Cost of ownership would be interesting to compare as well 🙂

Just purchased a Pan Am Special here in the states and it’s really cool how it breakdown against other bikes from a different countries pov

Very informative and a professional assessment of the 4 bikes. Mant thanks!!!

thank you for an excellent, in depth analysis, watched with great interest as my new 1250GSA arrives in March. Very relieved as the things I care about scored highly for the GS: torque, economy and range as these count on long touring rides

Appreciate your hard work sir, you did very nice comparison..I hope including lots of riders..life becomes easy..thanks

Ton of work, that! Top notch analysis. Thanks!

I still have the Mk1 Triumph Explorer 1200 (2012), and it has been the absolute best of motorcycles to date. 70K KMS of which 37K+ KMS has been around Ireland alone. Up and down some pretty difficult, testing, trying roads for some wild camping etc., plus good highway riding. My opinion (mine only), is that just like BMW drivers, you have the same ilk of BMW adventure riders……entitled!!!! I cannot wait for the new 2022 Tiger 1200…… main reasons why I selected the Triumph over a BMW? Comfort, reliability (electronics), frugal fuel, maintenance costs (have done most of the maintenance myself), triple sound (exhaust), and overall not acting like a BMW prat owner. Top heavy? It has never bothered me. - I’m 6’4”, 110kgs, riding mostly with pillion, and camping gear……could not ask for a better bike…….roll on the 2022 explorer !!!!!!!

This is hands down the best comparison/shootout that I have seen on this platform. Well done mate! 👍👍

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! 👍

Really this channel is one of the best motorcycle channels on KZread. You really answered all my questions in one video. I hope to see the Yamaha Super Tenere in this comparison as well. Thanks

I found that analysis very interesting and insightful,thank you very much✌️

awesome breakdowns. Thank you so much!!

I have a 2020 tiger 1200 explorer and it is an absolutely awesome bike. Comfortable, lots of torque in sport mode particularly, some off road ability in that mode, and it always has more to give for passing, even at some pretty good speeds. My eye wanders to a scrambler once in awhile for a different riding experience, but if you only have the space or budget for one bike, the tiger is an excellent choice. I have heard the new 2022 is even more well balanced than mine, but as a tall rider, I don’t find it very top heavy. For smaller riders, consider the Tiger 900.

Good comparison. No random rambling while riding. Just good, solid facts.

That was extremely comprehensive good job!

I love the DCT on my Gold Wing. But now I'm in the market for an adventure bike and I'm torn between the DCT of the Africa Twin, and the shaft drive on the Tiger 1200 Rally. Both feature have value. So which will be most/least missed on a BDR ride?

Nailed it once again BIL. Research, research, research- awesome-, thanks BIL.

Great Comparison. Very Helpful in deciding on choice of bike

This video was excellent. Thank you for producing it.

Dammm this is the best comparison I've ever saw. Best one mate👌🏻

I have already purchased mine, the 2021 Africa Twin and I got a great discount too. Do yourself a favor and just get the Honda, the least expensive, the most reliable, the cheapest to maintain and the only one with a DCT transmission. O-boy, what a fantastic ride.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

That Africa Twin is damn tempting. There's one sitting on the showroom floor at my local dealer and it's taking all my will power to not think of that bike. I keep reminding myself that I need to wait for the NT1100 as it may turn out to be a better bike for me. Or maybe another bike I'm planning to test ride may be the best. Must be patient, must be patient. 😉

@kmohan24

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Africa Twin DCT a glorified Scooter 😉

@user-gv5yc5vf4u

2 жыл бұрын

As long as you like African twins, we are good friends😉

@mamo4104

2 жыл бұрын

@@kmohan24 You will find out and appreciate the DCT during stop and go rush hours and traffic jams in the congested highways.

@mamo4104

2 жыл бұрын

@@kmohan24 You will find out and appreciate the DCT during stop and go rush hours and traffic jams in the congested highways. You will find out and appreciate the DCT during stop and go rush hours and traffic jams in the congested highways.

Some great info, that's well put together. Cheers

Gotta love the numbers; well done! A few more numbers I’d like to see would be production and distribution. How many bikes have rolled off the line and where did they end up?

