I agree with you, it is a javelin unit, having more javelins is the whole point of the unit.

Really enjoyed the comparison, and you've changed my mind on which to unlock!

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks:) glad you enjoyed the video

Sweet was looking into getting either ones but couldn't decide

Imperial for killing heroes , Sergeants for killing units

@pimpyo7829

3 жыл бұрын

actually sergeants are doing both well. the reason why ppl say imperial is good for killing heroes is because it is shit for killing units

@TheDemonOfSemen

2 жыл бұрын

@@pimpyo7829 An entire unit of bezerkers say otherwise...

@milesrudy870

2 жыл бұрын

Instablaster...

@taejo4975

2 жыл бұрын

@@pimpyo7829 I find imperial javelin better in melee compare to the sergeants, the sergeants just feel super weak in melee for me while my imperial javelin actually kill a lot while only losing some health to other purple/blue tier melee

I've been waiting for this!

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

:)

hi Evo thanks again for these.. you got good team mates too - i saw Monk [on your side] in 1 & Poncho in the other!

Very helpful video, subbed

Great Vid! Most people prefer the Imp Javs beacause of the shield formation. The Jav Seargents dont have a locked formation so can easily engage in melee with enemy units who are too close and just die if you are not paying attention. In the end the Jav sergeants are harder to play but more rewarding.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

yeah the lack of a locked formation on the jav sgt is a little annoying! particualrly when you look away for a few seconds to find them running off into a fight haha

I use my fully tech imperial javs to tank enemies from the last point, They are underrated especially with the daze effect warlords can't have their way with them. I play on NA server "Crazyfolk" love your videos shoutout!

I wish the two low tier javelins got a buff to make them at least useable. I think overall all javelineers need a high chance of breaking the block of the enemy OR you could give them much higher crit damage multiplier (say normally it's 2x and now they get 3x). Say the sergeant line get the block break increase while the imperial line gets the crit damage increase. That way if positioned well the imperials will be much more lethal, especially against cav since you hit the sides/rear much more often, and their defence means they might actually make it to the flank rather than being killed by the slightest obstruction

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Some very good suggestions, very much like the idea of making better use of the crit damage multiplier, would add some good variation to the two units

nice video, I love this :D

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you like it :-)

I would choose Imperial jav because in a big fight, the Enemy heroes are the main problem so if you use ur ability to throw jav at them and kill them, it would stop him from using his troops ability and cause a huge win for ur team while they take many casualties and troops loss in long-term game play

@batfish8867

3 жыл бұрын

It also has shield bash

Is this combo better? Aim throw, double shot, hero aim, aim throw

do an episode how to optimize the game well at siege berttle, that I have i7 8700 and 1070 ti, and if I activate the shadows on many units I have 40 fps

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Problem is that would require me to have a technical understanding of how that works 😂 have heard a lot of people having issues but not really sure what the optimum settings are

Hey nice video. Mind explaining a bit the veterancy path you chose for the jav sergeants? I find them appealing because of the lower supply cost of 230 and since I main bow i can baby sit and manage them a lot while staying far away from melee fights.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I think you can sort of go either for the jav sgts top for the extra damage but bottom for more survivability, and self heal :)

@sophiearcher6153

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming bot tree with self heal and the extra ammo is my fave by far

What about the Honor Upgrade with the Sergants for Ammo, do you get 6 Throws with them or even more on bottom tree ?

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't grabbed the extra honor boxes yet myelf so can't confirm, I suspect it'd be really touch and go if it gives enough to make that sixth shot, its possible :)

I have a question sir ( it maybe out of topic), if i want to play with other weapon type with diff armor type, is it better if i make a new char or just learn new weapon skill?..

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Generally just learn a new weapon skill on the same character because that is the account you have unlocked and levelled your units etc :)

@janitraclan5643

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming ah..good point!..thanks for the advice, sir..keep up the good work💪💪

I noticed that for the imperial javelineers you only have 1 of the 2 yellow nodes on the top branch of the veterancy tree and 1 point in the bottom branch, can you only get 1 of the yellow nodes or was the other one just not worth it?

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I'd have to double check but i'm pretty sure you could only get 1 of the nodes

I only have the Sergeants, but they always seem to want to run off. They throw a volley, and then decide it's time run in melee range for some reason. Often have to spam the formation to keep them in one place.

@MrShadowskinke

4 жыл бұрын

Both units does that. Once you throw a jav. they break formation.

