While you only get locked out after getting a drop in normal raids , savage works a bit different in that you'll be locked out after you clear regardless if you got a drop or not, however savage drop chests which can be used for a piece of gear corresponding to the class you're on atm, and you'll also get a page (token) which can be exchanged for loot after you collect a certain amount.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Ooooh! Thanks for the correction. That's a bit disappointing to hear, but at the same time at least the drop wont be wasted and it has tokens. I guess I'll have to see how I feel about it after progressing on Savage for a bit!

@tciddados

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 If you run with a static group, it should still take 8 kills of each boss max to get your BiS, which is pretty nice compared to what it was like when I raided WoW way back in the day. But if you're just gonna go through PF, it might take a bit longer. The one big piece of advice WRT getting gear from savages is that you don't spend your pages (tokens/totems) from a certain fight until the thing you're buying is the last thing you need from that fight (in savage, fights drop specific types of gear, vs normal where they drop more types of tokens). Otherwise, you'll inevitably run into the situation where you buy (for example) boots with pages, and then you win the boot coffer next week and think "dang, I should've bought the gloves instead".

@srdragan317

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 yeah even so 8 kill will do if u go with ur static and let's be honest Savage when it's out better going with friends

@tehSunBro

2 жыл бұрын

Aside from that you got more than enough time to get your savage gear, as it takes about 6 months for the next savage tier to get released, and that gear will stay BiS until the next tier is released. So you still got plenty time to get the satisfaction of getting that best gear and use it to beat stuff easier.

@noalei

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not true. You can still queue into savage and do the fights afterwards. You just can’t get any loot. And if you play with others who haven’t cleared, then the number of chests that drop will be decreased

I am excited to get to that point in ff14. Playing with other players in WOW made it so I was afraid to play MMO's because of how players treated eachother. When playing FF14 i would only play if I knew people in my group...but after awhile I realized how the ff14 community is so understanding and patient. Its a totally different experience and now I cant wait to keep progressing and going into new challenges

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Look forward to it! The fights are really fun to learn, you feel like you've entered the matrix and can see the pattern, and it just feels amazing!

@deltaoalice9281

2 жыл бұрын

It is important to know that treatment is based on expectations. It is hard to be happy when you are a farm party and someone doesn't know anything about the fight. Also people who lie about their progression is the worst. Imagine people wanting to practice a "post-ads" phase, but you are dying repeatedly to mechanics at the start, therefore being unable to actually practice the phase they are at. Nobody gets mad when the expectations are what it is stated.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@deltaoalice9281 Can't even blame people for being mad at that either, no one likes being lied to.

Don’t forget that the final boss has a secret final form in savage, basically a 5th fight, it’s a nice bonus and a motivation for a lot of people, on top of being a challenging fight.

@ArkodaX

2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily, on the stormblood raid savages, the 4th, 8th, 12th boss has a secret final form while shadowbringers only had the 12th boss that has a secret phase

@ValforJr

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArkodaX ES4 had Titan Maximum, E8S had Shiva/Hraesvelgr fusion

@ArkodaX

2 жыл бұрын

@@ValforJr thought they meant "5th fight" as a door boss

@bigbay1159

2 жыл бұрын

@@ValforJr Those aren't door bosses meaning you wipe you start all overm the 5th fights are completely their own battle in the sense even death has you restart at that 2nd phase.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

^^ Yeah, I am excited to see what that's going to entail, I am hoping the chandaliers have a role in the savage version, I think it'd be cool if they fell or ... something! Can't wait!

My experience in WoW progression: min ilvl i saw everyone requiring is the same as the ilvl that drops from the raid. Fights always had guides before release and was expected to know it before going in. Wasn't the most fun gameplay. This is just my personal experience in the game and my opinion on it

@3lit3gn0m3

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. How dare you try a fight without memorizing the mechanics via a video...unless you're in the world first race, of course. Now, finding a guild makes it different, but I was on and off with WoW so much I didn't wanna join a guild only to bail when the game loses that honeymoon phase.

