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I typically include one ranged unit in my warband just to prevent the scenario where all my units are wiped and I have just a hero on the battlefield. I find longbows work very well for that purpose. You should always be using them at maximum range and babysitting them, but if you do that and plan strategically on the map, they’re nearly unkillable and can eliminate enemy ranged which is a real service to your allies. Certain maps have great spots where they can arc a shot over terrain that makes them essentially invulnerable to return fire or trees.

@Doom1461

3 жыл бұрын

Sneaking up on unprotected longbows is soooo satisfying :P Kudos to you to protecting them!

as a longbow player, i find these units awesome I can sit at the backlines and really melt enemy units and if i take explosive arrow and time it well even eviscerate shield walls and their playstyle is perfect for me it lets me sit at extremely long ranges and line up headshots and destroy both enemy heroes and units with ease i often reach upwards of 200 kills on good games with these guys, very fun.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

They certainly can be a good unit, I think they work a lot better with a ranged hero than a melee like I was playing here :)

@kaelhazard-4171

3 жыл бұрын

Longbowmans is my favs ranged troop. they are so good as long no enemy reach it or flank it. They have Shieldbreaker that still good vs shielded but better with unshielded like pikemens or others ranged unit. Really good against crowd especially when do volley arrow. Also each arrow deal around 1k until 2k! can 1 shot lower tier units. only the downside is it has limited men and slow rate of fire.

@kaelhazard-4171

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Du it's good but i know it's not the best. Even in some circumstances any units can be fked up in a sec. Longbowmen is good for their range and that's why i liked it. Even the accuracy is sometimes weird but when facing crowds even it shielded units, it still giving a decent damage. since it has shieldbreaker, That means you can help frontliner to break enemy's formation.

I take these units everytime. I usually take them out and aim for nothing but enemy archers from range. It helps your team alot when you're taking out 80+ opposing archers without them reaching you're archers. Nice video Evo

Back when you were a full armour poleaxe main, you had a philosophy of staying alive to control your units and let them do most of the work. That's exactly what you did throughout most of this battle, but you were wondering about your usefulness. As has been pointed out, you could have pressed 2 and dived into the fray with your glaive more often than you did, but there was no need. I believe getting that maul in S2 corrupted your thinking! After 1300hrs playing the game, Namkhans and Vassal Longbowmen are the only archer units I still have, and I nearly always have one or the other in my warband builds. You're dead right about the merits of each. In a win like the one you just had, I wouldn't feel bad about 'low participation' or lack of an S.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

It's a interesting and good point, maybe the Maul has changed my point of view I certainly find I tend to generally play quite aggressivly so it doesn't really lend itself to playing range units like the longbows so much, maybe making use of the 2 key to cover myself is a good balance between the two

I miss playing this game but everytime I watch these videos I'm reminded of the love that I had with the game and the issues I had with it aswell. The maul throwing me into spikes or off the map, the cavalry running everything over, the clunky combat.. its a love hate relationship

Even though there are more popular youtubers, you are my favorite. Keep up with the good content!

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude appreciate the kind words :)

I feel like part of the issue here, was you weren't using one of the Longbows best features: Cover commander. Slap them into that savespot, put faith in the fortebraccios who'd dedicated themselves to defending you and those namkhans, and go down to help on point. The longbows would be defending your back and you could go ham, knowing nothing but a hero or shield unit could really come near you without making a mistake.

@noblegamer871

3 жыл бұрын

I think you’re right in this situation, if he kept to the treb safe spot on the left of the wall he would’ve been fine in this particular case as there was only ever one treb that came close and 0 return fire. It’s still a risk though as you give up control of your units position and you’ll never have good enough situational awareness to save them if something goes wrong.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

That's a fair point, I guess I felt like I'd had to any games where I leave them where I thought they were safe only to find them die, but that's properly more down to bad positioning. It's all made worse by the fact I'm not really much of an archer player, now in not recording I'll likly just go back to melee units :)

GG in the duel In the season 5 event today, I decided to clip it along with a few others that i could have saved from it, since some of them isnt saving for some reason. Glad to see you around some more, we need to duel again sometime soon

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

It was a fun duel! and was good to be able to start testing the new S5 stuff :D

Vassal Longbows, Incendiary Archers, and Imperial Archers are my go-to ranged units. I nearly always make sure to have one of those three in my warband.

looking great! now I wanna unlock them too XD with just 1 unit, 160++ kills, that's really impressive!

