For anyone wondering why i used a WWI battleship, i know it is overkill, lol. It was a specific request.

@christiandauz3742

Ай бұрын

Maybe future scenarios should focus more on the aftermath? Or have multiple battles involved?

@legiran9564

Ай бұрын

I have an interesting request. Let's imagine the Battle of Sunda Strait on the night of 28 February - 1 March 1942. Then swap all the ABDA ships with World Of Warships Super Ships. USS Houston with USS Annapolis, HMAS Perth with HMS Edgar and HNLMS Evertsen with HSwMS Dalarna. All the new ships have Autoloading guns and mid 1950s radar and firecontrol. Would the ABDA flotilla survive an entire Japanese Armada?

@hazchemel

Ай бұрын

Hmmm. I reckon the Danton would take at least 2 ships under fire.

@hazchemel

Ай бұрын

​@@legiran9564also, I feel the pain of the Dutch fleet. For the Dutch mariner who survived the Japanese Empire, which means surviving a long sentence of PoW, a rare and remarkable event no doubt, and after release from PoW, learning of the success of the submarine flotilla whatever.

@BioHunter1990

Ай бұрын

Most of the battleships in WWII, where WWI era ships. Dreadnoughts and super dreadnoughts where the staple until the late 1930s and into the 1940s with the develop of "modern" fast battleships. So it's all good there. :) Edit: Ah, the Danton. A semi-dreadnought. Basically cheap dreadnought. The turbines are a huge advantage...nevermind the vast arsenal of guns (This is what seperated the Danton class from true dreadnoughts...not "all big gun".) The 3in guns with HE would burn everything they hit. Larger guns probably massive overpenetration before detonating. And AP shells...useless.

Having toured the last remaining WW1 battleship, the USS Texas (BB35). She doesn't even need even need to shoot, she can run them down, speed of 21 knots and an armored bow.

@covertcounsellor6797

Ай бұрын

Agree with you, Scott, but what about the USS Missouri (BB63)? I’d love to visit the Texas, mind you. Is she actually seaworthy or in dry dock?

@johnfisher9692

Ай бұрын

@@covertcounsellor6797 The trouble with taking Missouri back to this era is fuel. Once she exhausted her fuel oil there would be no way to replace it. At least Texas was coal powered though I don't know if they would have the extensive stocks required to keep Texas going, that's a lot of coal for this period.

@johnfisher9692

Ай бұрын

Poor ol Danton could only do 18.5 knots. Though in an era where speeds were single digits she's a speed boat as long as her coal stocks hold out. Could the industry of this time produce enough quality coal to keep her operational? They could not replace any ammunition

@Leoluvesadmira

Ай бұрын

​@johnfisher9692 sure if you do the WW1 configuration l. The texas was refitted to burn oil in 1922 or 1926 when the added torpedo blisters

@scottlangseth8823

Ай бұрын

@@johnfisher9692 USS Texas was covert to oil between the wars.

Child: My Lord how did we win at Trafalgar? Napoleon: We cheated.

@Butter_Warrior99

28 күн бұрын

VIVE LA FRANCE!

@Galikalou

28 күн бұрын

@@Butter_Warrior99 why the A to "Vive" ? But still Vive la france !

@Butter_Warrior99

28 күн бұрын

@@Galikalou Oops. My bad.

@deadsoldiertr

24 күн бұрын

"There was nothing *they* can do."

@lontongstroong

18 күн бұрын

HON HON HON BAGUETTE!!!

Without watching the video yet..... Yes!

@memonk11

Ай бұрын

Read my mind.

@miketogwell1000

Ай бұрын

Without watching the video, a WW1 cruiser could win the battle Probably even a destroyer

@mirangermanll

Ай бұрын

@@miketogwell1000 Maybe even a US Coast Guard High Endurance Cutter! lol

@whyjnot420

26 күн бұрын

@@miketogwell1000 "Hell, a ww1 era destroyer could have.' Was literally the first thought I had when I read the video title. Actual metal (even if not armor proper) and exploding munitions are a hell of a thing. Though neither of those would really be the kicker. That would be the engines. A ww1 destroyer would simply be able to dictate the battles terms and thus be allowed to fight it on whatever terms they wanted. Personally I wonder what range something like Victory would need to be at to puncture the splinter proof stuff on a destroyer with their solid shot. My guess is somewhere around standard fighting range for the ship, on the closer end of this spectrum. Since those guns were far more powerful than they were accurate and that accuracy was what really dictated the ranges they fought at, rather than the effective range. Even at the Battle of Manilla Bay the accuracy of the USN ships is something like 1% (this is somewhat misleading due to how the battle was fought, but not that misleading). A fact that was still pretty true even in ww1. To put it simply anyways. It wasn't until the advent of RADAR guided guns that happened right at the end of the big gun era, that this truly changes. Regardless of how much better the optical rangefinders had gotten. addendum: Metal that isn't proper armor is far weaker than a lot of people seem to think. Just look at the damage done to the Little Willie tank prototype simply by trying to tow it. (around the pistol port on the front). As stated by the Tank Museum: "...and you can see the damage at the front where somebody tried to tow the tank by threading a line through one of its windows. It’s not made of armour plate, only boilerplate after all."

@Michael-sb8jf

18 күн бұрын

An iron clad could probably do it if it had the right circumstances and not overwhelmed. But that's pushing it. A few more might be needed to prevent boardings. Which is how I could see a flotilla defeating a single ironclad.

It takes nearly 16 min to say "Obviously" The technological gap is so huge as to make the question dumb. As long as her coal stocks and ammunition held out the Danton (the last French Pre-Dreadnought actually built after HMS Dreadnought) would rule the oceans in this time period

@kevinyaucheekin1319

Ай бұрын

Even La Glorie, would have been a bad choice, given how overpowered it was against Napoleonic era ships of the line. Much least, one of the most overpowered of the pre dreadnoughts to serve in the French navy. 😊

@nickklavdianos5136

Ай бұрын

Ammunition stocks aren't of particular importance, since you can just ram the wooden ships.

