Check out the video with Roman where he rants about thermal conductivity (that's the topic we transitioned to at the hard cut at the end of this one): kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZ-uqbaIqaa_orw.html Check out our previous video with Der8auer speaking on thermal paste and liquid metals here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXel2qdmZabaY9o.html And check out Der8auer on KZread (auf Deutsch): kzread.info Und auf Englisch: www.youtube.com/@der8auer-en

@grangesaves33

11 ай бұрын

hello steve

@chrisbullock6477

11 ай бұрын

Guys trying to make talking about CPU Thermals Sexy with that thumbnail!!

@quintrapnell3605

11 ай бұрын

Pin a link to his new thermal pad please

@frederickpallas7130

11 ай бұрын

Bitte einfach weiter kaffekränzchen, sehr unterhaltsam,schau ich mir später an.D4 et al

@clencheastwood1571

11 ай бұрын

Making a Derbauer interview sponsored by DeepCool is like making a NASA video sponsored by a 4H rocketry club.

a random "Roman & Steve talk about things for an unspecified period of time" video is always welcomed :)

@Premier-Media-Group

11 ай бұрын

agreed.

@Hagop64

11 ай бұрын

I want this to be it's own channel with regular videos. How many mod mats do I have to buy for this to happen?

@marcelmathes

11 ай бұрын

Like a podcast?

@seamoose1301

10 ай бұрын

@@marcelmatheswe need it

"That was a risky move, I'm glad it paid off" "Yeah, me too" 😂😂 I could watch these two for hours.

I love that Roman said “AIOs were a big problem” around 2:20 and didn’t use corporate speak and say “designing for AIO proved to be quite challenging”. No need for corporate speak in the enthusiast market.

@Thisandthat8908

11 ай бұрын

nad he talks in milimeters instead of 15 thousandth of an inch....

For the Stargate nerds out there the address on Roman's arm is planet PB5-926. This is the world that Apophis crashed on to in the 17th episode of season 2.

@GamersNexus

11 ай бұрын

Oh, cool! I'll have to ask him about it. I loved SG-1.

@AlleonoriCat

11 ай бұрын

Huh, quite specific actually. I couldn't quite make out what address that was but there's no way I would've guessed that one. Curious to know why that one, guess I better go find if he ever answered that.

@acarrillo8277

11 ай бұрын

@@AlleonoriCat There are resources online with lists of all known addresses. I just scanned through it and found the address on the list then looked up the planet number. On the Stargate WIKI all the planets listed mention what episodes they appear in. PB5-926 only appeared in the one episode.

@floodo1

11 ай бұрын

Roman is a huge Stargate fan. He has a video about buying a helmet prop because he’s such a fanboi

@malphadour

11 ай бұрын

You take the Nerd Victory today sir! :)

Super stoked to see a GN video going through the factory in Germany!

@PigeonJonas

11 ай бұрын

A meet and greet in Germany would be so cool. There is a big enthusiast community in Germany with many people with a scientific or technical background. I'm sure there would be a lot of interesting conversation. I myself started building PC's with your videos and went on from there.

I don't know what I'm gonna do when y'all slow down content soon 😭. I've become too accustomed to so much high quality work. I hope y'all enjoy a bit of a lighter workload!

@GamersNexus

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! We'll be back pretty strong once we can reset the cool down timer, haha

@YoutubeStoleMyNick

11 ай бұрын

Read a book.

@SierraAAM

11 ай бұрын

​@@KZreadStoleMyNick There are much better things to do in life.

@paulmartin2348

11 ай бұрын

@@SierraAAM Especially if you can't read or have no idea what books are for.

@BBWahoo

11 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Let me lick the sweat off your chest! Haha just kidding, only gamers get that one, unless...?

Derbeaur "meter = proper unit" Favorite part of the video

Always glad to see more Steve and Roman.

The best crossover series on KZread. Like seriously, it's always cool to see tech tubers meeting and Steve knows quite a few. Grüße aus Deutschland!

