Been a steelers fan for 10 years now. This is the saddest moment by far

@michaelschild4073

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly that's a catch all hr has to do is break the plane once again refs hand the patriots a win

@1yourboyken

2 жыл бұрын

Brady isn’t as good as everyone thinks. Raiders “Tuck Rule” games was the same kind of heart break. That right there should take 2 rings off Brady

@hunterturpin6299

2 жыл бұрын

Not anymore bens last homegame hit way harder

@debaserdeducer4555

2 жыл бұрын

Wait till we lose to Browns in the playoffs in 2020..

@stormm3735

2 жыл бұрын

nothing is worse than tebow beating us

Haha Tom at the end yelling "Lets go" while a bunch of people booing him pretty much sums up his whole career.

@canitdo2717

5 жыл бұрын

Liam Farrell hate em cause they aint em

@Jondsmusic

4 жыл бұрын

CANitDO exactly they can’t handle the truth!

@CRS099

3 жыл бұрын

You’re right, gloating while the refs gifted him a win

@IWantToMature85

3 жыл бұрын

They cheated this game though,

@pollogaming919

3 жыл бұрын

@@IWantToMature85 like always

That was the primary play that caused the NFL to change the catch rule for this season. It was an unfair rule. Pittsburgh should have won.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

It was a perfectly fair rule. Black and white. "if you leave your feet in the process of the catch, you have to survive the landing with control of the ball" James left his feet and lost control of the ball upon impact with the ground. Very clear, Very simple. Only confusing to those deliberately trying to be confused because they don't like the outcome.

@njh18

4 жыл бұрын

hagamapama if it was fair why did they change the rule?

@StraightBleach

11 ай бұрын

@@njh18 Thet never changed the rule. This still isnt a catch.

@lord_beethoven1169

10 ай бұрын

They changed the rule too late for the Steelers to still be in their prime.

@sophisticatedbanana2336

7 ай бұрын

​@@StraightBleach they changed it

Probably one of the absolute worst calls in the history of all sports: and I’m a Massachusetts person and full supporter of the Patriots

@girbanzobean

4 жыл бұрын

i remember watchign this live, turned off my tv, phone, everything and went to bed cause i thought we lost, i woke up with a W and remember being like how?!

@DestroyNations

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely not. As a receiver you have to maintain control all the way to the ground. The ball hit the ground and he lost control. Dezs catch was overturned and so was Calvin Johnson's. Both crossed the plain.

@coreyrowe2598

4 жыл бұрын

@@DestroyNations I'm a Bears fan and I'm neutral in this situation with the Pats and Steelers but I agree with you. The surviving the ground rule might've been a stupid rule but it clearly stated maintaining full control of the ball as you fall to the ground completely overrules reaching for the end zone and breaking the plain. It was a tough one for Pittsburgh to swallow but the right call was made according to how that rule was in place during the 2017 season.

@marcuslewis7888

4 жыл бұрын

That sack on Brady that created the "Tuck Rule"

@DestroyNations

4 жыл бұрын

@@marcuslewis7888 The tuck rule was used before the Patriots vs Oakland game.

The rule that "you must survive the ground" only applies if he didnt make a "football move" a knee in the NFL is said to count as 2 feet. He then made the football move or play by extending as his knee hit the ground. The ball then crossed the plane and anything that happens after the play is irrelevant. Learn football bud.

@7lair724

2 жыл бұрын

By rule, since he was “going to the ground” any “football move” he makes is irrelevant, and the ball has to survive the ground. LEarN foOtBaLl bUd!

@kylerocha9286

Жыл бұрын

Extending a knee is not a football move 😂

@__sm1441

Жыл бұрын

That rule was introduced after this season tho so all of what you said is completely irrelevant 🤣🤣🤣 Learn football bud

@Dept246

Жыл бұрын

The football touched the ground and James left hand moves. No catch

@ScorpionXXXVII

Жыл бұрын

@kyle rocha that wasn't a rule yet anyway, so it doesn't matter...but the "football move" would be him pulling the ball in and then extending it.

It's clearly a catch, he caught it with the laces down when the QB threw the ball from inside the 20 yard line in the 2nd half, the receiver only has to make a football move if there are 3 defenders within 5 yards, unless the defense is wearing white jerseys then he has to maintain control for 5 seconds if it is the 3rd Sunday of the month. Buth then again that rule only applies if it is a daytime game or the weather is 70 degrees. However, if the receiver catches it outside the end zone he has to line up on the QB's throwing arm side, or else he has to take 3 steps and not be touched by a defender wearing an even-number jersey, unless the game is broadcast by NBC, then he only has to turn 180 degrees or less. Except then it has to happen in a state that voted Democrat, unless the receiver is wearing sleeves AND the stadium is at least 1 mile away from a body of water, otherwise it's no catch. Don't you people watch football? It's that simple!!!

@MacBobby1408

3 жыл бұрын

This is 2 years old. And without a doubt the most underrated comment ever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏

@iangalt6899

3 жыл бұрын

You, sir, are a genious. And made my childhood.

@iangalt6899

3 жыл бұрын

@Sprite Cranberry I feel like you're missing the point of this comment...

@micah2426

3 жыл бұрын

@Sprite Cranberry if you brake the plain it is a td that is why they changed the rules because of this play

@richardgregory3644

3 жыл бұрын

Look it wasn't a catch the same way Dez wasn't a catch is it right? I believe Dez and James were both catches but by the NFL rule its not a catch

how on earth do you not already have a second play called if the play ends inbounds? They had 10 freaking minutes during that repla to go over this.

@runcaz7802

6 жыл бұрын

Chris, exactly! It was like a few free timeouts back to back. If that was Belechik he would have had several plays ready to go JUST IN CASE THE TD WAS OVERTURNED.