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

They can certainly be very effective, just gotta be careful because they can be quite situational and easy to get yourself killed with them

I probably shouldn't be telling anyone this... but Vassal Longbowmen are the best archer in the game. Why? When you use their Overwatch ability it puts up a range circle (as you noticed), but what you don't know... that is NOT the Vassal Longbowman's maximum range... not even close to it. Vassal Longbowmen can fire at nearly any range - indeed out to the maximum travel distance of arrows themselves (where the arrows de-spawn mid flight). Next time you use them, ignore the range indicator and tell them to Overwatch into an area beyond the highlighted white circle. You can also control their direct fire or indirect fire using the range indicator. If you tell them to fire outside of their range indicator they ALWAYS lob their arrows up, allowing you to fire OVER WALLS ENTIRELY to hit units in courtyards, or to keep them away from the edge of walls (thus making them immune to counter fire and safer from trebs). Finally, you don't have to pick up the accuracy in the top tree (thus saving them 10% decreased attack speed) - and when you pick up the 25% attack speed increase from the unit tree it more than makes up any DPS difference between them and Namkan Archers. (Rare Archery Doctrine gives 10% accuracy without an attack speed penalty as well).

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Some good tips! I'll be sure to test these out next time i've got my longbows out :)

@Vernas_R

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming I look forward to any feedback when you try that out! After Monastic Knights, I'm going straight for longbows.

@danielgrad6576

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to be a dick to your team take them to battle

No word about their second skill, which is also quite unique in that they target enemies close to your hero? Have you ever tried that? Sounds useful for a Melee class.

This is one of my favorite units, great for anti-T5 range.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

It does work well for that!

@psychogirly910

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you have to look out for falconetti still ? (I'm a bit of a new player so if I'm completely wrong don't hesitate to tell me :))

ALso a good question is yshould you stick to a melee class when using this unit as a primary. Pro: - you can defend against heros and melee units - you can get stuck in the fight with you melee units if your longbowmen die Contra: - if you had a bow yourself you could participate in the damage dealt (remember that these pros and cons are weighted on your personal prefence, thus how many pros vs. cons there are does not nessesarily determine the outcome)

A thought just occurred to me about the upcoming (at some point) Golden Era unit that is after Longbowmen on the Unit Tree. What if it's another Longbow unit, that has the range of Vassal Longbowmen, but also has an alternate ammo option? If they go that route, I think the most appropriate option would be Bodkins/Armor-Piercing arrows like Imperial Archers have in this game.

I never see this map in normal siege. Why they create a map but only allow it on event. It doesnt make sense

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

It was origionally created for the territory wars main city map but they very occasionally allow it into rotation

love them on certain maps ... the ultimate long range-antirange ;) at arround 6.30 min .... you put youre archer (before treb) together with that other archers on wall ... you can alsochoose to put youre archers out of treb reach if you go up the stairs right in front of the side gate ;) (also closer to supply there and youre able to close gate if you need to retreat if people come up ladder) from there you can easily hit the supply down (capped fast by enemy anyway) as well as shooting the stairs they come up nxt to B ;) ... longbows are worth it if used correctly .. they still have a very high damage output and they need less micromanagement then other archers, so you can do more youreself as hero... ow and this map is very nice for imp javis ;) i just stick to gate-supply andrain down javis everywhere

What map is this? I havent seen it in the rotation in forever.

I was watching this older video today morning!

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

:-) and now updated with hopefully a slightly better review!

@KonLud

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming yeah and also they are elite and maxed compared to the level 6 or 7 before

all mele should go for a mele unit, only range get range. just best practice, especially for TW

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I generally think I agree! (Which is why i dont normally play ranged, but needs must for the video:)

@mandragoras6933

3 жыл бұрын

I agree too, but a friend of mine playing Maul he is really happy using Kriegstat guns in the background and killing enemies at the same time himself, especially in def

@mitoma31

3 жыл бұрын

*Me with my longbow casually whiping a ranged unit whilst the meelee enemy player tries to get them to safety*: naaaa meelee players should definitely play ranged units

Vassal Longbow needs a lot of archer unit from the enemy team to contribute their worth. Which is out of your control. I will always recommend prefecture archer (hybrid line) or namkhans (with arrow rain doctrine, frontier) more than the T4s because I almost always choose arquebusiers at this leadership range. But I do want to have a test of whether Imperials are better than arquebusiers though.