I've noticed Der8auer mentions before and seen the odd couple vids, but this made a 100x increase in my general impression. It's just nice to see someone who cares about their products and customer, instead of corporate shills who only want extort bucks with overmarketed subpar products. Feels like a really great boss too

Can we please have a thermal pad and phase-change material round up video? Carbonaut, Kryosheet, PTM7950, Cooler Master's Thermal Pad and their "Pad Pro," etc. There's so many options out there now, and all the products seem so similar, but are apparently specialized in different ways. Would be awesome to see how they perform, even if it doesn't show an extended duration test immediately.

@Jinrai_

11 ай бұрын

Seconded

@hammerheadcorvette4

11 ай бұрын

I'm more interested in knowing if it's "True" Graphene. Not a product that's got a ton of defects on the hexagonal layout and considered Graphene. If it's vertical, are the orbitals positioned accordingly???

You should always call him "derBauer mit 8"

@LFPGaming

11 ай бұрын

he should really lean into the "acht" as well, not just say it normally

@thatsitthatsit6835

11 ай бұрын

@@LFPGaming Definitely

@PinHeadSupliciumwtf

11 ай бұрын

​@@LFPGamingwhen I first read it I assumed it's der Achtauer.

@lille136

11 ай бұрын

I think that's exactly what he said at the beginning of their last video together 😅

These guys are 🔥together. The Off the Record, On the Record smacktalking podcast must happen!

I'm using Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut for years (since the release of the Ryzen 3000 series) on several machines and I can confirm that those pads perform very well. about 1.5°C hotter than good (thermal grizzly) paste on average, but they perform the same today as they performed on day 1. Absolutely happy with the product, looking forward to using Kryosheet in my Ryzen 7000 build in a few weeks.

@vasudevmenon2496

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Much better than repasting every 3 or 4 years

One of the best Bromances in the tech sphere!

I'm using the graphene pad in a build for the kid. He's old enough he lives on his own. This "set and forget" mentality is perfect considering his rig won't be serviced in at least a year. Using the wraith stealth cooler. I know it's not the best use case scenario, but it's only a 3600 so thermals probably will never affect the CPU.

Always nice to see some engineering talk with Roman and you. Also always good to see I'm not the only German just in the middle of talking English almost starting a sentence with "genau".

@commie.franky

11 ай бұрын

i thought the same, always switching to german and back to English 💀

As someone who specializes in making graphene and implementing applications for it, once you layer it in any direction, it's no longer acting as pure graphene and instead becomes nanoplatelet layers. It's still a bump up over traditional graphite but loses a lot of the magic of pristine single layer. Pure/pristine single layer is best used as an additive or topical layer for something else, otherwise you just have very thinly sectioned graphite again.

The foreshadowing of the thermal grizzly tour sounds really great :D In that case a small/big viewer gathering in Berlin would be a really nice thing :)

I think AMD made a mistake trying to keep AM4 mounting compatible with AM5. IMO they should have just made a better IHS and let the cooler manufacturers adjust and make new mounts.

@riphunter5100

11 ай бұрын

Sure but then the CPU won't overheat and that is bad for programmed obsolescence purposes. Because you know about electromigration didn't you?

@VideogamesAsArt

10 ай бұрын

@@riphunter5100 I don't think that's the reason since half their CPUs (including their most sold ones, X3D chips) don't reach above 80C since they have a much lower TDP. If all their products were capped to 95C (or at least the majority in terms of sales) then yes, I would believe it's for planned obsolescence

I had no idea Thermal Grizzly were German, but that explains so much.

@riphunter5100

11 ай бұрын

Roman is the managing director of the TG so yes is a German company and the fact that many tech reviewers are friends of Roman is very concerning as this can lead to a conflict of interest and biased reviews which is very bad for consumers.This kind of relationships between the management of tech corps and reviewers is a very dangerous slippery slope and all the secrecy about comparing Coductonaut with Gallinstan liquid metal and all the BS thermal conductivity marketing just shows that.

@ThunderingRoar

11 ай бұрын

@@riphunter5100 What slippery slope? Steve tested thermalright contact frame and it performed as good as TG frame at ¼ the price, so he straight up recommended it over TG

The cut to Jensen was a GOLDEN edit 😂. Great work as always GN team!

@riphunter5100

11 ай бұрын

Roman and Jensen are very much alike as both of them overprice their stuff beyound the limits of sanity.