@johnfisher9692

Ай бұрын

@@nickklavdianos5136 True but ramming can still damage the ship so why risk it?

@ryanbrewis6990

Ай бұрын

​@@johnfisher9692Wood ship getting hit by 18k ton of steel at nearly 20 knots? Not sure that would damage the pre-dread much tbh

@daaa3932

Ай бұрын

The Franco-Spanish Fleet trying to incorporate a World War I Pre-Dreadnought would be like a squadron of Spitfires from the Battle of Britain trying to work alongside an F-15 Eagle... They can't work together. The Danton wouldn't even have to get up steam; her guns would shatter the British Fleet long before they got into range.

Pinnacle of engineering? The Danton was obsolete when it was launched. The British, Americans, and Japanese already had dreadnoughts at that point. Danton was a late pre-dreadnought.

@BattleshipOrion

Ай бұрын

We aint try'na hate here, but aint the of the video the fact that a ww1 era battleship (no matter how ugly, or obsolete (I prefer Japanese Dreadnoughts, including the Ise's to a point)) went back to 1805, it would still be a pinnacle of engineering. That class is also pinnacle of what a POS BB looks like in my opinion.

@nickklavdianos5136

Ай бұрын

To be fair, the Dantons are extremely powerful pre dreadnoughts. They have their four main 12 inch guns, but also twelve 9,4 inch guns. They're powerful to the extent that they have a good shot against the early dreadnoughts, albeit limited by speed. If I ever had to take a pre dreadnought to fight against a dreadnought, I'd probably take the a Danton, Satsuma or Lord Nelson.

@josynaemikohler6572

28 күн бұрын

Danton was designed as a pre dreadnoughts, because France believed after Tsushima, that the combat ranges would remain relativly short. At which point this configuration would have a higher rate of fire, and higher broadside weight compared to the early dreadnoughts, like Dreadnought, Nassau class, South Carolina, and being well able to overpower those. However, as we now know in hindsight, the assumption about combat ranges would be incorrect, and the 9.4" guns would fall behind on longer ranges, compared to fewer 12" guns.

@tutel7

25 күн бұрын

uhm ackshually, it was a semi-dreadnought

@justinmurphy2227

23 күн бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking to myself. Even the Japanese had vessels that surpassed this.

The real question to be asked is whether Danton would even need to bother using its main guns. Its 9 inch guns and defensive guns were faster-firing and entirely capable of wrecking wooden ships.

@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723

Ай бұрын

Factoring the fast reload and scopes, oh yeah you cripple then kill,

@fembotheather3785

Ай бұрын

@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 I didn't say they wouldn't use them, just that they probably wouldn't need to use them. They have them so they might as well! :)

@jonathanallard2128

Ай бұрын

I hypothesize that a single 12 inch broadside could sink a wooden first rate. High explosive of this caliber vs wood! X4. They wouldn't last long if they did.

@fembotheather3785

29 күн бұрын

@@jonathanallard2128 My point was merely that their more rapid-firing secondaries and defensive armaments could probably do it too, and probably more quickly, and that there's really not much the enemy fleet can do about it. The smart play might be to save the 12" guns for the ships that try to run while the secondaries and defensive guns tear up everything that's closer. The only limits the battleship would have would be its supply of ammunition and fuel, and eventually spare parts. As for fuel, coal was theoretically obtainable.

@jonathanallard2128

29 күн бұрын

@@fembotheather3785 Oh I didn't try to disagree with you! In fact I 100% agree with your comment I just wanted to add a new and different hypothesis, see if you'd agree with this one. But yeah for sure the secondaries only would shred them wooden ships no problem.

There were 6 hours between the beginning of the battle and the first fighting, the Danton would try trickshots in that time and the 9.2 inch guns would shoot high explosive guns, even the 4 inch would destroy 1st rates with ease.

@windwalker5765

Ай бұрын

The one thing I wonder is, does the Danton have shell fuzes which would be armed by 2 feet thick hardwood? I think the main guns definitely and the secondaries probably would act like solid shot, go right through the ships of the line without exploding. She'd still do a tremendous amount of damage, but more along the line of holing them at or below the waterline.

@mikemcghin5394

Ай бұрын

The 4 inch guns Shell's will arm well the ones on USS Walker did when she engaged Wooden Ships

@5peciesunkn0wn

Ай бұрын

@@windwalker5765 if they're using HE with impact fuses, yes. Yes they will.

@Peppabot

29 күн бұрын

I guess they’d have the hit u see the waterline and hope the water would be strong enough to detonate the shells under the ship when it comes to the main batteries. Probably HE shells will do fine, but AP shells with any kind of fuse I doubt will blow up any ship. Small caliber HE shells will blow anything out of the water

@DarthEstebanMontoya

28 күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure you'd over-pen even with HE.

We saw less extreme version of this during the Opium Wars and Crimean War, where iron clads completely obliterated older more numerous fleets of wooden ships of the line.

@Real_OSHA_Unsafety_Engineer

11 күн бұрын

Yi Sun Shin's Turtle ships proved that 2 turtle ships and 11 Regular ships could wreck the 300 combined warships Japanese fleet, 300 years before first steam powered iron clads exists.

If it’s HMS Warspite she’d take out all three fleets, then proceeded to intervene in the Battle of Waterloo. How? Damned if I know. She’s HMS Warspite.

@johnplummer4785

29 күн бұрын

Elaborate? I sense this is funny but I want to know why it’s funny

@murkywateradminssions5219

28 күн бұрын

HMS Warspite or more affectionately known as the grand old lady, snipped an Italian battleship at a distance of 24 kilometres. She was also present to provide naval gun fire during operations conducted in Italy and during the Normandy landings. She's a relatively well decorated battleship in the Royal Navy

@waynesworldofsci-tech

28 күн бұрын

@@johnplummer4785 Warspite had a steering casualty during the Battle of Jutland. Somehow the repairs didn’t quite take, and HMS Warspite developed a troubling tendency to ‘have steering issues’ which invariably had her heading straight towards the nearest enemy ship, irrespective of what the captain had ordered. Her final steering issue happened on the way to the razor blade factory. Check Drachinifel’s Guides on the Queen Elizabeth class battleships and HMS Warspite. Drach does an incredible job.

