Fair review with multiple points laid out very well in an honest manner. Much prefer Richard’s reviews and review style

@opinali

9 ай бұрын

I only didn't understand the editorial decision of leading with power/efficiency scores.

@TeranToola

9 ай бұрын

@@opinali If you live in the US the power difference between the 4070 and the 7800XT will have almost no effect on you. In Europe, being 50W more efficient can add up over a few years

@IMan_93_

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@opinaliBecause in the US power draw isn’t that much of a concern for most people

@opinali

9 ай бұрын

@@TeranToolaI'm not disputing the utility of this information, but it's secondary at best - FPS scores and also price/performance are way more important for the vast majority of gamers. Almost all GPU reviews present power efficiency as a footnote by the end of the story. Placing that stuff in the opening/lede exacerbates its importance, this is basic editorial technique. I am a big an and supporter of DF, but things like this don't help the channel's reputation of NVidia favoritism.

@Veritas.0

9 ай бұрын

@@opinali KZread: You have to make them stay for at least 5 minutes. ^ That's why.

I'm very curious to see FSR 3, but AMD bringing good value is a start!

@iurigrang

9 ай бұрын

​@UnrealStutterEngineI wasn't either, but DF said it looks comparable to dlss fg, while still being very critical of fsr upscaling. So I am far more optimistic for that

@AM5artor

9 ай бұрын

@UnrealStutterEngine I think the same. Although it has the advantage of running in any GPU, FSR2 is still a dithering mess. Jedi Survivor looks awful.

@Pand0rasAct0r_

9 ай бұрын

@UnrealStutterEngine at 1080p sure. at 1440p barely noticeable and at 4k you wont notice a difference at all unless its really badly implemented

@Loxly-ti4sq

9 ай бұрын

​@UnrealStutterEngine If i get framegen with the quality of FSR2 i'd take that any day of the weak even with inferior image quality compared to DLSS.

@thataintfalco7106

9 ай бұрын

@@AM5artortbf that is Jedi survivor

I upgraded to all AMD, and I couldn't be happier. I was able to buy a new monitor, keyboard, mouse, m.2 drives, etc, with the money I saved.

@Yerinjibbang

9 ай бұрын

nice W

@F1neW1ne

9 ай бұрын

I have a 7900XT and 5800X3D and the experience has been perfect for the most part. In the very rare cases where I wanted upscaling, FSR2 Quality mode works fine as far as I can see. I know DLSS is a tad cleaner but like I said I rarely even need to upscale.

@axeld00m

7 ай бұрын

​@@F1neW1newhich sort of games do you need to upscale with fsr2 on?

@F1neW1ne

7 ай бұрын

@@axeld00m Well good point not many for me at all for 1440P Ultra. I have a channel full of videos even with RT enabled getting huge fps with no upscaling at all in all games. Funny huh. Although I do/did use XESS Ultra Quality mode in CP 2077 with RT Ultra enabled to hold 60+ fps. And in Lords of the fallen I instead used 80% resolution scale without FSR (looks as good as DLSS Quality mode) as I play that on Ultra 1440P and like it with over 100 fps.

You could use Frames per Joule rather than Joules per Frame, to line up with Frames per Second. And then one FPJ could be called one Leadbetter. Though you did popularise frame time, so frame energy is probably fair enough. A Leadbetter can be one Joule per Frame then :)

@gozutheDJ

9 ай бұрын

no one knows what the fuck a Joule is

@djsist

9 ай бұрын

​@@gozutheDJPeople with any form of formal education would know. You seem to be blessedly unburdened by that. Cheers

@TheFezIsAwesome

9 ай бұрын

​@@gozutheDJI think it can be inferred that it is a unit of energy from the comparisons, which is all you need to know to draw a conclusion from it.

@JaimeIsJaime

9 ай бұрын

The values would be something like 0.19 Frames per Joule. It's a good idea but I don't think it would have a good presentation of the data

@TheBadoctopus

9 ай бұрын

​@@gozutheDJWatt do you mean?

As a hold out on the GTX 1060, the AMD option does look good to me. I've played through TLoU 1 using FSR 2 and found it a surprisingly good experience all things considered. I'm glad raytracing is happening in games but it does look like it needs a few more years before it can be taken seriously as an option as i think we need more headroom in GPU performance than exists currently.

Cool review. But what I really want is more optimized games. The bells and whistles can come after we get the basics back.

What I dont like is how on AMD reviews they always bring a "counter point" as in "but NVIDIA is faster in RT", I wonder if on future NVIDIA product launches they would also bring a counterpoint like "but AMD is faster in rasterization", considering how 90%+ games still use pure raster as their main render way.

Excellent review showcasing the strengths of each card well

I use Reshade in most games so i would rather have pure rasterization headroom and more vram. AMD seems like the best option. And still interested in seeing FSR 3 as well.

@yeshuayahushua4338

8 ай бұрын

Are you proud now?

Damn, this was a really good review. I just ordered a 7800XT because for me frames are the highest priority and make the largest impact on my experience BUT this definitely got me thinking about where the other visual aspects should be on my priority list. My personal experience with GPUs over the last 5 ish years has been that no matter which team color you choose there are going to be scenarios were you will regret your purchase, be it due to drivers or upscaling or FPS count.

@GraveUypo

9 ай бұрын

i had a 6900xt and now i have an rtx 4080. all i'll say is that everything is blown out of proportion on the internet. DLSS isn't nearly as superior to FSR as people say most of the time (i'd say on average, fsr2 is 85% as good), not anywhere near enough to be a deal breaker. and you shouldn't use this channel to guide your purchases. to look for hardware unboxed and gamer nexus reviews instead, they have a much more grounded and neutral view on matters than the RT-zombies at digital foundry. plus, you're right that no matter which brand you pick, there are regrets. right now, i just can't get good frame pacing in genshin impact on this rtx 4080, it just stutters like MAD because nvidia sucks at freesync in windowed mode. i've tried everything, it's just impossible to get rid of the frame pace issues. I had no such issues with AMD, so my experience has objectively been downgraded A LOT in that particular game. meanwhile, this is much better for starfield because of the dlss 3 framegen mod, and also performs significantly better at ratchet & clank just naturally and my god do I HATE nvidia's control panel. It's laggy, it has a terrible interface, it's messy, it's missing a ton of features... It's just worse in all aspects compared to AMD's adrenalin. But! this RTX 4080 allows me to play with AI much more easily and faster, which is the entire reason i'm rocking this and not an rx 7900 xtx (this awesome galax 4080 i bought was discounted 32% so they were the same price). To me, the AI bit makes nvidia worth it, and DLSS is a really nice bonus. but the thing is i love playing around with many types of AI, but i don't think most people even touch this stuff, so the biggest argument in favor of nvidia kinda goes down the drain. It becomes a much closer battle which i think you should probably look at specific games you play to make the decision. i don't particularly like most of nvidia's lineup because of the shitty amounts of VRAM and bad pricing, so from nvidia the only cards i would even consider are the 4070 (non-ti), the 3080 12gb, the 3090 (great buy if you can find a nicely priced one), 4080 and the 4090. right now, i think nvidia's getting their ass handed to them in the 4070 range, but the price drop improves the situation a lil bit.