Use god of battles with glaive when using longbows. Damage buff makes them so good

Winning is winning no matter what you do

Lvl 1066 in a game where you showed off longbowmen :'D

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Haha some hastings longbows XD

@kotsosmpalitsos1615

3 жыл бұрын

oh yea... Thats a sign

@waughy9103

3 жыл бұрын

English longbows won wars

@waughy9103

3 жыл бұрын

If you have watched the king they use longbows the

I am yet to unlock these, on the list. But I do like the idea of them, however do have the same issue of being melee so hanging around my archers isn't the greatest. I do however like the idea of how they can focus enemies around you while you're out fighting. But it's kind of a trap in a way because it sounds good sure, but.. It leaves them open to being wiped out.. Also, not sure how much you have noticed this, but Archers at least on my end have A LOT of issues shooting off walls due to the ledge. I mean they can clearly see over it, but oh no can't shoot sir, there is a waist high wall in the way which is literally designed for Archers to shoot through & have some form of protection, we can't shoot through that.. Also, been holding onto a Archer Doc which increases range by 5m, it's not a lot so haven't decided if it's really worth putting it on these guys considering their range anyway. Also also, really wish they would add this map to the rotation more. Never played on the map, although I guess might now that we can take it in the open world but doubt it. Looks pretty good though & looks like a heap of work went into making the map so kind of a waste not to get used. I've only been on one map that is about as big as this one, don't know what it's called, but is the one with the little fort out front that has a bridge to the main fort.

Are you using medium or heavy armour for your glaive?

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

heavy :)

@berkayazmak1045

3 жыл бұрын

Evo Loz Gaming do u have the glaive armor set?

If you're running a range unit as Glaive shouldn't you pick up the Allied unit attack Power buff?

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I have since switch to the attack buff ability :)

Hi, i need help please : What happen of range stats if i use vassal and Bowstring Doctrine V in conqueror's blade versus range of falconneti gunner ? If both are max range ? Who will have the best range ? From stats range ? Please

love how you used advert footage

What unit have the high range in level max in all season ? I love range soldiers ! I want the best range, only one. I want the range from stats range ! Help please

What is this map bro? Been playing since late S5 and ive never seen it. Great vid!

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

This is actually the conquerors city map, it's still in territory wars but not currently in the siege map queue

@LordBaronsworth

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming damn thats too bad. Maybe they'll bring it back next season?

what was the button that lets archers target a specific area, I kinda forgot.

@hicrazy3279

3 жыл бұрын

1

Hey! did you experience any problems with the Mail.ru client? ive heard alot of bad things about it..

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I've not had any issues in the past 1.5 years i've been playing. I think people got upset because the anti cheat tracks you IP location but then I thin most modern MMO's also do this

@SpaceMarshalPhobos

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming Alright thanks. =) ive had the same issue with blood of steel but there the game atleast tells you its data collection system might not be *legal* in your country

Can someone tell me the name of this map? Its beautiful

Imo, a player has been worth it around 100 unit kills, for a melee hero to be worth it with ranged units id say situational. If the player goes help on point when needed id say yes, but some players stay up all the time, even when it loses them the game.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a hard balance to get, generally now the recording is done for the archers i think I'll go back melee, have enjoyed them but I just prefer playing melee :)

@dutchskink5414

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming reapers?🙃

Longbows do more dmg in near if u dont choose the range skilltree

Please tell us and how much a kit cost so we can make an idea if they are worth it.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Ooh i'd have to check ingame but it'll be about 3500 to 4000 bronze

I don’t know, I’m always either a musket or melee unit user, and whenever I use an archer unit I get kind of guilty

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly the same which is why I mentioned it in the video, feel like I should be done in the fighting! But now the video is sorted I can return to my normal melee units :-D

Prefecture archer's double shot also tracks I believe

@mohammadtarek7209

3 жыл бұрын

do you mean the rain arrow?

I got an level 12 men at arms unit. Can I still promote them to the new season unit?

@r6zoar441

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

Sucks that my guild banned them from tw but given the current cav metta, i cant really complain.

