Great video man! I've also told DJI they need to ditch that whole gimbal setup and make just a cinema camera. They would attract so many buyers, the limitations of the gimbal + lenses makes it a deal breaker for many.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, much appreciated coming from you! Yeah it makes a lot more sense this way: start with a cinema camera first with all those fancy features from the handles and wireless. Then follow through with the Ronin 4D. I'm sure adoption rate would've been MUCH HIGHER. Thanks again for the support

@TohPhimmasenh

Жыл бұрын

I think all they need to do is just make the gimbal lock stronger, No wobble at all and can hold heavier lens

@mondobytes

Жыл бұрын

@@TohPhimmasenh it can already hold pretty much any lens when locked, the problem is now I’m carrying extra weight for no reason which means I can’t even use a gimbal because it’s too heavy now. This is exactly what happened on a shoot about a month ago. We wanted to use the Ronin 4D but the Mercury Lenses from Atlas were a tad to heavy so instead we used a Komodo X with a DJI RS3 Pro and worked much better. The gimbal part although a good idea on paper in real world scenarios doesn’t really work for many situations because you’re forced to use DJI lenses or smaller lenses from other manufacturers. The limitation is a deal breaker for many and if they made it modular just like the Flex system I feel the Ronin 4D could really stand on its own.

@aleriga1981cr

Жыл бұрын

exactly and if they will market it as a modular system in a way that brain and sensor where in the $6k range will make them a lot of sales...knowing that you can get the fancy gymbal later on

@dukebozikowski3801

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY Did you shoot ProRes Raw on the Sony? I'm assuming you did but I just wanted to check

Absolutely insane video, the amount of information is just epic. Who could have thought Raptor is the low light king? But damn DJI really did good job on their sensor tech. If they released standalone cinema camera I would buy it in a heartbeat.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man!!! We need a DJI camera, forget about gimbals and Drones! I want THAT sensor!!

@blackbird8837

Жыл бұрын

especially at their pricing.

@dukebozikowski3801

3 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure what’s happening with the second native ISO is that it’s actually switching up to the second circuit at around 4000 but they make 5000 the native ISO so that way there’s an even amount of stops of dynamic range between the shadows and highlights.

I learned a lot from this! In my mind though, the FX3 should only be operated at 800 and 12,800 ISO. Hence why we have Cine EI. So weather being compared to linear or other dual ISO, its pointless to be compared outside of its "base" iso's. But with all that said, the 4D image quality is amazing. From my own tests, it edge out the FX3 from everything from resolution to noice to dynamic range. Its a super underrated CINEMA camera.

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@bemboing4338 I personally haven’t experienced any fuzziness at 12,800. Granted my color grades can get a bit advance and I’m able to really stretch any footage. I think a lot of these online tests are a bit rudimentary. Def not this video tho, super detailed. Learned a lot!

@cammackey

Жыл бұрын

@@bemboing4338 I’ve heard that a lot too, but I anways use film grain so never bugged me personally. And thank you!!! I’m excited to make some LUTs for the Komodo X!

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I don't agree on "Should only be operated at 800 and 12800 ISO". You saw how each ISO has a different DR for example, native is not always the BEST in everything, it might have a DR distribution that's not good for your scene, or even a lowrered DR. Let's also agree that other than native, it's mainly a gain algorithm applied by the camera, all provided it's shot in RAW. Finally in many situations, you migh tend up being stuck in a situation where no light or aperture will help in shooting in native, so you'll be forced to shoot off native.

@originimages4662

11 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY I agree that there are lighting situations in which light or aperture will not provide sufficient exposure, most lacking adequate light and not being able to add more. In that case, you want a camera with the highest usable ISO, which when given the options from the cameras that you compared will be the FX3 or the FX6. In that situation that camera has the most light gathering available with a more than usable image.

