Great discussion - hopefully the start of a series.

@FreeSpeechClub

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@neyo231

4 жыл бұрын

monts after this interview theryn became a co-producer in contrapoints channel. it was a turning point in contrapoints contente. I guess in a way they did start a series

@miriamlana833

3 жыл бұрын

@@neyo231 Does Theryn have no new own film content in the internet? Would love to see her, she's so cute. :-)

@kevingregory-evans6285

3 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men no matter what you think about the topic or if you think the speakers are right or wrong you have to admit that they have a very thoughtful and logical approach to the subject.

@abhishekchaudhry80

2 жыл бұрын

There are some canards going on the she is re-incarnation of Gandhi. Now I don't know true is that.

It's weird to see Contra not talking with herself.

@lambbone8302

5 жыл бұрын

peachie05 No she was a woman at this point

@cheryl5667

5 жыл бұрын

himself. Male.

@lambbone8302

5 жыл бұрын

I swear she was a woman at this point though

@cheryl5667

5 жыл бұрын

@@lambbone8302 you can't change your sex and don't start saying sex has nothing to do with being a woman

@cheryl5667

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bryndleson Oh, wow, meaning that women don't have to wear makeup to be women and conform to sexist stereotypes? Sounds like feminism. So then what makes Contra a 'woman'? If I don't wear makeup and high heels does that make me a man?

ContraPoints is doing so much good for the world. We stan.

@LaDyBluE1967

5 жыл бұрын

yes, the queen we deserve

@cottage-core_

4 жыл бұрын

+

@suides4810

4 жыл бұрын

stop the stans

@MrJasonshores364

4 жыл бұрын

We totally stan.

@ashra8281

4 жыл бұрын

@peloquinful she's actually very good looking. And she is incredibly intelligent. You're inability to listen to someone based purely on the fact their trans is nothing short of bigotry. Maybe listen and you'd improve

Is it just me or is it impossible to hear Theryn's voice and not hear the word "burrrrrgeoning"

@JordanSullivanadventures

4 жыл бұрын

saaaaaammmeee

@MissPoplarLeaf

4 жыл бұрын

@@foolforyou69 they're not making fun of Theryn; they're referring to a darkly funny voice-over that she contributed to Contra's video "Gender Critical", where she read a quote written by a TERF describing a trans woman. Theryn did a great job with the voice-over, and placed particular emphasis on the word "BURGEONING", which made the quote so much more ridiculous and funnier than it was originally. Contra also brings back the word "BURGEONING" later in the video, making it one of the more memorable jokes.

@emilylerman9028

3 жыл бұрын

OH MY GOSH I THOUGHT HER VOICE SOUNDED FAMILIAR!!!!!!!!!!

@Matheus_Braz

2 жыл бұрын

Yall forget her saying Luxuriansh

The guy at 59:51 just perfectly encapsulates every philosophy student I've ever interacted with regardless of political leanings. Philosophy folks (undergrads and grads both) spend so much time stuck in black holes of philosophizing it's as if they're ill-equipped to then pull ideas (and perhaps conclusions) out of their texts and use them in real world applications where human beings exist with problems that require objective, tangible solutions. I'm a lit person, so my appreciation for philosophy (and history) runs VERY deep, but philosophy scholars have always tended toward looking at their ideas in a vacuum rather than taking an interdisciplinary approach that would allow them to actually do something with it...at least in my experience.

@dorisblok

4 жыл бұрын

I think the problem with this guy is perfectionism. he doesn't want to cut the knot, because he's afraid details will get lost. I get it, I'm a philosophy student as well. but I think what he needs to do is let the enumeration of details go and dare to ask the question, which will always be imperfect, and which will always make you vulnerable. and I see how his autism might make it an even more difficult thing to do for him. Just wanna add that I don't mean he's a victim or anything like that, not at all! I just think he can do better, and if he doesn't want to, then fine

@drtg101we7

4 жыл бұрын

Good philosophy is always terse and to the point, it also draws from many different disciplines and appeals to every-day experience through examples...this guy is just a moron who loves the sound of his own voice.