@DoctorX101

5 жыл бұрын

Because Tomlin is a whiny idiot.

@bradleybrown8399

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Crowninshield that's the stillers for ya.

@Amb252

4 жыл бұрын

The game was over that was a touchdown we got cheated

@jazzman1904

4 жыл бұрын

The pick ended the game. Could have tied it with a field goal had it just been an incomplete pass.

Im an eagles fan, but i like the rule. It differentiate a runner from a catcher. If u r a runner do whatever u want with ball, u can slam it to the ground or break the plane. But if you are a receiver and catching the ball, secure the damn ball. Simple.

@snapbaach

6 жыл бұрын

Fwirs easy for you too say you ignorant fool

@chrgav1286

6 жыл бұрын

JuJu Smith-Schuster You’re the ignorant fool here. Learn the rule of the sports that you watch.

@kameronrichardson4339

6 жыл бұрын

Chr Gav it only became a rule in 2010, that's a catch

@chrgav1286

6 жыл бұрын

Kameron Richardson So since it became a rule in 2011 wouldn’t that make it not a catch?

@kameronrichardson4339

6 жыл бұрын

Chr Gav rules don't make something right or wrong. If they made a rule tomorrow that every catch had to be with two hands or it wasn't considered possession wouldn't you still call a one handed catch a catch?

James made the catch virtually parallel to the goal line. He then made a "football move" and turned to break the plane. Touchdown.Putting it mildly, the Steelers got shafted.

@jonathanritchie6880

2 жыл бұрын

He really didn’t make a move he caught the ball as he was falling to the ground and the ball rolled as he pressed the ball when he came down. In the old days they call it trapping the ball but it doesn’t work as good as it used to because of instant reply.

@Dept246

Жыл бұрын

It didn’t survive when he hit the ground. His left hand moved and the football touched the ground trapped by his body and right hand. No catch and I’m a Patriots fan.

@askellad9416

Жыл бұрын

@@Dept246 bandwagon

@jbrhel

Жыл бұрын

@@Dept246 I'm a Giants fan second and a football fan first. James caught the ball, went to the ground and broke the plane.

@piccilo72

Жыл бұрын

@@Dept246 He had already caught the ball by rule prior to crossing the goal line. He had both feet touch the ground, then landed on his knee while pulling the ball into his chest. The catch occurs once his knee is down and the ball is secured. He then reaches the ball out over the goal line prior to losing possession.

I would have loved a Steelers eagles super bowl. Battle of pa teams.

@coreyrowe2598

4 жыл бұрын

2004 was probably the best chance for that matchup to happen in the sb. Both teams had great seasons and hosted their respective title games. The Eagles won the early game vs Atlanta but Tom Brady did what Tom Brady always does in big games against the Steelers. The patriots vs eagles super bowl we got was pretty solid but seeing the 15-1 Steelers battle the 13-3 Eagles with a Super Bowl title and PA bragging rights on the line would've been awesome. 2008 was a similar deal where both PA teams played in their conference title game, but it just ended up being a reversal of 2004 with the steelers winning and the eagles losing.

@christianhilbert1446

4 жыл бұрын

We still woulda smacked the Steelers 🦅🖤🖤🖤🖤

@willlynch1271

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Hilbert no u wouldn’t have u wouldn’t have been able to stop our offense

@coreyrowe2598

4 жыл бұрын

@@willlynch1271 The Steelers defense still would've lost it for them, they let Blake Bortles hang 45 on them in a playoff game lol.

@leticiadiaz5241

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Hilbert who has 1 super bowl

Per the rule, this pass is 100% incomplete. There is no justification for arguing against the call that was ultimately made. If you want to talk about the rule itself, fine, but stop complaining about the call. We've seen it several times before.

@Jakieboy808

6 жыл бұрын

Per that same rule, Brandin Cooks didn't catch the game winner against the Houston Texans.

@GiantLD

6 жыл бұрын

Jakieboy808 not really

@Jakieboy808

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/oZh9uMOkp6Xegc4.html&lc=z23wdr1hlmmsgdotiacdp4355jyiiugdldgpneot2wxw03c010c.1513796331174885 PAUSE at 0:33.. looks like the ball is not being controlled and is out of the cradle lol

@MeasuredFlat

6 жыл бұрын

Nolan, you are correct.

@OkayNiceOne

6 жыл бұрын

Per the rule, the pass was 100% complete. Possession was established with the knee, and a football play was made when he consciously decided to extend the ball over the plane. Clearly it was a touchdown. Nice try, though.

Loved brady screaming at steelers fans after the game tho XD

@Idktyler

6 жыл бұрын

That was great 😂😂😂

@sbdxaric

6 жыл бұрын

Hilarious “HOW ABOUT THAT? LETS GO” dancing on their graves

@tombradyshadycheatsquadspy5590

6 жыл бұрын

Vid Maddness they should’ve put the part where I screamed “I cheated”

@VidGaming

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but then he would be lying :P

@jnyfumare

6 жыл бұрын

Only to choke against a back up QB in the BIG GAME. LOL

If that’s called a catch, we’re 1st in the conference, and probably winning the Super Bowl, for Shazier.

@Shabla7

Жыл бұрын

For Shazier!

@mattmiller7049

8 ай бұрын

Wrong they just choke against Tennessee instead of Jacksonville. And if they do beat Tennessee, Tom Brady and the Patriots clap them in the Championship Game for the 4th time

And so the realm of bad officiating begins...

@SylveonMujigaeOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Change your profile picture!!

I only watch NBA but I'm amazed at the quality of these videos. Even for someone who doesn't watch the NFL I was very entertained by this

@Acepilot12345

6 жыл бұрын

Dog nba needs to do something like this...

@mickfunny4185

6 жыл бұрын

Dog who’s your team, Cavs?