Epic video. Such a good resource. Honestly its top notch. Definitely not too nerdy. There are so many videos out there that add nothing at all, have no details and don't teach anything. You are the exception and its great to see someone do well and actually inform people of new knowledge.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU so much for the kind words, really glad this was helpful and it says something about the camera beyond just hype. Thanks again for your support

DJI's built-in ND filter has been tested to be very accurate in the industry, hardly ever heard of off-colour problems, so don't worry!

@THEDPJOURNEY

8 ай бұрын

Not worried, rather impressed

On of the best sensor comparison videos I’ve seen in my life. Incredible narrative, and planing. Many camera reviewer gods should take this time when talking about specs after they are sent a camera.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

THAK YOU so much for you support and kind comment. I would be super grateful if you share it with your peers. Thanks again Gaston

One of the best, most informative and well put together videos on dynamic range, noise and their correlation. 👏 Kudos to you!

@THEDPJOURNEY

5 ай бұрын

Much appreciated! Thanks for watching

You make the complicated information fun to watch and more enjoyable! What an effort.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for appreciating the effort that went to it. I mean testing the camera is one thing, and trying to simplify it while being technically correct is another. So thanks again

This is amazing! Thank you so much for doing these tests and sharing the information. This just proves that specs don't always tell the true story. We should be testing and understanding our cameras to know how and when we can push them.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your support, and what you said is absolutely what everyone should be doing... specs are just an FYI, but your own testing is what matters. That's why we have should use youtube to share those info with everyone, not just overhype things Thanks again

This quite possibly might be the best tutorial/review that I've ever seen. IMO, blows Gerald Undone away. Thanks for this, as I own both the 4D and FX3

Your editing is so clean and understandable. Thank you!

@THEDPJOURNEY

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words

WOW - great in-depth testing AND analysis! Thanks for putting so much time and effort into this!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Wow! Thank you Sherif 🙏 for this great video packed with so much information and I am always in wait for your valuable long detailed videos.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thanks for watching and happy to make more of these

This was extremely informative and I gotta say those motion graphics are fantastic !

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, thanks for watching

Okay this video was randomly recommended to me by the algorithm, but turned out production in it is basically a benchmark. I'm at loss of words. As aspiring creator, seeing this level of quality, gets me depressed and inspired at the same time!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I’m really happy the algorithm, decided to show it to you, and for you to eventually decide to watch it. Thank you so much for the kind words and it would really mean a lot if you can share it with everyone.

Amazing quality content, the way you deconstruct everythings blow my mind and in not so nerdy. Can't stop thinking of the S1H 12.7 DR for a 2019 camera

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support! Yeah you gotta get nerdy with sensors, it makes everything much clearer.

@frankfeng2701

Жыл бұрын

This IMX410 sensor has been used on so many popular full-frame cameras, including the FF mirrorless bestseller Sony a7iii, as well as S1H, S1, S5, S5ii, D780, Z6, Z6ii, Z5, FX9, a7c, fp, SL-2, etc.

@Chips-Lab

Жыл бұрын

@@frankfeng2701 even FX9 ?!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind the same sensor can perform very differently based on the way you tweak it and program it. Think of it like a race car engine, you can get completely different performances based on what do you need from it. So I guess DJI managed to squeeze a lot more juice out of it

@makatron

Жыл бұрын

The S1H only missed a good autofocus to be the true king. Everybody made fun of the built-in fan only to then do it themselves too.

You always put in a lot of effort in the videos you post. well done.

Love your channel! Thank you for all the work you put into these videos.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thanks for your support

WOW! my man did it again! This presentation is superb! Even though I am not super techie (but I love gear...), I found this super easy to understand.. besides I learnt so much! Thank you!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thanks as always for your continued support

Thanks (again and again) so much for a beautifully epicly informative video! DJI needs to release a stand-alone camera house ASAP.

Great, thanks! It was very clear to me. I’d love to see a new video about the X9-8K sensor update, especially to learn how it performs with Dynamic Range Expansion and in low-light situations.