@KatamuroTheFirst

9 ай бұрын

Watching many of the vidoes over the past few weeks where FSR2 is compared to DLSS and it's really hard for me to see the difference for most of these comparisons. The one clear one where there was flickering on lights. For me the choice when upgrading from rtx2070 was clear, I chose 7800xt because at it's price point it was offering the best performance gain and the best longevity. Because I am planning to stick with my current build until the next console generation is released +1 year. Because that's when the game devs usually have their big jump in requirements.

@BtappinHD

9 ай бұрын

@@KatamuroTheFirst With the Starfield mod in particular, I found that the FSR2 implementation is actually better than the DLSS mod because the DLSS mod washes the image, flattens the lighting in a lot of places, making it look more cartoonish, plus it's buggy and causes the game to randomly gray screen. I honestly don't know why people would prefer this mod over the integrated FSR, having used both of them. You made a good choice with the 7800XT

@adi6293

9 ай бұрын

@@GraveUypo I 100% agree, here all you hear is DLSS and RT, it's really annoying and FSR2 is good enough for like 80% of people

@TeranToola

9 ай бұрын

@@KatamuroTheFirst Alex, being a big Nvidia fan, looks for situations where DLSS and FSR2 look more like a massive difference. Usually this is performance FSR2 vs performance DLSS. I don’t think this is a legitimate scenario as DLSS Performance looks quite bad to me. FSR2 Performance looks much worse of course, but no one is buying a 40 series or 7000 series card to crank upscaling up to destitute levels, and won’t for years. I’d rather have more VRAM myself. In my testing DLSS Quality is in a league of its own with basically native image quality. FSR2 Quality and DLSS balanced look similar. I don’t find FSR2 balanced or DLSS performance to be pleasing even at 4K and I would look to increase FPS some other way if I had to. When the AMD card is around 15% faster on average at rasterization, reality is that makes up the difference between DLSS and FSR upscaling, having a faster native framerate is superior to upscaling methods that may or may not be included into a game. I’m pretty optimistic about FSR3 FG competing well with DLSS3 FG. I do have a concern with Ray Reconstruction being an unmatched feature, though AMD should put more work into FSR temporal upsampling as well if they want FSR2 to remain competitive.

Jensen’s way too absorbed with the finishing touches of Skynet to respond to us petty gamers right now

Another advantage that the amd cards have, which most reviews miss, is the better compatibility with Linux.!

@funbrute31

9 ай бұрын

Good news for the the 0,1 % of users using it

@reav3rtm

9 ай бұрын

​​@@funbrute31Statistics is irrelevant if you are the person "affected". Linux users will not stop being Linux users to buy Nvidia hw. But they can for sure stop being Nvidia users.

@dukenukeman

9 ай бұрын

And a disadvantage running direct x 9 games

@platinum2905

9 ай бұрын

​@@reav3rtmor they can switch to the more superior OS😂

@tyre1337

9 ай бұрын

@@funbrute31 aligns with the amount of users who play with ray tracing on

It's aggravating that we have to choose between VRAM and the superior upscaling tech, but that's where things are. For the games I play, I think I'd still take DLSS. Also the 4070's impressive power efficiency is nothing to sneeze at.

@mikem2253

9 ай бұрын

Leather jacket boy be like “buy a 4090 and have it all!”

@TelicSyndrome

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's annoying that Nvidia didn't equip the 4070 with 16gb of ram, and it's equally as annoying that AMD is so far behind in RT performance and upscaling tech.

@Darksjeik

9 ай бұрын

That was my thought exactely before I pulled the trigger on a 4070ti. The 12GB hasn’t been an issue yet since the upscaling/frame gen tech is exceptional and lessens the need for excessive amounts of VRAM. I play Cyberpunk max settings, WITH full path tracing at 1440p 80-90 fps. DLSS set to balanced and frame gen on. and it only uses around 9.5 GB VRAM. The experience is amazingly smooth.

@tyre1337

9 ай бұрын

@@Darksjeik your $900 2023 gpu can play a 2020 game at 1484x835 without maxing the vram? amazing

@Vadym-Vadym

9 ай бұрын

@@tyre1337 Cyberpunk 2077 PT - is 2023 tech, and yes, 4070Ti Can play this tech with 100fps, neither one of AMD's High-End offering can do the same

Great perspectives as usual. From my own perspective, my personal setup is on an ultrawide display at 3440x1440, and I aim to be around 90FPS whenever possible. I love high end PC graphics and cant get enough of RT and HDR gaming, so I went for the RTX 4080 after having a RX6800 for a short while, and I dont regret it one bit. Gaming in 2023 to me means enabling RT and DLSS in Quality mode, or if the game isnt too demanding Ill use DLAA since I'm more and more thinking of it as the full TAA replacement. ALL of that said, when building gaming PCs for my nephews, I'm going to be considering AMD first, because they're gaming at 1080p or 1440p and cant be bothered to go into settings and make sure things are running properly. They're just not interested, so why spend the extra money? In the end though, doing reviews purely on rasterization, or going in with RT enabled but no upscaler just does not reflect the reality of the PC gaming market. I'm still not fully on-board with frame generation, but I will say I do now leave it enabled on Witcher 3 Complete Edition and absolutely will use it in Cyberpunk 2.0. Bottom line is that it has to be considered as a core part of the experience at this point, at least probably for anyone watching Digital Foundry.

@1vaultdweller

8 ай бұрын

"Gaming in 2023 to me means enabling RT " Dude, very few games implement RT to a satisfactory extent. It's a gimmick. Always been

Have a 4070Ti in my main Windows PC and as of a couple of days ago a 7800XT in my SteamOS console PC. Both cards are definitely beasts for my needs, and with an AMD card kind of being the sole "plug and play" option for Linux w/o fighting with different driver revisions depending on the game, the 7800XT was the best choice in my case for my Xbox/PS replacement console PC gaming setup.

@fionnmaccuill415

8 ай бұрын

I want to do this with the 7800xt. Any tips?

@confounded_feline

7 ай бұрын

Whats your set up for your console PC? What systems are you playing?

One of the best reviews I've seen from you Rich. Really interesting to consider the tradeoffs right now.