Thank you for the video. Very interesting and informative.

Great assessment. Thanks for info. I liked the virtual drag race. R 1250 GSA is my choice.

Very informative. Hope you can keep it. Btw I'll go for Africa Twin

@SticksAandstonesBozo

2 жыл бұрын

I love them but my god they are gigantic.

@man16812

Жыл бұрын

@@SticksAandstonesBozo got a fully loaded 2022 ATAS ES DCT the past week, it’s absolutely manageable to me, I’m used to “big bikes”. Already done 900km in a week, I love this beast.

Great comparison, as usual. Thanks. Question to you…. After doing this comparison, which would you buy?

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

You know what, that's a very good question. At the moment, on paper I like them all equally. So far I've only ridden the Pan America. Once I've ridden them I'll be in a much better position to answer that question. For me personally I'd also add the NT1100 to this list. 😉

Awesome. Thanks for the information

Cheers for a well-made and informative video. I don't think it was any surprise that the AT came in as the best value. Also the most capable and reliable for proper adventuring.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gregs!

Excellent information source well done some work producing all them stats, and we do get mugged on petrol in the UK.

I think you are right on the drag race, hard to call. The GS has better low end, but is shaft drive. The triumph has better top end, but again has shaft drive. So maybe the Harley would edge them out with the chain drive.

@user-pf5js4hz9n

2 жыл бұрын

Crf1100 DCT best for drag race.

@texanbill6032

2 жыл бұрын

Having ridden all four of them, and owned two of them, the Pan America is the quickest. The Honda is by far the slowest, but it’s more off road oriented so that’s to be expected.

Do you not think the Pan America would have a little more of an edge on the Tiger on that last comparison as it is chain driven with less transmission power loss than the Tiger?

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking about it more I reckon you're right Terry 👍

Good analysis. The Tiger 1200 got more expensive with all the improvements they made. $4K USD more since 2020. I have a 2020 1200 and it's tank is only 5.3 Gallons - that's a huge increase. As for your virtual drag strip - I think the quick shifters will make the HD lag in that race.

@marcdroste4217

2 жыл бұрын

HD 2022 also comes with option QS

Correction harley davidson does offer a quickshifter. From screaming eagle

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they do now. 😏

Great review. In Australia the BMW seems to have the best resale value. Also would be interesting to compare servicing intervals and maintenance cost.

@BikesILike

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Peter!

Excellent comparisons! Once the Pan America is out of it's power band much changes. An snip here from a Revzilla article says "As an experiment we did a roll-on test at 60 mph, both bikes in top gear and spinning almost exactly 3,500 rpm: The 1250 GS walked away like the Pan America was towing a trailer." I think out of the four bikes presented here, I'd have the Triumph. However it is cost prohibitive for me so I'd end up with the Honda.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason! Re torque, after riding the Pan America I can see how that would be the case. One of the reasons I generally prefer torque to horsepower.

Great in-depth interesting review well done 😀

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony!

On fuel costs, I understand the Africa twin has lower compression & runs on 91RON. Do the others all required 95+, which adds 15-20c (~10%) a litre to fuel costs here?

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure

Just a note the 22MY does have a quick shifter available £300 optional fit

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that was announced after making this video

Love this data - thanks

Interesting review thank you . I have a Pan America and love it . Cheers from New Zealand

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Billy! A Pan America in NZ could be the perfect combination.

Great video! Cheers from Brazil

Este es el tipo de informe que realmente cumple con una buena investigación comparativa , felicidades.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Muchísimas gracias 👍

i would be interested in the fuel storage. The KTM 1290 stores it's fuel lower as i understand making it more nimble. Which of these is more top heavy. This was the big complaint on the old tiger but supposed to be much better now. Which has the lowest center of gravity?

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

When it comes to COG, I think they've all learned some lessons. After riding the Pan America I can attest it feels very well balance and definitely not top heavy. I'm expecting these bikes to be all well balanced with the Africa Twin possibly being the most top heavy? Having said that, picking the AT up off the stand felt very manageable. 👍

@beri232

2 жыл бұрын

The KTM will roast your newtons in the summer months. Having come from a Harley Softail…. I don’t want my newtons roasted anymore in hot, stop & go traffic. Hence I have ruled out the KTM and have to decide between BMW and Triumph.

