This was really useful, thank you, actual data, good comparison on different surfaces, really appreciate the post.

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Great job, I learn a lot. You guys spend so much energy doing this video that you should receive an award.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I was looking for a comparison like this and you made a great distinction with some accessible example situations to share. I am sure the possibilities of various work sites are numerous, but I appreciate the help in forming an opinion about each device in your testing scenarios.

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Thank You! There wasn't a lot of videos on youtube comparing these, so I figured why not make one.

Thanks for taking your time to do this!

thank you for making such comparison on different soil type.

I've used them all and like the hand tamper least because it's so labor intensive and gets such a minimal result. I love to use the vibraplate in true sand, gravel, or rock so long as it has containment, but hands down we go to the Jumping Jack when we really have to hit 90-95% compaction in small areas where we can't get a sheep's foot or roller. Loved the video...

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! yea I agree with you 100%

@barcotics1880

11 ай бұрын

i find that using the hand tamper on asphalt is the best application of the tool particularly in hard to reach spaces for larger equipment

Good video. Really. I’m about to compact soils in a trench and I took away some good info from you. Thanks.

Thank you for this great video. Helped a lot in determining what to use for my garage pavers.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Great! I'm glad it helped

Peace Family, Really appreciated this presentation, keep up the great work. Respect

Thanks, I'll going to buy jumping jack now first of all, but it's good to have three of them.

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

If you have the $$$$ yea! Its great to have all 3

Thank you for making this video. Very helpful!!!!

Great video! Just what I was looking for.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Great! glad it helped

Great video - very useful advice. Surprised at the jumping jack

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The jumping jack does pack a punch!

Thanks for the great comparison!

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Thanks for this!! Another way to get better tamping is to get heavier duty equipment. Would be interesting to see if the 200lb jumping jack can beat a 1000lb plate compactor. For everyone's reference, based on the product links. weights of items in this video are: - hand tamper 9lb head - plate compactor 207lbs - jumping jack 207lbs Viewers should also note that each compaction type performs better or worse on the type of soil. Jumping jacks are much better on expansive soils (clay) than plate compactors.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

correct, It would be interesting to see weight differences too

5:03 i luv how you get the whole family involved.. lol!

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Its always more fun with family!

Great video mate! You made a good point when mentioned that the jumping jack would be the tool of choice when it comes to applications like driveways in which you need a very solid base. 8:19 been there done that 😄

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

HAHA dude that sucked pulling that stuff up the hill! Thanks for the reply

I gotta say the slope challenge made me chuckle.. I have a job of repairing sloping pavers in my garden.. the hand tamper wins ! Thanks for uploading this video guys 😊

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

haha, thanks

@georgehofgren6123

Жыл бұрын

Actually the rammer probably could have done the slope well, and easily, but by working Across from top to bottom, instead of straight up or down - (thx)-

This was so helpfull, we are trying to fix our backyard, and we dont have an idea of any of this. Huge huge help. Thanks

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very helpful data. I am filling in potholes with asphalt millings and wanted to be sure that the jumping jack tamper was the tool for the job. Clearly it is.

Thanks for this! Now I can ignore the people telling me a hand tamper will do next to nothing!

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Glad this helped. Its impressive what a little elbow grease can do!

Good Video! A big concept that wasn't mention was that a Tamper/Rammer should be used on cohesive material, and a plate compactor is to be used on granular material.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Good tip, thanks for the reply

Wow! Great informative video. Thank you for taking the time to do this video for people like me who don't know. God Bless you.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video. This matches with my engineer recommendations.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

That's Great!

Awesome tests. Very helpful data.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Really useful video - great post!

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

filling in a trampoline hole and turning into an eventual fire pit. going with the jumping jack. thanks for the video

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

cool! no problem, thanks for the reply

Excellent Video. Many thanks.

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for your job guys.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Awesome job showing all the strengths. Was hoping the jumping jack would do better on a slope - have some pond banks I want to compact!

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

I've run a diesel jumping jack that was a lot heavier, that thing packed a punch. perhaps look for one like that. they also make an attachment for excavators to compact if you're super serious about it.

great test buddy. I hope you are well. keep it up.

@appalachiandiy2415

9 ай бұрын

Thanks

The bottom line, each of these "tools" has its advantages and disadvantages. I have owned a Wacker plate compactor & jumping-jack compactor for many years. The tool that I strongly favor (as a homeowner with a variety of residential tasks) is the plate compactor, hands down.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the plate compactor is very simple and easy to use. Not a back-breaker. I ended up buying a jumping jack after I made this video, but i'm doing more structural things like footers for my garage and house so I wanted the max compaction I could get. Thanks for the reply!

@hdddgg

Жыл бұрын

​@@appalachiandiy2415 any advice on trenc3e

Very helpful and self explanatory video Keep it up bro

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great laser! I bought the same one years ago.

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I use mine a lot

Thank you. looking for something like this.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Your welcome!

Great video. Thanks.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

@Kris DeBruine thank you!

Great video, very helpful, thank you!