@danieljones7843

28 күн бұрын

HMS Warspite would have been the great equaliser!

@murkywateradminssions5219

28 күн бұрын

@@danieljones7843 no. Warspite would've seal clubbed the poor thing HMS Warspite is a queen Elizabeth class super dreadnought. In her ww1 configuration, she had four, 15 inch guns in twin gun turret configuration (giving her eight `5 inch guns), 13 inches of armor at the water belt, 7-10 inches of armor at the barbettes and 11-13 inches of armor at her gun turret. the Danton has two twin 305mm guns (one at the front and the back), twelve 240mm guns (at the sides) and sixteen 75mm guns at the lower deck. The Danton's armor at the water belt is only 7-10 inches thick, 10-13 inches of armor for the turrets and 10.5 inches of armor for the conning tower. the Danton's speed and Warspite's speed is somewhat similar at 24knts for the Warspite while 19knts for the Danton's. however, Warspite has the advantage of significantly bigger calibers whilst being able to bring all of her main guns to bare whilst the Danton can only bring half of it due to pre-dreadnought battleship designs being the way the are. if we were bringing ww2 Warspite into question, Danton would've been sniped from 20 kilometers guaranteed. The RN giulio Cesare can attest to Warspite's gunnery

The difference in combat capability between the two eras is truly insane. A single WWI battleship would be largely immune to cannon fire, denting the hull plating and scratching the paint isn't going to deter a battleship. And if the BB stayed out at a couple thousand yards then few cannon balls would even manage to that little damage. Meanwhile, a ship of the line might be about 250 feet long, that's feet, not meters. meaning that a single HE shell blowing up mid ship would me a mere 125 feet, at most, from everyone on the ship. That's about 38 meters for metric people. Wooden walls and decks would provide some protection from shrapnel but would also serve to channel the blast wave down whatever deck was hit. That's easily within the kill zone of a 12" explosive shell. And while not everyone would be killed by a single hit, the damage would be severe enough, with enough casualties, that the ship hit would likely be combat ineffective... to the extent it ever was combat effective when faced with a WWI era battleship. And this doesn't count the fires started by the hot shrapnel... or the chance of powder magazines being hit. A single secondary shell (about 5" give or take) would still do massive damage, start fires, and kill lots of people. It wouldn't take too many secondary hits to guarantee that the wooden ship was either a burning and sinking wreck or bunch of floating matchsticks after a powder explosion. The WWI battleship has no concern about wind direction and can out run the sailing ships in any direction so the sailing shops can't run or outmaneuver the battleship. A WWI battleship at Trafalgar would be nothing but a simple gunnery exercise.

@jlsabinas8578

3 күн бұрын

A simple yet extremely gratifying excercise for the French, lol

Honestly, this might be the most one-sided engagement this channel has ever done. I think it's another case of bringing technology too advanced to make for an interesting engagement, despite the fact that it's only a hundred years' difference. I think this battle is where you should have sent the Civil War ironclads that went to Lepanto. Oceangoing ironclads like the _Kalamazoo_ class are resistant but not immune to cannon, have more powerful guns than a man o' war but a far lower rate of fire. But most importantly, while they were slightly slower than sailing ships, they could maneuver in any manner they chose regardless of wind.

@Neneset

Ай бұрын

That wouldn't make any difference. Those ships were very much closer to Admiral Nelson's ships in capability than they were to Admiral Jellico's. Armor, weapons, fire control and engines improved by orders of magnitude between the 1860s and 1910s.

@windwalker5765

Ай бұрын

@@Neneset That's the point, I want a fight that's close enough to be interesting... not an ass whooping like this.

@Neneset

Ай бұрын

@@windwalker5765 Perhaps I read your position backwards. I read it as 1860s vs 1910s and you seem to have meant it as 1800s vs 1860s. While not as dominant as the other, the 1860s were well in advance of the 1800s. Particularly the advent of the explosive shell replacing solid shot changed naval warfare.

@windwalker5765

Ай бұрын

@@Neneset Correct. But I still think it's close enough to be interesting... given the same number of ships per side (and ignoring that the US only built 4 Kalamazoo class). The ironclad breechloading guns have range, power, and shrapnel... but only 4 guns per ship, vs. 70-100 for the men of war. The ironclad has a massive maneuver and defense advantage, but any damage it takes is much harder to repair, where the carpenter can patch holes and mend sails to a greater extent. To me, it comes down to, can the men of war survive long enough to start some leaks or cause engine damage?

@BattleshipOrion

Ай бұрын

@@windwalker5765 Not gonna lie, it'd be more interesting to see 1880's-1890's pre-Dreads/ironclads fight a whole floating forest, no disrespect to wooden sailing ships, but at least give a noticeable difference otherwise it has to many numbers, & I'm sorry but I have a game that does that for me. Two of 'em in fact, both of them don't have wooden sailing ships either. Now if we really wanna see a fight with a huge gap of 140+ years, send the Fletcher's, Benson's, or Allen M Sumner's against those wooden sailing ships.

The one issue with these scenarios is that it is not "what if the French had Danton", but "what if the French were given Danton, a ship from the future". The core of that issue is that this would of course appear as a supernatural event, which would shape the morale of the whole event without the ship even taking a direct role in it.

@andrewwilson6726

28 күн бұрын

Yeah if a Brit ship even got the chance to see that thing they would've disappeared sooooo fast.

@MarcoRangos

14 күн бұрын

Bro who cares lmao 😂 It’s cool to think about and that’s all that matters.