@Dog3D

6 жыл бұрын

Mick Funny Cavs and Lakers. I know it's weird but I like to have an underdog team to go with my strong team to root for

@adammynarski7184

6 жыл бұрын

Why even watch the NBA though? Little to no parity.

@veezythebot6195

5 жыл бұрын

@@adammynarski7184 u smokin

He had his hand under the ball. Even if it wobbled, it’s a catch

@breiter4697

5 жыл бұрын

Even tho its late for me to say thus but even tho it wobbled, it doesnt mean he lost control. His hand was under the ball and his hands were holding on to the ball and it was tucked in his chest. That's a touchdown.

him reaching for the end zone is considered a football move. he completed the catch

@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and he's also considered a runner not a receiver when that takes place

@danrobertson2799

11 ай бұрын

You’re using the new catch rules that we’re established in 2018 to judge a catch that took place in 2017. This play was a significant reason for the rule change. Under the 2017 rules, this was not a catch.

@MMMHOTCHEEZE

11 ай бұрын

@@danrobertson2799 Except if you actually read the rules and have basic knowledge of the English language, it was. Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete. That was the old "survive the ground" part of the catch rule. The problem is that they did not define what initial contact with the ground is. Going by the words initial and contact, one would assume that means the first contact with the ground by any part of the body that would rule a runner down by contact (knee, elbow, shin, etc). There is no wording that would imply a player would have to survive going to the ground anyway, just that they need to have control of the ball after their initial contact with the ground. Jesse James initial contact with the ground as it pertains to that assumption is his knee and he controls the ball after his knee hits the ground. Everything else is irrelevant, it should have been a catch.

Its like the dez bryant catch all over again

@bigskycuber2980

6 жыл бұрын

Dapiggy14 But Dez's catch was a catch. Jesse James' wasn't.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

@@bigskycuber2980 Nah Dez left his feet too, same rules apply. You have to hold the ball all the way through the catch. Dez didn't neither did James

@tommywiseau5511

5 жыл бұрын

Dude roger goodell ruined this league. A catch should be the ball doesn’t hit the ground, that’s it.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

@@tommywiseau5511 but the ball did hit the ground

@terryrojas6582

4 жыл бұрын

difference was that was the playoffs and this was regular season and steelers still had hope to win

This one looks identical to the Ertz catch in the SB 52. How was that a catch and not this one?

@goatcheese4me

6 жыл бұрын

The two or three feet that Ertz ran before extending. That made him a runner. James caught it and extended it all in the same motion (though to be fair, I hate the rule and hope it changes).

@Phil_529

3 жыл бұрын

@@goatcheese4me Look at that! It changed because it's bullshit.

@williamkanejr3233

3 жыл бұрын

It was NOTHING like Ertz. Ertz took about five steps. Jesse James went from the air to the ground.

@Harpmantheman

3 жыл бұрын

And the dez catch

@adrianpena800

2 жыл бұрын

@@Harpmantheman the dez catchy was the same rule, which is why it was ruled incomplete

Tomlin knows that rule he's in the rule committee. that's why he didn't want to talk about it.

@grinningchicken

Ай бұрын

Belichick Ficher Lewis and Tomlin were defensive coaches and they insisted on the dumb rule.

0:20 - That moment between Brady and Cooks. Cooks recognize real when he sees it.

Bruh he literally caught the ball😭ITS RIGHT THERE ON CAMERA HE CAUGHT IT😭😭

Dez made the catch because he did a football move. James didn't since he fell to the ground (not a football move, he needs to maintain full control all the way to the ground since he wasn't a runner.) If James became a runner it would've been a touchdown but he's still a receiver so he needs to maintain full control all the way to the ground.

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

See that’s where you’re wrong Jesse tucks the ball and reaches out that is a football move he also lunges another one and when he caught the ball he turned upfield which is another football move the only thing that’s different about this play than the one w dez if dez didn’t reach he actually wouldn’t have survived the ground cuz the rule states that the receiver has to survive the INITIAL contact with the ground which is jesses knee and he keeps possession after that initial contact the whole notion that you have to have possession after you have been bounced 4 times on the ground is wrong you just have to control the ball through the INITIAL contact with the ground and we can all clearly see he does knee touches then does a football move clear as day for me

What the referee was saying in his head: "After reviewing the play Bill Belichick ruled it an incomplete pass."

That end though "Hey! how about that??? lets goo" Lmao!!!

@rainprince7099

6 жыл бұрын

lol come on Brady don't show off too much maybe just a little

Tomlin is a great coach and his OC let him down. He knew the situation, they needed to have a play ready at the end. And the OC presumes to call the worst play ever and the ball is picked.... they only needed a fg.

@jamesh2711

Жыл бұрын

Tomlin should've clocked it and kicked the FG to take it to OT. Too risky to go for the win in that situation. That was on Tomlin, not the OC.

@What-uf1zj

Жыл бұрын

Nah , Tomlin had 5 minutes to go over every possibility with Ben & Haley before decision was reversed. He Plays checkers not chess

This man Alberto Riverson said roethlisberger “completes the pass to games”, it should of been a td, he said the ball touched the ground but I don’t see it

Not sure why people think this was remotely a catch. I'm not a fan of either team, so no bias here. But he was falling as he caught the ball, hit the turf and ball came loose. Never established himself as a runner at all and simply didn't complete the catch. So just because he crossed the line, that doesn't matter since he wasn't an established runner. This is completely different than the Ertz Super Bowl catch. Ertz took three full steps and dove.

@Xyamer127

10 ай бұрын

Couldn't have said it better my self brother.