@XxzaidosxX

2 жыл бұрын

@@3lit3gn0m3 yeah no joke. Even some guilds were like that with mythic+ being introduced. There's now no reason for you not to have mythic raid ilvl gear before we allow you into normal now!

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@XxzaidosxX My experiences with mythic + were awful. One wipe and people would start to leave, even when it was your key, and it would drive me nuts. Like... at least finish the run, lets get some experience so that next time it goes smoother...

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I've been seeing some of that in FFXIV party finder, where they set the min item level to 575 for the extremes, which I believe is maybe the highest you can be at the moment. But I also still see plenty of learning parties and parties with perfectly reasonable item level restrictions. But yeah, guides are out for the raids before the raids are even out in WoW, part of the reason why I think the PTR really should go!

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@3lit3gn0m3 Guilds do make a world of hurt go away, that's for sure.

You mention being able to run until you win a piece in raid. This is only true in normal. In savage, you instead get a token much like a totem (called a "book" or "page"), and you can trade a certain number of these for any item you want that drops from that fight. But like totems, that's the failsafe, savage drops coffers as well that are how you get most of your gear in a typical team. Either way, in savage, once you kill a boss that week that's it. No more chances even if you lose the loot rolls. (But at least you always get those tokens!) A typical team gets best in slot in around 8-10 weeks. 15 weeks for a slow team. Note that those who have already cleared for the week can still come help you, but fewer coffers will drop. At 4-7 people who are not locked out you get 1 chest instead of 2 (each chest usually has 2 items). At 0-3 you get no drops. But anyone who isn't locked out *always* gets that page. You'll often see parties in party finder advertised as "2 chest" for savage fights, which indicates they expect that only people who are not locked out for the week will join. The game tells you when you enter the fight how many chests your team is eligible for, so people can't pull a sneaky on ya. Another nice thing is that each instance is truly independent. You can clear fights 1 and 2 with your team, start progging 3 with them, then after they're done for the week you can go into party finder for fight 3 just fine. This is in stark contrast to WoW where the entire (mythic) raid tier locks you to a single multi-boss instance for the full week, so if your team is out of hours then you're shit out of luck.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info, I haven't progressed on savage yet, so I wasn't aware of all the details, I was going off my personal experiences up to this point! I am guessing they limit the chests that way because if you have 4 people that cleared it they didn't want two chests to be split amongst 4 people? I am wondering what the reason for the change is as well for the loot rules between normal and savage is. I am looking forward to experiencing this first hand!

I've been playing FFXIV for so long it has been the norm for me but hearing other MMO's treating people like this makes me shudder. What's even worse is many of those gamers were ignorant about how much better it could be but tolerated it.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I really loved raiding in WoW, it was one of the few areas I found joy, but I was surprised with just how much more fun I was having with it in FFXIV, due to just how much less annoyances the game has! Progressing on those extremes was such a treat, I can't wait to jump into the savages and ultimates!

I agree with all other points, however: I think you can't compare WoW and FF14 gear progression 1:1, gear has been a lot bigger part of WoW since forever with more implications for your gameplay (set effects, legendary effects, trinkets, secondary stats that transform your gameplay + the expansions current (and terrible as of the last 3 years) system flavor.) Progressing/improving your character power in WoW has been the core of the game for 16 years now and arguably the biggest reason for many to play it ad Infinitum, FF14 does not focus as much on this. What's better depends ultimately on your own tastes. What's quite funny to me though is that WoW abandoned the well liked wotlk way of endgame progression (you know, the one where RNG couldn't cuck you as hard and you'll eventually get everything you want) which FF14 took inspiration from...

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I think that because gear can have such wild implications on your gameplay in WoW, that making it be a hassle to obtain is a negative. I can recall several times when I wanted a trinket that literally would transform the way I went about my rotations... and it wouldn't drop for a very long time. What stung even more was when the next tier came out shortly after I finally got the trinket and I would need to replace it. It just felt... like... what was the point , ya know? Replacing the badge system with the RNG loot vault was.... I hated that. I much prefer being able to pick what gear I want to aim for, and just go for that over being annoyed week after week when the vault offers me a bunch of gear that I don't want or need.