@THEDPJOURNEY

4 күн бұрын

The X6 is much better value for money. The only advantage I see in the times nine is the OLPF filter. It also lacks many of the codecs from the X6 and the Native ISO distribution is way worse than X6. I don’t recommend it, even if it’s the same price as the X6. I honestly didn’t see a point to make an episode about it because of this and a lot more smaller stuff.

DJI is really doing an impressive job not only making a breakthrough innovation by creating a unique camera system but also making their system "usable" for a production scale

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they did a pretty good job I must say

Mmmmmm….eye candy. State of art video as always. Thx for sharing all effort. It always makes me happy.

What a fantastic video… truly shocked at your findings! Great work.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate your kind words. It’d really help if you can share it please. Much appreciated 🙏

I always find your content very easy to follow, well done 👍

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Really happy to hear that, it’s really hard to simplify such highly technical information

Your content is a joy to watch, always, thanks!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching

Fantastic video as always. So glad you clearly demonstrated the relatively unknown poor noise performance habits of the FX3/A7Siii. I'd love to see you deep dive on the Sony A1's video performance in 8K mode, that camera seems to be under-rated for video performance.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! You maybe I'll try and work on that. thanks again for your continued support

Had to subscribe after this video! Awesome content and very informative.

@THEDPJOURNEY

9 ай бұрын

Really appreciate it, welcome aboard

Thank you for such an in depth review, it was extremely informative.

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Great video. I honestly couldnt be happier with this camera. When you break down all the things about the camera besides the gimbal, it is hard to beat. Pulling focus from the handle, moving camera head with joystick, blackmagic style screen interface(touchscreen and user friendly), the image!, pull focus on manual lenses(w/focus motor for ronin 4d) and calibrate to autofocus, switch camera mounts to E,M,L,or DL mounts. When you think about price and how much you would have to buy to make any other camera do all of this its a no brainer. Aprehension of buying is typically because of price, you are not sure and it looks weird, Your secretly jealous, or you think it has limitations on lenses. Well im hear to say every time i use this camera and show other filmmakers they are like "wtf! This is ridiculous and amazing". It immediately has that magic feeling you felt when you were a kid playing video games.

@drxephonic5405

Жыл бұрын

All mentioned here sums up my thoughts that has me seriously looking to getting this camera. Add PL Mount as well, the DZO PL to DL Mount option.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with what you're saying, the main problem is, you're buying the whole package together all at once. While everyone looks at it as an expensive camera, when it's actually a camera + Gimbal + monitor + LIDAR + SSD. if you buy them separate, they won't be that far from the price

This is the greatest camera comparison video I have ever seen. Spectacular work.

@THEDPJOURNEY

10 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks!

Awesome test and work ! Thanks you man. Following since gh5 =)

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the continued support, really appreciate it

Amazing! Very thorough. I wish there was a video like this for the new Panasonic S5IIX

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment, sorry I don't have the S5 to test it out

Incredibly detailed and informative dude. You got my follow!

@THEDPJOURNEY

12 күн бұрын

Thank you so much, welcome aboard 👍👍

Incredible detailed video!!!!

Man this channel is supremely underrated! What a debunking video to begin with. Could find myself saying amazing amazing amazing throughout and I am only 2/3rd of the video in. Geez you have my subscription and all the respect! WOW.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you! You’re so kind, and welcome aboard.

Well done! Again doing contents more out of the box! Plus all the motion graphics add even more value to your channel, as they are simple but really nice! Thanks

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the compliment and the kind words, I would really appreciate if you could share it with everyone. Thanks again.

wow..... I am just SO impressed by this video man. Incredible work.

@THEDPJOURNEY

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the compliment, glad you liked it 🙏

@PhillGraaf

5 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY it’s incredible my man, and looks so professional. I have one question that I couldn’t find answered anywhere… can you mount a wireless lav on the ronin 4D? Does it have a cold shoe?