I have the 7800 XT since release and so far it performs really good

@Phil_529

9 ай бұрын

Wooo 6800XT performance for $150 cheaper 3 years later. So good! 🙃

@GraveUypo

9 ай бұрын

@@Phil_529 better than 6800-nonXT performance for $50 more 3 years later with nvidia.

@RetroProg

9 ай бұрын

@@Phil_529 Err yeah, it is, look at the horrific price gouging at the top end of the market, the 4080 being twice the price of a 3080. This is the first card this gen from either company that is priced where it should be.

@Phil_529

9 ай бұрын

@@RetroProg 4070 cards were sellng for $600 and came with a $100 Steam gift card on day 1 through Microcenter. Let's not pretend that any of these are good deals. Also 3080 was $700 at best (often much more) so 4080 while horrible at $1200 isn't twice the price.

@Phil_529

9 ай бұрын

@@GraveUypo Uh huh. Let's see how the 7800XT stacks up against Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty vs the 4070 in a few days. 1 will be able to play it path traced and the other one will not. ;)

I ended up ordering RX 7800 XT for 659€ since I rarely play games with RT and RTX 4070 with similar cooler costs 789€ here. I got more VRAM and 8% more FPS in 1440p and I lose DLSS and better RT performance. Also free Starfield is a nice bonus.

@slayerr4365

9 ай бұрын

Can I ask why you are buying a 600+ euro card to play rasta only? No flame or brand wars I am just genuinely curious about people who buy "mid"/high end cards to only play basic rasterization in games especially single player games.

@Kevlord22

9 ай бұрын

@@slayerr4365 Isn't that what makes sense? At least to my knowledge. If you don't care much for upscaling or RT, amd got better price/performance with more vram at this price range. I am also planning to buy a 7800 xt for that reason, even through where i live 4070 in price is not that far away. Thou 4070 is not a bad choice either anyhow.

@slayerr4365

9 ай бұрын

@@Kevlord22 Good luck playing games going forward without upscaling lol.

@jamesg8246

9 ай бұрын

@@slayerr4365 Are you high? FSR3 with Fluid Frames and AntiLag+ is currently rolling out for the 7xxx series AMD cards and even according to Digital Foundry, it appears to be equivalent to DLSS now. Nvidia doesn't have the market cornered on upscaling tech. Only raytracing.

@Thretau

9 ай бұрын

@@slayerr4365I’m willing to sacrifice on RT to get better performance in other games, which still are 90% of the games. Also some games has RT implementation that runs fine on AMD cards like Metro, RE4, Doom Eternal. My RTX 2070 served me well the past 4,5 years.

So as someone who upgraded from a 3080 10Gb to a 7900 XTX, this is a summary of my experience. So at native 4k with ray tracing I'd say my performance is about on par with the 3080 at 1440p in most titles. Additionally in every game where I've required upscaling the 3080 resolved a better image. With that said I have not needed to rely on upscaling nearly as much as I did with the 3080. Obviously the 7900xtx is a more powerful card when it comes to rasterization, but I will say it has been far more enjoyable to get high framerates at a native resolution than being able to crank RT with DLSS. As Great as DLSS is I find native gameplay to be much more pleasant to the eye, regardless of what extra quality DLSS will allow for

@Safetytrousers

9 ай бұрын

RTX 3.5 is a game changer.

@jakejoyride

9 ай бұрын

Same. Only native resolution

@franchezvibritannia7320

9 ай бұрын

is it out yet @@Safetytrousers ?

@mechanicalmonk2020

9 ай бұрын

You're also comparing a 2023 $1000 card with a 2020 $700 card which can now be bought for around $350.

@Safetytrousers

9 ай бұрын

TechPowerUp has DLSS 3.5 on their site.@@franchezvibritannia7320

Isn't AMD planning a new version of FSR pretty soon? Do you plan on comparing that when it happens? With how much emphasis you placed on DLSS at the end of the video, it seems like doing so would be prudent.

@ntomnia585

9 ай бұрын

I'd think they would be chomping at the bit in anticipation.

One of the best reviews I've seen on the current mid range gpus. Sub and like earned and collected. I have yet to use upscaling much. I got a card good enough, I would not need it....

I think for AMD to fully compete on equal terms they need to take the same approach as Intel with XeSS. Have one type of FSR that is open and for all and have a more advanced one that can use on card tech to give a much better solution on its own GPU's. As an AMD user I am quite curious to see how FSR 3 will pan out as it sounds like they might be doing something that only works on RDNA 3 cards.

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

AMD doesn't have any AI acceleration on any of its chips. Right now analytic solutions are all they can do. That's the whole crux of the issue.

@abaivovin2726

9 ай бұрын

@@Wobbothe3rd Pretty sure the 7900 XTX does have dedicated AI now, i assume it runs through all the RDNA3. At least it stated as having it but they are several generations behind Nvidia with it.

@mechanicalmonk2020

9 ай бұрын

FSR does great when it's used as designed. It's when people (or devs) start using it to upscale 720p to 4k that the issues start to become noticable in gameplay.

@Turbotef

9 ай бұрын

@@Wobbothe3rd The 7800/7700 XT actually does come with AI accelerator cores now. I have a feeling FSR3 is going to make these two cards sing quite well when using that feature.

most games releasing today don't have upscaling even implemented, and until thats industry standard I think its fair for reviews to focus on rasterization for now.

"Joules per frame" - ahhh....takes me back down memory lane.... physics tutor in college 😆

Frankly I'd have been better off going with AMD instead of my RTX 3070 last gen but I was so obsessed with getting DLSS and good RT. Now I am feeling the pain of having only 8gb of VRAM. Due to this I've now avoided several PC games I was looking forward to, especially RE4 remake. I suspect many people who buy nvidia's budget and mid-range GPU's this gen will feel the pain in a year or two.

I think the AI tech that Nvidia is spearheading is the future of game rendering so I'm not negative about it in itself, but I do wonder how much of the price we pay for their cards is going straight to funding their R&D department rather than actually covering the cost of the cards...

What is the Temperatur from the sapphire pulse ingame? Is the card loud or quiet? Need a silent pc.

Now I'm just missing a part in the video about Workstation performance. I'm looking into the 7800xt and 4070 for my current pc as a hybrid between gaming and being able to do 3d design & I can't find any good comparison for that.

just in time digital foundry when i'm browsing the catalog shopping for gpu's and i'm going with the 7800xt

I upgraded from a 2070 and got a 7800xt on launch. Yes nVidia has better RT, but there a lot of games that don't use RT and the gap to 4070 was just too much for my budget. And where possible I prefer not to run upscalling. So for my needs the 7800xt fit right into what I was looking for when upgrading. It was at the upper limit of my budget and it beat similarly priced nVidia cards in running games (without RT). And yeah, once the reviews came out and showed the 7700xt performance in comparison that card was off the table as an option. For me it wasn't worth saving the 50 bucks.

