A big thank you to the 12 people of the NZ army who showed up for this exercise !

@lokiwayguard3664

17 күн бұрын

lol My bro that is so funny to me because when I used to be an instructor in the NZ Army I was assigned to the Territorial Force reserve battalion up in Auckland and we used to put on training exercises for the reserve soldiers and for the whole of the Auckland and Northland Area we would get like 26 or sumtimes 34 soldiers show up then one training weekend in the middle of winter we had an all time low of 12 show up for what should be a Battalion of 800 soldiers.

@RK-cj4oc

16 күн бұрын

​@@lokiwayguard3664 Do they not have to show up?

@ravenkk4816

16 күн бұрын

@@RK-cj4octhey do , but….

@maksfaaoa3264

16 күн бұрын

I spoke to a teenager last year and he said he wants to join the military, I asked him what’s stopping him he said that they don’t recruit people with criminal records and plus his grades weren’t too good so he might just go into trade and learn how to do fencing, I told him that it’s a shame that his criminal record is stopping him from doing what he wanted to do and serve his country he replied that him and his 4 best friends all wanted careers in the defence force but neither will be recruited and when asked what his mates are doing he said they are unemployed and just play video games. My thinking is perhaps the defence force need to reconsider their recruitment policies around who can join, these are young men with no direction in life eager to be of service to their country but have been told that they will not be able to join because of minor convictions and bad grades, imagine if youngsters are encouraged at a young age to pursue a career in the defence force, teach them discipline and give them a purpose I believe we’d have less crime being committed by young people who way too often grow up and join gangs and become criminals when they’re adults

@snigie1

16 күн бұрын

Once they get in they get a criminal record by default anyway ​@@maksfaaoa3264

Once aunty pulls out that jandal yall are done for

@ladyjusticewarriorqueenz2005

19 күн бұрын

🤣🤣👍👍💯🎯

@-Cancer-

6 күн бұрын

fr fr

Only defence we have is ocean and distance. If any enemy can conquer that, we wouldn't last a week.

@PJ-pj8lr

20 күн бұрын

Unless NZ grows a brain, & learns from Switzerland.

@JamesBarry-um8su

20 күн бұрын

Your'd be better off having a well armed civilian population with some weekend army training to help defend NZ.🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿

@bobdillon1138

19 күн бұрын

Less.

@Gumpmachine1

19 күн бұрын

Exactly, we rely on the umbrella of American hegemony for our security

@PJ-pj8lr

19 күн бұрын

@@Gumpmachine1 smart alliances are good, but to no not carry our own weight is shameful.

We still have the Bob Semple Tank so don’t worry to much it’s a beast

@TRUMP20Z4

16 күн бұрын

POW!

@postminchoppa

15 күн бұрын

Especially mark 2 known as the gerry brownley

@fionnnorgrove3128

15 күн бұрын

Its never lost a battle.

@ronniepickering3711

14 күн бұрын

Do we still have any Schofield's?

@bobsemple07

13 күн бұрын

yup

I served in the infantry. Short answer is no. Any force that came here would end us. We would die.

@skidlinerz

15 күн бұрын

Lol abit blunt but ok 😂

@henkmagnetic3103

14 күн бұрын

Hope when they come, they don't pick the weekend or Public Holiday.

@tumon1000

14 күн бұрын

Totally agree. We’re a soft target with little defence. No disrespect to our armed forces, there just isn’t enough of them. Oh and the government is busy disarming the population so good luck in having civilians stepping up.

@RubyDoobieScoo

13 күн бұрын

We could take Tuvalu if they tried something.

@tumon1000

13 күн бұрын

@@RubyDoobieScoo only if they’re not looking

This video failed to address any of New Zealands geostrategic interests, it's security concerns, it's stragic environment and the current and future changes to that environment. And at no point did it ask the question of what capabilities new Zealand has, will have, or could need to develop to deal with security challenges. Long range radar, like Australia's JORN network, perhaps in cooperation with Australia. A bolstered and drastically increased RNZAF maritime patrol & surveillance fleet, longer range land attack and anti ship missiles, long range self propelled missile artillery like HIMARs, and base hardening/civil defence/supply material stockpiles. All of which would realistically have to be coordinated in concert with Australia. Aging short range artillery like those shown in this video, LAVs or tanks or fighter jets would play a very limited and largely ineffectual role. This video merely showed a towed artillery battery on exercise. What a joke

@blairmiller9160

12 күн бұрын

You explained our millitary...a joke

@smash8865

9 күн бұрын

Well said. I'm wondering what advantage or reason an invading force to even bother.. Agricultural infrastructure? FOB for invading Australia? Antarctica??