OMG!!!! The comparison is epic!!! Never heard anyone talk about its sensor. Thank you master

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Maggie, you're awesome

The best camera comparison I ever seen ! It felt like I was watching a Netflix documentary about cameras🔥👌

Hands down, the best practical test ive seen on youtube so far. No bull.

@THEDPJOURNEY

10 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for your kind compliments, really happy you liked it. Was trying to be as objective as possible

best review of 4D so far Thank you so much for your hard work Man.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

My absolute pleasure pleasure!

Thank you SOO MUCH for taking ISO vs DR into the comparison. WHY never talks about this! thank you. ^^

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I KNOWWWW!! Was actually thinking of having an episode just for that

@chrisjmedia

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY yes pls do this! :D

Extremely interesting info. Great video, as usual!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support

This editor presentation is award winning

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙏 Much appreciated

Brilliant test as always!

@THEDPJOURNEY

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Paul!

This is exactly why I moved to the 4D as my A cam and a zv-e1 as my B cam. Great video

Wow. Sherif, this video is so amazing and well-thought-out ! Thank you for debunking myth that a camera with larger pixels (and thus having lower resolution ) means it's good in low - light. I also appreciate how you were so objective throughout this video ( given that most KZreadrs here are Sony fanboys).

Realy great video! BTW the second ISO is not just about resetting the noise, it's about ressetting the distribution of dynamic range stops back to around base levels - as we boost ISO you gain stops in the highlights and loose them in the shadows. Having dual native ISOs restets the spread of highlight and shadow information to closer to 'native'. That's why the noise resets at 4000 but it's not the designated second native, it probably doesn't have as much range in the shadows to be comparative to 800.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, with that said, did you notice how the DR reset is happening in 4000, not 5000. there's a weird change happening there. So it seems their 2nd native is 4000 not 5000. Also their 8K sensor's second native is 4000 as well... so yeah, something to think about

@ShaneVanLitz

Жыл бұрын

As with most dual ISO cameras the noise resets earlier than the claimed 'base' iso. That's when the camera swaps to the new gain circuit, not when the cameras dynamic range is at it's 'baseline' for what the company considers best for stops distributed under or above middle grey. At ISo 4000 it will have more dynamic range in the shadows and not enough in the highlights to have the spread considered to be the new 'native' level. @@THEDPJOURNEY

As always, great animation and all informations are here!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

Wow! Great test! Thanks

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Cheers, thanks for watching and please share if you can

Wow, that was a lot of work to make this video! Fantastic stuff.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Yes it was :) Thanks for appreciating the effort that went into it. You're awesome

This was a crazy good video. As an FX3 and Sigma FP owner, I'd love to see how the Ronin stacks up to the FP, as that's another camera that I feel the sensor is vastly underrated on. Great animations and overall quality of content. Keep up the amazing work!

@DennisSchmitz

Жыл бұрын

same sensor on both. It's a great one still.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind having the same sensor doesn't mean you'll get the same exact performance, each camera brand tweaks it in their own way, pushing and pulling to their own flavor.

@TheReelport

Жыл бұрын

@@DennisSchmitz which cameras you mean same sensor?

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

He meant FP and Ronin

@TheReelport

Жыл бұрын

Wow, didn't know. FP is miles behind ronin, interesting

Absolutely amazing video cheers

@THEDPJOURNEY

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Great review about cameras I ever seen!!!!! Thank a lot!!! God please bless him!!!! Many thanks!

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words, please share it if you can, much appreciated

Had to revisit this video again because of HOW good it is... Also needed some more motivation to finally purchase the 4D haha... But honestly man... Incredible work! One question... I know you talked about this a bit but is it really fair to compare 4k to 6k when it comes to the noise levels? I also wonder how all the tests on the 4D would look like when you do not film in ProRes RAW, since I will not be filming in RAW for the most part. Thank you so much again for this video! Instant sub.