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

FFXIV focuses on deterministic gear so that there is an endpoint in your gearing progression. This is so that when you hit your end point you could start working on another class or even go and take a break from the game for a bit to play other games. This is very much supported by the design ethics of Yoshi-P, because a player that truly burns out never returns, while a player that takes a break will eventually return when more of what they want to do comes out. WoW goes with gear having such wide variance because the eternal hunt for gear is meant to keep you eternally subbed and giving them money. They do not want you to play other games, WoW is supposed to be your forever game. This is also why they design systems such to inflict a feeling of having to play eternal catchup. You are not supposed to ever stop the grind. This is why you get Diablo style set effects, diablo style legendary items with stupidly low drop rates, trinkets with diablo style procs, and minor secondary stats that you can simply stack stupid high. To give you something to chase. This is also why Titanforging was a thing. They do not ant you to have deterministic gear because that means there is a end to the grind.

@k9tirion927

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 Yeah fully agreed. It feels like the current WoW devs are still so on WoD ptsd that they designed the game starting with Legion around you never ever getting done with your character, at least not fully 100%. Which, because some stuff is quite fun and interesting to play around sucks even harder because you'll sometimes just not get the chance to just "play around" with it.

Thanks for the video. I probably will try FFXIV raiding at some point since I know there is practice groups in PF. If geared up, the worst that can happen is you realize you suck and tell the group you have to go :P Performance anxiety is a killing of my progression, and I always play healer, like a self inflicted curse.

@roetheboat1

2 жыл бұрын

It took me like 3-4 years before I actually even tried any of the Normal Raids (and that was only after hearing how Coils and Omega would be important for the Endwalker MSQ). I recommend watching a tutorial video, like the ones done by MTQCapture, in order to not get flustered by anxiety over making mistakes. I also enjoy playing as a Red Mage, and one of the benefits there is that I can help balance out possible mistakes I make by both helping heal myself AND insta-rezzing people who die.

@katiekaliber

2 жыл бұрын

I am the same, also healer main and have major raid anxiety but this game made me come out of my shell a lot more. Just try it out, you'll find the occasional passive aggressive dork but overall the community is super chill as long as you join the right group (don't go into farming groups when you just barely cleared a fight and don't really know the mechanics that well yet and don't do logruns if you are not pulling high numbers), you'll be just fine. Healing this tier has a big responsibility too, besides just the occasional shields and regens, there are some aoe's that hit like a truck and p3s makes you do a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with healing. It's legit so much fun, i love raiding in this game.

I think the thing that make progress more enjoyable in ff14 is that the fight has very little rng involved and the boss make everyone test every move pretty quickly(often all the raid has to do it at the same time). In wow it's not rare that u are 10 pull in and still someone in the raid has to experience a key role to the fight like soaking a particular debuff etc. or u are in a very intense healing phase and ur healer get fuck up from a random debuff or spell that u don't know it's coming other then a dbm cd meanwhile in ff14 most of the time strange debuff or spells are role specific.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, from what I expereinced so far in FFXIV in regards to RNG is ... the boss will choose between 2 locations and you need to know where to go for each location, or has a a couple of abilities they will choose from and you just need to know how to handle them all. Than its all down to remembering what the abilities do and executing properly, and I find that to be so enjoyable.

@nicholasgraves3149

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 It's a double edged sword. If you're the fast learner in your group, you'll always be waiting ten times the number of pulls for the slowest learner to finally get it so your group can move on. In WoW, there is a somewhat random / small chance that there will be a pull where the weak link just doesn't get tasked with doing something too important, so you can finally carry him and move on. Of course with only 8 people on the team, carrying makes a lot less sense in FFXIV, but it can be a point of frustration if you're the best member of the team, or probably the worst member as well. Nobody likes feeling like they are the one holding everybody else back, but Savage truly makes every person learn how to do every mechanic because there just aren't any freebies, and while the DPS checks are all super lenient, they aren't lenient enough to drag a dead person for the whole fight.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasgraves3149 For sure, I know that frustration in WoW all to well where a raid member gets randomly selected for a mechanic and wipes the raid. It never feels good when you clear a raid encounter because all the 'right' players got chosen for the random mechanics. At the end of the day I think it boils down to are you having fun. I stayed with a guild in WoW that I felt was progressing slower than I would've liked... but I formed attachments to many of the players so of course I stayed.

