Could AH-64 Apache Perform Danger Close CAS At The Battle Of Mogadishu? (WarGames 113) | DCS
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We simulate the 1993 Battle Of Mogadishu, Somalia in DCS World to investigate how effective the AH-64 Apache would have been in danger close combat. We compare it to previous attempts with aircraft like A-10 Warthog and A-29B Tucano.
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4:28 Take Off & Quality Banter
9:10 ATTEMPT 1 (AI Gunners)
20:06 ATTEMPT 2 (Human Pilot Gunners)
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Have yall tried the La Drang we were soldiers attack, if not that would be a cool one to do
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Of course: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6Sdqal6c62zhJs.html
Just putting this out there, the RPG7 which was used to down the Blackhawk, has a self destruct fuze set at 917m. If you hover at 1000m you could literally just sit over the target.
@kdaltex
Жыл бұрын
Bullets have a longer range. Dishkas especially
@MrCoolguy425
Жыл бұрын
@@kdaltex dshks are also much easier to see given that they require fixed positions on either trucks or rooftops in order to hit targets.
Amazing work with the children there Cap. Hard decision to make but as long as you make it for the right reasons that's all you can do.
@dfsdude
6 ай бұрын
that was pretty cool. whoknew?
That is a very difficult decision Cap. I suppose it depends on how sick you're prepared to get in order to fulfill the wishes and happiness of others. You surely can't let it become too detrimental.
@matthewcoleman1919
Жыл бұрын
Someone else can look after the kids, Cap. You have to look after yourself. Maybe put it out that you need a replacement, and explain the circumstances? Someone would be proud to step up...I certainly would if we were on the same continent.
@prolska
Жыл бұрын
what do you mean please
I would suggest not pointing straight at your target in the apache. Turn sideways a bit so you can view downward easier and the gun will easily track to the targets. When head on, you have to pitch down which obviously results in forward movement. Would like to have seen human gunners with human pilots. Best of both worlds. Pilot can keep a stable platform while gunner freely moves the gun to targets.
@JerryLai11B
Жыл бұрын
+1 on gunner/cpg
Taking care of kids after treatment for Cancer: Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Super Cap!
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
lol shucks
When I first got the Apache I hated it. I had just switched from MSFS helicopters to DCS helicopters and the difference is steep. MSFS is a game, the DCS World is a sim and I struggled with just taking off. Like a pig on roller skates. But with all your videos and plain ol' stick with it I am an Apache Ace. Nap of the earth at 120 knots and then transition to a glassy smooth landing. I was lucky to land on hard surface of the airport at first, now I can sit it down on the Burj Al Arab helipad like a boss. The Huey is what I am currently struggling with. Take off, cruise is a piece of cake. Hovering and landing...not so good
@mfreed40k
Жыл бұрын
I'm just starting DCS myself. The first (crappy) successful landing in the F-16 was like every holiday all wrapped up together.
@Tacticaviator7
Жыл бұрын
I didn't play MSFS so I don't know how realistic they made the flight models but you should remember that civilian aircraft are made to be easy to fly compared to military vehicles which are made to perform, it's like comparing a cessna to a warbird. Completely different design priorities.
For extreme difficulty you could give some of the soldiers RPG-7s
gotta do another version with hooman pilots and hooman cp/g's so one can focus on just flying and another can focus on just shooting, might increase the score even more than getting the AI out of there
Having been that big adult kid working with kids at church years ago I know how rewarding it is and how hard it is to say you need a break. The kids will miss you but when you go back next time they will make it up to you so it's worth balancing your health and the fun.
Sorry to hear about your cancer, Cap. A bit of generally useful advice is: you can't pour from an empty cup. Take care of yourself first, and then help others in a way that doesn't kill you.
I can confirm, as a former SEN teacher, children are the most effective biological weapon yet deployed. You can try spraying them with disinfectant as they arrive but I think you're still best off with a chem warfare suit Cap.
27:20 hostile canine in the cockpit! Pavepaws inbound!