@CigaRhett73

8 күн бұрын

The Brit’s probably wouldn’t even consider fighting the battle if they had even the notion that they were given a distinct advantage by some supernatural entity. Clearly the cards aren’t in their favor lol.

Stupid question. A battleship is overkill. It could just ram every Franco-Spanish ship. A single destroyer could have won at Trafalgar.

@theicmn

28 күн бұрын

I'm curious how a PT boat would do. Would torpedoes do much to a galleon?

@daiquylam3401

28 күн бұрын

​@@theicmn it would blow a hole so big it might be consider as an asteroid crater or just straight up split the ship in half

@fenriders7008

28 күн бұрын

@@theicmnyeah a heavy ww1 torp would break the spine of a ship of the line. They tore car sized holes in dreadnaughts…

@uteriel282

27 күн бұрын

the 100mm guns on ww1 destroyers alone would decimate any wooden galleon from far outside their own gun ranges. because theyre unarmored wooden ships any shot into the magazine is an insta kill.

@itsyvonblitz6819

25 күн бұрын

Stupid question Fun video

IF we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

This is Mike Tyson versus coughing baby. Dat baby gon die

Assuming she comes pre-stocked with fuel, knowledgeable crew, ammunition, and supplies, then yes. Easily.

@evangelinetsukyomi9023

Ай бұрын

For once it's less a hassle since the fuel is simple coal,they can refuel anywhere. The ammo would be more bothersome ( the cannon used sac of powder so it's less difficult to make than full brass cartridge but they still would need to know what's the composition of powder in it to be able to remake them and at that time the ammo would be limited to non explosive round solid shot) The maintenance would not be so difficult for the time until the ship need to dry dock to repair the hull, or if anything of importance break if Napoleon era engineer cannot remake them good enough to replace the broken piece( they have a limited supply of spare piece and reparations material on board )

@triadwarfare

13 күн бұрын

@@evangelinetsukyomi9023 maybe the ship could just ram itself against the wooden ships once it runs out of ammo.

Realistically there is nothing at Trafalgar that could stop it. Its armor is too thick & the ships couldn't withstand its fire. And even if they SOMEHOW ran out of ammo, it could just ram every enemy ship in sight.

A few thoughts: 1. This scenario would be more realistic if the British had heard of a French super weapon, so wouldn't be caught entirely off guard. 2. The Danton would have great success if it launched brotasides from directly in front of a ship of the line as for gunnery, direction was easier to determine than distance. 3. It seems likely the Danton could defeat the British fleet without any help from the French/Spanish fleet. 4. This scenario would be much more intriguing if the French substituted several ironclad ships like those used in the American Civil War, 50 years ahead rather than 100.

A lot of what is described here takes place pretty much exactly like that in the later installments of Taylor Anderson's alternative history "Destroyermen" series - wooden ships of the line versus steamers with armour and modern naval guns. Granted, in that case the "modern" ships are far smaller than the Danton, WW1 destroyer(s) in fact, and the wooden warships in some cases even feature crude steam propulsion, but the only chance the liners have is to somehow lure the modern steamers into range and try for a long-range broadside, going for a shotgun effect. The ability to maneuvre at will independent of the wind and having far longer range should make Danton vs Nelson's fleet a foregone conclusion. Explosive shells do a real number on ships made of oak.

@npc.no1

Ай бұрын

@ctw30002000 is that a book series or is it on KZread?

@ctw30002000

Ай бұрын

@@npc.no1 Oh, I didn't specify that. It is a book series.

@palious13

Ай бұрын

I love those books.

@skyranger1366

Ай бұрын

The grik did nothing wrong.

Here's another thought: you're bringing in a WWI ship with a WWI naval leader. I think if anything he's gonna tell Nelson and the opposing French ships to stop quarreling like children and focus on keeping central Europe in check, and one salvo would be more than enough to make both sides cooperate.

@ShadowDragon8685

25 күн бұрын

Here's another thing to think about: the French Admiral's oaths are to the _Third Republic._ Is he going to be any friend of Bonaparte? Would he even be willing to _collude_ with the English (remember, he has just come through WWI, he was allied with the English), in the hopes that the might of _Danton_ can bring about the end of Napoleon _faster?_ Possibly he might set himself up as Emperor, or more likely, bust out some history books and textbooks on the Third Republic (there'll be _some_ literature aboard) and try to kickstart things, along with the Industrial Revolution. After all, he's gonna need good machinery to repair Danton. Wear and tear will be its enemies.

@meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee2

12 күн бұрын

Surely Nelson with 9x 16" guns is going to turn the Danton into scrap metal in minutes, it even used Trafalgar type point blank firing tactics against Bismark.

Finally an answer to the question that has been bugging me for the last few years.

The chasm between Napoleonic ships and warships a century later is akin to the Red Baron in his Fokker triplane taking on a modern F-35...Wouldn't last long and the Baron would not have even seen what sent him to the next world. 🤣. I expect the next vid will be ''What if the USS Gerald R. Ford took a side during the Battle of Actium ?''

@ShadowDragon8685

25 күн бұрын

An F-35's fire control radar might not actually be able to acquire Richtofen's Fokker as a target. Radars filter out _a lot_ of extraneous stuff, so they don't wind up locking onto a flock of birds of a kite or a tree.

@philcollinson328

25 күн бұрын

But seriously ...An F-35 dedicated to hunting down a Fokker? That Fokker is a dead Fokker.

@ShadowDragon8685

24 күн бұрын

@philcollinson328 oh, most *likely.* But the F-35 pilot is gonna have to do stuff his plane doesn't wanna do, like make gun runs, or maybe just buzz the Red Baron at Mach 2 in order to air-slap his plane apart.

@wallemahatma

22 күн бұрын

I guess, that dogfight between a fokker and a f-35 would end with no one harmed. The fokker is way too slow and manouverable to get caught by any modern AA weapon and the f-35 is way too fast to get hit by the two MG08/15.