100% nailed the party finder aspects.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Decent video, but it would be remiss of you to not discuss savage on FFXIV compared to WOW when it comes out 2 weeks from release date of pandimonium. In any case, if they follow old form, their will be a lockout on content you run ONCE a week regardless if you got anything or not. You can still do the fights but you will NOT be rewarded for anything once you win the fight once per week. Thats how savage works. In addition we should discuss the weekly tomestone gear which is 10 ilvls below the raid gear.

@brandonn161

2 жыл бұрын

This is somewhat false. You DO get something. Even if you lose your roll, you are guaranteed a token after you kill the boss once a week.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to progressing on savage and planned on doing impressions of it after doing it! Right now the way the game is handling the progression feels great and refreshing though! It's a little disappointing to hear that savage changes up the formula that seems to work so well, guess I'll have to see how it feels.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonn161 I was a bit disappointed to hear that they changed up the formula for savage, but at least the tokens are there as a form of RNG protection.

@alexhuang9712

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 They didn't change it at all, you can only get one piece of token each floor per week. And only the first clear for each floor will drop coffers which let you open with any class' gear you want to roll with. You can do the raid infinite times but it won't drop anything after your first clear that week. Ps. Before Shadowbringer the raids only drops random gear not coffers and it is frustrating when none of them are your jobs.

@deltaoalice9281

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 its the norm for savage for a very long time, and it is intentionally designed to reduce the impact of funnelling for alts and split runs (and also indirectly extends the lifetime of any raid series to at least 2 months). At the end of a raid tier (aka near the beginning of the next raid tier), the loot limitations get released and it becomes 100% farmable to allow people to farm for the glam. Also, it is not like you need BiS to do anything outside of Ultimates. Everything else is clearable with whatever item level it is indicated, more ilevels obviously giving you more clearance room. Also, at the same time as the first savage release launch, you also get access to the new week-limited tomestone, which can give you an intermediate upgrade every other week. Considering the average player will not clear all raids on week 1, this secondary upgrade is very helpful, and some of the pieces when augmented with the raids are actually BiS, so don't sleep on them.

Super interesting video I only played ff and I started around showdowbringers too but I had no wow experience so this is pretty cool to see

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you are enjoying your time in the game!

I don’t play or know anything about WoW or FF and your video still held my attention. Keep up the good work man.

I would say extremes are similar to normal raids in WoW. While normal raids are akin to LFR.

@Zantetsudex

2 жыл бұрын

Somewhat inaccurate. The equivalent of LFR in FFXIV are the alliance raids, whereas normal raids are akin to heroic dungeons in difficulty (from back in the day at least, I stopped playing before M+ was a thing). Savage is an interesting case since of the four fights in a tier, the first two are generally of heroic raid equivalence, with the second two being on par with mythic I would surmise.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zantetsudex Ya know, it's weird, I feel like I am more challenged in the extreme fights in FFXIV than I was in ... quite a number of mythic fights in WoW. Like, at a personal level, it felt like I needed to do much more and be a lot more aware. However, I am much less experienced in FFXIV raiding and raided in WoW for years, so it could just be the lack of experience making it feel more difficult. They aren't 1:1 in design philosophy either, so it makes it tricky to compare the two. This is something I'll have to revisit after I have more experience under my belt. *edit* I meant like the early mythic fights, not the stuff that comes in the middle - end of a tier!

@Zantetsudex

2 жыл бұрын

I would suggest taking a gander at some of the older savage raids. Even at unsynced they are challenging due to the nature of how FFXIV handles encounters; Rather than being a clusterfuck of mechanics it's more akin to a puzzle you have to resolve to survive. Just ask anyone who raided during Stormblood about Hello World.