@maksim_tak

3 жыл бұрын

“Philosophers have tried to interpret the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.” Quote from our very dear Charles Marx

@dararohan1209

3 жыл бұрын

I knew someone with a degree in philosophy and they were the most rhetorically terrifying individual I ever met. Even more so than my university lecturers (who were experts in their fields).

@olive7831

3 жыл бұрын

Look at the person behind him bored af looking at him lmao

Hearing the unironic use of the phrase “wonderful red-pilled women” took YEARS off my life

@MsClaireEverett

3 жыл бұрын

That dude derailed the fuck out of that discussion

@LarryActionGlass

3 жыл бұрын

@@MsClaireEverett Not much of a discussion since they didn't even let him finish

@estoyakula8525

3 жыл бұрын

Is there any particular reason you have a playlist titled 'anti feminist'? I guess this is a mystery that'll never be solved.

@sealogic4552

3 жыл бұрын

@@LarryActionGlass He himself didn’t seem intent on finishing

@steviewondek

3 жыл бұрын

@@sealogic4552 Yup seen this tact before, basically he's having a screech because he thinks it would be more appropriate to address gender dysphoric individuals, those of trans history like Theryn and Natalie by male pronouns. Blaire White already covered this with Ben Shapiro, some people just want the right to be a dick to some random, or in the age of easy access to information they can't be bothered to enlighten themselves.

Kinda cool that this debate literally did the thing that usually debates can't do, and changed someone's mind.

@MissCracker

4 жыл бұрын

Leftist have always been good at debating it’s just when you try to debate a moron. Welp

Here after the Contrapoints "Shame" video...and this is a little painful.

@konway17

4 жыл бұрын

Why you say that? Am I missing something

@daisywares1

4 жыл бұрын

@@konway17 Have you seen it? It's basically an Ode toTheryn

@konway17

4 жыл бұрын

Colleen Wares I didn’t know it was about her!! How did you find out?

@daisywares1

4 жыл бұрын

@@konway17 Just put two and two together.

@usernametentwo

4 жыл бұрын

Yup :(

zooey deschenel and chloe sevginy discuss politics

CONTRA WAS IN VANCOUVER AND I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT IT

@KrazyKatPosse

5 жыл бұрын

She’s back in Vancouver!

@AlleyArtisticDTW

5 жыл бұрын

W H E R E

@KrazyKatPosse

5 жыл бұрын

AlleyArtisticDTW lol I don’t know, just saw that she’s hanging out with Theryn again

33:14 "I mean the argument would have to be that Ben Shapiro is now more likely to treat trans people better in the future because we said he could treat them badly now".🤭 Damn, that was a great point

@ObjectiveEthics

2 жыл бұрын

32:42 "Ben Shapiro's opinions are irrelevant." Hhhmm.... what human being has any opinions that are 'relevant'? Please stop the hate. ALL LIVES MATTER

Natalie inspires me. I don't agree with every single thing she says (considering myself a rational adult that thinks independently), but she has opened my eyes & informed me on many issues that I would not be nearly as aware & consciencous of without the exposure. I appreciate her efforts. 💖

@cottage-core_

4 жыл бұрын

+

Natalie giving Hunter Schafer's older biological female sister realness.

@apricottree.

4 жыл бұрын

wait what

@femboyrules7594

4 жыл бұрын

Hunter Schafer vibes.

@akisok0311

4 жыл бұрын

@@apricottree. hunter schafer from the tv show euphoria

@rebeccah2662

3 жыл бұрын

Yes exactly! I love them both! And they’re both trans lesbians xx

@user-pe2xt7rj9h

3 жыл бұрын

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

~b u r g e o n i n g~

"i don't say like, 'Pull down your pants, everyone, I don't know what pronouns you are'" THAT KILLED ME OH MY GOD HDAHAHA

I’m here after Natalie came out and they don’t talk anymore. Man...

@tinyturtle1898

4 жыл бұрын

"Shame" video tugged my heartstrings

@chasecummings2353

4 жыл бұрын

They don’t talk anymore?! What! I thought theryn was her script supervisor? What happened?