I feel you are thinking about the usefulness of the longbows all wrong. Every hit on an advancing unit is less health that the mele unit down on the point has to remove. 2 of the same units at 8k health are going to basically trade pretty evenly excluding better commanding. 2 same units going at each other one at 8k and one at 4k and still being peppered by ranged fire are not boing to have the same result. Chances are the higher health unit is going to wipe the lower health enemy and still be able to fight another unit or get more models back to the supply to heal up.

I love them, they seem to be the only archer that behaves like i would assume an archer unit should. I wish they'd implement a small version of overwatch on the Attack Area ability. The only time i really want them as my unit is when the enemy has archers and are shooting my team's melee troops their anti archer abilities are just so good it saves your team quite the headache. A tip if you will is that when you are on highground you do a bit more damage and you can actually aim at targets outside of the blue circle, the arrow flight time will be long but they won't fire back at least. Also what do you think of the conq city map, i absolutely hate it.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know what you mean with the behave like an archer should and I agree, makes for brilliant anti range unit! I found the conq city map worked well for these long bows so playing it hasn't been to bad as of yet, I think trying to grind a different unit type would have been painful!

I don't mind if there are 2-3 heroes who stay back micromanaging their archer And move when there's no one to shoot, you actually do much damage, and it's very useful More than 4 heroes then it's pretty harsh for the flag defense team. But it would be more effective if you're using a ranged weapon too, to maximize the damage output There're worse people who just left their longbowman in the supply depot Hoping to get an easy kill, but most of the time they just idling

@otrof6203

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, up to 4 people doing this is perfectly fine, but trust me when i say that i have seen around 25 archer units in a single team, or basically 11 people running mostly archers. imagine how that turned out lol

@CindysCuriosityTV

2 жыл бұрын

I hate those people babysitting their units.. i think they learn it from Evo..

Game looks great for F2P, watched a couple of your vids (which I have enjoyed!) and I'm tempted to try it. BUT previous experiences with Russian F2P games kinda puts me off as they are usually designed to hook you then smack you with a soul destroying grind to try and force you into getting premium services which end up costing you way more than a triple A title after just a year of play. TLDR: can I realistically play this game long-term without a premium account and still progress at a reasonable rate without sinking 1000s of hours like yourself? Also, are the micro transactions still cosmetic only or am I going up against players who have wallet warriors at their disposal? Sorry for the long comment, and thankyou in advance for any replies! Much love.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

There is a decent grind yes, so i'd say sort of 50/50 on that front, don't really need a premium account though and yes microtransaction are still really only cosmetic. In short i'd say yes there are elements of what you fear but compared to many f2p games this isn't to bad

@munkymunk9053

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming Thank you very much for the quick response, I have noticed you take alot of time to reply to your viewers which is a rare and awesome thing to see! I'm gonna give the game a bash n see if it pulls me in. Don't get me wrong, if I enjoy it then I'll probably get a couple months premium to support the dev team as I do with any game I play but I just don't need another WoT or War Thunder grind in my life right now! You earned my sub and if you have an affiliate link or something for the game that I can use to help you out then I'd be more than happy to do that! Cheers.

worth getting in season 7?

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm, i'd be tempted to say probobly not

Level 1066! Important year for us brits. I like what you said about feeling somewhat useless with ranged, even when racking up so much damage and so many kills, I agree. I feel much more integral when I'm standing on a flag with a sword unit and getting 20 kills, than if I were to sit back with archers and get 10 times that

Which is the best archer unit

@musabumair8819

3 жыл бұрын

Namkhan

i just realized thaqt i have a doctrin which gives me 100 points more dmg to range and 100 points less dmg taken from range units that seems to be the best perk for the Longbows... maybe i get them later eddit: i just relized this doctrin is just for cav and Sword infantry.... for what unit should i use this purple doctrin?

@otrof6203

3 жыл бұрын

probably something like those wolves from new season, if they can be put on them of course, other than that probably some smaller unit u can throw into the archers, because any high tier units kill them anyway without taking much damage so the doctrine isnt that useful and last thing is if u want to use that 100 damage less thing then u can put them on any unit, but then maybe just piercing defence is better, or u can put both if u have doctrine space, in that case put them on any unit you use!