@oggilein1

11 ай бұрын

@riphunter5100 the difference is that thermal grizzly is actually worth the money, and even for nvidia they get away with overpricing their cards because to many people they're still worth that money

The cursed Jensen clip right in the middle is indeed too much for me.

I didn't know I need this interview. The content on this channel has been extremely high quality lately. Made me appreciate Steve and the team at GN more then I already do.

Big fan of BOTH of your channels nice to see you together =)

Der8auer will be one of the first sources I look to for CPU cooling, one reason being the wealth of information this guy has each time he has a new product and the amount of effort it took to get to that point. I'm not even sure if I'll watercool my future PC build at this point, but it'll be a good bet. Good informative video, I'll take a Steve-Roman hangout vid anytime I can get it.

The most enjoyable thing about you two talking is that you totally speak the same language and are trying convey to your topic details in a manner than the general public will understand. Well done. (your eyes show how much you love to discuss your favorite topics) 😁

I just love, love, LOVE you two chatting together. viewers learn about physics and appreciate the chemestry between you guys. thats science love 🥰👍

Not related to the video but I'm so stoked to support GN and get my shirt and toolkit saturday!

@GamersNexus

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for buying one!

@ACallander22

11 ай бұрын

@@GamersNexus Gotta support such a great company/journalism! I'll purchase more later to help support more down the road.

@AstralSeer

11 ай бұрын

Yea I had the same idea. Purchased the globe, a glass and a shirt. Both the globe and glass arrived, hopefully the shirt soon too :P

Always a very interesting watch to see you two talking and enjoying the tech.

I would listen to you two discuss anything, even the best trash cans for the office! Your passion with talking about all aspects of your business is a pleasure to see.

So fun fact, those graphite sheets are so good in XY direction heat transfer you can stack a bunch of them and use it to create a thermal strap. It's used often in aerospace applications. Look up Boyd thermal straps for example.

I really like the level of research and expertise he goes into, I'm convinced, going with one of his products for my next thermal interface replacement.

I am loving all the Collabs keep them coming.

Man how old is Roman? So passionate and to be so successful at his age is amazing, what an awesome duo. Very educational!

I love how roman is super excited about what he does but also super realistic and calm about it.

love the content bro, so proud of you!!!

Always nice to hear what Der8auer is up to, nice chat.

Epic video! A wireview in white would be a instant purchase for me. Looking forward to GN checking out all these products.

As someone who's planning to buy a Kryosheet pad soon, those were the best usage instructions and caveats I could have hoped for.

@riphunter5100

11 ай бұрын

Graphene is one of the most electrically conductive materials so be careful with direct die applications because if that sheet touches any of the SMDs is going short circuit them harder than liquid metal.

@streetwind.

11 ай бұрын

@@riphunter5100 Thanks for the tip, although I'm just using it as a paste replacement for a system meant to run ten years without maintenance :)

@vasudevmenon2496

11 ай бұрын

​@@streetwind.Cover with kapton tape or normal insulation tape just to be safe

I LOVE YOU BOTH TOGETHER! Gemeinsam sollte man mehr machen!

Roman, can't wait for that AM5 direct die frame to be made available! I have all the rest of my new custom loop components ready to go, just waiting on the final piece!

I purchased an antec kuhler mount waaay back in the day from Der8auer's webpage back before he sold the design to the big AIO corps, it was a good ole THE GREEN Mod project on my gtx 670, and then i moved it to my 970 later, when they made the 970 with the same board layout

God damn it Steve (and crew), Killed me with those conversions. Thank you for helping me understand how much ACTUAL area that is, as a 'Murian gobbless

As a manufacturing operations guy that also has to do logistics it would be awesome if Steve does the the tour.

5:30 it makes sense if you want to capture more profit, the raw material is only the first step of the profit ladder, also keeps some process/jobs inland so export cannot completely dry out the industry.

Videos don't always need to be highly scripted. Great video!

The wireview product looks really cool. I think I will have to grab one of these asap. Please get these to market asap Roman!

We need an hour long uncensored round table discussion with Steve, Roman, Wendell and Gordon! OMG that would be epic. Maybe put the bleeped version on youtube and the uncensored version someplace else. 💯💯💯

Id be super stoked to see a AM5 direct die test with graphene pad and offset aircooler. Basically a completely hassle free package for long term use

Loved it, keep going and give us more info-talk like that. Huehuehue the "metric scale" ..