@avag8242

4 жыл бұрын

Badin Cummings you should watch Natalia’s last video called “shame”. She refers to unrequited love interest as as “Joana”. It’s pretty obviously about falling in love with and being rejected by Theryn.

@flyingskyward2153

4 жыл бұрын

Theryn and Nat are still very good friends as far as I am aware

@ladylizcreates7719

4 жыл бұрын

Don't think we can say its theryn

A lot of Tabby's appeal is the sheer joy of smashing. There's a whole lot of fear and pain and anger on the left. We're a coalition of everyone on the wrong side of society's boot, and kicking back is a tremendously appealing dream. We may have very reasonable problems with the bat as a political tool - pragmatic ones moral ones - and we should. But whatever those problems, there WILL be that appeal, kicking back isn't necessarily bad all the time, and we're going to love an icon of resistance that way. Siegel and Schuster made Superman as a tough guy for the little guy in the face of fascism and capitalism in the 1930's. In a way, Tabby's queer Supercatgirl now.

@schroeder666

4 жыл бұрын

I think this is true but also reductive. She's also an icon for polarized thinking, black and white moralistic thinking, which is a meaningful topic with regard to understanding human behavior. The result, from my perspective at least, is that this makes Tabby both an icon of impulsive, direct, honest, expressive anger, as well as that friend who is most likely to commit suicide or be hospitalized, who can't talk things through in a reasonable way, who is always in destructive relationships, etc. I'm glad the channel depicts them as coherent and having innate dignity - even if only because I think that's a beautiful thing to give every person - but in reality Tabby does a lot of damage to herself and her communities.

@possumhead2812

4 жыл бұрын

This cat kills fascists

@jayy4651

4 жыл бұрын

"Revenge is sweet for those who have never known anything sweet" - Charles Windsor by McCarthy

@pooplenepe59

4 жыл бұрын

I wish they had to sense to stop stomping on each other, though...

@joallen5750

3 жыл бұрын

@@schroeder666 superman is all about black and white moralistic thinking.

Natalie Wynn is a national treasure.

@marcotedesco8954

3 жыл бұрын

International!

@gracejuice

3 жыл бұрын

national wynn!

@unshackledmind7863

3 жыл бұрын

He's is lunatic

@c.c.7687

3 жыл бұрын

@@unshackledmind7863 - Said the idiot who can't even write a three word sentence correctly. 😂

@jackunionjack

Жыл бұрын

@@gracejuice Wynnternational.

hell yes, really glad to see this - their collab on contra's most recent video was great

I wish Theyrn would go back to making her own videos now that her perspective has shifted so much. I remember when she made Blaire White style conservative takes, and it would be interesting to hear how her perspective has changed as someone who went from pretty conservative to aligning politically with Natalie and working on her videos.

@akisok0311

4 жыл бұрын

i never had the chance to watch her videos 😥

@steviewondek

3 жыл бұрын

@@akisok0311 Do it now, rouse!!

@johnbicknell4748

2 жыл бұрын

@@steviewondek +theryn is not making YT content anymore and she's only Instagram and Facebook.

I wish this interview would let contrapoints speak without constantly interrupting her. This is so frustrating. You blew through your points because you cut Natalie off every time she spoke and kept redirecting the conversation before she ever finished her points.

The nuanced and well-reasoned remarks of what academic freedom should include, especially by Natalie made a lot of sense as a guide for public policy right here in Canada. Essentially that "freedom of speech" should never include the right to harm or vilify categories of people who are vulnerable through no conscious fault of their own.

@MrAderfs

4 жыл бұрын

""freedom of speech" should never include the right to harm or vilify categories of people who are vulnerable through no conscious fault of their own." That... that's actually a really good way of saying and formulating in a simple phrase that can open discussions about the topic, being what constitutes "harm" and "vilify" and what cases people can be considered "vulnerable through no conscious fault of their own", instead of discussing random points about free speech and such, which doesn't lead anywhere. Thank you sir for writing this lol

@someonesomeone25

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Freedom of speech must include the freedom to insult, vilify, critique, and mock anyone and everyone regardless. People shouldn't, morally, bully people, of course, but that is a matter of private conscience not state control. IMHO.