Heya could you make a video on your thoughts of the savage gear progression when it comes out? Came from the baldman and subbed :D

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I will absolutely do that! Excited to get into that!

You are coming from several years of harcore WoW raiding, and you are comparing it to learning EXs? Its a good well-done video, but i dont think its right to compare the two when we are missing the savage raid tier. Kind of feels like you could have held off with the video and have a way more flavorful opinion. Also when talking about Weakness debuff you forgot to mention it gets increased to 50% if you get rezzed again

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I actually didn't know it increased to 50% if you get rezzed again, that is a steep penalty! I might have been a bit pre-mature with this, I was just really excited, I was having so much fun learning the extremes, it just felt so satisfying, I had more fun learning these encounters than I had... most of the mythic encounters I had done in WoW in recent memory. If the extremes are this fun I am in for quite the treat when the savages drop this week!

@crusaddy982

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 the savages come out on the 4th of January, so not quite this week, but I hope you have a blast with them!

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 The increased penalty only kicks in if you die too quickly after you died the first time. If you die after the penalty has worn off you only get the first level which is the 25% reduction. However it is still much better then in WoW where you only had a certain number of battle res per fight and you had a 10 minute global across the raid cooldown. Instead FFXIV gets unlimited battle reses just with a debuff so that you still need to up your game instead of just zombie things down.

Weakness is a 2 minute debuff, if you see that it has 1 minute, it means that it's under 120 seconds, after 60, it'll start counting down from 60-0 on the timer.

XIV is pretty chill, because you always know how many more runs you'll have to do in order to get what you want, and it's never too many, maybe with the exception of Extreme Trial mounts where if you're unlucky, you'll have to collect 99 tokens, but I wouldn't want that to be any easier TBH. If raiding is all you're really interested is, it also means that you'll sooner or later run out ofthings to really do in the game once you have everything, this can be a drawback for some, but that's where the unthinkable happens, where Yoshida says "Nothing more to do? That's cool, feel free to unsubscribe, go try some other games and come back when there's more, we'd be happy to see you back." And it's like ??? OTHER GAMES? I play an MMO what's this "other games". And so you find some joy in the casual content because you're unable to comprehend what "other games" is. :)

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I love that you can math out how long it will take you to get all your gear! With games like Elden Ring coming out soon, I am glad that Yoshida has that stance with his game design :).

Gear in FF14 feels hollow, no set bonuses, trinkets or interesting enchants. Liked the video, merry christmas and a happy new year

@dislikebutton6596

2 жыл бұрын

As a player since 2.0, I agree 100%. Like stated in the video, FFXI does this better.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, happy holidays and new year to you as well!

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@dislikebutton6596 I sort of just view gear in FFXIV as a means to an end, it's there to bring your stats up to get through the content! It also sometimes looks really cool and you want it for that as well :P.

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

FFXIV gear is deterministic so that there is an end point in your gearing progress. Furthermore it also allows them to design the fights in a more focused manner since class gameplay is a steady constant.

@Clavitz1

2 жыл бұрын

which isnt always a bad thing. I do wish for a couple things and that is Materia offering more value for the stat, removing the limit to a stat using materia and then a couple options for each slots at the same item level in "catch up" content. so 4 man dungeons and Alliance raids.

This is my first tier progressing ffxiv after raiding wow for a while. I'd say the ex 1 and 2 are about mid tier heroic. P1S is like late heroic early mythic. P2s is like a 2nd/3rd mythic boss ish and I just started progressing p3s

@adrianreichelt7057

2 жыл бұрын

That's roundabout right. Think the general idea atm. is that P3S is technically harder to mechanically execute than anything P4S throws at you, the last boss doesn't seem worse and definitely isn't the same kind of deal, just has the door boss niche. So this Tier kind of sits right at being somewhere in the early halfway through Mythic-ish difficulty. Ultimates are more something you'd wanna try to eventually do if you like something that's going more towards the End-of-Mythic type Encounters with the extra caveat of rapidfire bosses.