@DankJr

9 ай бұрын

I concur.

I'd really like to get a 7800 XT but I really need a viable alternative to NVENC for H.264.

@CantankerousDave

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, AMD’s equivalent is visibly worse at the same bitrate in Handbrake encodes.

How about listing the total bandwidth i/o just the bitwidth and VRAM speed in the reviews?

I hope FSR 3 delivers (I'm keeping my expectations real low though 😶).

@TelicSyndrome

9 ай бұрын

I'm just happy it releases before black friday so that by then we can have a good comparison between FSR3 and DLSS to see which is better.

I will buy the RX 7800XT, cause I can't support the anticonsumer policy of Nvidia. They are doing everything they can to squeeze us as much as possible with giving us as little as possible. I refuse to reward them with my money for that

Brutally honest info, nice one man!

Really like the focus on efficiency!

competition is when two companies control the whole market

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

Intel just jumped in.

Love the video. Pricewars good for all! No matter what brand you feel loyal to.

What cpu and ram were used in this video?

sapphire is awesome. i've never had a bad sapphire card. if you can go with sapphire, go with it.

What interests me the most is how low the energy consumption of 4050 can be reduced

@RaulTecar

8 ай бұрын

If you undervolt it and put it outside, you can use it as a solar cell

I'm a noticed whennit comes to AMD an Nvidia. I'm running 4070 an a Ryzen 5800X3D. I LOVE DLSS I can't see giving that up for FSR. regardless of AMD cards looking like a much better value. And DLSS 3.5 with frame gen! I frickin love this feature!

@jamesg8246

9 ай бұрын

The new FSR 3 features apparently put the AMD 7XXX series cards on par with DLSS...catch up.

@domeberlin4480

9 ай бұрын

@@jamesg8246 hahaha never my friend was here at gamescom have seen fsr 3 in real live they showed a specific demo and it wasnt near dlss 3.0 and nvidia releases 3.5 soon

You know with a rtx 4070 class the first thing to turn off is rt or path tracing on the new games to get those frames up, now dlss is worth the extra $50

@mohyari3075

9 ай бұрын

Why do that when you can get a better than native picture and higher frame rate using the full suite of technologies Nvidia offers even with an rtx 4060?

Prices have not moved a bit where i am from though.

I was pretty scared of upgrading my gpu from an rtx 2080 ti to a rx 7900 xt.. Ive always used nvidia cards dating back to the gtx 700 series. rt isnt important for me, but 1440p, max settings and 60+ fps is. it stod between the 4070 ti and the 7900 xt for me, but 12gb of vram aint gonna do it in the long run so thats what settled it for me. Sure, the feature set isnt better then nvidia, but im hoping that amd is hard at work making sure fsr 3 and fluid frames will be as good or better then whats out on the market atm.

@dylanjastle

9 ай бұрын

How has the experience been on the new hardware? Or are you still waiting to receive it?

@ERREX

9 ай бұрын

@@dylanjastle ive had the card for about a month now. Its been pretty good, only thing that have bothered me have been Fallout new vegas. It doesnt run well, the world doesnt load correctly nor render all that it should. The fps is about 10 lol 😂 Im pretty sure its a driver issue, but im not sure. The adrenaline software is way better and easier to understand then geforce experience tho, no account needed either! I get an average of 66 fps in cyberpunk 2077s in game benchmark at 1440 maxed out no rt/fsr with an r 9 3950x processor & 32gb 3200mhz cl 16 ddr 4 (no OC). And oh my 7900 xt is a hellhound from powercolour, another reason i went with 7900 xt over the xtx is that my psu is only 750 watt.

*They FAILED to implement FSR 2 correctly in Starfield* They didn't implement the correct mipmap/LOD Bias or pixel jitter/textile moire fix for upscalers 🤦‍♂️ AAA Devs in 2023.. it's left for modders to fix, which makes FSR look like it's supposed to, and DLSS. The mod fix on nexusmods is by doodlum, it's called "upscaler fix - fsr - dlss - xess", it works for all upscalers.

@williamcrms

9 ай бұрын

Interesting, is there a mod that fixes the fsr implementation? If so, I think the DF team should definitely know about it. Proper implementation seems to be just as important as the underlying technology when it comes to these upscalers.

@LukeHimself

9 ай бұрын

@@williamcrms I actually looked it up and edited it into my comment before your reply popped up for me lol.. I'm sure it can help a lot of people fix their fsr, dlss, xess.

@williamcrms

9 ай бұрын

@@LukeHimself Cool, thanks! DF should be clear that this is an implementation issue in the future. FSR definitely breaks down at lower resolutions but the difference with DLSS at 4k quality was really unusual to me.

@or1on89

9 ай бұрын

@@williamcrmsit is really clear that the implementation of FSR is borked. The DLsS mod is a DLL swap that uses the same vector information as FSR and in every comparison I saw DLSS has similar artifacts as FSR. Machine learning mitigates them giving a “better look” but honestly there’s tons of ghosting even with DLSS…this is down to a bad implementation

@funbrute31

9 ай бұрын

By they, You mean AMD right?

Ah! just the review I was waiting for!

I think that it comes down to the price, which can very depending where you live. Here in Australia a 4070 and 7800 XT are pretty much the same price, although the 7800 XT is a little cheaper, but in America the 7800 XT is a $100 US cheaper than the 4070, which is a significant amount of money. I would say that if you can get it cheaper, then going for the 7800 XT is a no-brainer, but if you're looking at paying the same for either card, then this just becomes a harder decision to make. For pretty much the same arguments you're making: that owning either card has become a significantly different experience; making apples to apples comparisons harder. I personally went for the 4070.

In Germany the 7800 XT and the 4070 are pretty much the same in terms of pricing, which is making the choice between either of them even more difficult

@volatilelyle5170

9 ай бұрын

The same here in South Africa.

@baumstamp5989

9 ай бұрын

idk , in germany mindfactory has the 7800xt for 545 euros, and last week it even was 525. the cheapest 4070 of all 4070s is 589. so it is still a difference of at least 45-65 euros. it will be very exciting how this looks in one month.

@bmw523igr

9 ай бұрын

I bought my 7800Xt from Germany(waiting to arrive in Greece(here between 640 and 800). It was very close to 4070 price(579 hellhound) but as you get starfield(-100 Euros) with the card I believe it's an ok price

@baumstamp5989

9 ай бұрын

oh you get the premium edition??@@bmw523igr

@tyre1337

9 ай бұрын

i would still choose the 7800 xt, i like my products lasting more than one gen

Rich has such unique and insighful hardware reviews, nothing else quite like it.