@geirtristananton9305

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrShadowskinke Pretty dumb feature imo, if not a bug.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah i also find this happens, quite annoying having to keep telling them to return to position after each throw

@MrShadowskinke

4 жыл бұрын

@@geirtristananton9305 it is without a doubt a bad design

Nice vid great stream last night

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Evo, could you make a Condoterri vs prefecture guards video? I'm not sure which one to use.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

For now i'd say Condoterri, but yes certainly a video i'd like to make :)

@owenlee8867

4 жыл бұрын

Omg you responded!

the shield formation is just epic and thats why the imperial are soo good because you need this shield formation to not die from charges and stuff

I want to know the spec of your computer.

As usual i wonder how much the tech would upgrade those units. Because while expensive the upgrades for 4* units are really huge, to give a couple of examples vassal longbow can get 20% extra fire rate (which is their main issue and there is no other way to increase) and imperial spear can get 3% extra health (which is around 300, the equivalent of a rare doctrine if the unit is max level).

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah its unfortunate you have to do the defense increase to get to the extra ammo nodes, makes upgrading them very expensive

I think inperial javilins are more for a support pushing because if you just put them in there as a starting push they will die as if you use the sergeants you might want to keep them at range for the rapid volleys like archers or something The sergeants might also be good for leveling alternatives because they can kill so many units but they might be hard to keep alive

What's the helmet skin in the thumbnail?

It may be a little late and I may be wrong but, I think that the imp javs are better used as skirmishers or line breachers, they may not have a lot of dps but they have a lot of burst damage anf good enough melee to deal with retreating "stragglers", their javs fly straighter, deal more damage and more block break so you go in throw and run, while jav sergeants are better as rear units, they stay in the back during the chaotic mass melee and dish out a lot of dps in to the enemy deathball, they can also cripple enemy ranged because they have a slightly higher throwing arc and if one is good enough, they can potentially stop cav charge with back to back jav throws. The different utilizations may explain why people use imp javs more, because most people like to go around instead of sticking together

not sure spec for melee for imperials makes sense.. you should be able to get full javelin spec and throw shield

how do you get 200+ honor every game?

Hi i really like your vids

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy :)

I like to think that no unit is unplayable, they might not be as good as others but if you like their ability or their looks then take them. I prefer the Imperials mainly because they look better, but my playstyle is quite aggressive and I find myself often in devastating Melee fights, so the Imperials do a great job helping me survive.

I prefer Javeline Sergeants. Imo the Javeline units are just archers that can defend themselves but with less ammo.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

COmpletely agree :)

@danielhughes3758

2 жыл бұрын

I know I'm late to the party here, but I really like the imperials, at least for dual blades. Hit an enemy with the ult, line up the target javelin ability, cancel ult and get the hell out. Guaranteed kill pretty much, even in some pretty chaotic situations. They can also stand their ground better with melee, which means you can have them be your body guards and reserve their throws for securing kills, vs berserkers or if you're close to a supply point. Bottom line is great btw

imperials are better but need to be more carefull when playing them, need to pick right moments to throw and right melee fights, also from my experience their ability 3 is only accurate when u shoot on someone a bit further away if someone is closer and outside of units 1 works better

First time using imperial javelins, 9 hero kills.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Nice job :)

@noahrohrbach351

3 жыл бұрын

ya same lol

@Evo Loz, people prefer imperial javelin due to their formation , as u can get them in tight cap zones, and they dont disperse after u use their shots..

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

It's a good point! and I do agree that it is a massive plus but for whatever reason I just cannot seem to enjoy playing imp javs

Same sentiments about the two, Imperials even with better melee stats, there really isn't a reason you would want them to be in melee anyway. If they were caught out by T1/T2 units, Jav Sergeants would probably hold out as well as the Imperials would too. T3 and above, both units are going to struggle anyway. More ammo and being able to cycle your javelins outweighs better melee stats by far.

@treefrog9392

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen imp javs beat spear sergents, condos, monastics, palace guards, prefacture etc in melee once leveled. This could be because I'm constantly trying to headshot the units closest to my javs with my hero and cc'ing other heroes but imp javs have been my most valuable unit in just about every TW battle I've played in the past few weeks. Their shield formation is excellent and lets them deal with rangers very well. If the rangers step out of position they can lose half their unit. Jav sergeants are excellent as well though, the health regen talent is amazing.

@ARGnasher

4 жыл бұрын

@@treefrog9392 which tree did you go for imp jav?

@Jixxor

4 жыл бұрын

Imp Javelineers' shield wall alone outweighs the whole Javelin Sergeant unit for me. You cant hide Jav Sergeants nearly as good as Imp Javelineers, you cant sustain ranged damage for the lack of shield wall, and the Javelin Sergeant have less men in their unit, so the deficit if 2 less throws has to be set in perspective as its not as bad as it sounds with Imperial Javelineers having more Javelins in each volley. (tho obviously Javelin Sergeants still have an edge here).