@leckteck5694

3 жыл бұрын

@@otrof6203 jeah i thought about my green horses ironcaps because they get soo much dmg from archers thats crazy but i need to put the green health away then

@otrof6203

3 жыл бұрын

@@leckteck5694 tough choice, maybe on some blue unit that u use then

what will be the tier 5 archers?

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully one day but as of yet unknown

@drizzitdude

3 жыл бұрын

Unknown, isn't in the sea version either. I honestly cannot imagine how they could possibly improve on the longbow itself, it was the quintessential ranged weapon in the middle age. My guess is they will do a similar upgrade to the arquebusier and give them an armor improvement (most likely a Brigadine) and a sword. The only other improvement I can possibly think of is to give them the ability to also shoot fire arrows which would make sense from a tech tree standpoint.

Vasals are to be left alone. You put them in a spot where they arc their shots and you go do your hero business with cover commander button. Its the only way vasals can get you the unit kills and damage potential of prefectures and namkhans which realy need babysitting.

I think longbow get a bonus if enemies are close enough.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

What to damage?

@jordanhefley7365

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming I think so, but maybe it was Penetration...

Do you know a way to lower ping in conquerers blade?

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure of anyways to specifically lower ping, i'm normally around 50 to 80

@notnot-kq1uj

3 жыл бұрын

Ok

Conqourers blade won't launch it says update can't install

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe try verifying install?

Could you do a vid about prefecture vs vanguard?

@kotsosmpalitsos1615

3 жыл бұрын

perfecture. dont even think.

@Rezisstance

2 жыл бұрын

@@kotsosmpalitsos1615 what about now?

this my fav range unit too , i have increase range doctrine is it good to use it with this archer, about the play style i see many people prefer to play range unit (in my Asia pacific server) and i can't blame them the game design about repair cost of archer unit is quite cheap than melee and the fact that they didn't die much compare to melee unit. the Dev should change something about unit kit damage.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Good point about the kit damage! We dont get the extra range doctrine on our servers so I've been running the extra accuracy :)

The olso outrange falconeti

lev 1066.......lmao

For anyone watching this video right now, never bring Vassal Longbows into a siege please.. they're useless right now.

I think that playing all archers as a melee hero is very boring. You don't contribute versus heroes majority od the time either. I think that it's only viable to use archers if you're a bow. But bow class is already not that great.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I do largely agree which Is why i'm almost always melee units but was interesting to try out the longbows for the video for a change

Only 2 archer worth using. Nahm Kahns, and Imperial Archers. anything else does no damage to armor.

@Ol_White_Fatalis

3 жыл бұрын

Vassals are better than imperials lol

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Vessels hit pretty hard to most armored units due to their high ap value but they dont have the greatest rate of fire

@Eunjuls

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvoLozGaming Honestly though Imps have higher thoretical dps, the overwatch mechanic often lets my longbowmen do more damage due to the tracking.

I beg you make a video telling people to not play longbows they are useless for the amount of leadership they cost.

@EvoLozGaming

3 жыл бұрын

They can be useful in some circumstances they are a great anti range unit. Perhaps people often bring them and just get killed very quickly though

@MiguelMedina-hb1oo

Жыл бұрын

Again in war nothing is useless only poor leadership. If you don't play them right it's your own fault.

@danielgrad6576

Жыл бұрын

There is no utility gap for them. other units will do something they were supposed to better for less leadership or with better performace and will be less derpy. This unit starts to shoot at the closest enemy without line of sight while they were orderd to shoot at a position(that range is around 30) Arc of fire is fucked up (arrow arcs from longbows should be curved (like arrow rain from prefecture yet it is so flat that you cant hit wall with it) . There is literally few positions you can place them and enemy has to braindead to put their ranged there and go somewhere else becouse in 90% of cases that posistion is also trebable. And bringing them on the attack is even worse becouse you want enemy teams to sit with 10/15 archers and do nothing while you defend. while remaining 5 players die constantly becouse that 10 idiots decided to go ranged. The only moment this unit was ever good was when there were bearly any purple units and open world was 15vs15. There you could kill tons becouse you otranged anything and slowly bleed the enemy. Also longbow is a weapon that is supposed to shred heavy armour do they do it in this game? NO. This is and always was the weakest purple unit in the game, and is outperformed by most blue units and even some green.