@Ken-vm6bu

7 ай бұрын

But the Steelers fans are so used to getting every call their way, they simply can’t fathom one going against them

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

@@Ken-vm6bulmao you just admitted it was the wrong call

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

All 3 of you need to read the rule book cuz the rule states you have to survive your INITIAL CONTACT with the ground which is jesses knee and he still has control of the ball after his knee touches not to mention he makes 3 separate football moves turning him into a runner I think you might be blind

Incomplete by rule, but that should've been a catch. Fix the damn rule please

@KamalaLovingMan

6 жыл бұрын

Great comment. Might I ask how they should fix it

@chrgav1286

6 жыл бұрын

How do you fix a rule that determines that if it’s a catch or not? Plain as simple, maintain possession through whole process when you’re a catcher. It’s like you saying in a toe tapping catch all you need is to toe tap and not maintain possession when you go out of bounds.

@Jakieboy808

6 жыл бұрын

Like Brandin Cooks?

@CGagnon5

6 жыл бұрын

fix the rule how? How would you change the rule to make this a catch? Allow players to catch off the ground?

@rich63113

6 жыл бұрын

Anywhere on the field, if you catch the ball while going to the ground, you need to control it through contact with the ground. The endzone doesn't make touching the ball a catch.

tuck and extend .. I honestly couldn't tell you what a catch is anymore.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

I could. The rule is pretty clear. "if you leave your feet to go get the ball, you have to control it all the way through the landing to be awarded possession and permitted to score" See? Not that complicated. In fact it's the polar opposite of "complicated." The rule is so simple that it's rigid and doesn't give referees any leeway on close plays. Not so much this one but I think the enforcement was rigid with the Calvin Johnson catch. I think that should have counted but he let go of the ball too soon under the technialities of the rules, nothing the refs can do about this. This and the Dez play are exactly why the rule exists as written. In all 3 cases everyone either knew or should have known what the rule was from the outset. Homer fans either don't or, more usually, won't fully understand it when the actual rule doesn't benefit their team.

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

@@hagamapamaand a tuck and extension is considered a football move and a football move is clear established possession not only that but so is turning upfield with the ball

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

@@hagamapamaand no you don’t know the rule cuz the rule states you must survive INITIAL contact with the ground and where was Jesse’s initial contact his knee and he completely controls the ball after his knee touches initial contact only refers to first point of contact if he maintains possession after his body first touches the ground it’s a catch which he does cuz his knee hits and still has the ball ultimately completing the catch read the rule book dawg maybe you’ll learn something

@hagamapama

5 ай бұрын

@@lukegentry5131 That's never been how the rule worked and you tricking yourself into thinking that because it's convenient for you doesn't change this.

@lukegentry5131

5 ай бұрын

@@hagamapama lmao it’s online but okay lmao just think you know everything instead of having an oz of humility your ego takes over and only cares abt winning and argument by only putting down my argument by making me seem ignorant when you don’t know me at all AHHHAAHH

This is when I stopped watching football forever,baca use I knew it was fixed.

I can't even watch this makes me so mad

3:26 “as we can see here, Roethlisberger completes the pass...” yikes

@haydenhazelrig4550

5 жыл бұрын

NFL VP: Completed pass Also VP: Not a catch

@Nate-oh5oc

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly

As Steelers fan, I had always thought the Tebow OT pass would've been the all-time play I would never be able to live down, but this if not 1st is a close 2nd. Just think of the implications, if we get this win (which we should've) we have the #1 seed and don't face Jacksonville in our 1st post-season match-up, granted it was still possible we could've lost to Tennessee but I doubt it, so we get the win there and after beating Brady earlier in the regular I think we have the confidence, coupled with home-field advantage to pull out another win and make it to the SB. But unfortunately, I'll never get the chance to know.

@S00PASTA

Жыл бұрын

well if it makes you feel better, the patriots went to the superbowl and had 41 points dropped on thier heads by a red hot eagles team. I doubt the steelers or any of the other AFC teams would have done much better.

@sreeff4816

4 ай бұрын

@@S00PASTA Winning the conference championship and making it to the Super Bowl is still an achievement. If Ben Roethlisberger would have made it to 4 Super Bowls, no doubt in my mind less people would be saying he's not top 10 QB of all time right now!

Notice how when the Patriots head coach got asked about it he had nothing to say. Smh

@wannahangout4269

4 жыл бұрын

James Darr what was he supposed to say🤦‍♂️

@jamesdarr2293

4 жыл бұрын

@@wannahangout4269 Something about the decision.

@TheSSUltimateGoku

4 жыл бұрын

James Darr Try putting yourself into a head-coaching shoes where a decision that wasn’t the right decision benefited your football team you’re going to tell me you’re going to actually talk about it and spill sour grapes over a call going your way that shouldn’t have? No coach will do that. When they get the benefit of the call.

@jamesdarr2293

4 жыл бұрын

Own up

@coreyrowe2598

4 жыл бұрын

Belchick always does that with the media, he usually gives them very little when they ask him questions.

Until the day I die that will be considered the most robbed game ever

@LiLLaLa707

Жыл бұрын

I think Woodson may disagree but it is a toss up in my opinion

@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995

Жыл бұрын

I Think Dez Bryant would disagree

What i learn from other similar "catch" turn incomplete scenario: if you catch the ball in the end zone, or catch it around 1/2 yard line and stretching for TD - make sure the ball stick in your hand, the ball don't touch the ground, and most important: THE BALL DO NOT MOVE AT ALL

If you think about it, Tony Corrente (The head ref who made this call) was the same ref who made the Jets touchback call in week 6 of 2017. Weird.

@bendilo.20

4 жыл бұрын

They love the patriots

This year its a catch, and guess what the steelers beat the Patriots like they should have won last year

It was a catch!!

I'm a Cowboys fan who went through this once before... THAT WAS A CATCH!

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

USING ALL CAPS MAKES ME RIGHT!

@Xyamer127

10 ай бұрын

Dez did a football move, James did not.