@philcollinson328

21 күн бұрын

I suspect the guys commenting before have a point however ...The Baron's Fokker made of wood and paper, flying slower than an unladen bumble bee, may not even register on an F-35's instruments....If they accidentally collided, the F-35 pilot may need to employ his windscreen wiper ...and would understand why his opponent, Richthofen, had been dubbed the ''Red Baron'' ...This was a wonderful debate...And my sincere thanks to the creator of the vid (it spawned many talking points to my surprise) as well as many interesting and valued thought provoking comments ...lots of fun.

This video is so hilariously random. The fact that it takes itself so seriously and even ends with a "dramatic narration" makes it even better Can't wait for "Could a Single Avro Vulcan Win the American Revolution?" next

I think a ship like the HMS Warrior built in 1860 would be a better ship to test against Napoleonic wars.

This is surely the most one-sided fight on this videos' serie, it wouldn't be a battle, but an execution, a single 305 shell would've wrecked every ship of the line of those times. The Danton would've won single handed the battle, the only job for the french fleet would've been to rescue the (few) survivors.

A WWI battleship there?, that is too unfair for the British. I agree with others that early ironclads migh fit better.

I mean, what are they supposed to do? The maximum range of any one of those kanons would be considered close range to a ww1 Batelship. Efective canon range would be considered closer than point blank. Its also faster. They could not even shot at it. They would anoy it at most even if the could.

@cybertea2639

27 күн бұрын

the danton could technically run them down and ram them since it was much faster and was... well... metal

Would've been more fun to pick either a more recent battle or a less advanced ship. This one wouldn't even be a contest.

@mbr5742

Ай бұрын

Even HMS Warrior vs Danton would be one sided. Breech loading QF rifles and Harvey or Krupp armor are huge game changers. Even Dantons 75mm gun outrange Warriors main artillery. And Hail Of Fire works in that time period as shown by Japan vs Russia in 1905

Danton was in fact a semi-dreadnought. But in this case, probably the best you could use, what with its 8 main big gun turrets.

This would have been much more interesting with an ironclad ship rather than a full on battleship

LOL without even watching... YES! The bloody Ball shot of the cannons would not even penetrate the thinnest of armor on a dreadnaught.

@nikolaideianov5092

27 күн бұрын

its not even a dreadnaught and its still be very one sided

Did I inspire this when I said you may as well sent in HMS Dreadnought in your Victory vs Vikings vid or is it pure coincidence? Btw if you're still taking requests I'd still like to see a modern infantry regiment taking on Gallipoli

I appreciate the what-if scenarios. Thanks for making these well done videos!

Knowing the British, I would have to believe that they would just wait until night and sneak a group aboard the ship and take over and then use the ship against the French

@Manuelslayor

Ай бұрын

Not likley. There is allways somone on watch on a ww1 batelship. A sail ship is also to big tho pull up to the side without anyone noticing.....even during night. The compliment of the sail ship is also to small. Probably around 1/8th.

@Briselance

Ай бұрын

Take over? 😅 I... think not.

@seanbissett-powell5916

7 күн бұрын

@@Manuelslayor The Danton had a crew of about 850. That's roughly the same as a first rate ship of the line, but with a far smaller complement of marines. Automation has it's advantages ! It didn't have radars or night vision aids (they hadn't been invented) so would actually be very vulnerable while moored up at night. Have a look at the actual history of Royal Navy cutting-out operations. There were hundreds of them, and they had it down to a fine art, to the point wherethey could usually take a ship with a boarding party about 20% of the size of the target's crew, and often under the noses of shore-based forts. The first thing the target ship would know was when their decks were suddenly swarming with Royal Marines and sailors - even having guard-boats out rarely worked as a defence.

@lordkfc1297

3 күн бұрын

@@seanbissett-powell5916 The Danton would have better small arms, they would also have sentries as mentioned before but most importantly they would have searchlights. So yeah, a big hard no to any British attempt at boarding it xD.

Honestly, the Ww1 battleship is overkill for the wooden ships, especially with how Admiral Nelson tries to cross the T.

The 9.4 cm guns would be more than enough with one shot per ship.

Next video: What if the Danton was never present at the Battle Of Trafalgar?

This is the kind of alternate history I never knew I wanted.

Love these videos. The time travel story is always interesting, and i learn real history.

the rea question what if a ww1 German battleship arrived instead of a french one. a three way battle could be intresting especially if it travels to prussia.

yes one salvo of shells the entire royal navy is flaming matchsticks. shells could be devastating just look at the bsttle of sinope in 1853 when the russians wiped out a turkish a turkish squadron.

Admiral Collingwood also played a major part in Trafalgar

Pitbull on Meth versus disabled Toddlers

You got me. The stated premise is so absurd and obvious that I just had to watch your video.

The steam powered warship with rifled breach loading QF guns will simply stay out of range by staying up wind and fire aimed single shots of explosive rounds at the waterline. From her 75mm terciaries. The rounds will punch through the hulls before detonating so the first few hits will kill the majority of a wooden ships crew and likely cause fires

A Danton would literally have looked like seeing a starship appear today..

Did this randomly come across my youtube feed? Yes. Do i like alternate history? Not really but some scenarios are interesting. Am I going to watch this? Yes, yes i am!

There was a scene in the manga "Zipang" where the most sophisticated American fleet mid-WW2 in the Pacific, had to fight a modern Aegis-equipped Kongo-class destroyer sent back in time, that aimed to protect the evacuation of the Aleutian islands. It was foggy, and the advanced diesel-powered ship weaved between the enemy fleet at such an alarming speed despite its damaged radar systems - its single 127mm deck gun made quick and short work of enemy ships up close, and even caused the fleet to engage each other's muzzle flashes. A recon pilot also caused a small fire on one of the US ships, which allowed the JDS Mirai to fire some missiles at the lit target, with minimal damage taken to itself throughout the battle. They later transmitted the locations of surviving crew to the rest of the US fleet for recovery. I found it entertaining enough to write something similar into the plot of the fantasy novel I'm writing, an unexpected yet decisive battle between a massive dwarven fleet of wooden steamships against something akin to a diesel-powered WW1-esque corvette - where my protagonist improvises a radical way to figure out the bearings of enemy smokestacks in the fog while defending herself from wyvern riders using her submachine gun.