@user-wj8rh9dq4u

3 жыл бұрын

@@someonesomeone25 This will lead (and has lead) to powerful people shielding themselves from criticism by non-government means, and vulnerable people being fully unprotected from hate. IMHO.

@erichnk

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-wj8rh9dq4u My words were carefully chosen. Powerful people are hardly a vulnerable category. They arise out of the history of my country of birth, Germany, which does have such legislation. We recently witnessed an expression of "free speech", US-style, where it includes the "right" to storm legislatures. This is much in the style of the NAZI street"demonstrations" of the `early 1930''s . Fascists will endlessly and cynically exploit freedoms to intimidate communities and crush opponents.

@jessebarnes1963

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-wj8rh9dq4u so are you advocating state regulation of various kinds on speech? That’s what your comment would seems to imply, but I’m eager to try to give you the benefit of the doubt on that.

The captions for this video seem to be generated by some kind of machine learning that is aware of trending political terms. I saw the words "jihad" and "undocumented" go by even though they didn't say that.

@mariahelizabeth_ent

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah.... We've taught it well😭😭😭😭 We're all gunna die😩😖

46:02 lower right, DOES NO ONE NOTICE THIS MAN?! his hair is phenomenal

The start of the most tragic sapphic love story 😭💜

@freyabeauchamp2572

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr do u think joanne was theryn

@Yayamea613

4 жыл бұрын

Omg! I’m glad I’m not the only one who came to this conclusion 😭

@anahrsak4793

4 жыл бұрын

@@Yayamea613 nooo omg really??? why do you think that theryn is joanne

@petronellataube2986

3 жыл бұрын

Stop it, the name was anonymous for a reason.

@melaniewut

Жыл бұрын

@@freyabeauchamp2572 yes obviously

Wow great discussion and I'm fascinated by the way contra talked about some of the same issues she ended up dealing with on an amped up degree. We do need the room to be wrong, wonderful question. I think its shame that we all have.

Theryn is lovely, such a genuine honest person, she has grown a lot, is not afraid to apologize if she makes a mistake, that takes integrity, humility maturity and empathy, but we've always known she is intelligent, we need more straight talking humans like her and Natalie.

@ch2010ize

2 жыл бұрын

She’s the anti-Blaire tbh.

@jordymaas565

Жыл бұрын

4x2uber

Natalie is on point, as always!

I saw Theryn Meyer on tvo once and I was really disappointed in almost everything she had to say - particularly how she attacked the "political trans lobby". She clearly tip-toes into it again during this discussion when she states she would apologies to others for "trans activists" despite those activists having very real grievances. It's clear that despite Theryn being trans, she has lived a very privileged life.

When the questions are this unprecise, yet Natalie still manages to answer bringing the discussion forward, I really see how competent she is lmao Also, organic Discussion? Meh

anyone know what happened to theryn's youtube channel?

I love how she is excellent expressing her ideas, even in public, it is disgraceful that certain fascist maniacs tried to silence her attempting against her image just because they did not agree with her.

Theryn! I missed you!!! 5,000 others also!

It is so bizarre to me that people find Contrapoints right wing or even right leaning.

@IronDBZ

4 жыл бұрын

Who in the world and where?

@delilah3556

3 жыл бұрын

@@IronDBZ twitter

@delilah3556

3 жыл бұрын

@Valdis4418 wow harsh. maybe we should take a page out of your book and send them to camps instead?

@delilah3556

3 жыл бұрын

@Valdis4418 dictators are out there murdering people? shocking

@delilah3556

3 жыл бұрын

@Valdis4418 A dictator is a dictator because they're a dictator. I could cite 50 right wing dictators without claiming that the right wing is fascist, yet here we are.

Is this video old but uploaded recently or what???

@rainbow_mess

5 жыл бұрын

says it took place january 12 2018 in the description. took a bit for me to find that

Huh it’s pretty nice to see Contra talking in an environment like this

Great presentation!