The debate becomes even harder in non US markets, such as here in Australia, where the 4070 and 7800XT are roughly the same price. There is a mere $10AUD difference between cheapest model of each card. So do I want the latest and greatest in terms of upscaling technology, ray tracing, etc coming from a 2070S (where I've not used any of those technologies due to not being happy with the outcome), or do I go for the extra 4GB of VRAM, as I'm looking at a 5+ year high setting 1080p card? At that, roughly, $900AUD it's a hard call right now, in terms of moving up from my 2070S.

@offspringfan89

9 ай бұрын

Guess you answered your question yourself: the extra 4GB of memory of the 7800 XT are not worth all the features you're going to miss. 12GB will be enough VRAM for many and many years. And I don't know how much electricity costs there, but when you don't live in the US, the better power efficiency of the 4070 is not an aspect you should ignore.

Excellent review. Especially considering the fact that you are taking also into account the increasing importance of none-pure horsepower type of advantages and disadvantages. I have been heavily researching pros and cons between the NVIDIA 4070 and the AMD 7800 XT (both being about the best respectively from each brand that I can get in the price range I am looking at) and I am still undecided. However, extending on your approach on how to value cards nowadays, to me there is another aspect to consider: while almost all current graphic cards reviews mainly focus on how many FPS are being delivered, graphic cards more often than not (at least looking at the +\- 4070 and 7800XT tier) display in most games FPS counts way beyond 60 FPS - and the numbers keep rising as we move from generation to generation. I wonder though, if at some point there isn’t a diminishing return as we rise in the FPS number (at least a diminishing noticeable (by normal mortals) user experience effect). Meaning that you will notice the difference btw 30 and 60 FPS, but will the difference be equally noticeable (and the real value added to the experience equally big) btw. 60 and 90, btw 90 ans 120 and so on? So returning to the two cards (NVIDIA’s 4070 and AMD’s 7800XT) being currently intensely compared by all reviews, I feel that even though the 7800XT more often than not has an FPS advantage (looking at 1440 non-RT) over its NVIDIA competitor, the difference mostly is a relative one, both cards strongly delivering FPS above 60 up to way way beyond 60 FPS. Whereas NVIDIA’s FPS advantage in the context of RT is situated in a lower FPS range (around 30 - 60 FPS range) where every additional FPS has imo a way bigger experience impact than the same FPS differences have in the higher FPS ranges.

@GeordiLaForgery

9 ай бұрын

What about multiplayer games where you need 300+fps? The reaction to inputs is important. The difference between 60 and 300 is huge in this regard.

@RetroProg

9 ай бұрын

It's a shame AMD haven't released FSR 3 as that would give you an idea of how closer to DLSS they are. If you play the big AAA games then Team green is probably the better all round card, especially with DLSS 3.5. If you care more about FPS then the 7800XT is cheaper with more ram and better pure raster performance meaning less need to worry about upscaling tech.

@pivoune

9 ай бұрын

@@GeordiLaForgery yeah, well I can't really judge on that. Obviously what I wrote can only represent my thoughts, experiences and needs. And since I am not a multiplayer gamer, this aspect doesn't really affect me. Anyway. my thoughts about were just that, a thought experiment, trying to look at this mostly purely FPS number focused industry form another perspective. I do wonder though, when I read you saying that you need 300+ FPS for multiplayer gaming: Console player are more or less stuck at 60 FPS (I think I read somewhere that in some instance you can get to 120 but I think that's about it) => so ....

@pivoune

9 ай бұрын

@@RetroProg "If you care more about FPS then the 7800XT is cheaper with more ram and better pure raster performance" yeah, that is about my own conclusion, after having seen dozens of reviews, this seems to be the consensus. Will see. I haven't decided yet. It would be a lot easier to decide if the 4070 had 16 GB of RAM I guess, since what I have been hearing a lot is that reviewers believe VRAM is gonna increase in importance in foreseeable future and that the difference between 12 and 16 might make a significant diff in the future... To be honest, in the last about 2 weeks during which I have been reading / watching reviews, my heart has been balancing back and forth between the two cards, with currently a slight preference for the 4070 (mostly based on my above thoughts - which again: might apply well to my use case, and maybe less so to others).

Actually a very reasonable review from DF, a breath of fresh air compared to your usual less "ordinary" gamer friendly perspectives. So a job very well done here.

My favorite thing about the $500 7800XT is come black Friday it should be cheaper and a good deal.

@harveybirdmannequin

9 ай бұрын

Nah, things get more expensive on Black Friday.

@jamesg8246

9 ай бұрын

@@harveybirdmannequin What country are you in? Because every season there's a ton of deals in the US, many times at prices that aren't seen again all year.

@harveybirdmannequin

9 ай бұрын

@@jamesg8246 Nah, man. I watch the prices. The best deals actually happen about a month prior to the big sales. Most of them are flash sales though.

I think the most consumer friendly thing that any GPU company could do would be for Nvidia to enable DLSS for all GPUs, regardless of vendor. FSR is an open standard and I'm very much opposed to proprietary features like DLSS. Also, DLSS as far as I'm aware doesn't even use the AI hardware of Nvidia GPUs that much, so that shouldn't be a hinderance. I know that that's never going to happen, but I'm hopeful that there will be a community mod that enables DLSS to run on all GPUs can be made in the future.

Why is there still no mk1 video

Sad for Nvidia that you can't get respectable Vram until you pay out for the absolute top of the list.

@tyre1337

9 ай бұрын

that's how they make sure you buy every gen, 3070 owners are sweating right now

@iHaveTheDocuments

9 ай бұрын

@@tyre1337 This was exactly me. I bought a 3070 as my first card 2 years ago not realizing how low 8gb was. Just bought a 7900xt with 20gbs. It will last years

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

12gb of vram is enough to let the 4070ti outperform the 3090ti in many of the toughest RT cases. L2 cache overrides vram in many cases. 10gb is more than enough for most games at 4K including pathtracing and RT.

@Whiteshade

9 ай бұрын

@@iHaveTheDocuments Same, I did panic buy 3070 when my country making bad economical decisions for the country and didn't do enough research. I want to change into AMD but power consumption of their cards are so high. Will wait for next generation maybe they fix by then or need to buy Nvidia again.

Full Path Ray Tracing with DLSS 3.5 is an incredible temptation for me, once you've seen it, there's no going back.

@TeranToola

9 ай бұрын

4090 at 4K currently with FG and DLSS Performance, I still found it to be too weak to use consistently. Hopefully the small bump in FPS with Ray Reconstruction is enough to make it playable

@Avinashkumar-lg4gv

9 ай бұрын

can you elaborate how it is?

