considering that some of these problems are because of structure design issues. So now you have a 70+ year old grandmother of eight cheering you on and waiting to celebrate the day this is all fixed.

This will be a great opportunity to make the interior more functional and maintenance friendly.

This is turning in to an episode of Expedition Evans they got theirs fixed you will too!

@peterbeyer5755

3 жыл бұрын

The Evanses boats seemed easier to take apart and put together.

That inspection was some pro level boat yoga!

the sheer optimism in the face of endless bad news that would make most give up - great video

The pre-hurricane damage you are finding is a real eye opener. Parlay will be a tank when you are done.

This project is beyond the beyond! Before this happened the respect and admiration for Colin's capabilities were beyond what most of us have witnessed and now we are witnessing how his capabilities are being tested and stretched to the max. We have great faith he is capable of doing what must be done and thankful he has Jamie's support through it all. Having this completed and being underway will happen in a category you never imagined. It will be exceedingly meaningful. Highest Blessings

@charlesharper2357

3 жыл бұрын

Don't know if it's courage or insanity...but it makes for an interesting saga. Not many would attempt it...hats off to him.

Your videos will become training for Lagoon and probably all catamaran builders! Your positive outlook and commitment to persevere no matter how ugly things continue to get is amazingly inspiring! Good on you brothers!

Give Caesar what's his, the fact that they stepped up, and put themselves out there to help you with the technical information of your repair says a lot. Many companies would not touch this kind of stuff with a ten foot pole. For many good and bad reasons. So, kudos to the entire team behind this boat's construction, that's a stand up thing to do. We need more like them, and their attitude, in the world. It's something we lost once Bernard London's infamous paper set sail into the minds of the industrial complex and later found roots into our modern civilization. This boat would've likely been scrapped, making even more waste, not it's given a chance to become something else and thus keep something that wasn't fully broken in the cycle, which is something we should all strive to do more, lest we want to never enjoy the things we see around us in the future.

You know, if you're dealing with screws from behind I would suggest using magnets to find those screws, then using hole cutters to cleanly remove the entire screw and the surrounding wood. Then you have a nice hole to easily plug later.

@Ember800

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you'll be using one of those "special" magnets that detect non-ferrous stainless steel screws?

@lasivianleandros3558

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ember800 Good point. Tho I just break out the metal detector pinpointer rather than a magnet.

I know you realize it but you are so damned lucky to have Jamie at your side. Love your passion for parlay. Most would have written her off.

Hey Collin, I know you never lose hope but when your having a bad day or stuck by lightning just know there’s a lot of people out here that love what you do and are wishing you well on your journey . You give such inspiration and positivity to the world I hope someday that I have a chance to join the crew! My thoughts and prayers go out to you for Marty he was my favorite from the day he was introduced. Keep on going brotha love the channel!

With the amount of work you have ahead, I would have kept the RUM on the Boat..... I'm sure it will turn out GREAT.

@mrsmith3554

3 жыл бұрын

looks like the builder's may have been on the rum. seems like that rig was way over tight as well

You better laser level the stands before you start any leveling of the vessel.

@blairbeattie3308

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a good place to start for sure level props first

@alanpiper9614

3 жыл бұрын

I think that Colin has it all in hand as he is no fool. He will no doubt be using multiple jack stands on the hulls and the bridge deck to level the vessel and get the hulls and bridge deck plumb. He wouldn’t level the stands as the boat isn’t all flat level surfaces. Better than a laser level for plumbing the hulls to each other is a water level, simple to use, cheap and 100% accurate.

@dneuman7455

3 жыл бұрын

These boats like most boats are built from the shell bottom up in layers . That's why it's a nightmare. Back off all the hard ware and bring in alot of level stand points . Then repair with glass and glues and fabric.

Can't you just see the salesman for Lagoon at the boat show..."Look at all the space in the master and master head"...hahaha..."and look at the lovely aft deck and the sunsets you can enjoy"...hahaha

Looks like the boose cruise turned into the beat up bruised cruise

Phew, seeing the magnitude of the work ahead of you I kind of feel the same way you do at the end of the video. Glad you made the right call.

The harder the battle , the sweeter the victory !

Lagoon should carry their weight and fix this catastrophic failure with their production boat.

@vxnova1

3 жыл бұрын

I’d agree if it weren’t a hurricane damaged write off boat,

@RechargeableLithium

3 жыл бұрын

The damage Colin's fixing predates the hurricane. That's what the wood blocks confirm.