Well done!!! Thank you for the important work you are doing to advance human understanding and culture.

Brace yourselves for the cringiest ride at 59:51

@Pickotito

5 жыл бұрын

physically painful to watch...

@ericcampbell503

5 жыл бұрын

Oof, you weren't kidding.

@kindle9597

5 жыл бұрын

Life is complex, you know?

@thekween9037

5 жыл бұрын

He's full of himself omg

@WiCnet

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, what in the world was that? I wouldn't expect someone who thought that way to even show up at this kind of event.

That fella in the scarf was filibustering.

When did this actually take place? Why didn't we know about it beforehand? I would have loved to be there.

@turingttested

5 жыл бұрын

Leo Angelovitzka january 12 2018 :)

16:50 4 months later, Richard Spencer was a commentator on CNN

@meredithr9824

4 жыл бұрын

Whaaa? Will google

@MrShreddykruger

3 жыл бұрын

And a democrat. Fitting.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

3 жыл бұрын

Even people on the right would cheer his demise

love that contrapoints made the video she did after this called transtrenders

@roberthunt236

5 жыл бұрын

and she has about six hundred fifty thousand views in three days...quality.

I know it's completely irrelevant, but I'm getting Scandinavian vibes off Natalie's look. It suits her.

@hopkapi

5 жыл бұрын

If only The Golden One could dump that whole fascism thing..

@sealogic4552

3 жыл бұрын

@@hopkapi Why are the hot ones always evil?

This light is transphobic

@roddo1955

4 жыл бұрын

Right? Where.Are.The.LOWLIGHTS?!!!

@matthewburger798

3 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men I just gotta ask who hurt you? I’m legitimately asking the question.

@aarishowton8037

2 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men Just clicked on your profile and read some of your other comments. You’re disgusting tbh.

have tried unsuccessfully to find a theryn meyer channel on youtube or an inst acct etc, if anyone can link any of those

@antoninazatylna6685

3 жыл бұрын

heyitstheryn on ig

@blacksteedofdeath5808

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoninazatylna6685 thku!

Comment section is weird so I'm just here to say I hope everyone's doing well

@thenaturalpeoplesbureau

4 жыл бұрын

only sane comment here.. cheers

@mariamatedei

4 жыл бұрын

I hope you are doing well too

Always interesting to hear what Natalie / ContraPoints has to say.

25:00 touches on a good point - its important to have knowledge of everyone's perspective regardless of personal opinion.

1:03:21 Let's say that using correct pronouns is just kindness. Isn't that a reason enough? Why can't kindness be an absolute on at least the same level as free speech?

@ArdenJ

3 жыл бұрын

He also couldn't ask that question without giving his answer right after.

@junkiejackflash

3 жыл бұрын

Thought the same thing. Like, sure, Jord Pete Jr, rationalize it as a kindness if you want, so be kind to people. And dear God, the outfit, scarf, and sunglasses combo.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

3 жыл бұрын

Any idea how many people would let the door slam in my face while on crutches? How many people sneer at me at best while walking down the streets of Seattle? People are cruel and some just want to take their misery out on others. Objects of displacement. The upside is at least its real. I dont want people being nice to me because theyre forced to. Thats fake and i know better. You cant legislate respect. Ive experienced far more hate in liberal cities than anywhere and it got progressively worse when obama brought up the bathroom issue. Sit at a bench in UW village for an hour or two and listen to people talk. Its quite educational

@maocharlisme

2 жыл бұрын

@@pitchforkpeasant6219 this is how I've always felt myself aswell. I'd much rather have someone call me a fucking faggot in my face than having to overhear someone call something or someone "gay" as a substitute word for something like "stupid" or "lame" with an intimidating, possible double entendre of still also referring to homophilia, being well aware that I am within hearing distance and abusing that opportunity to for example establish social dominance, to socially exclude or negatively discriminate me (and other gays) or just to hurt my feelings or humiliate me even. And the shitty thing is that it is often a vague difference between people who say that in such context with malignant intent and people who say so with ignorantly innocent intent.