“Could a single M1A2 defeat 10 men with PTRDs?”

I should bloody well hope so!! The Royal Navy's wooden sailing ships of the time armed with muzzle-loading cannon firing solid shot would be like shooting BB's at an elephant!! The Danton could move independently of sea and wind, fired shells that exploded on contact or delayed penetrating from various sized guns, and if all else failed could easily ram the opposing sailing ships.

Let’s make this short: The monitor and merrimack shot eachother for three hours to zero effect and both went home. A battleship has more armor everywhere than both combined, plus absurd firepower. Yes. A single WW1 battleship could simultaneously fight every navy in the world at that time and it’s only concern would be ammo.

Danton was outdated when she hit the water since she was essentially an updated Pre-Dreadnought. Compared to what was already in the water from Great Britain at the time it would have been outclassed but compared to ships a Century earlier she would have been impervious to anything the British could have brought against her. She wouldn't have had to use speed or long range firepower since nothing then in the British Navy had any chance of penetrating the armor of even the lightest protected cruiser of the French Navy, much less the heavy armor of a pre-dreadnought. The Danton would close and rake every single British ship with her main, secondary and tertiary batteries. All would fire high explosive shells which would easily penetrate the wood sides of all of the ships. Even the smaller 3 and 1.5 inch anti destroyer defense weapons would be devastating to any sailing ship. The ships that didn't burn to the waterline right off the bat would be sitting ducks for the rest of the French/Spanish fleet coming in to finish them off. It would be a slaughter.

Would love to be a fly on Admiral Nelson's Wall for that turn of events.

This reminds me of one of Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat novels, although that simply involved equipping Napoleon with recoilless artillery pieces.

In a situation like this, i imagine, it would just drive through the enemy ships.

Little did Napoleon know, Britain was eventually going to isolate itself from continental Europe for no particular reason...

Maybe something a bit more... In comprehension? I mean, a semi-dreadnought with large plates of Krupp style steel armor, and guns that could outrange the nelsonian era ships multiple times over, which don't even need to hit to cause catastrohic damage... Yeah, it's a given. I mean, it may even be better for Danton to get a near miss, than a direct hit, as a direct hit would likely not even set off the fuse on most of the heavy shells, causing them to travel through the hull, creating a large, localized swath of destruction. Which while bad enough... If say, a 12 inch round exploded in the water next to, or even worse, under a SoTL, it could likely just reduce the underwater hull to splinters, and maybe even set off the magazine. Say, instead... a SoTL vs... Monitor? Or... if Warrior could defeat the french fleet alone? Sure, those ships are still at a HUGE advantage, being steam powered, with thick (relatively) armor, and armed with large shell guns... but a small, laminated armor ironclad VS a full SoTL is at least more... reasonable. And, one large ironclad VS a fleet of 33 SoTLs I think is also reasonably stacked for an interesting conversation.

Bro is creating scenario from isekai novel JAPAN SUMMON.

A Fletcher class with extra 5” shell stored in any place they fit and as the man said “ Game over, man game over”

a ww1 dreadnought vs ships of the line... the dreadnought doesn't even have to fire it's guns to win, it can just simply ram every single ship of the line in half while the wooden ships can barely scratch the paint with their guns

The world war 1 battleship would have to be carrying the right sort of ammunition. Armour piercing shells for use against other dreadnoughts would be pretty useless against wooden battleships, they would probably go straight through without exploding leaving relatively small 12 inch holes. High explosive shells for use against small boats and destroyers would probably work a lot better.

Is this a real question? It wouldn't even need to fire a shot!

Setting aside the firepower difference, the simple ability to steer and move without having to rely on wind and sail would be a huge advantage.

It may be more of a case of 'not enough ship to set the shells off' like, the Danton was built to fight other steel hull ships, so it's shells were fused accordingly to be able to punch through so many inches of steel before exploding or just punch through period. Firing those at wood, might just be like a ice-pick through paper kind of thing. shell hits, punches clean through both sides and skips across the water on the far side. At least for he main armament. The smaller guns though, those would be where the real work is done since they're more for hitting thinner plate around the secondary gun batteries of other ships, super structure ad thinner armored pieces. Plus raking with the AA guns which would still be easily inside their maximum even with the brit ships of the line being at their absolute maximum accuracy range. Never mind speed of the Danton plus it can just go one direction an turn back, swivel guns and not need to steer the entire ship to line up shots or wait for the roll of waves. Yeah, it wold be devastating for Nealson, the world in that time for such a ship to exist because France might just move positions and decide that it should rule the waves.

Love these Scenerios and even if they're one sided thats my kind of entertainment. I had a scenerio in mind. Napoleon returns from Elba with his 870 men but they only have baisc late 1800 and early 1900s technology. No planes, No tanks, no ships. just bolt action rifles, Basic artillery, and machine guns of the late 1800s and early 1900s. Only his 870 men (The soilders that went to exile with him) can have these new technologies. When he gets to the battle of waterloo or any other early battle his other armies can only use their era appropriate weapon. Would Napoleon be able to use the Quality and force the Coalition to let him stay in France or would the sheer qunitity in numbers of the Coalition send him back to Exile? Lets just say when in Exile, Napoleon gets a Console command research cheat technology or Elba becomes a modern early 1900 modern nation idk

I think a more “even” battle would be could the four Iowa classes win the battle of Jutland. I think it would be good to have a scenario for if it was on either side.

That's silly requesting a battleship. A late 19th century Monitor, like the Arkansas, could disable most of the fleet. Even the relatively weak WWI Wickes class destroyer could have taken on the fleet by itself. Cruise by the fleet at 2000 meters, punch a few 4" rounds thru each Brit ship, while using the 3" AA gun to make things interesting on deck. Make a second pass to take care of those running away, then call in the French navy to pick up survivors.