From who is the question. NZ needs a combat airforce that can deliver significant numbers of anti ship missiles. without that NZ is at the mercy of how busy the allies are, and any threat to NZ already has Aust heavily engaged.

@downunderprepparedness

19 күн бұрын

Rapid Dragon has entered the chat

@Damien567777

19 күн бұрын

agreed we just need strong navy and airforce for real defense. drones, antiship etc

@seanbiddle2023

17 күн бұрын

Anti ship missiles I agree, but we should invest in drones over airplanes, a mix of both

@politenessman3901

17 күн бұрын

@@seanbiddle2023 manned aircraft have versatility and on board judgement.

@konstantinseltsov5403

17 күн бұрын

​Of course we should. We are rich enough for that.

RNZAF has no combat capability - any future adversary would have total air superiority making artillery etc redundant.

@davidbradley3227

17 күн бұрын

I don’t even know why we prentend we’d have any chance. Nz government has consistently let down its people

@Muritaipet

16 күн бұрын

To have air superiority in New Zealand, they also need aircraft carriers.

@fantomgod6328

16 күн бұрын

Its fine New Zealand is so isolated they wouldnt be able to support any air operations against us without a HC or AC

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

​@@Muritaipetwhich is unlikely as China's aircraft carriers are only able to operate in waters close to China and Russia which is even further away wouldn't be able to reach either

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

​@@davidbradley3227I agree we should increase the defence budget to 2% of GDP at least but NZ is mainly an expeditionary force an invading force reaching New Zealand is unlikely as china doesn't have many aircraft capable of reaching this distance only about 3. And as soon as the forces reach here they would be overwhelmed. They also wouldn't be able to return with reinforcements. If they went a naval approach New Zealand and Australia could probably engage them as we have plenty of ASM's and our p8 Poseidons carry anti ship and submarine bombs and torpedoes. But let's be honest Australia or USA would take them out with a ballistic missile before they reach anywhere hear us

They wouldn’t have to, we Australians will be there - just as you guys would be with us!

@dystortia6626

19 күн бұрын

your f35s range is up to 2200km. was thinking they might be able to cruise over, drop their payload, and refuel somewhere here in nz. just hope there aren't many enemy fighters as theyre not dogfighters.... its a shame aussie never bought any f22s, they wouldve easily made it over here!

@Dicksonia_squarrosa

19 күн бұрын

​@@dystortia6626 F-22s were never allowed to be exported to any country, so Australia couldn't have bought them even if the government wanted to.

@wattlebough

19 күн бұрын

@@dystortia6626RAAF KC30A MRTTs tankers to the rescue. Could even use Norfolk island as a refuelling point.

@dexterplameras3249

18 күн бұрын

@@dystortia6626 F35s are not as valuable as submarines in defending the shores of NZ. A landing force would be sunk before it reaches NZ with Australian submarines. The only real threat is if a superpower with carriers and submarines decides to invade. And there are only two viable superpowers, China and the USA. I don't see them spending all their resources just to invade NZ.

@Mosesmombassa

17 күн бұрын

Australia and all her islands (NZ is circled however Tasmania is not)

Middle Earth hasn't seen firepower like this before!

100 people maybe...... that are trained to use he artillery. What do we have 7 guns or something? Cant defend 2 islands with 7 guns

@Gumpmachine1

19 күн бұрын

We have about 30-40 artillery pieces of various calibre but as the Ukrainian war has shown it’s the ammunition stockpiles that count We’d simply run out of ammunition long before the lack of guns was a issue

@21kiwi24

19 күн бұрын

​@@Gumpmachine1other than 105mm, what other calibres?