How the fuck does this guy only have 400 subs?! Great content n keep up the great work!

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words!

thanks for video

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

the only think I'm not a fan of for gear progression in 14 is crafted gear, why farm the current raid tier when better armor is just going to come out the same day as the next one from crafting, like yes gear is ultimately meant to be replaced but it should be from raid tier to raid tier, like you could have cleared and farmed the full bis for this current raid tier but when the next one comes out the best armor you could have going into the next raid tier isn't that anymore it's the crafted stuff that is 10 item levels higher and pentameldable now. honestly it probably won't matter to people who don't care all to much, but lets be honest if you're serious about raiding you're going to do whatever you can get an advantage, and that stat difference is big

@bradleydevron

2 жыл бұрын

It's a catchup mechanic, as it is only up to the item level of the gear for the normal version of the current raid tier. For anything higher, you need to do the current Savage raid tier.

In savage to do the next fight you have to best the previous one each weak too

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, that's interesting, I wonder why that was made to be the case. I guess most people would want to clear them again anyways to get more gear, but it seems weird that they force it.

@zeev55

2 жыл бұрын

They don't force it, you just lose the opportunity to get gear from the previous bosses. You can easily skip if you don't need the gear.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeev55 Thanks for the clarification! Still, that seems like a weird choice. Do you know why they designed it that way?

Happy Holidays!

Playing on a jp server it became if you cannot get the kill in 2 pulls everyone just leaves. It kinds sucks. Really did not like gearing extream trials in SB at launch. Was like pulling teeth since you go through so many groups. Then have to wait for a group to form. So I guess it just depends on region.

@tallguy112

2 жыл бұрын

Also on the gear path it is a little annoying that there is only 1 gear path in FF. I like having options from raid m+ and maybe even PvP.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that! That doesn't align with my experiences thus far, maybe farm groups are less patient with that sort of stuff than practice groups?

@tallguy112

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 It also seems to be a playing on JP server thing. Being Australian it is the best way to have a playable ping. Practice is also expected for clears. It is a very different experience from what you hear from a lot of youtubers. Really heavy dependency on auto translate and being kicked for not knowing the Strat in practice. Have seen people removed because of not knowing where to stand.

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

@@tallguy112 That depends on how you look at it. Crafted gear is equivalent to normal raids and can be augmented to be equivalent to savage, weekly tomestone gear is equivalent to normal raids and can be augmented to be equivalent to savage raid ilvls, catch up raid is equivalent to normal raids, relic weapons can be upgraded to savage ilvl and a little bit beyond. At the start of an expansion things are limited, but as the patches rollout the options expand. With the coming of savage in 2 weeks we get both the weekly tomestone gear and the crafted gear. 6.1 in ~3-4 months will make it easier to augment said gear and provide the catch-up raid gear to help with getting into doing savage content. 6.2 in ~3-4 months after that will include the next progression tier.

@Skasaha_

2 жыл бұрын

ngl I think you've just been super unlucky. I've never had people drop parties before 15m remaining.

You still haven’t got the chance to see progression. Normal mode does not count and comparing a story based encounter with anything is just…. Futile

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn't comparing normal modes to savage mode, my commentary on the normal modes of pandemonium was entirely on how they handled the acquisition of gear, which I really liked. I think its awesome that you can run the fights over and over again until you get the stuff you want. Getting gear is a form of raid progression, so it's a good thing that the normal modes are so good about it, I was dishearted to hear that the savage mode changed up that formula... but I guess I'll have to wait and see how it feels. Anyways, on the topic of what counts as progression... I don't think any of us have any right to say what counts and doesn't. If you found satisfaction and happiness learning a fight on normal, and that brought you joy, who is anyone to say that it was a futile effort. I was watching a streamer I enjoy, and he wiped on A3 several times before getting it down, how is that not progression?