I think an interesting idea would be an Mi-24VP or Ka-50, since they were not only active during the battle of Mogadishu, but were also used for similar rescue/close urban CAS in Chechnya. They are one of the only helicopters active at the same time which also has experience with the same mission.
I was just wondering why there didn’t seem to be any ground views or alternate camera angles in this one? Sorry if I missed it. Also Cap, just as someone who has a few health issues myself, I really hope you’ll take care of yourself. Your family & your country need you! Not to mention us plebs. God bless
The reason they didn't use apaches or cobras wasn't because of practical concerns it was for civilian casualties, probably...
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@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
This is important.
Hey, being a good-deed-doer is important! I am sure we all enjoy your group's work here on KZread, but it is important to maintain a balance in one's life. Cheers!
Violet's composure is so solid that part of me just wants to hear her Crack once and just say "oh poop" since technically not swearing. Lol
I guess the one scenario you havnt tried is the old C130 dropping BLU-82s on the hostiles..
keep up the APACHE content! good work!
Thanks 🙏 for doing the suggestion Cap!
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Pleasure
Cannonball cracks me up... he's north of the east of the west... he's dead... he's up of the down to the left of the... he's dead! Good work!
@simba1113
Жыл бұрын
made sense to me, thats the only way I could find the targets lol
UH-1H, SA342 Gazelle, UH-60 Black Hawk, and AH-64 Apache VS Mi-8, Mi-17, Mi-24 Hind, and Ka-50 Black Shark
Not using the hellfire really takes away from you’re ability to be precise, albeit a great ranger close radius for the weapon itself. Not having someone manually operating the weapon systems from the CPG seat is also a great disadvantage.
@rubiconnn
Жыл бұрын
Also just hovering stationary and trying to hold the aircraft level with the stick is pretty bad for accuracy. Moving at a constant speed helps stabilize the aircraft in pitch and roll which is the biggest cause of accuracy issues. The FCS can predict and account for the natural movement of the aircraft but it can't predict and account for the stick input very well.
What about human gunners? Wouldnt it be far easier if the pilot can just focus on hovering at a good radial and the gunner can just focus on not hitting the busses?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Tried it but there as multiplayer desync and the bullets didn't go where they were aimed.
@Zoddom
Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers oh, I expected something like that. Such a shame!
I swear if I ever hit one of those ridiculous lottery jackpots, I'm going to name a yacht Baddie Waddie.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Solid name.
The 30mm cannon was awesome in Afghan, we could take out Insurgents inside a compound while we were just outside.
Problem with round 2 was that Cap forgot to turn on Auto ranging, it was set for 1.5km.
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Yeh it still says 1.5km even when you set it to A. Mine does anyways.
@FlyingWithSpurts
Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers Goes to show you how hard it is to get everything out of that bird, should say Ax.x instead of Mx.x if it's set right, at least the one time I got it to work months ago. No worries, you adjusted quick and aimed low.
G’day Cap
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Hi
I'd like to see how the air part of the battle for Guadalcanal would work out. Taking off immediately right into dropping ordinance on infantry.
i used to live in virginia near the NAS Oceana navy base and i would love to see some type of war games involving that base. By looking online there seems so be about 250 F/A-18 super hornets and i was lucky enough to get a tour of the base and hangers from my friend an F-18 pilot. Also with the navy ships stationed in that area and the Langley air force have with 5th gen, it would be cool to see russia attempt an attack and see THE BLOB of F/A-18s all scrambled.
My step-father always hated this event with a passion. It basically buggered up months and months of (dangerous) negotiating work he had done in and around the theatre which were leading to peaceful meetings between some terrorist/warlord factions and governments. Essentially undid a good 6 months of work.
@bunburyodo
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow...Thank you so much. Pillock.
Hey, Reapers, if I call Delta Charlie, I've already said everything that needed to be spoken to my loved ones and I've made resolution with the Supreme Ruler of the World. Shoot the hostage. I'd much rather take a stray from a friend than a dose of hate from an enemy.