@dionr1168

10 ай бұрын

@@Xyamer127 Stretching the pigskin toward or across the goal line is a football move.

The rules for establishing possession of a catch are pretty clear, regardless of where in bounds you are.

This is yet another reason why we never got an all-Pennsylvania Super Bowl

Brady’s excited! Now he gets to go home and make out with his son.

@cam42704

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew Weiss hold this L

@ppumpkin3282

4 жыл бұрын

Well Andrew, we see what you're preoccupied with.

@webbofmusic

4 жыл бұрын

Salt salt salt

@speedmasters

4 жыл бұрын

You’re actually funny

Man the rule says if they’re going to the ground they must survive initial contact, his initial contact is his knee hitting the ground, at that point he had control of the ball. He then extends his arms into and across the goal line. At that point his elbow makes contact with the ground and he still has it. At that point the play should be over TD

@thegoat7923

6 жыл бұрын

Ed Young hmm where should I start. Ok so first he wasn't touched by a patriot at that point. Next, was he an established runner at any point? @ me with the time.... No? Ok. Third, "a football move" has been out for 10 years and nobody really complained about it until situations like these. If this was in the middle of the field nobody would care because it would be obvious he dropped the ball. That doesn't change even if he crossed the plane because in the motion, he ultimately did lose the ball before establishing himself as a runner. Therefore when you are not a runner and drop the ball, no matter where you are on the field.... Its an incomplete. And anyways its not like it was 4th and goal or anything... They had plenty of time. Can't believe there is even the tiniest bit of controversy over this... If people knew the rules of the game they wouldn't complain about a good call on an existing rule. Case closed.

@jeremiahkneubuhl8894

6 жыл бұрын

TheGoat. Are you dumb go read the rule book he wasn’t a runner which proves my point so he did survive initial contact lmaoo the refs were just being refs lol.

@jeremiahkneubuhl8894

6 жыл бұрын

But at the end of the day the Steelers lost so yeah if any team won it was the zebras lol

@edyoung4450

6 жыл бұрын

The Goat I read the rule, “if a player is going to the ground they must maintain possession through initial contact” I never said anything about him being touched or making a football play. What im saying is he caught the ball and had it in possession through his first and second points of contact with the ground. The terminology that the refs used of “surviving the ground” isn’t even in the rules. His initial contact was his knee hitting the ground, at that point its clear he had possession of the ball, then he extends over the goal line and when his elbow contacts the ground he still has the ball. According to the terminology used in the rule this play is a touchdown

@leos1039

6 жыл бұрын

he has to have FULL CONTROL OF THE BALL ........ THE WHOLE TIME.... clearly he didnt

Gotta love it when the NFL exposes themselves on their own KZread channels 😂😂😂

Just because the ball moved didnt mean that it didn’t survive, he still had possession. And the ball CAN graze the grass as long as he has possession. I hate the Steelers but more than anything i HATE bad calls like this

@Xyamer127

10 ай бұрын

The ball moving is exactly what "didn't survive the grounding" means.

@DcardenasPodcast

10 ай бұрын

The ball can move thou and touch the ground if u maintain possession. All that is irrelevant because since his knee went down he was a runner and crossing the plane was a TD

I think the call should've standed, because I think the refs were rooting for the Patriots

3 years ago and still the most pissed I have ever been over a football game. At least this years lookin bright for us

@Mithos103

Жыл бұрын

Oof

Dez and Jesse caught it

@Xyamer127

10 ай бұрын

Dez made a football move and James didn't

That was the right call by the rules then, it would be a TD today because that lunge is considered a football move. 2 feet, football move, break the plane, TD.

@DancyHercules3

Жыл бұрын

But the ball still clearly popped out and touched the ground. Just look at the recent Hunter Henry call, and his was way less obvious than this. This was a good call

I never noticed this until watching this video. But at 3:27 Al Riveron says "He completes the pass to James" doesn't a completed pass mean a reception/catch? man the NFL catch rule was terrible before they change it.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

Nope. And technically it was not a completion. It just sort of looked like one.

One of the shittiest calls of all time.

Tired of these Steelers crybabies man. Jesse James himself knew he didn't catch that ball and he didn't show no ounce of protest when it overturned. So there U GO!!! That wasn't a catch. Not going to even mention tht pick play that freed up JuJu.

@Mexxicanntaco

6 жыл бұрын

BeastMode 21 I mean every patriot player believed it was a td, you didn’t see a single player argue that it wasn’t. So that kinda contradicts what you said

@beastmode218

6 жыл бұрын

Klick Nine No it doesn't. Those defenders aren't the ones with the ball in their hands for trying to get the win. Jesse James dropped it enough said

@manavpankhania2546

6 жыл бұрын

Tired of these pats bandwagons like he totally wasn't disappointed when it was an "incomplete catch"

@thegoat7923

6 жыл бұрын

blueberry deal3r bandwagons? How do you not know he's a real pats fan?

As soon as the ball crosses the goal line it’s a touchdown. He had possession as soon as he initially crossed the goal line. Touchdown. Simple.

@debitcard1

9 ай бұрын

Listen to 3:26 the guys says that by rule he needs to survive the ground and he doesn’t so it’s not a touchdown

@ExceptionalMussy

9 ай бұрын

@@debitcard1 Nope. That doesn’t exist. Just like how if you make contact with the pylon after a catch, as soon as the ball crosses the invisible line, the play is over, and the result is a touchdown. You can’t apply the ground rule because the pylon rule represents that the ball crossing the invisible touchdown line takes priority over any other result afterwards.

wasnt a catch, if he had possesion first and then went down it wuldve just been a fumble and recovered by him, but since he didnt finish the catch and then went down its incomplete. dunno why ppl r making a big deal of it

Jesse James Caught That Ball

The announcer was right, the ball moved in his hands. It was a touchdown. It has been looked at and looked at and the consensus is that he was robbed. The whole world minus patriots fans agree.