@THEDPJOURNEY

4 ай бұрын

First of all, thank you so much for the kind words, and for revisiting the video. To answer your questions, yes it is technically unfair to compare 6K against 4K when it comes to noise, but the massive difference I saw between both goes way beyond what I was expecting. Imagine the 4D has a 4K sensor with the same exact performance as the 6k, the noise levels diff would be at most 3% difference, 6k being better of course , but here I saw maybe what could be considered as 20%+ reduction in quality, the FX3 went way beyond the unfair range that you can’t really consider it. Maybe the more fair comparison would be with the FX9, since it’s a 6k sensor. But I can assure you it’s not gonna be much better. As for not shooting in RAW, that would be even more unfair and hard to quantify, since both cameras have very different kinds of noise reduction algorithms, making the results very unpredictable when comparing different scenes in different lighting, so basically you’ll be comparing how good or bad the noise reduction is, not what the sensor really gives you to work with Hope that helps

@PhillGraaf

4 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY huge thanks once again! You are incredibly good at explaining, thank you very much.

Incredibly helpful deep dive-- thank you!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

thanks a lot Justin, glad you liked it

@justinwilliams2919

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY I just finished day 1 of 4 of an event coverage using the 4D in all kinds of shooting environments and this really confirmed for me that the base ISOs might be different than advertised. All that to say perfect timing and this was very well payed out.

Awesome video as always! Quick question, though. Have you tested the Ronin 4D vs the Sony FX3 shooting ProRes RAW with an Atomos Ninja V? I think it’ll be great to do a video comparing those 2 setups. Keep up the good work!

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for the comment, yes that what I did to record PRRAW from the FX3 correct

Magnificent as usual my man! Highlight rolloff shoot-off, the cine-nerd's ultimate wet dream, haha! Quite astonished how bad FX3 compares in lowlight, with such a fugly green tint in even lower ISO... Sony colour science. Interested to know your thoughts on the Kinefinty Mavo MK II...? Big applause, thanks!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I was shocked myself at the kind of results aI got from FX3. As I mentioned, I thought it'll beat the Ronin... but it failed miserably

Sorry for the bad English, I'm Russian, but I have long come to the conclusion that the dual native iso is not designed to reduce noise, as many bloggers claim, but to be able to re-redistribute the dynamic de-range in shadows and lights.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that camera brands were marketing it as a second "Clean" ISO setting. I actually had a whole section I deleted from the video to keep it shorter, that explored how the DR also resets slightly at 4000, you can already see it in their DR/ISO chart. So yeah, I know about the second ISO and DR fact, but most people wouldn't understand the correlation unless I explain it first. Thanks again

Really good video, thanks :) There was lot of new infos :O

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Great video! And I suppose we can see how fine-tuning a sensor really matters! Because I heard the 4D uses the same "old" IMX410 sensor as the A7M3.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I was just replying to another comment saying the same thing about the IMX410 actually. There's a whole tech circus the camera brand need to work on around the sensor to pull the flavor they need from it, each camera can tweak it to its liking, push and pull to find what they want to offer to us. Like a raw image... if you give it to 2 different people, they'll give you 2 very different results. SONY came up with A7M3, DJI came up with Ronin 4D

@DennisSchmitz

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY Also there have been various revisions of the IMX410. The sensor is also used in the FX9 and S5IIx which perform way better than the A73 as well ;)

i hope so much you test the 8k ronin 4d also :) i loved that video man

@THEDPJOURNEY

4 ай бұрын

I already did… and my sincere advice is to stick to the 6K

4 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY oh but it is not online right ?

@THEDPJOURNEY

4 ай бұрын

Was planning to work on an episode to cover the reasons why I would not advise the 8K except for very few people that might find it a better choice, just haven’t had the time to work on that video honestly since it’s not a priority

4 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY ah i understand that! :)

HEY! Amazing! It's really crazy how much effort you put into your videos! Say which lenses you personally prefer to use for the Ronin 4D?