@enyaliosares4301

2 жыл бұрын

@@willyum_plays7750 the entire raid tier on normal mode can be cleared and done in an hour. It's designed to be mindless, story driven and aimed as the ease of aquisition of the lowest entry level gear. Thats not progression in the slightest. you're comparing raiding herioc/mythic vs look for raid basically. When you've done the savage tier gearing progression, the real meat and potatoes of FF14 let me know eh

@noalei

2 жыл бұрын

@@enyaliosares4301 You’re completely right. Comparing normal FFXIV raid “progression” would be like comparing it to WoW LFR raid “progression.”

@Skasaha_

2 жыл бұрын

Normal Raids are one possible source of gear for the Savage Raids, and are absolutely part of progression. They're just the easy mode part. Difficulty is not what is being compared here either, so I have no idea where you got that impression from. Regardless, terrible attitude.

@enyaliosares4301

2 жыл бұрын

@@Skasaha_ comparing the acquisition of gear from a normal mode raid to the acquisition of gear in mythic is not a fair comparison. It’s not remotely the same and does not count as progression. You’re just white knighting for the sake of it. Shit attitude if you ask me

The less rng is in the rewards the better. you can't argue aganist that at all. well, maybe if you work at ea sense of accomplishment and all that.

Fun fact you actually cannot join a party finder group that has it set to farming if you haven't completed the fight. This way you can't piss people off and the learning teams can learn without being bitched at

what i didnt like aout FF bosses is that it is always a square platform / ring which ironically breaks the RP aspect which is FF strong point

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I am with you on that point, it doesn't take me out of the game or anything like that, but it would be cool to see more variety in the shapes of the boss arenas. At the end of the day though, the environments are really cool, and the bosses are the spectacle, so if they never did change up the shapes of the arenas I would still be okay with it.

I killed sylvans on normal,hc and mythic in total of 40 times and bow dropped on 35th kill :)

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

The longest I've gone waiting for a drop in a raid for WoW was.... like 3ish months, I don't know if I was happy when I got the drop or just relieved that I didn't have to worry about it anymore :P.

Lots of people critisizing this raid tier not being challenging enough. its the first raid tier of the DLC of course its not going to be challenging as we progress through patches its going to get harder and harder.

Wait until you try Savage xD

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Hey there! I have been progressing through savage this tier, it's been so much fun! It's such a great experience learning fights in Final Fantasy XIV.

Great vid! Earned a sub.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Happy Holidays!

I think of WoW as a ratwheel

This has the appearance of being disingenuous. I don't think you are being disingenuous. Flip this on its head, if your point was ffxiv raiding was awful because it's so much easier to clear and get gear people would rightfully be upset because it isn't giving a fair look at FF raids. You've done the same only in the direction of not being fair to WoW on your point of gearing. Savage gearing works very differently to normal. Yes it is still easier with books/tokens in ff, but that's still 4/6/8 weeks of clearing a fight to get 1 piece of gear if you're unlucky. It also is made worse by not addressing savage at all in this video. It's great points about gearing to get into savage, but not looking at endgame as a whole.

@MugiwarasNakama

2 жыл бұрын

Savage gear is not at all hard to get. And the gear itself is worthless lol... At the end of the day the whole value of gear is in it's efficacy to help you get through the raids. In FFXIV the raids are NOT balanced to require you to be in full BiS. In FFXIV getting the clear is all that matters. Afterwards you just farm the content as much as you are willing to do. Or if you aren't interested in the gear you can just wait till the odd number patches to get your gear through the catch up mechanics. Or you do what most people that only care about the raid content and don't give two shits about the gear. You just wait till the next raid tier to come out and do first week prog with the crafted set. Gear is inconsequential in FFXIV.

@Yadamane

2 жыл бұрын

@@MugiwarasNakama That's only true if you have no intention of doing Ultimates. Also, the usefulness of the gear is irrelevant when trying to compare how easy it is to get. Mounts are useless too, but people spend a lot of time farming them. It doesn't change how easy or hard they are to get.

@MugiwarasNakama

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yadamane The take away from this whole discussion isn't actually how hard or easy to get gear is. But the fact that in WoW gear is essential to the point where you can't do anything without it... and getting the gear you want is in many cases impossible. Wheras in FFXIV all you need to do is set a goal for yourself and you will eventually get there. That is the argument that is being made and it's unequivocally true regardless of how you feel about it.