@ryanschindler923

9 ай бұрын

lol, stop running things at 4K. I'll never get, people think they HAVE to play stuff at the highest possible resolution, not realizing how insanely heavy 4k is, and that you don't really see that much improvement over 1440p@@TeranToola

@TeranToola

9 ай бұрын

@@ryanschindler923 trash opinion. I didn’t buy a 4090 to play in 720p. Higher resolutions like 1440p and 4K just plain look better, and every other game looks gorgeous in 4K at 120+ FPS maxed out I’d easily take 4K with DLAA and no RT in cyberpunk over running at a resolution for ants

@crescentmoon256

9 ай бұрын

HOW MANY GAMES tho ?

the Crew Motorfest?

Say what you will about the state of the GPU market but one cool thing I guess is that we are back to a point where the features of cards actually bring the purchase decision back to the user. Now you get to choose what is right for you again as opposed to just buying the fastest you can afford and letting the numbers make the descision. Well, its an optimistic viewpoint at least.

@or1on89

9 ай бұрын

I’m looking forward to SteamOS evolution…AMD might also be a factor there…

4070 needs to be closer to $450.

This is one of the best DF reviews ever.

nvidia is now introducing neural textures compression can fit 8k textures in smallest print in your vram that can make any 8gb vram as 16gb vram amd side

Without pixel peeping though, I can't tell the difference between fsr and dlss in this video. 🤷‍♂️ Maybe it's different of your playing it, but I'm playing starfield and not even thinking about visual quality or performance. But I'm using a Series S with a 32" 1080 TV so maybe it just doesn't matter outside of 70" 4k TVs with a gaming pc attached.

I'm in the camp that the pure hardware performance is what matter most, not the upscaling performance. If we as consumers start to except that upscaling performance is the status quo then our hardware launches will be worse and worse release on release. Raster performance IS what should matter most in a review as its currently the set standard, with RT coming in second, and upscaling being an after thought. The consumer can choose to take into consideration upscaling but i would even then caution them on it based on what games they are playing and their situations. I do see lots of reviews also doing the frames per joules comparison now, and while its an interesting thought and not bad information, it almost never impacts a consumers buying decision. Having sold computer parts back in the day for almost a decade i can probably count the number of customers on 1 hand where power draw was a concern of theirs.

@cellardoor9882

9 ай бұрын

Good point. However I'd like to add that pure ray tracing performance should be counted along with rasterization. I imagine in a few years for big budget games devs will completely rely on full ray tracing and not deal with time consuming pre baked lighting anymore

@Toxicin2

9 ай бұрын

@@cellardoor9882 I dont think the 4070 will be sufficient for these future RT titles. I would argue right now and in the next years this wont matter.

@Playerz714

9 ай бұрын

Pretty much this it's insane how raw performance specs and benchmarks are completely ignored now over using frame generation tech

@ZeroZingo

9 ай бұрын

Just present the strengths/weaknesses of each card and let the viewer decide how to weight the data. Obviously for most games raster is important, but at the same time, for the best looking games RT and upscaling is important. Richard can't decide what you think matters. His reviews are very fair and he gives you the option to just ignore upscaling. He isn't pushy like some other reviewers that want to decide for you.

@kdawgmaster

9 ай бұрын

@@cellardoor9882 thats why i say RT should be second. Until RT becomes the set standard for lighting in games it cant really be put in line with raster performance. Sure this will happen, eventually, but until then raster should be looked at with a more broader scope over RT for now.

i currently have the 2070 Super and looking to upgrade. So far the 7800xt is looking like the best choice. $500 for 1440p gaming sounds like a steal. I originally wanted the 7900xt or the 4070ti but they are to expensive still

@nigelo92

9 ай бұрын

If you're used to DLSS and other features like Reflex it could be a downgrade, not having an equivalent to either on AMD.

@jako997

9 ай бұрын

@@nigelo92 I mean they have FSR and something coming soon that's similar to Reflex if I remember right so I'm good. They may not be as great compared to Nvidia but as long it does it's job I'm fine. Nvidia is to overpriced and the features they do have isn't enough to sell me on getting thrm

@KatamuroTheFirst

9 ай бұрын

I upgraded from 2070 to 7800xt and it's a significant upgrade. I have to say the AMD control software is much easier to use than nvidia's. I think using RT on this level of card is a bit pointless as a comparison because as you have seen at 1440p(which is where this card should be used) they produce unplayable numbers, all of those cards. So having to use DLSS to use RT is kind of a cheat for me. I might as well disable RT and play the game at native resolution.

@jako997

9 ай бұрын

@@KatamuroTheFirst what CPU do you use for your 7800xt? do you get bottlenecks? reason why im asking is because i have the Ryzen 3700x cpu and i may possibly upgrade to a 5800x3d is the 3700x doesnt fit will with the cpu.

I'm using a 2060 right now and yeah, the choice is tough. One the one hand, DLSS has made my 2060 punch above its weight many times, running Death Stranding and Rise of the Tomb Raider at 1440p. On the other hand, I've run into loads of times where the low VRAM made textures evetually low-res, like in Horizon Zero Dawn, Control and Returnal. So yeah, for me the choice is between DLSS and VRAM. I might go for 4070 in the end, since I also use VR and VR headsets and AMD support dont go hand in hand.

@rasurin

9 ай бұрын

So not actually 1440p.

@fuckjoebiden

9 ай бұрын

@@rasurin there's no reason in 2023 to be running games at native resolution

@tomashavlas5695

9 ай бұрын

Cyberpunk at 1440p ultra settings with RT at PSycho using dlss eats 11gb of VRAM, so 4070 is enough with its 12gb of VRAM id say, if game eats more then 12gb of VRAM its just lazy fault of developer, its not justified

We have to wait for fsr3 and then we will see!

$500 7800xt is pretty damn close back to reality with performance and price for a higher end gpu. Glad to see it selling out rapidly and will hopefully be the push back we need so Nvidia doesnt heavily overprice their cards for 50 series. Still can't believe a "60" series, entry level card was attempted to be passed off for 500 bucks. Insanity.

@ofon2000

9 ай бұрын

people were making jokes before the release of RTX 4000 saying that in the future we'd be sold a 4050 with 16 gigabytes of ram and a 128 bit bus for 500. Well that's kinda exactly what we got with the 4060 ti lol. I still think Nvidia is trying to upsell to their left over RTX 3000 stock...at least that's my hope..

@leonro

9 ай бұрын

I got confused by your 50 series and 60 series having two completely different meanings. While AMD is upselling us a bit by calling a 60 CU card "7800 XT", at least it's an improvement in both performance and price compared to the previous 60 CU one, the standard 6800 with a $580 launch MSRP. It's not a big leap, but at least it's still progress.