@vxnova1

3 жыл бұрын

@@RechargeableLithium yea that’s not good, definitely damage there prior,

Every time I am down about the work that I have to do to my boat I watch 1 of you're videos and feel better. Thank you.keep up the good content.

I'm overwhelmed just seeing all the things you've got to do let alone being faced with actually doing it. Best of luck fellas.

The potential of all this knowledge on this boat and on camera ,this will be the go to video for Lagoon , you guys will be the hands experts. hope you can cash in on it.

@sagitariusjefferspin7079

3 жыл бұрын

yea Lagoon should learn from all this hopefully. They were probably like "shit, we better help these guys... cuz this is like the worst publicity."

By the time parlay is finished the manufacturer will make all the changes to make sure they build a better product and this boat will be one of the best cat to sail on as far as safety Colin "god speed mate"

@jcheck6

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really believe that Jason? How many boats has Lagoon completed that shows the same poor workmanship that Colin's has?

@jasonholmes6137

3 жыл бұрын

Look if they are working with him on this i think its a show of what to not repeat in construction or they just wouldnt show interest so yes i think its a learning experience and other lagoon owners may or may not experience they same damage or was parlay victim to multiple bad situations that we just dont know about unless that data is revealed how would we be able to make an assumption that this was poorly executed or design flawed from the manufacturer i say lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say at this point they are learning as much as we are about this issue and hope they rethink this to make it stronger, safer, and a better ship all arround there reputation as a cat builder designer is depending on it

@rsrguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonholmes6137 you are high, I bet you believe you can get quality government administered health care too...

@jasonholmes6137

3 жыл бұрын

@@rsrguy nope

@rsrguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonholmes6137 well then I give you credit for that at least.... Still, this is a French company that will likely declare some kind of bankruptcy protection, simply because making repairs to all of the boats (not damaged in hurricanes) with the same issues will be way more damaging than BK... It's looking more and more like this is a rich man's pontoon boat only suited for lake sailing.

You have the best show on the internet. You are be the sailing Kardashians, but with real drama.

Colin and Jamie, you guys are both legends! I'm not a sailor but I discovered the channel about a week ago and just binged every episode. I'm jutted and excited to have caught up to the latest episode. I know nothing about boats but reading through the comments (and obviously watching your reactions to the issues you've found) you've got some work ahead of you! My wife is tired of me talking about Parlay Revival, saying "I wish I was there with those guys sanding and grinding and getting filthy", I'd be there in a heart beat if I could! Love the hard work boys, keep it up!

This a thorough reminder why not to buy a Lagoon.

You lads will smash it , it’s just time patience , stitch her back together and you ll have the strongest 450 cat ever !!

Holy moly. I can see why boatbuilder wonders when do you walk away from boat. Good luck brother.

Watching you crawl in that tight space just make my anxiety go thru the ROOF

I admire your crazy amount of determination. No shortcuts, even if its torturous. That first beer when you finish everything is going to be epic

If I had to pick 2 guys to take this on it would be you two. Good luck with this massive project.

@mikebhicks7933

3 жыл бұрын

Barefoot Sail & Dive is another great example. As is the one where a married couple Expedition Evans have done something similar (dismantling a large monohull, fixing the disconnected hull/grid/keel then reassembling).

Best sailing KZread channel no doubt 👍👍👍👍

Wir drücken Euch die Daumen! Der beste Ingenieur packt zur Sicherheit immer eine Schicht mehr drauf! Wenn Eure Reparatur fertig ist machen wir eine gute Flasche Stoff auf und tanzen am Feuer!

Major expletives..... I was getting claustrophobic just watching you squeeze into that space. I have been stuck in similar spaces before and it's pretty freaky when you need someone to pull you out by your feet. Please be careful and plan for the possibility of being stuck or getting a cramp etc... Good luck with the rebuild, cheers Rustie 🦘🍻🍻

I just can't put into words how bad I feel seeing what happened to this boat after all the love you've given it. Your dedication is also beyond words. This is the boating story of all boating stories !! All the best to you and your crew.

Colin. Living the channel. Below Deck is my wife and I’s guilty pleasure show. Found your channel and been devouring the content. A few mor of these videos and I’ll be selling the house and buying a boat to sail the world. Keep ‘em coming mate.

Total admiration for you guys in that heat and humidity and your tenacity.incredible

There's no better channel on any media! I would love to be there and help revive Parlay. I'm sure she is forever in your dedt for not walking away! Post everyday when you start digging and repairing!