@hagamapama

5 жыл бұрын

The heck are you talking about. The ball moved in his hands means the ground knocked it loose. Gotta have possession before you can score a touchdown dude. By rule James never possessed the ball.

@wexfordbuccos_7161

4 жыл бұрын

I was at this game, even Patriots fans were acknowledging that it was a terrible call and that it was wrong.

@tylerhayes4584

3 жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama so glad u guys lost the the eagles

@carryeveryday910

2 жыл бұрын

Even patriot fans I know thought he was robbed lol.

@jameysummers1577

Жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama No, he always had possession. He never lost possession.

Hopefully if they play each other in the playoffs, the better team will win this time

@fakeandwombo337

6 жыл бұрын

TeletubbySquad 21 sorry? Are you saying that the pats will again in the playoffs? :D

@zyartist4646

6 жыл бұрын

Clks honestly they probly will. All I’m sayin is I think the Steelers played better in this game. They’ll probly loose because the pats always seem to beat em tho. 😕

@fakeandwombo337

6 жыл бұрын

TeletubbySquad 21 hehe steelers is would probrally be the best in afc if the pats wasnt there, i dont now why but they games just dont seen to hit against the patriots

@gs325jcbd

6 жыл бұрын

TeletubbySquad 21 both are trash....EAGLES

@leos1039

6 жыл бұрын

don't jynx us now... :)

5 words; Jesse James caught that ball.

@joshauroberts7711

4 жыл бұрын

Bass Avalanche no

@yaboiwillio1047

3 жыл бұрын

Joshau Roberts yess

@mikecrowley3491

5 ай бұрын

No he didn’t

If AB doesn't leave the game in the 1st quarter Steelers win by 10

it was a catch. the ball hit the ground AFTER it crossed the plane. Therefore, it is a touchdown.

@Baseballbat95

6 жыл бұрын

wrong. It was never a catch, so it doesnt matter if it crossed the plane

@Some0neSomewhere

6 жыл бұрын

Except that's not the way the rule works in the end zone. He must have possession TO THE GROUND.

@ashhnathan

6 жыл бұрын

Wrong. The goal line only counts if the player is a runner, as he was still in the act of completing the catch he cannnot be a runner therefore the goal line is incomplete. Its the same as throwing a pass into the endzone, catching it and then losing it as you land, no different.

@abduallah5755

6 жыл бұрын

MLKKK lmaoooo keep trolling these fools

@abduallah5755

6 жыл бұрын

Ash Nathan exactly these fools don't understand he was still coming down with the catch. Regardless of reaching for the goal line HE WAS STILL COMING DOWN FROM THE CATCH. Gotta survive the ground. I don't have a problem with the rule

It's NOT controversial. It was clearly a catch, clearly a TD. The Pats had the refs in their back pocket and everyone knows it. The NFL apologized to The Steelers the very next day for getting it wrong. But the Pats went to the Super Bowl again under suspicious circumstances. Question: How does the league make up for such a blatant cheat in such an important game? Answer: It doesn't

People who insist on "It's a touch down because the ball broke the line" need to read the rule book. People are confusing a runner with full control of the ball vs a receiver who's in the process of making a catch. When a runner, who has control of the ball breaks the goal plane with the ball, the play is dead as it is a TD. When a RECEIVER is in the process of making a catch the play is NOT DEAD until he controls it to the ground. Whether he crosses the line or not means nothing UNTIL it's deemed he has control of the ball. James catches the ball and in less than a second, turns, falls to a knee, stretches, and hits the ground with the ball causing it to pop loose. The ball did not "survive the ground" and that's that. It's not really hard to see unless you're biased against or for one of the teams. If you don't like the rule, that's fine, most people don't (even Pats fans hate it since it was called on them earlier in the year.) It's a horrible rule which, no doubt, will be changed. If I was a Pitt fan, I'd be more angry at the time management and play call after that, though. Ben should have thrown that away and gone for OT.

@jemiller226

6 жыл бұрын

You don't know the rule, so why are you telling everyone else what they should think? Here it is: "If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground." Key phrase is "his initial contact with the ground", which would be his knee, not his hand. The phrase "survive the ground" is nowhere in the rule and is 100% an after the fact interpretation of what is written. Maybe it's what the competition committee intended the rule to say, but it's not what the rule actually says.

Are we going to ignore the atrocity that was that last play

@theWilburM

9 ай бұрын

An arguably worse officiating call, if that’s possible. The defender grabbed the back of Eli Rogers’s jersey and used it to slingshot past for the pick… directly in front of the official… no call.

@kevonsidek9737

8 ай бұрын

@@theWilburMthat was good defense stop crying

September 2022, and this clip still makes me mad, he caught that damn ball

Ok I’m sorry but even if his hand moved a bit he still controlled the ball all the way

Should of been a PI that last play that dude clearly pushed him down before the ball got there

@esdawt6900

6 жыл бұрын

They were both lunging.

Pats fan here. Somehow never seen this before (or had and forgotten about it), I'm so angry for the Steelers. That is a catch surely? Even if not quite a TD, the knee comes down well before the ball hits the ground. Yes I'm here due to HH's overturned TD last night, I'm pissed about that too. But this one is worse.