Keep the content up please Capt!
Cap, that is a very tough decision to make.... if the enjoyment you're getting is still bigger than the "sacrifice" of being sick after this, you may want to keep it that way. Just keep in mind, that it MAY not turn into a good way forever. Take care of yourself, too. Hardly anyone is of good use, if he/she completely neglects that....
Bless the Beasts and the Children...*..* and Cap' *..*
Regarding the children church thing: Your helping them by giving them a positive male role model and positive interactions. They may not have that at home or much in their lives. Sometimes we sacrifice for the beterment of others. I would argue that it's worth it and that you should keep doing it. I say this while being sick myself cause of my kids. In the end, it's always worth it.
Oh that's really hard to hear about getting sick around the kids. If you could get someone else to come in and take over while your sick. I really hope you get the chance to get better on the off days
Cap, for a revisit to this, have some GR guys/gals take George's spot. that way one person can focus on flying, and the other on shooing and be good at it.
The Apache is armed with a cannon which fires shells, not bullets. The rounds fired by said cannon are short for a 30mm so their ballistics are similar to a grenade launcher.
tough call, maybe see if theres a way to help that gives you a little more space, like helping as more of a supervisor or administrator where you have less kids sneezing on you
My daughter goes through the same thing teaching 1St graders, Always sicking due school year.
I can fly, shoot the guns, work a few of the minor systems, and no friends to help me train in the CPG seat. Never been in it really lol
Tht Wuz Cool!!! ;)
F-18 Hornet's with AIM-120C-7's VS F-14B Tomcat's with AIM-54 Phoenix's F-18 Super Hornet's with AIM-120D's VS ST-21 Super Tomcat's with AIM-152 GDW's Lol bonus round MIG-29KR's VS SU-33's Carrier launched fights!
@Anarchy_420
Жыл бұрын
You have to take care of yourself Cap or else you're not going to be able to help anyone else... However lol I have a soft heart when it comes to certain things, so I say help the children as much as you obviously can ;)👍👍👍👍
Hey Cap, did you know that the perspective of this video was from the back seat of one of the Apache's and your dash prevented us from seeing where your weapons were hitting? Who would want to watch that? Good thing you don't want to make very much money running this channel and can afford to get out of "God" mode and make these videos so much popular.
@TheRealAaronSmith
Жыл бұрын
The "backseat" is the pilot's seat, dude
Would love to see AC130 next
@Wayoutthere
Жыл бұрын
Goodbye CITY BLOCK
I think if they do this again RPGs will be key. Im pretty sure they will need humans controlling RPG infantry on the ground because I don't think AI will fire RPGs at aircraft but that was such a key part of this battle, its what famously Downed the Blackhawks in the first place, I think it would be necessary.
@Firedad376
Жыл бұрын
AI soldiers will most certainly engage helicopters with their RPGs
@christophero55
Жыл бұрын
@@Firedad376 Oh ok. I wonder why they left them out then.
shooting at a strafing apache truely is suicide🔥🔥🔥
Human gunners, fly right above, fire single shots, i feel like that would be the most powerfull way to do this
If you can make a more realistic version you might run that against your best run to see what the difference is. I haven't finished this video yet but run the improved version against the Blackhawks. Can't the Apache carry gun pods?
Hey Cap how about once you feel like you have done this series you make the relevant changes to the scenario for increased realism, to make the scenario as close to the real event as possible, and re-run with the top 3 aircraft?
Shame you don't have the AGM-114R9X variant in game
Just putting this out there, real helo pilots from this battle described a beehive of constant (innacurate but high-volume) rocket fire coming from the ground. It may be worth revisiting this scenario with tons of Stinger missiles getting launched at you guys.
@LondonSteveLee
Жыл бұрын
How is being shot at by a heat seeking self guiding missile (Stinger) "inaccurate fire"? Rather more effective than dumb RPGs. If the insurgents had Stingers than all Apaches would be downed. Of course the next real life situation like this he insurgents WILL have Stinger due to the volume left behind in Afghanistan and given to Ukraine.