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

Its only selling out because AMD aren't making them. AMD makes more profit on the 7700xt. It's not upsell but bait and switch, just like the 7900XTX vs the 7900XT

AMD Adrenalin 23.9.2 out today. 4 more games added to RDNA3 Anti-Lag+ support, alongside Shader Model 6.8 support on RDNA1+ GPUs. Polaris and Vega also got 23.9.2, but on older branch drivers without SM6.8.

guys where is lies o pi? Can't decide which version to get 😯

Which card is better for VR. I have a EVGA 1080Ti SC. I only play VR on PC and use my console for flat games. Unless the game isn’t on console. I don’t see me wanting to spend more than £500 on a GPU as my PC collects dust when I’m not using it for VR. I use Mac/iPad for general computing.

Europe gets shafted

Would be nice to add a vram usage comparison when discussing the extra features that nvidia is currently offering. Dlss and fsr can be compared as they are but frame gen is a different thing. Reason is that frame gen is using more vram. And I have seen performance comparisons where 12 gb is reached and even exceeded. Thats why the 4070 and ti variant seems an awfull deal from Nvidia. They are bringing features that boost fps performamce but the gpu itself has limited resourses for using those features. Sure most games at the moment are okay with 12 gb in 1440p but if already a few games are hitting that limit then the card is a bad deal for the future. Even if the price drops to 500. 7800XT for the price and performance level these days hits the sweet spot even if the fsr is lagging behind. Just hope that the pricing gets fixed on certain regions where they seem to be on the 4070 levels for some stupid reason. Oh and this is coming from a person who has been using 1080 for 7 years and really interested in the 4070. After all the info searching I took the plunge to go AMD side with the 7800 xt. I hope my choice will be a good one in the end.

@robbieclark1784

9 ай бұрын

For the first time I did some tests lastnight on my 4070 in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT Overdrive and it was perfectly fine on VRAM at 1440p maxed settings. I think this issue is primarily developer driven, unfortunately. These games and/or engines simply don't manage memory as well as they should.

@CrimSolitude

9 ай бұрын

@@robbieclark1784 That is definetly true. Only a few games out there reach 12 gb with certain settings. It would just suck to buy a gpu at a price of 600 that reaches that limit at 1440p. And Nvidias move with 4060 ti 16gb to 4070 and ti to 12 gb just does not make any sense. Reminds me of the GTX970 vram issue in a different way.

@BurningChrome89

9 ай бұрын

It depends on your pursuit of game graphics. In my requirements for graphics, both the 4070 and 4070ti are only 2K-level GPUs. Especially after the rumor that the PS5 Pro will use a GPU with the same specifications as the 7800xt next year, I think the performance advantage of the 4070 as a 2K card can only last for 2 years.

@robbieclark1784

9 ай бұрын

For clarification, I mean it ran terrible without DLSS and frame generation, but the VRAM usage was nowhere near some of the games from 2023.

I'm happy RX 7800 XT user, with it I also bought Ryzen 7 7800x3D and 64GB RAM... For me it's great performance. All Total War games works perfectly. I'm playin in 5120x1440 resolution and it looks stunning for me. I don't need enything more right now. Maybe in the future my 850W PSU will handle refresh this spec... maybe not next but after 2 or 3 generations I will replace currewnt GPU and upgrade to newest x3D AM5 CPU.

Sorry guys i want to asking about my plan for building my first PC, im still confused about my plan to buy RX 7800 xt or RTX 4070 and the problem is in my country RTX 4070 cost is around $800 but RX 7800 xt is just cost about $550. so is rx 7800 xt is a good pick for me? i was ps5 user and i was hoping to have pc that more powerful for gaming like ray tracing and maybe gaming in 1440p, so do you think that if i pick RX 7800 xt is good choice for me ?

Rather than saying "Competition Works" I'd take a slightly more route and say that "Competition is the only thing that can keep these companies remotely serving the market, when they so chose to compete in the first place". My biggest concern is both AMD and Nvidia do not need strong revenue in the consumer GPU space for the health of their overall business, they are both making gobs of money elsewhere. Which means they have very little incentive to engage in this competition (as we have seen explicitly over the last 12 months). Waiting for the stars to align and these companies deciding to actually compete on price, does not lead to great overall health in this market. It'd be nice for it to be served by companies that actually need the revenue, and thus have a strong incentive to actively serve the market.

Man what a great video. I was in this situation not even a couple months ago. The question for me was this: How much do I care about next gen features like raytracing (and as the answer turned out, enough to chose the RTX 4070). I can easily see the swing on these choices going the other way however; there is no one-size fits all, all-in-one solution. Yet.

@RetroProg

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely, at 1440 I do think AMD have the better product with the 7800XT and upscaling tech won't be as much of a deciding factor. At 4K DLSS is a generation in front of FSR right now and 3.5 is very impressive but we have no idea where FSR 3.0 is going to land.

One of the reasons I ultimately went with RX7800 XT rather than 4070 is that the fact that all the technologies nvidia introduces usually only apply to their newest gen cards. Yea, 4000 series gets all the cool bells and whistles now, but as soon as 5000 series launches, nvidia is bound to have a new shiny DLSS feature exclusive to that series. Meanwhile AMD has pretty good track record of backporting features to their older cards. FSR3 frame gen for instance is supported from RX5000 series and up. I feel like I'd get more value out of 7800XT compared to 4070 in the 4-5 years I'm planning to keep it.

Damn your nuance, pick a winner!

Just bought a 4070 for £480 due to an eBay 10% off code. The fact that when I’ve been looking at 7800XT UK pricing it seems at best parity with the Nvidia option, if not often more expensive

@michaelcarson8375

9 ай бұрын

@jamesbothoms6009 That's what happens if you chase the hot item. The quality and support from Nvidia regarding their drivers makes only one choice if you think about it. Until Intel catches up there is only one option, AMD is not it.

Recently switched from a 5700XT to a 4070, I don't think I could ever see myself switching again for the software alone, DLSS is a game changer and being able to play things like Cyberpunk on Overdrive is crazy, hope AMD does more competitive pricing though, good for everyone

@Louisthesaxman1

9 ай бұрын

Dlss 3.5 tomorrow on cyberpunk!

Would love to see the same results with undervolts.

Saving my money for black Friday

Glad to see DF supporting the free market.

@romxxii

9 ай бұрын

DF has always been neutral. It's just sad fanboys getting butthurt who couldn't see it.