13:30 in my experience after forming alloy layer, LM will stop(slowdown) "drying". So just making pre-treatment cupper by LM + second application of LM later works quite well if you don't have access to nickel plated spreader.

I love to watch you both together!

If you go to Germany for visiting, you should definitely do a fan meet up!

Man I can watch you have long form conversations with other tech KZreadrs all day. But Roman in particular is super interesting when you are chatting.

4:39 Thank you for putting those in understandable units for us Americans. You even included my three favorite units :D

Great content Steve & Roman, we need another Collab.

They found each other and i love this kind of videos 👍🏻❤

always fascinating stuff these conversations

Thanks for the helpful on screen conversion from meters

I can't wait to see that factory tour

Been loving Thermal Grizzly and their products. Can‘t wait for these AM5 products to launch. Would be interesting to take a look at. Debating if I‘d try delidding or go with their other solution Roman mentioned that doesn’t need to be delidded. Especially with having a 7800x3d in a SFF case.

Happy to see two enthusiast together ❤

Yep, now I want AM4 versions of those

Really good explanation of Kryosheet and would be exactly what I'd want on my next PC build. Many Thanks!!!

@benjaminsmekens2344

11 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that Kryosheet is electrically conductive do, this wasn't mentioned in the video, but is important to be aware of.

@riphunter5100

11 ай бұрын

​@@benjaminsmekens2344 He REALLY SHOULD MENTION THAT but this video is pure advertising to me and of course nobody says anything bad about their product when advertising it because F*** consumers.

Thank you for breaking down the weird measurements discussed into useable metrics like number of whales, and garbage trucks. Can’t understand what anyone would use any other system, it’s so arbitrary!

I don't know if you have discussed it yet or not, but there is an equation from Thermodynamics than can help you understand heat transfer in liquid cooled systems: Q-dot = m-dot*c*delta-t Where Q-dot is the specific heat transferred, m-dot is the MASS flow rate of the coolant, either in lb-m per hour or kg per second c is the specific heat capacity of the coolant, either in BTU per lb-m * deg F or kJ per kg * deg K delta-t is the difference in temperature between the incoming (cold?) coolant and the outgoing (hot) coolant. and the * is used to signify multiplication operations. When I had to use this formula I was still trained in EES (English Engineering System) units, so c assumed units of BTU/lb-m * deg F, which, for water is about 1 BTU per lb-m *deg F. Since most temperature measurement in the US is still done in deg. F, this might be convenient. There's a page at The Engineer's Toolbox: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-thermal-properties-d_162.html which covers the thermal and other physical properties of water. If you prefer your measurements in MKS (SI) units, this page can easily help convert from one to the other. Deriving mass flow rate of water in a system depends strongly on temperature and pressure, as these affect water's density, and all bets are off if the water is at or above saturation temperatures at the specific pressure being used. How you measure mass flow rate depends on how much you want to spend. Usually devices such as rotameters (which are available relatively cheaply) are adequate for all testing/comparison purposes if correctly installed and calibrated. The upshot of all this is: The greater the delta-t, the more work is being done at a given mass flow rate. Y'all forgive me if my recollection of things is a bit fuzzy - I haven't actually had to use any of this since I left the Navy (over forty years ago). Anybody who wants to chime in with a correction is welcome to. Heck, I might learn something that way.

I would really love a Podcast with Steve&Roman!

Two intelligent people with deep interest in the discussing topic cant have a boring topic. I did not sub to you and roman to get makeup tips, i did it to get anything remotely related to PC hardware and liquid cooling ;) Production of said cooling is very interesting for you, and so it is for me!

That block looks really dope I have to say. Nice clean aesthetics

Mega interessant ihr solltet mehr Videos machen, auch auf der Messe❤😊👍

This is a great antidote to my seeing and thinking of Americans and Germans as sterotypes; nevermind the tech and the bromance, righting my prejudices is probably the best thing these video collabs do. 👍👍👍

This is the best type of content.

We need more!

Woohoo, Der 8auer rocks my world!!