Props to Lagoon for helping you out and not giving you some legal BS

@skaraborgcraft

3 жыл бұрын

More likely they know there are issues with these boats, so more of a PR excercise for them. Obviously this boat has been through a hurricane, but the lack of quality in original construction means choosing one of these for offshore use , even when new, is a crapshoot. No way you should be able to pull the boat out of shape just by the rigging screws, rigging failure should occur before anything structural in the hull pops.

@brentspang9092

3 жыл бұрын

@@skaraborgcraft it seems the boat was previously damaged based on the “repairs” Colin has found. Who knows the full history of the boat. I don’t know if this is an inherent Lagoon issue or not, but either way, it would be easy enough for them to wash their hands of this. But they aren’t so that says something at least. Other rebuilds I’ve seen, the manufacturer has basically said “get bent”.

Most of us would indeed walk away. Now we know how a proper surveyor should do a proper survey on a lagoon 450. Great career path for small folks.

I would think not only do you have the sympathy of the director of Laguna boats but with the level of success you've had lately you must be capturing the attention of their engineering department as well

I worry about all that demolition that is having to be done to expose the areas that need repair - will be a huge job just to put the boat back together again. I feel for you. Good luck man.

@damientelle

3 жыл бұрын

i don’t blame lagoon or any other mainstream cat builder to launch boat designed for mooring instead of sailing performance and endurance. This is the way they are used. but here the « fix-it score « is close to zero.... i wish Lagoon will offer new partition wall able to be installed without opening the deck ....

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

I worry that some of the cabinetry was supposed to be structural and now it is cut out .

@damientelle

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 they are not . thin and soft plywood for finishing. and despite the massive geometry displacement of the structure, the partition/cabinet wall was either intact or bend like a paper sheet . means there are not on stress area or completly unable to hold any compression load

@damientelle

3 жыл бұрын

@@faircompetition1203 but the refitting will be fun..... if parlay will be back close to his nominal geometry, all’these partition wall won’t fit as original. for sure somes extra hours of sanding/ cutting edge and so on

@faircompetition1203

3 жыл бұрын

@@damientelle Yep , stronger than new for sure . One thing most people do not realize is none of these boats were symmetrical out of the factory Funny story , was at a regatta and walking by a guy with a J22 I think it was . Anyway he was reinstalling the mast step and set up a Laser to line it up with the keel , rudder and chain plates exactly . Yup that is when he found out the boat was not even close to symmetrical. Looked pretty shook up . I explained to him none of them actually are . J 24 is know to not be for example . Just put it back where it was . Have that on my boat , changing out the deck organizers when I do the no skid so I carefully measured where the starboard and port one was . Yep not even close to the same . I swear at the factory the guy just mounted them without measuring .

That boat looks like it was a wreck before it got wrecked ..brave man taking that on ..

You don't walk away from the boat because 1 you can fix it 2 it's GREAT content 3 not quitting is HEROIC! Please don't go under there again.

Triple the strength of all repair points..if you're going to repair it, turn it into a superboat.. I don't know how you managed to get your massive gonads into such a tight space..reversing was obviously even worse. Best of luck...your buddy is a hero so you're blessed already. The boat breaking like this + a lightning strike just before a Pacific crossing..either an angel was watching over you or is trying to tell you something. Fix it good.

Is Colin like super attached to this boat? Cuz let me tell you, if this was me I'd be looking for chainsaws at this point. I would NEVER trust this boat again. No single human can visualize all the forces at work on a complex hull like this. Deforming and ripping full on sheets of marine plywood? That's crazy. You can never be sure that this thing doesn't turn into a garbage scow during a rough night at sea. And I say to that, not me brother. Not me.

What a mess. Well shot and great editing Colin and team!

You have nerves of steel Colin! I was claustrophobic just from watching this episode. Excellent camera work!

Demo everything at one time, take all interior cabinets needed then some! access holes in cabin floor to more easily repair! Giver hell boys! U got this!!

It's good to have your mates on board to help. They'll be with you thru thick and thin.

You have a big job ahead of you. Good thing you have that engineering degree. Good luck. Love the show

Leaving any emotions aside, from a solution point of view a detailed and efficient repair plan is needed, and I see Colin is developing one, aided by Lagoon. That's the tough part, everything else is just much hard work. Guessing, Lagoon is very interested in an efficient repair plan as well, as this topic grew too large by now. I could imagine that this will be the first 450 with inspection hatches to reach all structural elements and allow repairs without crawling into such dangerous holes. The new interior will likely be modular and the result will be the best 450 ever and serve as a blueprint to repair others. Plus an epic story, of course. Nothing is too hard for a true engineer!