Thank you very much for comparing and contrasting these popular motorcycles.For me, shaft drive is a must,so it would be between the Triumph and the BMW.The Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 is still available here in the U.S. for 2022,although difficult to find.I would also give that one serious consideration.👍🏻👍🏻

Great video as always, I personally chose the R1250GS (not Adventure). My off-road riding is no more than a gravel road. But the way GS behaves in town and low speed also almost no dive front suspension is ideal for two up and luggage riding. My personal experience with the attitude of HD dealers hasn’t been great either. Also I believe there’s a lot of issues with Honda quality lately. ( I had a Rebel 1100 DCT for a few months, paint in the forks came off and the were a lot of bubbles in the engine casing) and not to mention the awful suspension )

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nick! I think they're all great bikes. Very interested to hear your Honda build quality issues, I wouldn't have expected that.

@nickfozouni8126

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike I didn’t want to bore you but since you care about the details: I put a deposit for the Honda start of February last year, it was delivered to my place mid lockdowns in August. Next day I found out that the paint from the bottom end of the fork was chipped. There was no sign of impact and I could chip more and more paint with my fingernails. There was little adhesion to metal. Dealer didn’t take responsibility at all. I looked in more detail and the engine casing paint was so thin and there were visible bubbles in the car throughout. I wish I had photos. The suspension was terrible I’m 80kg but the rear suspension was bottoming out on the kerb out of my garage and annoyingly uncomfortable when riding with my wife. Also the pillion back rest and panniers accessories never showed up.

@nickfozouni8126

2 жыл бұрын

I looked at forums and apparently the casting issues are a lot more common in Africa Twins kzread.info/dash/bejne/pYSTz5uRca7SlZc.html

@nickfozouni8126

2 жыл бұрын

Over the years I have purchased brand new Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Kawasakis and BMW BMW purchase experience has been head and shoulders above the rest

Wow! I had no idea pricing varied so much from country to country. I'll be surprised if the BMW will have better fuel mileage. Excellent summary. 👍👍

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Flat Cap! Yeah I can only go on quoted figures unfortunately but I would expect the higher revving bikes to use more fuel. 👍

@flatcapcaferacer

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike You know your thinking is probably better than my gut feeling. 👍

@waynebrissette9459

2 жыл бұрын

Having owned two of these bikes, I can tell you from experience that none of them get anywhere close to the stated MPG. When I owned the HD PAS, I was getting about 34.5 MPG (US), with the BMW GSA, I'm getting about 38 MPG (US). I severely disappointed in the range of the HD. I suspect a lot of this has to do with how high they run the compression ratio. I also really wonder how well it's going to do with various fuel mixtures around the globe. Bottom line, specs are one thing, but real-life adventure tells the true story.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

@@waynebrissette9459 You get no arguments from me. The only problem I have is I have no way of really knowing actual figures unless I've owned all the bikes I'm reviewing, so I'm left relying on manufacturers figures. I figure they're all stretching the truth to a similar amount we should at least be able to determine which is most fuel efficient and which will use more fuel. That's my thinking at least.

Top of the range Triumph with everything on it that you can came in at £22,270.90 the 1250 TE GSA 40th with all the 719option items (which I like) £21205 then you have to add the boxes and anything else to bring it up to the 1200 spec and of course, no radar but Ive survived to age 60 so that's not really a selling point for me, I live in Scotland and if I was riding roads all the time like the roads of the North West 500 I would take the Honda with the DCT having owned a 1200GS and currently ride a BMW1600 and having no experience of the Triumph I would probably opt for the GSA but that's not to say after a test ride my choice could change

I 've purchased the 1200 Tiger GT Explorer ... . To be delivered somewhere in June according to the dealer. Wait and see !! My third GS , a °2015-one, will go on sale then.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear your thoughts on the bike when you get it Alain 👍

Good video. Interesting watch !

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Excellent!

It will be an AT for me. Main reason is dealer proximity. There is not a BMW or Triumph dealer near me. I do have a Harley Street Glide, but after looking at the Pan America, it does not feel "right" to me. Thank you for your analysis!