I've seen imp javs beat numerous 3 and 4 star melee units, monastics while charging, wipe half a ranger squad while taking no dmg etc. I even got a lucky 3 hero kills with them 1v9 on a wall when they tried to rush x point with their heroes before my squad could get to the city defense in time. I've sniped numerous heroes in shield walls with them. They do need a bit of support but I think they're extremely strong right now. Jav sergeants are also great. Their health regen talent is amazing.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I do sort of agree and hopefully it came across in the video that I do think imp javs are in a good place right now, just for I cannot get them to work or enjoy using them for some reason :)

@treefrog9392

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming you did, yes. I think my wording sounded more like an argument than a discussion, apologies.

@roelven1282

4 жыл бұрын

euhhmmm ive seen my 2 star unit (pike militia) beat 4.5 star units with ease without back up... just me with a bow .... so youre point of a 4star unit and up beating 3 and 4 star units is not a vote of confidence for me ..... and EVERY unit performs better with backup, thats the entire purpose of working together ;) ... and about hero kills, from the receiving end of javis, i can say with confidence that they do not really frighten me anymore, seeing fire archers or nahkams at close range are far harder to dodge.

@beret4542

2 жыл бұрын

@@roelven1282 there a ranged unit

Nice vid

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

imperial 240 leadership so use that to kill heroes and then get a unit that can kill units so you have like 3 heroes kill and 139 units kill and there we go have S+

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Make it sound so easy XD

imperials are more for melees while seargents are more for ranged so i pick seargents so i can spam the javelins

make a guide on prefecture heavy cavalary

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Have got them unlocked but need to get a bit of levelling sorted :)

Javelineers have the shield wall formation, can throw and are great at melee with shield throws so that's why people like em more i think. They are more versatile

i maxed out both jav sgts and imp javs and i have to say i like to imp javs more. they have more hp, defense, melee prowess, and a nice shield wall. I've made peace with going back to the supply point all the time but it's definitely worth it. I have a 1.8 average hero kill with the imp javs and it's so fun. jav sgts are nice too, but there are certain things i don't like. their accuracy seems to be a little worse and they don't have formation that i like. they also always run into melee when enemies get close and after i throw their javs they may also go into melee. it's very stressful constantly repositioning the sgts because they keep running off to fight when their melee isn't even that good. jav sgts are awesome at shooting at large groups of enemies over and over because of their higher ammo count tho.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I certainly agree with most of your points and I know I should really prefer then imperials, they certainly have many plus points but I just can't seem to enjoy playing them XD Just end up enjoying my sergeants so much more (although yeah wish they would stop auto attacking!!)

@Pyan1

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming yeah, i think in the end it really comes down to preference. both are great units and have massive potential. i love javs in general haha

Jav srgt no question the better, I run bottom line on mine tho more dynamic and have a heal, can throw vertically while imperials cannot are not in a tight formation and more vulnerable to to trebs and enemy jav toss I decimate imps every time with srgts and imo the srgts have a better ai with melee and kill heroes just as good if not better because of the angles and elevations you can throw I'm with u 100% aside from vet tree but both are viable just a preference thing with that I absolutely despise playing with the imps lol great vid man keep it up!!!!!

@HandBananaPvP

4 жыл бұрын

Oh and the 2 or 3 more throws thing it's like 3k per jav non crit + 24-28 units I'll keep my 200k extra dmg XD

@geirtristananton9305

4 жыл бұрын

I would still say it's situational. Like said in the video, imp javelineers have better melee stats plus they have the tight formation. So imp javelineers can hold ground if needed whereas with sergeants you need to fall back. With sergeants you need to either hit and run or stick behind or close to allies. Imo javelin sergeants are superior because they are more built around throwing javes. You don't need good melee stats when you can rack up kills from safe positions. They also fit better with my playstyle and my class (longbow). I wouldn't be able to assist my unit in melee so if there was an enemy hero nearby imp javes would go down just as easily. In the end it just comes down to your playstyle.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Glad i'm not the only one to prefer sergeants :) I think imperials certainly have their moments in some situations, certainly better defensive stats and better melee I think. But I just generally don't enjoy playing them anywhere near as much as my sergeants :D