I would've loved to have met Natalie in person at an event like that (it doesn't seem like she does in-person appearances anymore, or at least not often) but we can still ask her questions on Patreon which she'll answer on live stream!

The “marketplace of ideas” should not include bad ideas that have already been thoroughly vetted and found to be useless to us, or even dangerous, including ideas like fascism, which were vetted by a world war.

@achinthmurali5207

3 жыл бұрын

By that logic communism shouldn’t be included because of the Cold War. Ideas aren’t good or bad simply by the way they are applied but also by what they say. Fascism is bad, at least in my opinion, because of its beliefs and tenets not because of its pioneers. I think communism is bad for the same reason. Although I don’t have an opinion on which is worse yet.

This is so interesting. I would have thought I’d have immediate objections to their points of view, but so far (an 8th of the way through) I think they’re both very rational. Will update if a hardcore disagreement comes up.

Good Points in here. Don‘t engage the bigots on their terms. Giving vile racists the authority of the stage to have them battle it out in a televised cagefight with ultra-lightweights is not the level of scrutiny they deserve.

1:07:00 is that a pizza john shirt?

@cottage-core_

4 жыл бұрын

+

I really enjoyed this 👍👍

Here's free speech: Theryn is a babe!!!!

Contrapoints Is BEAUTY.!!

@MissCracker

4 жыл бұрын

She’s literally so pretty

What divide is trying to be bridged? It was an interesting discussion.

@dylankennedy4539

5 жыл бұрын

Centrist vs communist?

@oliviamaynard9372

5 жыл бұрын

@@dylankennedy4539 Those words don't deal with the same concept I would think

@pinkabstractions1752

5 жыл бұрын

@@dylankennedy4539 ehm, Natalie isn't communist?

@oliviamaynard9372

5 жыл бұрын

@@pinkabstractions1752 She isn't . She is capitalist.

@pinkabstractions1752

5 жыл бұрын

@@oliviamaynard9372 yep I know, I find it funny that Americans call everything left of centre-right "communist"

The first few minutes of the video was a fucking prophecy

I really wish that Blair White would have been able to join this discussion.

how did I miss this??

Hi welcome to The Freedom Report.

9:35 That’s like going up to someone, punching them in the face, and saying “well you need to suck it up and accept that you’re gonna get punched in the face sometimes”

@bigfan1041

5 жыл бұрын

No, people having opinions you find hurtful and being mean to you isn't the same as physical assault.

@Teopengy96

5 жыл бұрын

JxJxJxJx It’s an analogy, I’m not equating the two

@bigfan1041

5 жыл бұрын

@@Teopengy96I'm just pointing out that they're fundamentally different. There's really no comparison.

@noahreisner5199

5 жыл бұрын

@@bigfan1041 No that seems pretty analogous. Physical assault doesn't often lead to the end of times for a person, neither does someone being mean to you. But having it happen over and over again can make someone uncomfortable and ruin things for them. At the end of the day, if there is group of people treating gay people like crap, gay people won't want to be around them, and if trans people are in a classroom setting where their fellow students are constantly treating them like crap why would they stay in that class, and if that continues to happen trans people are just stuck. This is why we can't allow it in the first place. It's one thing to say hurtful things online where it's optional as to whether or not you have to deal with it, but another entirely to hinder someones education, or job status because you wanna be an asshole on the basis of something they have no control over, like being trans or gay.

@bigfan1041

5 жыл бұрын

@@noahreisner5199 There's nothing analogous of physically assaulting someone and saying something that hurts someone's feelings.

Is this sped up?

Name a more iconic duo, I'll wait

Can someone explain to me (not joking or being rhetorical) why people are talking into their phones?

@XDCherylLi

4 жыл бұрын

They're voice recording from their phones.

@Breerox108

3 жыл бұрын

Voice recording so the audio could be added to this video

@d0nj03

3 жыл бұрын

Wooow, just voice recording. Here I was running scenarios like "they provided a Bluetooth speaker close to the main mic at the front and had everyone pair to that BT speaker to get heard well when asking their question, but without having to pass a regular microphone around" or "they had one phone at the front feeding a signal getting mixed with the main mic and everyone was really sending voice chats through WhatsApp or something to that phone at the front". :) Or some other cockamamie live solution.