@Stephen-bq4nq

19 күн бұрын

​​@@21kiwi24We only have 105mm guns.

@Gumpmachine1

19 күн бұрын

@@21kiwi24 87.6mm towed artillery aka 25 pounder

@21kiwi24

18 күн бұрын

@@Stephen-bq4nq I know

pretty sure we would wave the white flag if anyone invaded or thought about invading

@khoorirune4573

20 күн бұрын

Not this North Island Rambo!

@mapper7310

19 күн бұрын

speak for yourself.. no one is gonna have an easy time invading somewhere 2000 kms from the nearest significant landmass

@user-jh2sr8bl8v

19 күн бұрын

​@mapper7310 a single aircraft carrier would do it within a fortnight.

@ladyjusticewarriorqueenz2005

19 күн бұрын

🤣🤣👍👍💯🎯

@Drewad17

18 күн бұрын

And how does that invading force’s logistics tail work??

The NZ airforce , of 3 drones, will destroy the enemies!

@henkmagnetic3103

14 күн бұрын

With the 757 leading the charge, oops can't fly with only engine on the wings.

@henryairconcepts2999

11 күн бұрын

@@henkmagnetic3103 Dont forget our mighty Tiger Moth and a bag of Winston Pieter's poop

As a kiwi , our defence is upmost important, Rich kiwis and companies donate a cannon , A M777 howitzer costs 3.7 Million US , How cool would it be to say that your company helped NZ defend it self

@flamingkittengaming6172

14 күн бұрын

@@MrPopo-nn7kp you're dumb

Not a chance, under resourced, under provisioned, under skilled. Not the military's fault, politicians must step up.

@ANZACJugger0

16 күн бұрын

100% I reckon we send the whole of parliment to fight the first wave

@rogergotstoned3291

9 күн бұрын

Agree.

@user-un3rk5gb1v

6 күн бұрын

Agree with everything except 'under skilled'.

NZDF may not be the largest, but the same could not be said about its tenacity and personnel skill. Keep it up, lads.

In both world wars New Zealand had enemy warships enter our territorial waters

@GrunkaLunka

16 күн бұрын

in both world wars it would be relatively easy to do so compared to doing this today

@NelsonZAPTM

16 күн бұрын

@@davidneal6920 probably every nation had enemy warships in its territorial waters during ww 1 & 2

@SD78

15 күн бұрын

In WW2, Auckland was defended by multiple coastal gun batteries.

@davidneal6920

15 күн бұрын

@@SD78 I visited a very large calibre WW2 era anti-ship gun in Wellington established to combat a Japanese invasion. Ironically (from memory) it arrived in late 1943 by which point the tide of war in the Pacific had turned against the Japanese

@boomertuxx

12 күн бұрын

@@SD78a couple at Ccokle Bay too.

Even when I served in the days of Anzus we were reliant on outside support, hang on for 4 days and wait for the Yanks. The reality is if anyone has the ability come this far we are toast. As for now, what a joke of a question 7 Territorial and 2 RF Battalions now only a single full battalion, no chance at all. As always we will be able to deploy a token force at the request of our Allies. Can we ever go it alone, dream on.

@terryharris1291

19 күн бұрын

When I was serving 1 RNZIR had 5 full companies in Singapore.

The fact the Herald is asking this question says alot about the knowledge their reporters.....

Yeah right... NZ's best bet would be to get Fozzie on board to help design a 'Rush D'...

NZ will never have to defend itself on its own. The story mentioned NZ assisting Ukraine, same as we are doing here in Australia. It's a two-way street. Other nations will help us both. Look at RIMPAC running right now. Au/NZ are there working with 27 other nations to make sure we can all work together using our specific specialities.

Comments show why half the country would rather live on the benefit than get a job, why do something yourself when someone can do it for you.

No, silly question really. The question should be, could NZ contribute in a meaningful way towards regional security against a near peer in a mid to high level intensity conflict. To which the answer would also be no. The NZDF is woefully under staffed, under funded and under equipped. It has been this way for many many years under successive goverrnments. Right now the NZ Army could not deploy and sustain a force similar to the first Timor deployments in 1999. A sad situation.