@THEDPJOURNEY

9 ай бұрын

So far I would use the Sony 1.8s They’re pretty small and lightweight. Of course putting on heavier lenses makes it a lot harder to handle, and that’s the main issue with this awesome camera.

@the_designerskitchen

9 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you so much. Last Question.! The Autofocus works fine with the Sony FE 1.8s? I think i will Bus the 35, 50 and 85

What editing denoise do you use? Phenomenal video! I have a 4D and was thinking about getting an FX3 but I'm thinking about just getting another 4D if I decide to get another camera!

@THEDPJOURNEY

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind comment! Yeah the 4D is by far the best performing sensor I’ve seen so far from all mirrorless. I’ve put the link to the denser in the description by the way Thanks again

@cadmanfilm

3 күн бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY Great to know! I got an FX3 and really love it, there are things I love more about it in comparison to the 4D, so much so I am very split on which one I should get a twin of first!

Man man man,🔥 you shocked me😄 After 3 years thinking about FX3, and I believe how fx3 was the best of last 2 years for me Now you really one more time change my mind😄🔥 You can’t believe how your videos keep me watching it that I don’t like to see ending in your videos.😄 Thanks for your time🙏🏼

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

OMG, thans a lot for such awesome support, it really makes my day and pushes me to do more when i see such awesome support from awesome people like you. Thanks again for watching and for your support

@originimages4662

Жыл бұрын

I would say the ISO comparison here should be taken with a GIANT GRAIN OF SALT, given that even if the FX3 at ISO 12800 is a noise score of 65, as you say, practically and scientifically speaking no one increases their ISO to measure the points of noise. We increase the ISO to boost the signal in cases were we can't compensate with additional light. So the most relevant fact here is NOT the 1 point (your scale, not mine) of additional noise, it IS the additional stops of signal light increased by the FX3's additional ISO's that neither the 4D nor the V-Raptor have at all. (Meaning they can't compete at all.) The fact that at ISO 12800 the FX3 has increased my signal for a negligible amount of noise compared to these two camera's only solidifies that the FX3 is better than both these cameras in low light shooting scenarios. I've personally seen very usable footage come out of the FX3 at ISO's well above 12800, which you can't even run that comparison. Further and far less arguable is that because of the physics of the sensors themselves, there isn't currently any technology that allows a 6k and 8k sensor to outperform a 4k sensor in low light without the sensors themselves being much larger than than full frame or maybe even medium format. It just doesn't exist.

Absolutely incredible video!!!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated. Thanks.

Hello, excelent video. do you have any comparison between bmcc fullframe and a7s3 and sh1? thank you

@THEDPJOURNEY

4 ай бұрын

I’m planning to review the FF BM, so I’ll probably compare it to the FX 3

Great 📹 video, have you gotten to try the Lumix S5 IIX has the 6K raw video get any upgrades with the newer processor

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tried it honestly. Waiting for the S1H MKII

@eggy1711

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY very true should be a good upgrade.

@colinthomas2525

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY hope it has built in nds

Your video is amazing!!! Love it!! How do you think 4d vs Komodo or KX in low light?

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, I didnt test the Komodo honestly, so not sure. I believe there are some comparisons out there I watched, but they're not really giving much useful info unfortunately

Man really would have love to seen the S1h thrown in the mix. I really thought the fx3 would really do better. Kinda blowing my mind. Love your vids. Thanks!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I was actually very disappointed at the FX3 as well... or rather, very impressed with the Ronin since the FX3 was kind of as good as it gets with low light

Which lens did you use on the 4D?

Fantastic review as always. Do you think the Alexa 35 has similar color shift in the internal ND? Not as much?