@sealogic4552

3 жыл бұрын

@@d0nj03 Ah, the joys of live sound

Very true the irony is testing the waters with things they are mentally considering.

That guy near the end who rambled for ten minutes was disgusting. Saying "calling you by your preferred pronouns WAS A KINDNESS that you didn't deserve." Revolting.

@femboyrules7594

4 жыл бұрын

Timestamp?

Love seeing Nathalie on different channels. As i started watching a suggestion to watch 'dr Jordan Peterson' popped up. 🤢

@carolyntalbot947

5 жыл бұрын

Me too. 🤔

@rotomblack8389

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Theryn....

@Drazakhan_Dynasty

5 жыл бұрын

Me: Watches one gamergate video. KZread: would you like to know more about white genocide?

@RuminatingRaptor

5 жыл бұрын

Same. Like wtf? No.

@KangMinseok

5 жыл бұрын

A suggestion for a video of an actual clinical psychologist pops up on a debate of philosophy students? Proposterous! Reeeeee

24:13 that painful laugh... Relatable

great talk but the dude in the scarf "asking about pronouns" at the end make me shrivel up

I have no idea on the campus speaker issues. But twitter is designed as an internet gossip channel not the attempt of the modern agora that people have been trying to use it fot. It has to be replaced with something that does not empower or allow anonymity or 'retweeting', as well as including algorithms that do fallacy-spotting, fact-checking, & source footnoting. Know anyone that can program and/or host?

@hiscores9282

5 жыл бұрын

Agora?

@n-key2171

5 жыл бұрын

@@hiscores9282 "Agora" = in Ancient Greece, a wide-open public space in which popular assemblies, scheduled public speaking, and impromptu marketplaces were supported and allowed to be.

@hiscores9282

5 жыл бұрын

Oh i see, its easier to say that twitter like every other social media platform is a time sink n meaningless entertainment. And thats all it needs to be really it doesnt need to change imo

@n-key2171

5 жыл бұрын

@@hiscores9282 It probably doesn't need to change, but people need to stop treating it as a serious way to have discussions.

@hiscores9282

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah like your post says, im just not sure meaningful open discussion can be had across the internet in any format. Actually even watching professors who know thier stuff debate each other in person can be a snoozefest because even they devolve to personal atks or intellectual showmanship for audience. My 2 cents anyway

The guy at the end asking the trans question really thought he did something..... like there was a much better conversation being had that was so much more nuanced and ugly red sweater thought he was the pinnacle of rational thought.

Contra is so in love with Theryn

Why is this not on Theyrn's channel

Uwu I like that.

Theryn Meyer Briggs

@joelbedulla4

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

lmao the guy with the who dressed up to complain about pronouns

is this really only a year old?? time is weird.

@matthiasr5254

4 жыл бұрын

i was so confused as well but apparently it's a newer upload - according to the description the talk took place in January 2018

Theryn looks so cute

Is theryn meyer south african?

@maryamkhawar9120

4 жыл бұрын

Yep! She is

The speech club should have come before the free speech club.

With the bullshit Theryn posted not that long ago, it's surprising Natalie became friends with her at all. And Theryn also doesn't add much to this conversations, so yeah, weird. Love Natalie tho. Amazing debate, what an intellect.

Best exposure of Richard Spenser is Tree of Logic. She takes none of his bull.

@pitchforkpeasant6219

3 жыл бұрын

Even people on the right would be happy to see him gone in any manner

The money I would have paid to be here…. NEED this at western

Nathalie looked so done the whole interview, I wonder if she was just tired, or uncomfortable or what was going on?

@mizjulio

4 жыл бұрын

i feel like she is just more reserved live

@milicadamnjanovic1490

3 жыл бұрын

miss julio I got the same impression. Same with her “debate” with Blair White.