Two of the best in the tech space, boys

a few years ago we had to connect a machine that produces connectors for the automotive industry. we were told that this machine must produce a million plugs, all of which must be inspected and approved before the customer buys a single plug.

this is one of those videos where i actually learnt important stuff and i'll keep it in mind forever tbh, especially the graphene/graphite difference. So kinda rant no one will read but I'll go ahead, i had a thermal pad years ago, i think it must have been graphite, it had terrible thermal conductivity bc i was using it on a high end ryzen cpu with its IHS and such, i was able to reuse it tho but i kinda gave up on that idea bc TERRIBLE performance, but graphene sounds very useful so i may give it a try someday. Also linking this to the digital singages thermal solutions (it's one of my interests), i have a little signage pc i bought for 15€ years ago, it's very low end and ewasty but i use it for torrents and such (im literally the only seeder on a lot of torrents from shows and movies that are on the brink of becoming lost media), the special thing is that its passively cooled and can cool a 35W load fairly ok (except in summer tbh), it uses a weird laptop/desktop cpu from intel, apparently this era (2010-2014ish) intel was making a socket (G2) and cpus intended for both laptop and these singage pcs, some of them are only for singages and others are for laptops and singage, the difernce? they can use desktop ram and laptop ram lol. This one uses a celeron b810 (it SUCKS and ive been meaning to upgrade just so it doesnt overheat), aliexpress has some quad core cpus for this socket at like 6€ atm, they used to be 20 but no one was buying them so im thinking of getting one. Anyway, thing is graphene maybe works great in here I'm thinking, it's direct die bc laptop-ish cpu but the heatsink is aluminum so i cant do liquid metal, also since it's pasibly cooled i dont really open it up often. Also fun fact: The heatsink is a *SOLID BLOCK* of aluminum and then a thermal pad on the top that contacts the metal case (basically you put the top of the case back when assembling and screw it from the back and it gets sandwiched, to get an idea the form factor is like a wi-fi router), been thinking of getting a thermal pad replacement for it too, i checked the minus pad extreme but it seems that not only the pad is extreme but the price too so can't really do that forthis like it'd make no sense whatsoever, but i need a 2 or 3mm thick thermal pad for this so idk, i'll keep searching but if anyone knows of a cheap but decent solution lemme know. TL;DR, graphene is cool, i love the world of singage pc's thermal solutions and i have too much free time

Roman has a great mind! I always value his work!

@Amber57499

11 ай бұрын

True perfectionist

Fascinating stuff guys

I should probably be more worried about how entertaining I find this kind of content 🤓

Roman showed that CPU block from a vietnamese modder that used the cooler mounting holes as the water inlet/outlet for a completely clean look. I think his own block could be made to do this with a differently designed acrylic part and custom backplate.

Awesome, now get Jayz also same time into the discussion, let it run over hours and i will still watch it! ♥♥♥♥♥

1:25 Steve looking at the heatspreader "My precious!"

I wonder how the vertical graphene pad compares to the Honeywell PTM7950 phase change pad Nvidia brought to our attention?

I'd really like to see all the different thermal pads that thermal grizzly sells compared. I'm really interested in the graphene pad but they have quite a few on their website.

Thanks Steve, Und Danke Schön Roman! Wann gibt es ein Computex im Deutschland?

Two of my favorites!

Great stuff!