Dude, props for not being claustrophobic - I don't know whether I would have been willing to go into that tiny space under the cockpit floor!

Always nice to have a buddy to help the mood out!!

Such an inspiration, you have been up against it financially and hurdles along the way but you remain humble and keep working on it. She will be stronger than ever. Keep up the great work!

Great example of how brutal forces on a sailing vessel can be. Small or large it all has to be done properly crazy good work good on you guys.

This will be the ultimate challenge for you two, good luck. Will be watching next week for your progress. Nice to see you can still manage to smile., Parlay has to survive.

Colin is now the 50% owner of "West System Epoxy"!! Damn you are so lucky your rig didn't come down in heavy seas... Lagoon Yachts should be embarrassed by their half assed build!!

You need to kinda create a factory type set up ! Strip it all out clean ! And go to town with improvements, there’s no other way. Entirely de rigged , almost entirely empty. No shortcuts

@oakleyjack7600

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I don’t know how you could do it any other way seeing the damage. I would never trust it knowing what could have been missed.

@vanvanvonvoyage6484

3 жыл бұрын

Bro 😎 I’m in Canada 🇨🇦 more than happy to help, I specialise in classic yacht restoration but I have other tricks and skills and lots of time people’s and patience.

Dude! I watch you in below deck, and dig your attitude and personality, so glad I found your channel. Peace brother and keep living the dream.

If you guys would have crossed the pacific like that, you would have ended up like sailing zingaro. Their cat litterely broke in half. I surveyed a lagoon 440, an a Fp 46 bahia, and a 40 manta last year. All had stress cracking. I am litterely batting 0 on every fiberglass multihull I surveyed. A couple people told me to look at trimarans. Because the horizontal distances are shorter between the hulls, they are much stiffer and less prone to stress cracks caused my excessive movement. From an engineering standpoint, that makes since. Right now, I am looking at a steel tri to hopefully get away from the stress cracking. If I find them on this vessel, in will probably go to a mono. They don't crack in half. Good luck on your repairs!!!

We are all rooting for you fellas. Stay positive and you will over come all. Good to see Lagoon stepped up when they realised that part of the issue was caused on their end during the initial build. Looking forward to seeing you back on the water in a reborn SP

@nuffsaid7952

3 жыл бұрын

If lagoon were really stepping up to the plate, they would load it onto a ship and take it back to the factory and rebuild it properly or give them a new cat. There are many lagoon owners that are now checking their boats and finding the same failures, albeit not as severe, and trying to get the repairs done with no help from lagoon despite being contacted. Some have already started legal action against lagoon from what I’ve heard. Don’t be fooled to think that lagoon are giving any assistance from the goodness of their hearts. They are pooing themselves as Parlay has a large social media following and this is going to have a huge impact on their businesses which is already resulting is loss of sales from what I’m hearing.

@gwizzler

3 жыл бұрын

@@nuffsaid7952 a rule I try to maintain in life and on social media is to not say negative things about anyone. We have all seen the footage and I for one was considering a lagoon until I saw this take place. After seeing what I have, I will likely go Leopard now or an xquisite

@nuffsaid7952

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwizzler that’s a very good rule and ethic to live by. I’m sure that Colin and Jamie won’t say what they really think on SM. You are making a wise decision to look away from Lagoon, of the 3 main production cruising cat builders Leopard builds a better quality production cat than the other 2. And they test sail each boat in the wild southern ocean off Cape Town SA. Lagoon has had these issues for a long time and not limited to the 450 either. If one does good research they will find many issues with Lagoon and also the poor to nonexistent after sales support especially if the boat is out of warranty or not the original owner. There are plenty of forums and news reports to support this.

@benlindner5285

3 жыл бұрын

@@nuffsaid7952 There is no way for the factory to repair that boat. They build these completely open, once everything is inside they put the top on it and seal it up. The best thing would be to cut it up and take it to the dump. It would be much cheaper for Lagoon to just send them another boat. Parley is a write off anything they do will be pissing it down the drain. Too bad but you just need to know when to walk away.