That no catch call is probably the easiest call in the history of the league. ball can't touch the ground. it's that simple

@connort6561

6 жыл бұрын

CGagnon5 but its a dumb rule

@mikepinkham2846

5 жыл бұрын

Well the ball can come into contact with the ground turning a catch. But you have to maintain control . he clearly did not

@davidmarshall5323

4 жыл бұрын

Connor T, no it’s not-it prevents you just falling on the ball and saying that it’s a catch. If the ball touchhes the ground and you don’t maintain control it’s not a catch

@restorenperformcoaching5983

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidmarshall5323 that's clearly not the case. He catches it in two hands and makes a move for the endzone. Thus was not a diving catch, it was a catch and a dive

Well in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different way and without fighting and by trying to make it clear, and by considering each and every one's opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.

so we aren't going to talk about how hilarious bill belichecks thoughts on the catch were? 3:38

pretty clear that it was incomplete and hit the ground

@slave2tyranny

6 жыл бұрын

You are an idiot! 99% of the world says different! You are a bandwagon rider.

@williamhanley7031

6 жыл бұрын

MLKKK pretty clear patriots win no matter what... Why you think it took so much time to overturn..... The big wigs had there hands in it..... What else are Steelers fans suppose to think?????? Touchdown for sure announcer even said. Dammit

@Baseballbat95

6 жыл бұрын

many calls have gone against the pats. quit with the excuses. The ball clearly hit the ground, you lost

@williamhendriks1982

6 жыл бұрын

MLKKK yeah sure, just dont act like the refs always favor the pats

@Baseballbat95

6 жыл бұрын

they dont

TD

Why am I watching this? This one was a heartbreaker.

You don't want to think bad about Patriots. Then you see this.

ROBBED

How do people think this is a catch the ball clearly moves out of is hands and touches the ground this isn't even like the Calvin Johnson play Steelers fans must just be salty that somthing didn't go their way for once

@motymevol5898

6 жыл бұрын

SChamberlain1978 Omfg the audacity. Smh 😂😂😂

@evanwalker1514

6 жыл бұрын

SChamberlain1978 not if he's coming to the ground while crossing the goal plain but you seem to know your stuff

@motymevol5898

6 жыл бұрын

Association of Free People Breaking the plane only applies if you're a runner cos it means you already 'caught' the ball. When you're a receiver hitting the ground, complete the catch first which includes surviving impact with the ground before anything else applies.

@brycebrooks8484

6 жыл бұрын

SChamberlain1978 no, the play is dead when the ball breaks the plane only if the player is ruled as a runner. Jesse was going to the ground when catching it, therefore he isnt a runner and must complete the entire process of the catch(i.e, survive the ground).

@pb4897

6 жыл бұрын

Bryce Brooks Honestly? I still don't know why this is so hard for people to understand this rule. The rule is different for runners and receivers. The call was right but the rule is a sucky one. But that didn't change the fact that it is the rule.

Im not a fan of either team, but i know that everyones opinion on this ruling is based entirely on perspective. If ANYONES team lost a big game because of the petty specifics in this exact scenario, theyd want this rule changed yesterday

@jemiller226

6 жыл бұрын

I'd be less upset if the rule was called as it's written instead of what everyone assumes the rule says.

As a patriots fan I thought it was a TD... correct me if I’m wrong but for it to be a TD the football just needs to pass the plane at the goal line right?

@jesusbarraza9683

4 жыл бұрын

only if you are a runner or a receiver converted into one.

That's A Catch. No Doubt. Terrible Call To Overturn This.

I love tommy yelling at the crowd that was great 😂

@jameysummers1577

Жыл бұрын

While everyone boos him. yeah, that sums up his career.

@TheOptiima

Жыл бұрын

@@jameysummers1577 Yup exactly. Everybody hating and he still winning 😂

Tomlin said dont clock it, like why??? You can give yourself another play man🤦‍♂️

Once the ball crosses the plain…doesn’t matter. This was the 2nd worst call in NFL history whims The Tuck Rule

Big ben always throwing someone under the bus lmao.

@Amb252

4 жыл бұрын

That's a touchdown

Everybody saying he didnt catch it but in the rules If u have ur knee down thats 2 feet Plus he made a football move by pulling the ball to his chest and he extended to the goal line so its a td, but its over now😢🏈

@morningmadera

6 жыл бұрын

you have no idea what the rules are ... read some more ... you don't even know what a football move is

@leos1039

6 жыл бұрын

but lost control of the ball.. he clearly twisted it or whatever you want to call it when he made contact with the ground

@ThomasNichols3

6 жыл бұрын

leo s it doesnt matter as long if the ball crosses the plain

@ThomasNichols3

6 жыл бұрын

Morning Madera The "didnt survive the ground" rule doesnt matter cuz he crossed the plain and he had his knee down which is practically 2 feet

@morningmadera

6 жыл бұрын

the knee down and crossing the plain only applies to runners ... he wasn't a runner, he had to *complete the catch* first, which he didn't ... learn the rules and the difference between a runner and a receiver and then come back to us.

That rule is actually irrelevant because he was never initially in the end zone that rule would only apply if he land outside the end zone or was already in the end zone once you break the plain anything after that is irrelevant lol

I have not ever heard that rules before are it didn't survive the ground

National fixed league

it was a catch no matter what fan it is

Tom Brady’s high voice scares me

Im not a steelers fan, but im still pissed this was not ruled a catch. Possession, turns upfield, makes a football move to cross the goal line.

@mikepinkham2846

5 жыл бұрын

The football move part of the rule was taking out some years ago. And just put back in because if this play.

This kind of stuff is why ratings are down

@CurtJ007

6 жыл бұрын

Brian King except this was the highest rated game all season sooooo...

@brianking3567

6 жыл бұрын

I meant dumb calls like that. Not the game as a whole.

@thisaintitfam5300

6 жыл бұрын

Brian King no it’s because the pats win countless times once brady retires or they gets some better refs than more people will watch also could say its low because of retirements like manning,smith and lewis

@brianking3567

6 жыл бұрын

2k God101 I agree. It gets boring watching the same team in the AFC championship every year. But these rules are why its called the no fun league.