Parry This, I have an idea for a confrontation of past versus future, the Black Horsemen (German Mercenaries) of 1632, in the Battle of Nancy in 1477, supporting the Duke of Burgundy Charles the Bold and making use of his key pistols wheel to confront the Swiss pikemen who defeated the Burgundian knights

One shell from the 12" gun, if it actually exploded inside one of the ships, would either sink or cripple just about anything floating at the time of the battle. The secondary batteries could sink anything in just a few salvos. Even the AA guns could sink or disable a ship of the line in fairly short order. All of this happening well out of range of any return fire. Its insane to rhink About.

Some suggestions for the series: 1) USS Nimitz during the Attack on Pearl Harbor (Based on the Final Countdown) 2) A battalion of 1,100 soldiers from the Imperial Japanese Army assisting the remaining 500 members from the Satsuma Domain in the Battle of Shiroyama against 30,000 soldiers 3) Two companies (One American and one British) of light infantry accompanied by at least two M1 Abrams and two Challenger 2 tanks assisting in Operation Market Garden 4) 5 F-16 Fighting Falcons or 5 F-35A Lighting IIs from the Hellenic Air Force in the Battle of Crete, tasked with assisting the island defenders from the Germans 5) A platoon of 50 light infantry squads from the PLA in the Battle of Peking assisting the Qing Dynasty and Boxer movement against Eight-Nation Alliance 6) 50 US Navy SEALs or DEVGRU in the Battle of Wake Island. All of them are armed with the group's equipment as well as underwater equipment, allowing them to swim and plant explosives at unsuspecting IJA ships. 7) At least 100 LAPD or NYPD SWAT and police officers in the Battle of Atlanta defending the city from the Union 8) The Ladny and Pytlivyy in the Battle of Tsushima, assisting the Russian Empire against the Empire of Japan 9) 100 American-equipped South Koreans (Accompanied by one or two M4 Shermans) from the Korean War assisting the Sambyeolcho army in the Sambyeolcho Rebellion against the Yuan Dynasty

At point blank range even the muzzle shockwaves would devastating. That metal behemoth is shrugging everything off the British sent. It could choose to remain at range and never be threatened by Nelson's guns. Imagine it shelling London

when one main gun is made with more metal than all the metal on the fleet... i think the battle would be one sided lol

I think it's less weather or not the Danton wins and more who the danton would side with, if at all.

I remember a "what if" scenario on Saturday Night Live where it was asked if Napoleon could have won the Battle of Waterloo if he had a B52 loaded with nuclear weapons. Dan Akeroyd gave a very funny monologue to the positive. This reminds me of that.

By it self without any fleet a single iron clad of even the kind used in the American Civil War would have gone through either wooden fleet like sailing threw paper.

@nickklavdianos5136

Ай бұрын

No one wouldn't. They're too small, not seaworthy enough, they aren't particularly fast and one is not enough.

@kenken8857

29 күн бұрын

Before the first famous battle with the monitor the Merrymac sank several ships of the line. The cannon balls just bounced off.

@nickklavdianos5136

29 күн бұрын

@@kenken8857 they were not ships of the line. They were frigates, corvettes and gunboats. Please get your information right.

slight correction: the battle wasn't fought over the continental system, as it wasn't an official policy until 1806. napoleon was preparing an army to invade britain and villeneuve's fleet was supposed to come up from cadiz to boulogne to ferry him across the english channel, but villeneuve ignored his orders several times and was caught off trafalgar by nelson, who had been blockading him for weeks before he decided to hastily leave port.

okay... but how would Graff Spee's East Asia squadron fare? or any other ww1 "weaker" force/squadron do

The Danton's 9 and 12-inch guns had a range of at least 6 times the effective range of the cannon of the day. She could have sat with just her fighting tops visible over the horizon and reduced the fleet to matchwood. The two are at opposite ends of the period with the fastest change in sea warfare. We went from ships of the line to ironclads and then to dreadnoughts in around 50 years (1859 to 1906).

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Definitely.

A battleship may be overkill, but it is nonetheless an interesting scenario to consider.

What if a united states nuclear powered aircraft carrier appeared in the battle of jutland for either side

@rubenh7338

Ай бұрын

That's pointless. WWI warships had barely any, if any air defence weapons.