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

I could easily see myself on an Africa Twin 😉

The Tiger 1200 has a really nice fit and finish. It’s upgrades are a plus. The Pan America needs time to sort things out and lacks service history along with fit and finish as the other bikes. The Honda Africa Twin is easy to ride with all day reliability. Japan knows how to build good engines with value added features for the most bang for the money. The GS runs on it’s lengthy history which doesn’t always translate to a better product as it should. Instead of leading, BMW for years gotten complacent with it’s entire line. Maybe this is a smart thing, as they get to see what others are doing. In 22 BMW finally brought some tech and cockpit upgrades to it’s R and K touring line. Appreciated but not ground breaking. In 23 the GS is expected to get some weight reduction and other tech upgrades. Hope it’s exciting. Just my .2. Excellent commentary as always.

Well done

Any reason you left out the KTM 1290 ?

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

No reason

Should've included the Multistrada to make it comprehensive.

You should do these comparisons in Singapore with Singapore taxes 🤣

Very interesting, thanks for sharing! The drag race will actually be far closer for a number of reasons. The Honda's DCT already has a hand on the next gear, it's the lightest and its gearing is low. The Tiger and BMW don't need to shut their throttles when changing up gears, unlike the HD. The torque of the BMW will see it clear the line before the Tiger does, but the Triumph's power will catch up at some point depending on how far away the finish line is. The long and short is, it doesn't matter which large ADV bike you're on, because I've already left you behind on my Ducati Multistrada V4S! 😆

@awesomeagnihotrisvlog

2 жыл бұрын

lol …safe and happy miles Richard 👍

@lethargicstove2024

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t matter you’ll be stuck at the dealership 🤣

@RichDunn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lethargicstove2024 With 9k minor service intervals and 36k valve checks, very unlikely! 😁

@lethargicstove2024

2 жыл бұрын

@@RichDunn that’s pretty good 👍

@RichDunn

2 жыл бұрын

@@lethargicstove2024 My friend has nearly 30k miles on his MTS V4 with no problems experienced. The new Tiger 1200 will have 10k services (shaft drive and 8-gallon tank too), but I suspect valve checks will be every 20k; which are easy on a boxer twin, not bad on an inline triple, and oh dear on a V4!

Your review was fine, but listing the 'cost of filling the tank' was silly. I bet filling each tank with 5 gal. would cost about the same. And why would you use the Honda 'DCT' version? It weighs an extra 22 pounds (yes, I'm from the U.S.,) and none of the other brands have an automatic transmission option.

Great video 👍

Great video !

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I guess it all depends on tariffs applied by each government

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Someone else raised tariffs so I ran the same test using US bikes and US prices and got the same result, actually the Street Glide ST was slightly more expensive in the US when compared to the 3 Honda's I selected.

AT puts its bhp to better use than all the other bikes..its also the best all round :)

Good efforts

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I think the Africa Twin can use regular 86 octane gas so fuel would actually be less than the other bikes.

Is KTM missing????

No KTM or Ducati in the antipodes? I'll stick with my 1290SAS as I'm chasing that guy on the V4S ;-)

Full tank of fuel on the tiger/GSA here in Norway today, will cost you 58.89£ ore 92.31AUD.🇳🇴☕ Great comparesing video sir

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Wow Europeans really do pay a premium for fuel. Thank you and thanks for letting me know 👍

@toby7504

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike we are a country of 5 millon and we are going to save the planet in form of skyhigh emission taxes. Thats why its so expensive. Its not clean if its not cost the consumer anything😄🇳🇴☕

@dndiandgary

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike $83 here in NZ

BMW has 860mm seat height.

30 ltrs is just Dandy

Great rundown. I dint think Harley expects Americans generally to pay dearly for the Pan..too steeped in the cruisers. Surprised that it calls to me a little, but nothing like the AT in black does, and thanks to you, I can tell my wife I'm thinking about the lower price tag!! LOL Got my lights up in the studio, won't be long before I kick in with the channel.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Awesome! looking forward to seeing it! 👍

people buy the fat ones out of brand loyalty, I get BMW's when I am back in UK purely because the bike mechanic at the local dealer is a genius. Out here in my part of Asia everyone prefers small engine two stroke for off road work, stuff you can pick up even if you broke your ankle.