Without fighter cover? No way.

@dynamo1796

14 күн бұрын

We can’t defend shit, fighter cover is waaaay down the list of things we don’t have that we’d need to mount a basic defence

@gmeme9252

13 күн бұрын

AA is the biggest threat to aircraft today. Look at how much the airfares are used in the Russia Ukraine war, aside from launching bombs from behind their own lines.

The answer is no.

No fighter or bomber aircraft WTF😮

@TRUMP20Z4

16 күн бұрын

its ok, we aussies have a few.

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

We have 4 or 5 P8 Poseidons which carry bombs torpedoes and the whole lot

@anthraz

17 сағат бұрын

fighters are useless.

We don’t have the numbers

Same as Australia, tourists with weapons cache brought in over time, attacking armouries over Xmas, and power infrastructures and mobile phone exchanges. Only thing stopping it happening is the long sea and air transportation resupply.

The NZ Army has always been a light infantry unit, based around lightweight artillery.

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

NZDF is mainly an expeditionary force

this country couldn't defend a poo going into a toilet

@TroySurmon

20 күн бұрын

😂😂

@TroySurmon

20 күн бұрын

.25% airforce, .25% navy, .50% army 99% ready to be taken over

@DavidSmith-yi8ou

20 күн бұрын

Definitely not if you’re involved.

@d.a2500

20 күн бұрын

Grow up if you’re so smart let’s see you serve.

@khoorirune4573

20 күн бұрын

Cos you fell in while skivving and blocked the bloody thing.Get your shit together!

This is the first time I have seen a review of the NZ army other than news bites. But when I was serving 40 years ago. My interactions with the NZ defense members were always positive and they were truly professional in their approach to their job and their turn out. And it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog.

Love it. Former Stadia here. Joined in 1973. Would love to see the changes in the survey team if you do another video

Very few countries could defend themselves from a larger determined enemy. That is why we form allies and partnerships.

Lol with our zero airforce, Sam's, anti shipping missiles etc? Oh, I'm sure we'd be terryfying

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

We have ASM's😂

@keeganvalentine3373

14 күн бұрын

The Poseidon has mk54 torpedoes if my memory serves me correct

105mm outranged and outgunned by 155, only better in a high-angle fire required in mountainous terrain. Other than two ships no sovereign AA systems, no sovereign capability of air superiority. It would be real scrappy. Not sure why we ever got LAV platform, for area of operations + doctrine a really weird choice. Edit: I think we also gave away our direct fire sights for the artillery guns to the Ukrainians, that was a specialist skill the NZ gunners had and that's one less thing the artillery is useful for.

A Defence Force is about so much more than a simplistic throw away line as this. In a word NO. We could not, and most probably never have been able to defend our coastline, if that's what by inference you can call defending NZ. But a Defence Force does far more than that. Sending 100 highly skilled and capable kiwi soldiers into a combat zone to do what many nations soldiers do poorly or not at all (build relationships with all parties, is worth what other nations may throw thousands of troops at, for less gain (political and militarily). But all our Political parties have kicked the can down the road ever since the Wall came down, and we now have an extremely top heavy Defence Force, hollowed out of any real on-the-ground capability. You are looking at a decade minimum, to regain any decent sustainable capability, and that's only if all parties sign up to sufficient funding that will do the job. And not the current farce of circular funding, that's when the Defence Force is levied all sorts of charges that extract significant $$ from the allocated funding to actually do stuff. Capital charge. RUC, registration of motor vehicles, etc etc etc. A Defence Force is one of a Nation's critical institutions. Its NOT a business.

@Spadesshovel

19 күн бұрын

🥱

@captainted486

19 күн бұрын

🤦​@@Spadesshovel

@user-jh2sr8bl8v

19 күн бұрын

"Build relationships with all parties" is how you lose wars, just look at Afghanistan. Where the west was obsessed with cuddling and kissing its enemies instead of erasing them.

@ladyjusticewarriorqueenz2005

19 күн бұрын

It's a Child trafficking, Smuggling, money laundering crime operation.