@tedhubertcrusio372

Ай бұрын

If USA joins the Central Powers: The Royal Navy will lose their hegemony over the sea, the German naval blockade will further starve the British at home, and would cause unrest, leading to a revolution in England and Scotland. The Irish republic would be peacefully established due to lack of any meaningful military response by the British. Indians would declare independence shortly after, Canada would be annexed by the Americans, and the Caribbean nations would follow, with Mexico forcing itself to become an American protectorate. Spain would parlay with the German-American alliance, and would reclaim Cuba and Puerto Rico, while American bases would be left untouched. Portugal, France and Belgium would be diplomatically isolated, and Alsace, Lorraine, Liege Malmedy and Eupen will be annexed by the German Empire. Russia would be military isolated and would have to fight a losing war alone, forcing them to sign a peace treaty with the Germans. As a result, Russia would switch sides, and would then focus on assisting German colonies in China from Japanese expansion. Japan would be soundly defeated, and the power vacuum left in its territories would pave the way for rising regional stars, like China, the Philippines (which was a US protectorate, but sought a peaceful road to total independence with close ties with America) and Thailand. The Thais would form the Siamese Empire, the Chinese would consolidate control over continental East Asia, the Philippines would occupy southern Taiwan and sign fair treaties with the Han Chinese, Yami, Atayal and Seediq people. China would have a land border with the Greater Philippine Republic, as well as occupy the Malayan Bornean states, establishing a border with Thailand and the colonial Dutch in the south. The Netherlands and Luxembourg would join the Central Powers, and together with Germany, would form into the Federative German Empire. The Federation of Europe (after the joining of Greece, Austria-Hungary, the Kingdom of Poland, the Grand Duchy of Finland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway) would pool their resources into delivering a final blow to the Belgians and French, who would surrender after 2 years of war. Britain would suffer economic decline due to the naval blockade, which would result in their surrender. France and Britain would relinquish control of its colonies abroad, with the Brazilians annexing Suriname(sans the Essequibo region), French Guiana, and British Guyana. Spain would regain Trinidad and Tobago, and would claim Jamaica and the Bahamas. Haiti would become a US protectorate. The Philippine independence movement, now supported by the Federation, would have a peaceful settlement with the United States, and would establish the Greater Philippine Republic (relocating its capital to Iloilo), annexing Palau, Guam, and the Japanese Home Islands. It would become a parliamentary democracy, inspired by the German model. It would then elect a Spanish king and a German queen, and would become a constitutional monarchy, the only Christian monarchy in Eastern Asia. Tonga would seek Philippine protection, resulting in its incorporation into the Kingdom, as a self-governing Kingdom within a Kingdom. Japan would also lose its territ in the North (Kurile and Sakhalin Islands) and would result in Japan joining the Central Powers. Russia, now regaining its Manchurian territories, would enjoy a longer Imperial era, modernizing and reforming along the way, as well as the resulting reconciliation of the Orthodox, Catholic and Reformed Church in the Council of Kiev (June 1917), Council of Ravenna (July 1917) and the Christmas Concord of Zürich (December 1917), uniting into simply, the Mother Church, with the Ottomans, a staunch German ally, agreeing to cede the Hagia Sophia to the now-united Christian Church. The Islamic Federation would also form, as well as the peacefulcreation of a Jewish homeland with a more consistent and larger territory, as well as friendly relationship with Arab nations. America would become a superpower, claiming Iceland, Greenland, and most of the American continent sans South America. It would establish a military and economic treaty with Spain, Gran Colombia, Peru, Bolivia and Brazil, becoming the American Federation. Spain would consolidate control over Gíbraltar and the Maghreb. Egypt would claim parts of Libya and northern Sudan.

@mbr5742

Ай бұрын

In the battle - dead Aircraft carrier. Because they do react rather badly to 280mm+ shells. Far enough away to be out of range - depends on were the other sides subs and mines are.

@skeeterd5150

Ай бұрын

@@mbr5742that’s the response I was looking for, well done

I feel like crossing the T would be particularly bad tactics in this scenario.

Haven’t watched video yet, but do the ships of the line get in for a boarding action?

@poil8351

Ай бұрын

the french would have rifles and side arms on board no doubt.

@alessiodecarolis

Ай бұрын

Plus, the LMGs and rifles of the marines on board would make short work of every enemy .

I imagine it would go something like the CSS Virginia during the first day of battle at Hampton Roads. The British, no matter how many guns they had, would simply bounce off the hull, if the battleship even let them get close enough to do anything. At the same time imagine the reversal of opinion it would give Napoleon from his dismissal of steam power

Nice Chat GPT written outro 😄 Jokes aside, awesome video!

This could have been interesting if : you had only the battleship on French side, gave info on how much ammo the BB had vs # of British ships, using AP vs HE targeted where on each ship, and what to do when heavy ammo ran out (aa guns, machine guns, ramming, boarding with modern firearm if necessary)

Hell, only the secondary batteries could do that.

It was always maintained that HMS Warrior, long before the WW1 Dreadnoughts could run down and destroy an entire squadron of enemy sail on her own so any WW1 Battleship with revolving turrets could definitely do it (only much quicker)!

Some pre WWI warships still around today that could still do some serious damage to the wooden ships - USS Texas, Mikasa (encased in concrete), USS Olympia, Georgios Averof and the Aurora. HMS Caroline is the sole survivor of the battle of Jutland built in 1914 and still exists today.

Harry Turtledove has a great book that addresses this. It was a sequel to Guns of the South.

5:42 sailing ships are only limited in range by food and other supplies, while steam powered ships need fuel, leading to sailing ships generally having longer range and endurance, but at a lower speed

Fun. I’d like to see an Iowa class BB at the battle of Jutland.

For such an avanced battle ship, is it really important to keep the distance with the ennemy ship ?

Having Us Navy SWCC team with unlimited ammo would fit well in this scenario and make it less overpowered cuz their boat is small could actually be damaged, but would be very interesting to see.

Ships may be one thing, but the crew and its training and morale is another major factor, as it was in the original battle of Trafalgar. As a what-if scenario, I think it's not that interesting, because it goes beyond every possible realistic scenario. obviously placing a ww1 era battleship, an experienced elite crew and a master tactition would mean that every factor and traits the french actually DID have is turned upside down. The original battle was a close call, the french morale and skills somewhat lacking compared to the british, was likely a deciding factor.

Id actually go a step further and say that a single ww1 cruiser could win vs both fleets. Guns with much more range, accuracy, and power would decimate those wooden ships. The cruiser could easily keep the range where it wanted and then essentially idle for maximum accuracy. A better question would be could the combined fleets escape by running in every direction? Outside of running they dont stand a chance.

Finding a good place from which to watch would be Villenueva's only challenge.

The world saw this hypothetical play out, when the (freshly-rebuilt) CSS Virginia first showed up at Hampton Roads, VA, during the USA's Civil War. She destroyed the USS Cumberland and USS Congress, using muzzle-loaded cannons and taking *almost* no damage in return (she lost an anchor when she rammed the Cumberland).

How many shells does the French battleship have on board? Amunition supply is often the key component when considering unbalanced technology scenarios. If, for instance, the battleship only has enough ammo for one hour of sustsined fighting, but the battle lasts for 3-5 hours, then the question is whether it can do enough damage while still effective to change the outcome. Also, are we assuming that the rest of the French-Spanish fleet has been briefed on what to expect, or maybe done any joint drills? Or will their suprise be just as much as the British suprise?