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

thanks for you comment, not sure, but I assume it won't have any visible color shifts considering their super high standard of quality control and ND 6 is not that hard to make without color shifting.

is there a possibility for you to do such DR and noise tests for Fujis? thinking here of X-H2s and the new GFX 100 II

@THEDPJOURNEY

9 ай бұрын

Honestly I do t have Fujis and they never reached out. But I would surely consider it if they do

I revisit this as the 4D is almost half off right now. It honestly looks from your testing like the better sensor. But with all the 4D updates, more limited codecs, it’s still a tough call. The versatility of the FX3 is still a pretty easy choice.

@THEDPJOURNEY

26 күн бұрын

For sure, the FX3’s size, more lens compatibility makes it a more versatile choice. But if you care more about image quality, then so far, the 4D is on top of

Great analysis! Thank you!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

La mejor reseña que he visto en mi vida!!!

@THEDPJOURNEY

9 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏

Great video,why you didn't put in the comparison the excellent canon c70?

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, yeah I don’t have it actually, also I was focusing on the FF sensors here mainly

We need more of this!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

coming right up

Great observations and video as always! BUT I think you should emphasize more that this is FX3's RAW performance. In H.264 or HEVC sony does a really good job in getting rid of a lot of noise while still retaining a somewhat sharp image. Not a lot of people shoot only RAW video. It would be interesting if you populated the comparison charts with HEVC and AVC noise performance, so we could see more meaningful comparisons. As always top notch video!

@jordanwright5795

Жыл бұрын

I think he mentioned that his intent was to analyze primarily the sensor itself and the best way to do that is to look at the RAW video output. I get your point in regards to real world use - but that said there are a lot of us who shoot primarily in RAW in fact I don’t think I have ever used the ProRes built into my REDs or when we rent Alexa’s for a job but that has a lot to do with the types of jobs you take on. Event shooters and short form content creators probably don’t care about RAW as much but folks doing commercials, narrative or the types of VFX jobs. Having more information about how the raw capabilities stand up is important. I for one was pretty impressed with the 4D in this video and might consider it over the Komodo-X I was planning on adding.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I actually have a LOT of other tests with the H264 comparisons, but I cut that bit out otherwise the episode would've crossed 50 min. but to your point, the reason why I had this whole section there, was to show how the H264 from this camera is MUCH more impressive than the SONY as well. Maybe I'll compile these other findings in part 2

@stathiskefalas

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY Thanks for the reply! I 'd be interested in this as well!

@erikpreston2393

7 ай бұрын

Please, part 2 !@@THEDPJOURNEY

*I've been waiting for the Ronan 4D with the 8K sensor. I would like to see this review once again, but with the 8K X9 Sensor head please. There are no reviews out there on KZread for the Ronan 4D with the Zenmuse X9 8K sensor head.*

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was released as I was working on this, I'll try to see if I can do that

@markjob6354

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY OK. Excellent. 👌Thank you.😇

Always on the 🔝

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :) You're awesome

This video is incredible! - Please make an online course!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the awesome compliments

Great video! Thanks for this. If possible please do a video about the Ronin 4D 8K as well. It seems even better than the 6K in dynamic range. Almost on par with the ARRI Mini LF 😮 Thanks in advance! Definitely subscribed.

@THEDPJOURNEY

7 ай бұрын

I actually have the 8K, but the rolling shutter in it is very bad that makes it pretty unusable. And the dynamic range is marginally better than 6k at the expense of that bad rolling shutter. It also has much less codecs to work with than in the 6K. The only advantage I felt over the 6K is the OLPF. When it comes to comparing 8K and 6K resolutions, it’s not worth it at all. That’s why I didn’t do any episode about it

@THEDPJOURNEY

7 ай бұрын

About the rolling shutter, you’ll notice how all videos created for it don’t have any fast pans, they’re all dolly ins or outs, to avoid exposing the rolling shutter. And for a camera & Gimbal combo that’s meant to be shooting action, it’s hard to avoid having fast pans

Nice and informative video! Thank you. Do you notice a difference in the image with ProRes raw?