Mid 20th century defence force right there, no satellite space or drone air capability or hypersonic weapons….this should be on the History Channel.

Did anyone see what are the artillery aiming at?

@samvandermade7420

14 күн бұрын

most of the time is kinda just vivid bushes they can see. But more they are given a target by a DI and then they will observe the round and watch where it lands and then proceed to adjust it on the target

Never fight a war you never started.

Congrats New Zild Harald. This video piece absolutely fails to answer the question the title of this video asks.

Thank you for your service.

Against who?

Im not sure why New Zealand doesn't do what switzerland does and have civilians trained as basically idle personnel that can be activated when in crisis? i would surely bolster numbers of useable troops.

I wish our politicians would figure out the armed services is the best form of social welfare going and invest in it.

They forgot the haka

It would help if the government funded the airforce properly and expanded their remit to include a significant cyber-offense capability.

no need to attack nz... its cheaper to jusy buy it. everything is for sale particuarly right now.

That isn't a 105 surplus from the Korean war right?

@terryharris1291

19 күн бұрын

russia is using gear from WW2 and Korean war time.

@rexhurley4380

19 күн бұрын

No we used 25pdrs and us 105s in Korea That's a FH 105 brought when Helen Clarke refused the army's request for FH155s in the 90s because 155s were considered offensive weapons...

@jakob7693

17 күн бұрын

@@terryharris1291 And how many do they have?

Not sure it answers the basic question?

It's been a while since I've had a good laugh after reading that thumbnail

Make no mistake people, if we were attacked by any meaningful adversaries, we would be destroyed. Without long range radar and air defence, those howitzers wont get off a single shell, and because they absolutely would have air superiority, that black hawk wouldnt even be able to leave the airfield. We rely on our distance and allies to defend us.

Some of the vehicles in the video were 30 years old. Which is a reflection that this NZDF is using vintage equipment, and that is not exactly a positive thing

These guys couldnt catch me and my mates driving a Ute along the beach when we accidentally breached their fire zone…on a beach.

@samvandermade7420

14 күн бұрын

they dont have any fire zones on a beach. Unless your talking about inside the training area?

@danielelkin995

10 күн бұрын

@@samvandermade7420 up ninety mile beach. There is signs saying about a live fire zone and to turn back. We didn’t until they came over a sand dune and the chase was on.

Good to see cellphones in hands taking selfies lol

No, however that's why we have / need strong allies

Kia Ora from the other side of the ditch. Again Kiwis doing a lot with very limited resources (we got rid of our L119, 105mm Light Guns some time ago).

In a dire situation where all money is put into the military budget yes, I think we could. Though small our forces are top quality.

Do the New Zealand Defence Force recruit lads from overseas?

@anthraz

17 сағат бұрын

say that again. does a country recruit people to join a military who arent in the country the military operates under.

Last wargame I partook in you could not use mines, clusters ,or gas. Hamstring by the "rules based order of things". Stuff getting killed for some rules a asshat in beehive signed up for.

Those Unimogs must be at least 40 years old.

The military budget in NZ is an insult to its mayor Ally. NZ should be spending around 2.5% to 3% of GDP at least to make some sort of a show of it. NZ armed force personnel are great pound for pound but The criminal and outlawed bikie gangs are better funded and armed and have more soldiers. Bloody disgraceful.

@ricb123

16 күн бұрын

Sshhhh don't tell anyone but they are our light armored columns....

@BigRedNZ1

16 күн бұрын

Maybe your argument would be better received… if you bothered to spell check.

@peterearl9114

16 күн бұрын

Your welcome to donate your money, personally I don't want to pay any more in tax

@ac.ruther

16 күн бұрын

I don't think the Mongrel Mob recieves 4 Billion a year😂

@alexpalmer776

15 күн бұрын

@@ac.ruther I don’t know have you checked the exchange rate?

Years ago I was in auntie arm and we played 106 gun had a 50 on top to mark the target and a 106 shell and the where big rounds to the 105 and our 106 made a bigger noise talk to them about damage ears do not what to

Against Fiji? Definitely

Defend Against what?

No not currently

Good luck NZ.