I'm not really in the market for a new GPU right now, I'm quite happy with my 6700xt after having nvidia cards for the previous...12 years? But looking at non-path traced games, honestly the difference in RT on vs off in most games is still not worth the performance hit even on nvidia cards. Things tend to look a little different than necessarily better, with exceptions of course. That being said, I feel like this purchase for me will probably be the last time I get something that's RT weak. In the future it'll be important, that's pretty clear, but with the consoles lacking great RT support themselves, I think it's important to see that games going forward should have modes that still look great that don't focus on RT, and that's where AMD is strong. Ray tracing is still the future, with a few games (Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2) taking full advantage of it, but I think in the near future (say, 2-3 years), you'd be fine on a heavy Rasterization performance card if you have to buy one now. Of course this all goes out the window if new games continue not to be scalable in their settings and rely so heavily on image reconstruction for getting faster framerates. Resolution has always been an easy way to boost performance, but UE5 games released thus far seem to offer minimum ways to boost performance outside of that, which is where DLSS comes in handy. If I were close to feeling the need to upgrade, I'd probably wait and see what the 5000 and 8000 series cards look like. AMD should focus more on RT and Nvidia should get their act together in terms of memory. Between the two it should be great for the consumer to pick something up that they'll be happy with. This current gen is generally poor for value.

@backfischritter

9 ай бұрын

Path tracing is a whole different beast let me tell you that.

@hacob2004

9 ай бұрын

RT is the most overrated tech I can think of in a long time. You really need to spend $1000 on a 4080 or better to get good results and I just don't see how it's worth that in any way.

@cosmic_gate476

9 ай бұрын

​@@backfischritter RTX came out 5 years ago and we are no where near having path traced games aside from games with crappy geometry like minecraft and quake 2, and even that runs like shit and needs upscaling. The NV cards of today will be obsolete by the time path tracing is actually a thing in the mainstream.

@leonro

9 ай бұрын

Do you know which GPU maker has good RT and memory for the price? Intel! 😅 But seriously, I'm cautiously excited to see how their next GPU generation will fare.

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

@@cosmic_gate476 Path tracing performance is orthogonal to the amount of polys. And I would Argue Quake 2 RTX looks wayyyyy better than most games anyway.

How good are the 7000s compared to the 6950 XT?

I want to upgrade my 1060 6GB and am undecided between the 7800XT or 4070. I guess I'll wait out fsr3 to see the improvements.

@oxfordsparky

9 ай бұрын

depends on what games you want to play, if the games you play have DLSS and especially FG then the 4070 is a no brainer.

@mohyari3075

9 ай бұрын

AMD if you play competitive shooter games or vram heavy games, Nvidia for everything else

@jakejoyride

9 ай бұрын

But now you get Starfield premium edition with 7800xt

Just curious as to why many charts, not just from Digital Foundry, seem to discard the 7900 XTX as though it does not exist. Is it a pricing thing?

@eugenewhite7090

9 ай бұрын

Because that is for the 4080 and 4090 top tier shit

@B16B0SS

9 ай бұрын

ok, but the price it right around the same as the 4070 ti@@eugenewhite7090

4070 and 7800xt have the same price in Europe - difficult choice indeed

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

The 4070 obviously wins in that case.

@heikomcc7287

9 ай бұрын

If you want Better Image Quality in PC titles then the RTX 4070 is clearly Superior. Neural Rendering Features is just the Beginning, there are more to come from NVIDIA!

Weird that these new graphics cards struggle to remain 60fps at 1440p Raytracing, & even dropping into the 40's/30's. Not saying the consoles are more powerful, but even the PS5 can do 4k raytracing capped 40fps.

Nice review

If you are gonna highlight Dlss vs fsr, you need to bring up other advantages too. Amd has radeon chill and in driver overclocking. Chill is amazing. Nvidia also has that latency reducing thing and the ai mic filtering which is nice

@Jonatan606

9 ай бұрын

You can overclock in Geforce Experience.

@iurigrang

9 ай бұрын

I also felt like the feature comparison was more or less lacking, especially for people who don't follow the discourse on gpus until it's time to buy a new one (i.e. The actual target audience of a gpu review). But I do think that, for gamers, dlss is significantly more important than these other features you mentioned.

@OliM9595

9 ай бұрын

@@Jonatan606 eh, it does but its an hidden experimental feature.

@tuckerhiggins4336

9 ай бұрын

@@Jonatan606 not really though, everyone downloads msi afterburner

@tuckerhiggins4336

9 ай бұрын

@@iurigrang Dlss is definitely the most significant for what we are here for (big number = better lol), but those other features rarely get discussed at all. I mean, people act like power consumption matters, so you think Radeon chill would get a mention at least. Other things are how good the video capture is. I have no idea who has a better one. Or how far Amd has come in encoding. It'd be nice to have a video on that stuff

All the bonus features to me make upgrading to nvidia the way to go. More games are just gonna use those features going forward and with better dlss and frame gen I feel it’s gonna help the cards last longer

@SC0RPI0NFURY

9 ай бұрын

Most new triple A games are optimized for AMD by default though since both the PS5 and Xbox uses AMD graphics cards

@tyre1337

9 ай бұрын

ask 3070 owners how their gpus are lasting longer with that 8gb

@EarthIsFlat456

9 ай бұрын

​@@tyre1337 The OP didn't mention anything about longevity though. Stop assuming.

@rasurin

9 ай бұрын

​@@EarthIsFlat456they literally did wtf are you on about

@EarthIsFlat456

9 ай бұрын

@@rasurin Yeah you're right I didn't see that.

For me, I was upgrading from a 2080 Super and deciding between 7900XTX vs 4080... Theres's not enough value to upgrade to the 4080. ~$300 more for worst rasterization but better ray tracing does not make up that difference to me. Nvidia got WAY too greedy this gen and I wouldn't hold my breath for the 50xx series neither.

For 3D workload purposes?

4070 vs 6800xt : definitely 4070, rasterization performance is close enough to 6800xt. 4070 vs 7800xt: 7800xt if you don't need RT and path tracing, and even then RT performance not that bad. 7800xt has enough performance to not think about DLSS all the time.

The more analysis I see on RTX 4000 series the more clear it becomes NVIDIA was banking on milking crypto mining one more generation. The power efficiency is truly a generational leap. For gaming alone the value of this perk is not nearly as enticing, and the low popularity for the prices they chose has reflected that.

@Wobbothe3rd

9 ай бұрын

KZread isn't reality. In the REAL WORLD RTX40 cards are selling well and making customers extremely happy. Social media is just doing what social media always does, providing COPE to the lowest denominator. RTX40 series being a "disappointment" is what people who can't afford it WANT TO HEAR, it isn't actually the truth, lol

@michaelcarson8375

9 ай бұрын

@doaks31 mining requires a larger memory bus like what is on the 30 series. The only 400 series card with getting for mining is the 4090 and even then a 3090 can match it. The 40 series was design to milk gamers because AMD can't keep up with supply.

im going to upgrade from an rx 580... i was looking for a 7800xt at 519$ but i see a model of 4070 now priced at 549$... the 7800xt is now out of stock... now.. i dont know witch one to buy... help! XD

16:59 yes rich we know