@Enflict
Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee my bad, I thought stingers were another name for RPGs. I'll go put my dumb-person hat on now. But yeah, i meant RPGs not stingers.
Maybe you should really do this with human gunners
Don’t worry about collateral damage. It’s Somalia
Hey Cap, you guys need to try this CAS mission with the weapons they were denied for this mission. I’m talking about the AC-130 gunships. Would that be possible, or has it been done already. Thanks for your time.
@Firedad376
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately with the ac130 mods available there is no way to not have collateral damage. You just have no precise aiming ability
@st3althyone
Жыл бұрын
@@Firedad376 I see. Thanks for the info. I just wanted to know if they would've made a difference in the Mogadishu raid as Maj. Gen. Garrison stated in the movie.
Cap maybe you can reduce how often you take care of the kids but not stop entirely? Maybe watch the kids every other week. Maybe someone could come in and give you at least a short break (ten minutes or so) on the days you are watching them? Seems like a reasonable compromise to me.
the best thing would be an ac-130 gunship and in real for the mission they almost had them
Do a wwe style triple threat match: F-16 vs Mirage-2000 vs Mig-29 (both bvr and wvr, all humans)
If you do not have the AUX fuel pack, you would have 1200 rounds. I am not sure if the D or E models will handle the magazine but not sure why they would not.
Cap. As your immune system has been affected by cancer, you need to look after yourself first, then your family and then everyone else. If you choose to carry on looking after the kids then you'll have to notify the parents about what's happening. If a child is I'll but the parent still drops of the child then they are putting your life at risk. It's your call in the end, but you come first. Also good shooting. 😀👍
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have do you guys ever considered trying the AC 130 gunship for a situation like this? I don't think it could be the Apache but I think it could do well
@fox_the_apprentice
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would do great, but I do think it'd make a great video! (Assuming the AC-130 mod permits you to actually aim the guns now; last video I saw it was boresight only.)
wow guys. guys. GUYS Cap is not pressing the 2 button and aiming the tedac/flir which this entire chopper is built around and the most satisfying MFD around. not a single one of you wants to jump in and fly multicrew tandem and be Cap's gunner? you're missing a great deal of the module's functionality and what sets it apart from everything else. Cap, press the 2 button! Put 2 Valued Humans in the module! the TADS/FLIR is the entire point of the vessel! (The little black and white screen that shows all the explosions)
@markkthought
Жыл бұрын
You do need Apache pilots. "Gimme a call. 'll fly with ya" euph0nic#9156
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
I actually forgot you could do that in Multiplayer lols.
@markkthought
Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers let there be destruction
Between the lost Apaches and Friendly Fire, I'm not sure the Battle of Mogadishu would've benefited from the Grim Reapers PMC...🤣
When can we see little birds
Based GR volunteering at church Also IDK if this is possible, but I think it may be interesting to run some Soviet vehicles through this test (forgfoots and/or Hinds?)
Erk, thought we’d done this one. What’s gonna be different today?!? Mmm… not sure a 30mm cannon is gonna be good for this?!?
@dododostenfiftyseven4096
Жыл бұрын
The first one was the other black hawks doing gun runs I believe
@Davros-vi4qg
Жыл бұрын
@@dododostenfiftyseven4096 airmobile grunt, it’s either has guns or doesn’t 😳😂😂😂
You need oomans in both seats. Tis the only way.
noted with the AI you were a long distance away, but doing it yourself up close - so maybe AI would have done better if you were that close
Do you think the AC-130 might be worth a try?
If you have to be close to kids with a compromised immune system at least wear mask and gloves and take a shower as soon as you get home. My parents used to work in a pediatric hospital and we got sick all the time at first. But when precautions were taken we got sick somewhat less often.
I think if Cannonball's dog deployed he would get at least 5 kills.