@HandBananaPvP

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, the seargants are the rock of my siege setup for leveling units because expeditions are nauseating after a few XD and where if I have to in the case of losing a good unit or 2 early can spread them and can still be effective throughout the match and get 100+ unit and 3+ hero kills with them regularly and rarely unless at max range/elevations do I even use the aoe, i use the single target for heroes and throws in succession and the regular throw because they seem to get more hits at mid to close range using those or just keep slapping 1 while they surround a unit in melee is devastating 🤢☠ #JavSrgtTheUnsungHero :D u get the pavise btw yet man? they are really fun to use!! 💪

I think I generally agree with you that Javelin Sergeants are the better Javelins. My main reason for loving imperials is that I play primarily poleaxe where 1 stun = death with Imperials, and imperials are JUST tanky enough to be on the front line with you while you stun people. I also wonder if opting for doctrines that are more suitable for melee combat would help them? They can already 1-shot heroes so maybe just defensive and melee stats would be best. Not sure.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the tankier imperials are nice for front line use, and yeah you maybe right in terms of doctrines the damage is already very high so perhaps not much benefit to further buffs

how do u get so many slots for melee units???

@beret4542

2 жыл бұрын

(in barracks)

@beret4542

2 жыл бұрын

I'm an idiot I thought u could only use the slots u could see but u can add more …

I used both and I hate both lol maybe I need level them but I hate the ammo on them

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Haha javelins aren't the unit for everyone :)

When you made this video I watched it for entertainment's sake but didn't really pay that much attention. Coming back to it wanting to get the Imperial Javelineers (not interested in Jav Sergeants, they don't fit my current needs for a unit) I think what may be wrong with your Imperials is their veterancy. I think it might be worth a reset Evo. Yes they do the little bleed thingy and they look cooler, but I think unlocking shield bash on the Imperials at all is a mistake. Their blunt damage stats are abysmal, and their shield bash doesn't stun. I'd say Imperials should be levelled all the way down the very top veterancy, for the daze effect on attacks, and then rest of the points in the bottom line for the extra health. I feel like with this veterancy, you'd see a marked improvement in the Imperials. I haven't tested them myself yet, but I think they're my next unit to level and that's how I'm going to spend their veterancy points.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Certainly an interesting point, i've got a few reset training plan things so i'll perhaps give that a go and see how I get on with them :)

Am I the only one who suffers from some sort of background-noise in Evo's videos? Like cracking noise? Also I think ending Imp. Javelineers' top-top vet line makes them even more durable in melee. Them dazing enemy units really helps.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Is the crackling sound just in the first part of the video? And not just you it's an issue my end :)

@beret4542

2 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming yh first part

I think difference between them is, imperials are good at attacking and sergeants are good at defence. Like Modao to Silahdars/Reapers. Both good.

wish imp javs still had their charge :(

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

That would certainly be a big improvement!

Imperials are better for attacking and defending IMO for my strategy which is weaken up with a few volleys and then go in for the kill, great agains most units

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah imps are certainly still a good jav unit, for me I just much prefer the extra ammo & block break of the jav sgts

think i chose wrongly after all... I might have liked the sergeants more :(

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of people do prefer imperials and they are by no means a bad unit just more I prefer the sgts :)

I did the more hp and it is amazing pls top can daze

Javelin sergeants Are better for large amount of units and imperial javelin for 1 shot heroes

i mean it depends on your playstyle...when u r agr player u want jav sergeants and when u r def player u want imp javs....i just like imps more cuz im not agr player....i like to hold point and that stuff

@jaroslavsklenak212

4 жыл бұрын

also they can kill condotieri when they volley them once and they hold position...dont know if jav sergs would be able to do that too.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Yep absoloutely very playstyle orientated, I think on paper and in many situatons imperials are actually better I just find for me I don't enjoy them like I do my sergeants

Got 3 kills with one marksman volley yestrday haha. (Imp javs)

Well I honestly love the imperial javelineers, I haven't played with the other onces. But the thing is they are so good for killing heroes and it makes me laugh whenever I oneshot a person. I play with a poleaxe so I cc the enemy and then one shot. I chose the imperial once over the others because of there defence, like I said I'm a poleaxe. So I prefer to have my units with me, so I can see what they are doing. Which means my units need to have some defence or they are going to die. they are also good for on top of the wall you can just hop out and kill the heroe that comes up and go back again.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear they have been working well for you, i've only very recently been playing maul (normally a poleaxe user) so do enjoy ulting then 1 shot jav to the face :-D But for some reason I just really can't seem to enjoy the imperials compared to the sergents

@davydebruyne8180

4 жыл бұрын

Well I'm not good with the maul and I will have to test the sergeants then to see which i prefer the most. Personally I think it's not only which unit is better but more like which unit fits your game style. You can consider it like weapon class not everyone likes playing short bow but some do because they can work with the skills and such

Imp have 6 more men, means 18 more javs fired in every 3 throws. And I would say you use imp.javelineers too much in front line combat. But as always great video man.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

This is true yep! I sort of think on paper imperials are better but I don't know I jusy can't seem to get them to work for my playstyle

@Alex-mv2dr

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming well, in the end the decisive factor is the personal playstyle. Good thing this game has so many units.