@Yadamane

2 жыл бұрын

@@MugiwarasNakama Claiming what a arguments is is rarely "unequivocally true." The entire academic field of history is proof of that. To pretend that your interpretation of the video is objectively true is top tier arrogance.

@adrianlima2776

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this video is clearly very very biased. I thought it was going to be a more objective analysis but every section is “ final fantasy does X thing better because they do it in a way that I prefer”

Lol, people actually bother with meeting the minimum ilvl requirement for normal raids? I just went to pf and gathered up a party, boom, I skipped that part and jumped up in ilvl when I inevitably won the accessories.

My first moment of "nerd screams" was clearing Second Coil Turn 4 (T9 for short) when it was new content - got a clear in the PF.. did feel like most of the party knew what they were doing, and I was working on it for months before static disband - been a long time raider lol Now.. I'm a RDM searching for a static lol

I dont like ffxiv.played full msq all blue quests. Extreme and savage fights.its just too slow with These gcd

It's weird how people act like it's physically impossible to play older content blind and grind on it like it's "progress".

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's impossible, but it certainly is more of a challenge to find players for it.

@mesothelimoa341

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think that's one of the greatest things about FFXIV. It's incredibly dull soloing through all the older raids in WoW, especially when there is absolutely no reason to. Being able to level and gear sync with each raid tier and run as intended is a much better system, and you can also get tombstones from doing so.

8ppl wins

Did my first normal raids in Endwalker and it just felt like WoW lfr

@Lv28fighter

2 жыл бұрын

Yea. The normal difficulty is for story. The savage is the harder tier. Not sure how it would compare to mythic , though. My group took 8 hours across 1 month to do E9S, and that was with 2/8 being experienced and 6/8 being first timers.

@F1ipsydez

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lv28fighter Excited to try Savage. Seems like it will be a lot of fun.

@chinami_xiv

2 жыл бұрын

@@F1ipsydez you'll have lots of fun, if you've got a static then you're in for a great experience! Gl with 1st week progression :D

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

They were pretty easy, but I don't think they were quite that easy! Savages should be a fun time, can't wait to see how they change them up!

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lv28fighter I'm looking forward to see how progression feels in savage compared to mythic. I'm sure they won't be 1:1 due to how the games design their encounters, but it should be a good time!

you need to remember at the time this video was posted, Savage raid content for FFxiv has not been released yet. So stating information on current savage content when it hasn't been released is very misleading.Please do better, if your going to provide info on content that has not been released yet.

"comparison" >shows NO wow gameplay definitely no bias here

Clicked off as soon as I heard you're comparing WoW hardcore raid prog to current FFXIV Endwalker content. There's no ultimate nor savage difficulty raids out yet for this xpac. All the content we got so far is just prelude to the actual raid content. Normal raids are pretty much puggable LFR bosses and Extreme trials, while somewhat more difficult, in no way compare to turn 2/3/4 savage bosses or ultimate, or WoW's mythic bosses (except maybe like the first 3 of any given tier?), to drive your comparison. Should've waited a few more weeks to make this video chief and it would have been actually interesting to watch. This way it just feels like it's capitalizing on the current EW hype. I could make this video in reverse and basically go "I had to farm BiS gear in FFXIV and clear the current savage tier to unlock ultimate, but in WoW when I got to max level I could just queue for the raid??? That's crazy!!!" Completely meaningless apples to oranges comparison. Sorry for the harsh language.

Congrats, the bald one was here.

@willyum_plays7750

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, really... that's awesome!

This is so biased lmaooo

So 1/2 way in.. FF14 gives out more loot and content is less hard? 👍 the game is “easy” and that’s why everyone loves it? Ok, ruin wow by making it easy then jump to a kids mode game. 👍

@Athai_

2 жыл бұрын

There is no "raid progression" yet as the savage modes have not been released yet and this guy was comparing everything to the normal mode fights which are just mindless basic gearing