I think we need to double or triple our military capabilities. Our people are excellent, there just isn't enough of them, they are underesourced and they don't get enough respect from the Government.

Bit late to start asking that, we can’t even house everyone.

There's no doubt about the fighting ability of the NZ army that they have. Without doubt, the problem would be the lack of manpower and weapons.

Defend what exactly??

We could not

We dont have any enemies, we have Allies across the Globe!

Not after handing in all the semi automatic weapons. If we implemented a policy the same as sweden we would at least stand a chance

Dont have to watch a single second to answer that question

👍 Thanks for your service g ❤

Depends on against who! Could probably hold off Fiji, but might struggle against China!

@jackson22668

16 күн бұрын

Unless there are Chinese New Zealanders willing to join up for espionage and sabotage to help the cause, it might even out the field, but I doubt the rest of the country will treat us well under the circumstance

NZ actually does pretty well on their very small defence budget . They are good at stretching their dollar

@ThunderspearNZ

10 күн бұрын

They're also really good at wasting dollars on useless things.

Could New Zealand defend itself? From an army sheep, maybe.

We need an airforce plus we need some serious investment in air defense for regular air craft and drones

is that a question

We need a Navy/Airforce upgrade due to our geographic position. These artilary units wouldn't scratch a ship more than a couple kms off the coast so they aren't really worth much. If an enemy force in on our mainland, then it's already too late.

The Aussies would take the country in 1 day that's the only gun they have 😂😂😂

All the Ammo is stored in Waioru,

Protect NZ soverignty? Brother, the politicians youd protect have destroyed soverignty.

We could only be an effective guerilla defence force , Drones for air & sea use , attack helicopters . Anti air missiles would be too expensive

Love those Gun Tractors and their set up.....watching from 29 Palms.

sooo 105 v 155 mm, hmm stuffed before they know it, not good

Strange that an Island nation is land centric (focused) when Navy and Air Force are relegated. There is a common sense reason why England had a standing navy before an army. NZ Artillery have not been used in combat since the vietnam war, the very reasons our fighter wings were disbanded were not applied to the army. The Army can't move anywhere outside New Zealand without Navy or Air assets and would be quickly subdued if our maritime and Air routes were compromised.

Kiwiland will always thwart Emutopia... darn you!

@NelsonZAPTM

19 күн бұрын

And take back Pavlova!

Australia don't party without NZ Arty, god bless you glorious bastards

So slow moving those cannons around

Silly question.

New Zealand doesn’t have a hope of defending its self. That’s what Australia is for.

Yes. Our Royal New Zealand Navy Can. Our Navy is the only service capable of defending against incoming drone and missile attacks, projecting power across the seas, and self sustaining its self in a hostile environment. Time to reduce army expenditure from 62% of our defence budget and redirect those funds into our Navy.

When the army sold off a fleet of unimogs with the starting bid of $5000

We could probably hold off Kiribati at a pinch.

Do they have to stop using their phones when training?

@samvandermade7420

14 күн бұрын

nah

Bro we can't even afford rubbish bins

Let AVM Carey Adamson have the last word! In April 2003 he was recorded as saying " we've only got two battalions......but...combined with the firepower of tens if thousands of private gun owners foreign forces might we'll find themselves harried by guerilla style opposition long after the Beehive had fallen. But we can't have that can we.... Confiscate those privately held weapons now I say

@mapper7310

19 күн бұрын

if anyone is able to get remotely close to the beehive in the first place, the world, and NZ is probably fucked already

@user-jh2sr8bl8v

19 күн бұрын

​@@mapper7310 it'll take an aircraft carrier about 2 weeks. Your myths of "isolation" are irrelevant.

@NelsonZAPTM

19 күн бұрын

​@@user-jh2sr8bl8v Aircraft carriers don't hold territory.

@Stephen-bq4nq

19 күн бұрын

​@@user-jh2sr8bl8vthat's unless another country engages the carrier before it gets here

@user-jh2sr8bl8v

18 күн бұрын

@@NelsonZAPTM yes they do, especially when it's a pair of islands with no airforce.

short answer no long answer we could hold out long enough for the pacific fleet to arive