Imperial are more forgiving, seems better for newer players also better when you play solo.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I'd agree about more forgiving but I think the sergeants have more potential for higher damage

@chaylez4102

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming awesome that you still answer comments in this video I was considering which one to unlock and believe sergeants are the right choice now

@MrBakushin

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming You are absolutely right

Could I play with you sometime? I think it would be really cool!

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

It's a little difficult to find time to play with individuals a little. I work full time so when i'm ingame i'm normally pretty focussed towards making videos etc Maybe when I am streaming you can queue at the same time and stand a good chance of getting the same game :-D

@ebrithil5859

4 жыл бұрын

Ok but what if you let viewers play with you in your group while you make the video or livestream?

try to take daze with imp javs and during meele use them like reapers or tsereg - quicly swap commands X / V / X / V ;) . Units left for themselves on attack command loose value cuz AI is stupid

neither of them if its my choice.... i never ever played javis (maybe once or twice a very long time ago as merc) ...and i dont miss it ;) .... lol i havent even unlocked em

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

haha javelins aren't for everyone :) Just seems to suit my playstyle quite well

@roelven1282

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming i just like em when i see them as target ;) they really suit MY play style :) ... my pike militia + 1 explosive arrow is all i need ;)

demesne javeliners have 105 ammo too wtf??

I believe sergeants are just better overall. Imperial are used for hero killing, but even sergeants have enough damage to kill them, getting even more is just overkill, specially when you play with maul for kidnapping or any other long CC weapon (poleaxe, DB, etc), so what imperial would have that is superior to sergeants when it comes to javelins are the block penetration nodes and the high damage...BUT, double javelin throws are better, the first wave breaks shield and the second kill the units, if that wasn't enough, you can use ANOTHER javellin throw for a total of 3, high damaging projectiles. So in the end, Imperial are better if you play with a frontline type of mindset, you want them to get close, from the sides and destroy enemies defenses, after that engage in melee and abuse the CC nodes they get, if you want a JAVELLING unit, go with sergeants, if you want a jack of all trades, go for Imperial.

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

I think on paper imperials probobly have the better stats in terms of defense, melee damage, jav damage etc but for me I just really don't enjoy playing them like I do my sergeants :D

@baluranha

4 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming I mean, the only time you get them into melee is when you're in trouble, and when in trouble I'd much rather shoot 2 javs (or 3 if fast enough) and fight than rely on units stats, which, for me up to now is pure BS.

well imperial also look cooler :D

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

well that maybe true :D

in reality javelin sergeants have only one extra volley of javelines because they are 24, and imperial javelines are 30. after some simple math, we see that 3 volleys from the imperial javelines are 90 javelines in total, and 5 volleys from the sergeants are only 120 javelines in total. 120-90=30 which is one volley from the imperial javelines. if we add to that that imperials are not gonna die from arrows (because their formation, imperials are also better in melee, and imperials have a slight higher damage, I think is clear that imperials are better, but u guys can use whatever unit u want XD

Asian units op

I unlocked everything on Pavise, expensive but worth it

@EvoLozGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Yeah i've just got them myself, got a fair bit of unit grinding to do now though :)

@Torskel

4 жыл бұрын

Same

imperial javelineers are better on paper but worse on their actual role,but are better in defense wich isnt realy their role,javelin sergeants do their actual job and thus suffer a more in melee than the imperial javelineers. Same opinion like you evo,segerant javelineers play a lot better because the do what theyre told to do.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you agree! Many people seem to prefer the imp javs still but the more I play the more I prefer the Jav sergeants they are just perfect for their role :)

@Prashantsharma-yg7kj

2 жыл бұрын

@Evo Loz Gaming actual javelin was sword/spear unit that joins the charge a bit late, or may be flank and charge. After supporting the main charge.

i testen imperial against spear sergeants just melee and the javelins won lol

Imperial javelins suck, I got a 5 player kill off a single throw, aside from that, they've never made me happy...yet I still love them even though they suck..why? Anyone else just love a unit even though they aren't great?

top line on jav sergeants is a mistacke imo

@vini784

3 жыл бұрын

nope