@lukaspasten

3 жыл бұрын

idk a lot of the questions asked were stupid and so unnecessarily long. Shit crowd.

@rebeccasheng620

Жыл бұрын

@@mizjulio she’s very much shy in live conversation, if anyone interrupts her points she’s just like ok I’m done you go on 😅 very relatable though

The guy with the ridiculously long question... jeeez man. Seriously cringey. Sometimes it's embarrassing to be male. He's like Tabby chan's opposite version...

On the point about people pretending bigotry is just trolling or a joke : if you can laugh about something thats hurting someone, it shows you don't care about that person's wellbeing,that you don't value their rights.

@megauser8512

3 жыл бұрын

Sad but true!

Jesus Red-Pilled Tom Baker is insufferable

Natalie Parrott? Is her name not Natalie Wynn?

@roddo1955

4 жыл бұрын

Wynn=Joy

@13ciaran13000

3 жыл бұрын

I know "Parrott" was her natal surnane. (In fact if you see older references to her, she's usually called "[deadname] Parrot"). She later changed her name to "Natalie Wynn", but I wouldn't be surprised if the "Wynn" part is just a stage name. A lot of KZreadrs don't use their real last names. "Thorn", "Sanjati", and "Dawson" for instance are all stage names.

@13ciaran13000

3 жыл бұрын

(then again, Abigail did seem to imply that the name "Thorn" is her on her documents now. But at the very least, it used to be a stage name).

why should identity be on the free marketplace of ideas? Why can't people define themselves?

@arubinojr5670

3 жыл бұрын

That would be too collectivist.

56:00 to 56:11 Did Theryn just say my name? Is there already a famous Sam Seed out there??? Because that would really take my whole thing I'm trying to do and fuck it up real quick... PS (totally irrelevant), I also happen to LOVE Tabby (Tabbi?). And finally, is Theryn rightwing? Just curious. I thought I heard her say "I get that on the right, as well." Also Ive seen a picture of her wearing a maga hat.

@lamp5matt

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Seder, host of Majority Report. You mean Taibbi? Of rolling stone?

@seedfamily1404

5 жыл бұрын

@@lamp5matt no, Tabby is a character that Natalie Wynn plays on her channel from time to time. Shes like a Communist Cat-girl.

Me: 1) Applied to UBC 2) Watches ContraPoints KZread: Here is this video of Contrapoints at UBC God, Google knows too much about me.

This interviewer feels the need to relate everything to herself and struggles in her execution

wow contra points is PhD the way she talks is very intelligent

@melaniewut

Жыл бұрын

No

The conversation between Blair White and Ben Shapiro actually convinced me that Shapiro was being irrational about transgender topics. Pulling something like that off against Ben Shapiro is not an easy feat, so props to Blair White.

@ainnochaim9450

3 жыл бұрын

Which is why Blair White exists. To sell trans to right wing people. Aaaaaaaanndd... it worked.

Joanne!

@clsisman

3 жыл бұрын

Stop it. If she wanted to publicise it she would’ve

@junkiejackflash

3 жыл бұрын

@@clsisman I mean, when you're a public figure, you know that people are gonna draw conclusions. If she absolutely had to keep it anonymous, she could've done a bit more. I think the main reason of the name change in the video was to kinda cover herself, in a legal-ish/morally kind of way. That said, people are always going to talk and assume. I dont always agree with it and don't really engage in it myself, but as long as people aren't like showing up to dig through her trash looking for gossip material, not much you can do. Ya can't expect 100% perfect ideal fans out of the millions that there are

@clsisman

3 жыл бұрын

@@junkiejackflash Sure, but there's no need to publicise it.

@petronellataube2986

3 жыл бұрын

You should seriously delete this thread. Why would you throw that suggestion around when Natalie clearly wanted it to be anonymous? It's frankly a bit creepy.

Huge girl crush on Theryn

What happened to Theryn?

@ibrav7979

Жыл бұрын

Well after this debate her view points changed and she put out a video titled "Dear Non-binary people" which angered her conservative fanbase who basically doxxed and bullied her out of the internet