The GS I know for a fact won't get 50mpg. Loaded it gets 34mpg. 60k of miles and 2 cross country trips can confirm that finding.

The Tiger would be faster considering the quick shifter

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but as others have rightly pointed out it will also lose some power to the ground because of the shaft drive. It would be interesting.

4.75 L/100km for 1250GS? Seriously???

In my country I would pay €62 = $97 AUD to fill up the tiger.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! Which country is that Herman? And is that typical of Europe in general?

@hermanstokbrood

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike The Netherlands. Fuel is exceptional high priced in my country. Neighbor countries are a bit cheaper.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermanstokbrood Interesting, thanks for letting me know 👍

Damn, you've got some cheap petrol over there. In Norway 30L will set you back 101 AUD, 76USD only because the price went down slightly. And American complaints on high 'gas' price🤣

Thank you for this well-presented comparison. I'm two months away from buying a new adventure touring bike for a planned trip around North America, a "pan-American", which is somewhat ironic in that I would NOT consider the Harley, even at half the price. My short list is currently the Tiger, the AfroTwin and the Beemer. (nice work KZread algorithm for bringing me here!). Leaning towards the Triumph. The GS really is owning the segment, but I find the front wheel feels sort of floaty on the road... disconnected. I'm looking forward to a Tiger test ride. My friends are all yelling "Africa Twin!" for some reason.

You need add KTM 1290 SAS

@raffymann3901

2 жыл бұрын

e ducati multistrada v4

In India its 55 AUD . 😭😭

I've had 5 GS's, the last one a 1250 GSA. They are fuel efficient, but 4.75? Nope.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

That's what BMW is quoting. What's your real world experience?

@matsrekdal3065

2 жыл бұрын

@@BikesILike 5.5-5.7

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

@Mats Rekdal Thanks Mats! 👍

Fuel comparison was useless and a waste of time. It’s just price x volume. Has nothing to do with the bikes.

MCN did a long term review of the Harley. The guy liked the bike very much, but was really let down by the reliability. Not something you want if you’re interested in long range touring and long intervals between mechanical assistance. Not so much of an issue in the UK, Europe, or the US, but in Australia with its smaller population centres and long distances between, reliability is a key factor IMO.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I saw that! Very concerning. I hope they get those reliability issues sorted.

go ride the bikes

Where ktm super adventure🙄🙄🙄

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know

You didn't do a "best looking" column! This is essential for a lot of us 'bike tarts'. Having said that I can tell you that the Harley would win by a country mile. It is one of the ugliest bikes ever made.I'd have to have my eyes burned out before ever sticking a leg over one. The others all follow a tried and tested format, now accepted my most. Nice vid :-)

This video proves spec sheet comparisons are garbage. Seat height is misleading when you can’t take seat width into account. The Pan Am has a very wide seat which will make it feel taller then it is. The Africa Twin has a very narrow seat in comparison. I know. I owned a Pan Am Special and I own the same Africa you used to compare. Stated fuel mileage is a joke. Sure, put the bike in rain mode and limp it down a backroad until it runs out of fuel. Yup, that’s stated mileage. Put it in full power mode and ring its neck. That’s actual mileage. Stated power and torque are always garbage once put on a dyno. Every company over states their numbers. That Pan Am that claims 150hp is actually more like 130hp. A virtual drag race based off power to weight ratio? You’ve absolutely never drag raced before. Traction control and how well it works, how the suspension gets the power to the ground, type of transmission, how does the clutch hook up. Aerodynamics and drag. These are a few of the things that would affect a drag race. It isn’t simply power vs weight. Owning a DTC, it would beat all these off the line and be right there with them at the end. People should go find videos where these bikes are compared side by side by actual riders in Person. Better yet, people should really go out and at minimum sit on the bikes they want to compare. If possible, ride them yourselves. I get you’re trying to make content to help people out but it’s misleading and just not good content.

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying you didn't like my video? 🤔

@BikesILike

2 жыл бұрын

@@nuttySweeet Don't worry, I've decided to have a break from making KZread videos. I will not be spreading misinformation for a while.