@simba1113
Жыл бұрын
deffinetly the Dog would have been the MVP,
Boom boom Cap!.
Was this black hawk down?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
yup
Wouldn't the apaches have performed much better if a human was in the gunner seat as he would have had much more precision whilst being better at avoiding friendlies then the AI?
In real life a single manpad could have shot down all of these apaches. Flying slowly at high altitude over urban environments is basically suicide for helicopters like this.
Too bad the c130 gunship doesn’t function in dcs as real life. Would be nice to see you fly while another runs the air to ground artillery 😂
Would like to see a human pilot and have a human gunner in the apache. Two humans in each so the pilot just flies and lets the gunner do his job.
Why are only 300 rounds modeled for the Apache in DCS, when the real Apache carries 1200 rounds?
@FlyingWithSpurts
Жыл бұрын
Because DCS models the added fuel tank that takes up the ammo bay IIRC
One thing I noticed is you all hover too much, you're just a target. Plus the ah-64 can carry 1200 rd of 30mm. If heavy from the temp carry less rockets.
Shouldn't dump your guns straight away like that.
Ch-47 g or Vietnam ah-47 guns a go-go
f35 beats a10?
just started the video but if iraq was anything to go by this score is gonna be worse than the a-10's
surely there is someone else at the church that not only believes in god and all that, they wont be putting their own health at risk. If you want to keep doing it, then do it regardless of what happens.
I have lupus, which is an autoimmune disease. I have to consider the risk to myself when doing most things. I have managed to not get Covid🖕and have been careful but I have still lived my on my terms. Maybe wear a mask?
@grimreapers
Жыл бұрын
Roger, take care Matty :)
Cap, just for fun, break out the F-16s and 18s and 35s with stupid ordnance loads for shits and giggles. Or make one where you guys bring an aircraft that you think can kill everyone and everything the fastest and in a most spectacular fashion.
danger close with an telephoto, AI controlled chain gun. not quite hollywood drama.
I don’t know cap, an I didn’t kill a bus like you….
Hey Cap. I'm immunocompromised and volunteer with the youth ministry (12-18 year olds) at my church in the Boston area. After being involved pretty consistently with youth ministry for the last 12 years since helping during college/ university, I took a break last year mainly because of burn out (was serving every week during the year outside summer and also had a full time job). I started back up again in the fall because 1) I felt I had a specially given skill set with that age group that needed to serve a purpose 2) I hated seeing the turnover of other volunteers before me and wanted our teenagers to have someone who is consistently around and not going to leave after 6 months. For a lot of time during the break, I felt my heart pulling me back and I imagine you might have to wrestle with that too. But a break is totally alright if you need to take the time to be fed into spiritually and physically (going easy on your health) after pouring yourself a lot into other people with everything you do or find some happy median. I'm currently on schedule just twice a month which is much more manageable and taking steps to take care of myself too. Really appreciate the entertainment you bring along with the moments of humanity and vulnerability. Cheers from the US!
Man I can't stand the monocle overlay.
If you need apache pilots I'm pretty sure Prince Harry is at a loose end.
First view
sigh .. without watching the video .. OF COURSE IT BLOODY WELL CAN ...SIGH .. .. try a Kiowa or Cayuse. Why spend your time posting videos about the bleeding obvious .. even a Vietnam era Huey / Cobra could kill a few guys armed with nothing more potent then AK47's and the odd RPG. your bias towards the US equipment is getting a bit thin .. I used to love your videos .. but now .. I know the result even before watching them . Try making the fights fairer .. sheesh
It’s nice to be wanted and relied upon and it never sucks to act like a child with children. However, your immune system cannot be called upon to fight off the petri dish of illness that is a gathering of modern children. You can still do it but you must have an agreement from all the parents that kids with any illness whatsoever cannot be allowed to participate until they are healthy. No parent would blame you for your compromised condition and given the choice between complying with your stipulations or losing you altogether, you know they’ll choose you. Who doesn’t want some super Cap in their day?