@nuffsaid7952

3 жыл бұрын

@@benlindner5285 it is repairable, a hell of a lot of hard work, blood, sweat and tears for sure but doable especially for Colin and Jamie. When the going gets tough the tough get going. Lagoon could repair it but it wouldn’t be worthwhile financially for them to do so. Everyone agrees that if it were possible the best would be to walk away and get another well built, sound cat. But Colin is in too deep in this cat, for him to walk away now would be throwing a lot of money down the drain, which I’m sure that he can’t afford to do. Agreed that it will never be worth the amount of money invested in it if it was on the market once repaired, but that wasn’t Colin’s plan anyway. I’m sure that once Colin and Jamie have done the repairs it will be 10x structurally better that it was when new, and they will be able to live their dream cruising along on their planned circumnavigation. It should be remembered that these build quality structural bulkhead issues are across the majority of the lagoon range from the 400, 440, 450, 500 & 620. I haven’t heard of any issues with the 560, but that may be due to nobody checking them yet. Most people here are unaware of that but Lagoon are and have known about these issues for many years. A little investigation will show that. Also there have and still are issues with Lagoons aft bulkheads not being watertight which they should be. This was highlighted back in May 2014 with a second 500 sinking due to the lack of watertight integrity of the aft mechanical space to cabin bulkhead. Lagoon avoided all responsibility on that claiming that it wasn’t a CE requirement despite their advertising at the time of marketing claiming that it was a watertight bulkhead.

Jamie has the “WTF” look throughout the whole video!

@scottdecker3072

3 жыл бұрын

LOL...he’s like, Damn no more drinking til all hrs of the morning....this is a tone of work

Some of your subscribers have been quick to place responsibility on Lagoon and it’s design team. From my observations, the majority of the damage in the bulkheads is most definitely moisture related. Although the plywood materials are considered “marine grade”, they’re still made of wood, a material that changes drastically with differences in moisture, regardless of how well it’s been “sealed” in resin. I wish you the best of luck (skill based) in your endeavors to repair this beautiful craft.

Colin. I'm not sure you will see this message. After looking away whilst you crawled under the deck ( just couldnt handle that ! ) I wanted to say, we all support you. You are facing what would normally be a catastrophic failure of Parlay, but your never say die attitude is what many of us, no doubt, love about you. All 138K subscribers are willing you onwards to fixing this old girl, and, seeing you on the ocean again, headed for NZ. Good luck, and we all cant wait to see you put in the hard work to get Parlay back stronger than ever. Go get em boys !

Keep it going guys it will all be behind you soon!

I guarantee all of these Lagoon 450 cats have at least some level of these same problems. Good luck guys 😳

@charlesharper2357

3 жыл бұрын

I used to have a thing for them...definitely not anymore.

@nwanchorcertification

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t help but wonder if all of theses boats have some kinda of damage on the other hand I have to wonder what the heck was done to this boat to make it bend like this

@charlesharper2357

3 жыл бұрын

@@nwanchorcertification It was an insurance write off after hurricane damage...they had no clue what they were getting in to.

@daversj

3 жыл бұрын

Really bad construction that there was no tabbing on those bulkheads, just glue and fillets. Even if they were tabbed they dont appear strong enough anyway. The engineering was flawed from the start. Clearly there were problems with this boat before the hurricane damage as well. Not only was the repair attempt inadequate but they likely kept tightening the rig as the boat bent, which made the problem worse.

@charlesharper2357

3 жыл бұрын

@@daversj But again...it was hurricane damaged and an insurance company had written it off. There's no such thing as a bargain cat...there's a hell of a lot of stresses on them...and weight is kept low to improve performance.

Glad I watched this before I purchased a lagoon. Boats of old are made so much better

Watching you work around all that fiberglass and climb around and it makes me feel so itchy

Colin, you deserve all the luck in the world taking that job on mate :-) It's a bloody good job someone once decided that stuff that doesn't kill us makes us stronger eh!

Dunno why watching this depressing shit is so addictive

@Morndenkainen

3 жыл бұрын

Because he's always managed to turn it around.

@AnyoneCanSee

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morndenkainen - Yeah, I agree. It's cool that his work ethic is being rewarded by the support of so many people. The can-do attitude is really positive to watch.

BRAVO.. Your engineer mind kicked in and you are doing it the right way. Back to the bones, and get to the source.. Good Luck, Colin. Cheers Doc

Literally havin a clausterfobic panic attack while watchin this part of you inspecting cockpit floor integrity! Daaamn!!!