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

There’s always a difference yes. I was thinking of having another video that tackles that

On my Pocket 4k the second gain ISO starts at ISO 1250, while the second native ISO is 3200. So that’s ISO 400 and ISO 3200 but the second starts at 1250 so it’s the cleanest at 1250. At 17:26 the clips shows the native ISO’s having the best highlight and shadow ratios. ISO 4000 is where the second gain starts.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, that’s my point, I actually had a whole 3 min section talking about this but I removed it to shorten the video. It’s 4000

Awesome cgi stuff! Great video!!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Damn, this video deserves so many more views!!!

@THEDPJOURNEY

10 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot, it'd help a lot if you share and help spread the word. Would really appreciate it, thanks again

I believe the fX3 is actually a quad-bayered 48MP sensor with the micro lenses encompassing a group of 2x2 pixels. Do you think this contributes to the noisier pixel structure as well?

@DennisSchmitz

Жыл бұрын

could be one explanation. I think it could be the optimization for readout speeds which left image quality behind. The old IMX410 produces a much nicer image as shown on the Ronin 4D but also FX9, S1H, S5II(x), Kinifinity 6K cameras, Z-Cam F6 etc.

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Can really think of one reason, there are so many factors that can cause this

best video. graphic super man!

@THEDPJOURNEY

11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Wow thanks for this 👍

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for your support

Amazing video man! Quick question: Did DJI tell you there was a Ronin 4D MK ii on the way? I'd love to purchase one, if so!

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment, such informations can never be disclosed unfortunately due to NDAs I sign before dealing with them So I cannot confirm or deny that fact

@cameronkirschner

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY No worries :) Thanks for the quick reply! I just wanted to see if I should buy this one or wait another few months.

So cleanest codec on the ronin 4D H.264?

@THEDPJOURNEY

5 ай бұрын

If you apply denoise in camera, then they’re all gonna look similar except raw

very detailed info thanks

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

With the noise test, I think we missed the mark a little. While noise performance is important.. we’re totally ignoring color quality. The FX3 color looked way better wt 12,800 while the 4D lost a lot of its color quality at that same ISO.

@THEDPJOURNEY

8 ай бұрын

Haven’t really experienced a loss of color detail at all. Keep me n mind these are 2 different log profiles and color science, so the difference in color is expected.

@cammackey

8 ай бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY we were just using the 4D 6K and FX3 on a job tonight but at their native ISOs. Both look great. But yeah great review, just circling back on it. Hoping you can do a similar test soon ;)

great video, but fyi hasselblad was bought out by DJI !!, so at 11:27 thats why the skin tone of the 4D is outstanding, as Hasselblad uses Sony sensors, of course, but they tweak the colour science, why the shots look so vouge like!!

4:25 was this done on in Cine EI in the FX3 AllI format because I don’t see any grain in this setting 🧐

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

In order to match the exact settings of both cameras, I didn’t use cone EI. Keep in mind the EI mode is only an interface thing, it won’t give you any difference in results

Most interesting. Thank you 👍

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Excellent breakdown. Fully agreed on suggestion to DJI for the 3 part modular Mark II

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

I really wish they do that in the next generation, thanks for watching

@CassiusTheShow

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY My pleasure. Your videos are fire. Just watched and learned a lot from your 3 ways to shoot with 1 light video. I'd love to see more artistic breakdowns for cinematic lighting on a budget. I'd also pay for that in a Patreon

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Really happy to hear that, I still have part two of that video actually in the works. Just got a find some time to finish it.

@CassiusTheShow

Жыл бұрын

@@THEDPJOURNEY Looking forward to watching.

Best Camera KZreadr by Far.... Will like to see how the low light and DR compared to the S5 mII.... just to know....

@THEDPJOURNEY

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for your compliment. Yeah I don't have the S5 though.