Mr Bauer is everywhere now. Im impressed. 😆

I'm interested in those specialized re-oriented graphene pads. I want to know how they compare to the newer 'phase-change' pads that GPUs are using, the ones that require a certain pressure to set correctly, the ones that require equipment that consumers won't have and may not properly reapply with just the typical four-point retention mounting being torqued down; this seems like a fairly comparable replacement for those getting into cards or replacing them, reusability aside. I'm also curious about longevity, is it truly set and forget, as in can I throw it into a system that has a 10+ year life cycle and truly never have to touch it again, or is there actually a point where long-term maintenance is needed; I could think of some applications where this could be useful outside of just computing, where the solutions are usually some kind of thermal adhesive/epoxy or just soldering for longevity purposes. And I get why people dislike the 12VHPWR connector, personally I'm not a fan of the current implementation as it could be improved, but at the same time look at it from a cable clutter perspective with official specs, you're minimizing what was triple 8-pin of a larger pin and pitch into a very compact connector. Of course the 8 pin can physically handle a much, much higher power throughput than the official spec ever allowed, but the official spec for the new connector is massive, as you're not only minimizing pin size and pitch for an overall connector minimization, but you're also minimizing pin and wire count, which is huge for both PCB/header purposes and for cable clutter concerns. There's also other uses for something like this, imagine if 12VO adopted it, imagine if ATX (or a successor) adopted it for CPU power, imagine if there was a motherboard + CPU combo connector that's smaller than what the current motherboard 24 pin connector is; and it goes beyond just this, imagine if the GPU power slot (like what Asus is trying now) sticks long-term (whether or not it's PCIe or a future spec) and the board itself becomes the power backplane, this further reduces overall cable clutter by grouping multiple connectors into one area, then imagine if various internal I/O standards also sees connector footprint and wire bulk reductions, etc., which then assists in other ideas being feasible such as the backside connector motherboards. Sure, there's early teething issues, and various concepts need to snowball together, but these various things also have major implications for the future of the space if and when these things do start snowballing together; though I think one major hurdle is hanging onto antiquated specs, ATX and PCIe, etc., can only adapt to the changing industry so much before they just need replaced, for example look at the server industry and how certain systems are getting away with higher physical bandwidth by using a finer pitch add-in slot that essentially makes a PCIe x32 slot out of an x16 footprint, and as another example ATX just doesn't make sense for when 12VO, HPWR connectors, and the motherboard as a power plane do snowball together, as you'd need a significantly different approach to board layout than what ATX dictates. Evolution in bound to happen and needs to happen, and the earliest of massive changes always has teething issues, but the industry needs to adapt to changes that're beneficial for basically everyone involved, because not only would these changes make things simpler for consumers, it'll also make the lives of system builders and techs easier, and there'll come a point where overall simplicity will deter proprietary nonsense. And really if someone isn't sold on this yet, just look at what it can do for the newer NUC platform, the one that has a system backplane and a compute card, rather than a motherboard, HPWR and 12VO reduces cable clutter, using the system board as a power plane with add-in slot power connectors simplifies power distribution, which very quickly leads to a single-cable between the system as a whole and the PSU; then further this with other things, like if we ever have a competent solution for daisy-chaining fans, RGB, accessory LCDs, etc., or if we find a way to better minimize internal I/O headers, of which USB Type E (the one introduced with USB 3.1, the one that's significantly smaller than the 3.0 header) has already done, of which front panel connection needs standardization with a minimized connector, and legacy specs such as SATA need to start adopting minimized power plus data connectors. The future of SFF could not only thrive but easily become the norm, besides GPUs currently being behemoths.

If I feel smarter after warching Your video, I know that the time is not wasted 😉 greetings from Poland.

I'm curious of a good solution to IHS designs would be to make the IHS finned/grooved, and meant to mesh together with finned/grooved cooler blocks. Tolerances would be a little more challenging to meet, but I feel like it MIGHT also resolve issues from uneven mounting pressure.

Thanks Steve!

I'm going to need some exact numbers regarding the performance of that graphene sheet of vertical graphene thingy, it superior durability over liquid metal may actually get me into direct die cooling

Had to watch twice because I was too distracted trying to figure out what Stargate Address was on Roman's Tatoo..... :P

X3D direct-die blocks for next Gen! Make it so! LOL Heck, see if you can work around the stacked cache thermal issues...even a little.

Really wish Gamers Nexus made an investigation piece about those Honeywell TPM pads which are getting use on laptops now and how they compare to the competition. I think pads make sense for devices like laptops where changing paste is a pain and there are effects like mounting pressure and device orientation but there's not a lot of info out there

@churt6754

11 ай бұрын

Honeywell PTM7950 is the more commonly used PCM pad, Lenovo uses a custom variant of the 7950 known as PTM7958 for their Legion series laptops. In 2022 (Gen 7) Legion machines, it's used on both the CPU and GPU, and the 2023 machines (Gen 8) use LM on CPU and PTM on GPU. Both 7950 and 7958 are also available in the usual paste syringe, which are designated as 7950-SP and 7958-SP.

"Proper unit". Respects from Finland to Germany!