@thisaintitfam5300

6 жыл бұрын

Brian King once brady and ben roethlisberger retire the league will be wide open thats saying if bill belicheck leaves aswell

Most blatant rigging in sports history. It’s been years and no one can explain it

What goes around, comes around. Today the patriots took their medicine. The rules of reception are a bit too gray imo.

How is this incomplete, but Super Bowl 51 winning touchdown a touchdown with James white? Someone please reply back

@dragoncarnage1210

4 жыл бұрын

This is incomplete because a reciever must maintain possession of the ball if they have not progressed forward using their feet or hands technically and is ineligible to be considered a runner. They must survive contact with the ground which he clearly did not as he lost control when the ball hit the ground. The james white was a toss to the RB so he was already a runner as he did not catch a forward pass. James white then broke the plane of the endzone and scored.

one of the many ridiculous calls Steelers fans have endured when playing Brady, not unlike current Superbowl where not a single penalty was called on the Bucs 1st half vs. 8 against Chiefs. Brady's interception was called back b/c of away from ball/play contact in the end zone. sick of it. the NFL created the greatest QB of all time by overturning his errors, other teams TDs, and good defensive plays. i have watched it for a DECADE...and now believe the NFL is just rigged. whoever they decide will win wins. he's caught cheating amid DEFLATE-GATE and nothing happens but for sitting out a few games - he's never asked about it in interviews and it is swept away. am so over it. can't even come near his receivers while their defenses bury the opposing teams and get no penalties. what a mockery his pact with the devil/wife's witchcraft/NFL creation have made of the game.

Amazing that no one, including Riveron, talks about the conclusive evidence (in order for replay to overturn) that James lost control of the ball. Riveron merely points out that the tip of the ball hits the ground - but, his right hand is under it holding the ball. Part of the ball is allowed to touch the ground if you have possession - doesn't having a hand under the ball with the other hand both gripping it indicate not losing control?!? Straight from the NFL rulebook, Rule 15, Section 2, Article 3: "A decision will be reversed only when there is clear and obvious visual evidence available that warrants the change." No one can say there is "clear and obvious" evidence that James didn't maintain control, because of his hand under the ball. The replays are definitely NOT clear, thus the call shouldn't have been overturned.

@rich63113

6 жыл бұрын

The left hand isn't holding it though - it comes off, and ends up near his facemask, and the ball spins a full 90 degrees (watch the laces). The evidence is clear he didn't maintain control

@darchon5

6 жыл бұрын

As his left hand is coming off, his right goes under the ball - arguably goes under before the left comes off. Bottom line is that there isn't a great camera angle or frame that definitely shows loss of control during the transfer. The ball moving/spinning is not enough to constitute loss of control. The evidence isn't clear that control is lost. And if it isn't lost, then the ball can move during the process of a catch (NFL Rulebook Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3) AND it can be touching the ground (NFL Rulebook Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 4).

@rich63113

6 жыл бұрын

"As his left hand is coming off, his right goes under the ball" No, it doesn't, it comes alongside the ball - this is clear in all the photos. "The ball moving/spinning is not enough to constitute loss of control." When you only have one hand contacting the ball, because your other hand is bouncing off your facemask, the ball spinning makes "controlling the ball" a physical impossibility. The ball is literally sitting on the ground with him barely touching it, and none of his fingers under it in this shot. cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/gettyimages-894922700.jpg

@darchon5

6 жыл бұрын

3 points of contention: #1. "all the photos" - there are no photos clearly showing his right hand "comes alongside the ball". Yours is the closest to questionable that there is but it doesn't show what you claim - see #3 below. Besides, they're using video replays, not still photos, to evaluate the evidence - and the argument is it shouldn't have been overturned based on their evidence. #2. "only have one hand contacting the ball" - there is no point seen where that's the only thing contacting the ball - or at the very least, what you claim, again, isn't clear; the side and back of his left hand and/or his left arm stays in contact with the ball as his right goes under it. #3. "none of his fingers under it in this shot" - your photo shows 1 finger & 1 thumb on his right hand; the other 3 fingers are not seen and at least a couple could be or are under the ball. So if the ball is sitting on the ground with 1-3 fingers under it & is being braced against his left arm on the other side, the question is, can we definitively say that he lost control? I think we need clearer rules about what constitutes maintaining control vs losing it. Again, the rulebook says that the ball can move and the ball can touch the ground if maintaining control - yet those 2 things themselves can be used to demonstrate losing control. Let's step back from the minutiae: James clearly has possession and control of the ball as he's going to the ground, and the point is that replay didn't provide "clear and obvious" evidence that he loses control when contacting the ground. There have been no discernible arguments that satisfy that criteria, hence it shouldn't have been overturned. I'm not saying you're definitely wrong about losing control as I cannot prove for sure that James didn't lose control. But, the burden of proof is on your side and no evidence is out there that can conclusively proves that he DID lose control. The best argument is your photo, but you cannot simply say no fingers are under it when we cannot see them. In the CJ & Dez catch replays, everything is clearly seen on replay, nothing hidden. Big difference from here.

@darchon5

6 жыл бұрын

I should also point out that, concerning objectivity/bias: if the roles were reversed, Patriots fans would be arguing the exact same points! And, while I could very well argue their points, I'd realize that there would not be enough evidence to back them up. While I have seen disagreement among Patriots fans, and plenty have admitted that they still think it was a catch, I haven't seen or heard any non-Patriots fans claim that there was conclusive evidence to overturn. Additionally, if the refs had initially ruled it incomplete, and let's say it were challengeable (currently it's not), then the refs should not overturn that either because of the same point - no conclusive evidence to overturn.

even the db and safety right by him didn’t argue it. they knew he was in for a td

Such a shame this Steelers team didn't even make it to a Super Bowl. They were stacked with prime AB, Bell and JuJu along with Hayward etc.