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Excellent!!!

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Great Video!

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Great vid!

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video. Thank you.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great Experience.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it was!

Very helpful.

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

great video man awesome

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video. Did you try multiple passes with the vibration plate to see if that increased the compaction any further? Can you get results similar to the jumping jack after multiple passes with the vibration plate?

Very useful

Good compersion

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks Dude!

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Your welcome!

I have to regrade a front yard to add a slope. Ideally I’ll do it over the course of a month or two. Would you recommend the Jack or the compactor?

So the little guy is the chief giving instructions how you do the work.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

@SY haha yea he like to find his way into the vids

@SY-ky8xi

3 жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 I believe so!

Very nice friends ❤️🙏🙏

After watching your video I now realize that machine compaction is not practical for my 30 degree slope. Looks like wet compaction with a lot of hand tamping is my best choice aside from a compactor mounted on heavy equipment. I'm installing granite steps. Thanks so much, great comparison, awesome job with the video.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Wow a 30° slope! That will suck to hand tamp for sure. Good luck

Building my own house and about to compact my footer down with some powdery gravel. I think I will use a cheap jackhammer with a tamper bit.

Glad I watched. I would of thought the plate compactor would win out.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

It is way better for speed, but for compaction, the tamper is the best

Awesome video love the fam in the video wil subscribe thanks

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yea they tend to get wrangled in some times

thank you appreciated

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

Use the Jumping jack for moistened soils in trenches and deep fills. Not to wet and not too dry. Dry soils can fool You by looking muddy on the surface while being dry as talc under the muddy surface . Extremely wet , muddy and unstable soils and clay can be stabilized by aeration , addition of gravel and lime or cement . In extremely wet areas permeable base materials may be better suited than those with fine clay binder. To prevent excessive water intrusion into a recent backfill during rain , cover the fill with visqueen plastic sheeting over graded fill that facilitates water flow to sump drainage points where it can be pumped out. Then when ready to finish grade and compact the subsoil with the Jumping jack , the plastic can be quickly removed . Without the plastic rain can quickly add enough water to make drying out the sub base very time consuming and costly. The compactor will be hard to run in the “ plastic “ material becoming unmanageable. “ Pumping “ of the subsoil will reflect into the base and pavement surface. Even if a stable crust can be achieved that facilitates paving it will later shrink and fail as the moisture evaporates out in dry summer conditions causing shrinkage and opening of the joints. A trench pave over such base that is subjected to heavy traffic can also undulate under loads causing a wavy bumpy surface. The J or Jumping Jack Tamper Compactor should ideally begin to rebound as the soil achieves maximum density and stability. First courses of asphalt base Rock can be compacted likewise with regrading to a even surface as the trench come up to paving depth. Then the plate compactor can be used. The initial excavation should be wide enough to allow the plate to fit into it full width. On larger broad areas both roller and plate can be used keeping each lift of material to 3-4 inches thick . Vibration will densify materials but can also bring water up into soils in areas of wet substrate. Narrow trenches of approximately 6” width may save on material cost’s like base and asphalt but are more time consuming to compact with small air powered compactors. They can also be filled with controlled density fill a slurry of sand and cement that will settle and harden . Then the surface width can be increased to a depth of approx 2”-3 “ by a width determined by the Engineer or local specifications to form a T Patch that helps to inhibit water intrusion through the joint. Experience has shown that straight line cuts with rough ground faces are easier to work with , professional looking and the new asphalt when rolled and compacted “ Key” into the existing surrounding surface to form a tighter more impervious bound that resists water intrusion. When patching in excess of 2-21/2 “ of asphalt it is best to do it in 2 lifts . Large areas can be done in one lift either in avg. 2” -2and 1/2 “ or Avg 3” try to get the Base finely tuned for grades with finished surface grade in Mind .

Awesome video, and answered what I needed. Only have a 7.5 sq metre area that I want to pave, I just cannot justify the cost of the plate compacter when it ends up being nearly half the cost just to rent it (things are not cheap down under). Wanted to know if a hand tamper would be good enough and it seems it will. It's not load-bearing anything just enough to keep the pavers straight.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Nice, yes plate compactors are expensive. I typically always rent too

THANKSGIVING

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Putting down stone for a carport parking pad. Want to rent a plate compactor but after checking rental prices, I'll be hand tamping 😂

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Aww man! Buy some Tylenol then

Thanks for sharing this interesting video. I tried the plate vibrator for my decomposed granite patio; I liked it, but it was very heavy to load and unload off my trailer. I'm going to rent a jumping jack tomorrow, because it seems like it will be easier to manoeuvre on my paths. I have a hand tamper, but it's only for awkward spots. That rental yard looks super. I'd use it if I were near by, but I'm in California. Do you think you do a video on using the laser level? Thank you, Daniel

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

The jumping jack tampers are a little more cumbersome and awkward when loading unloading than the plate tampers. Yes, that seems like it would be a good video for the laser, Thanks for the reply and good luck.

Did I just find the legendary thingamabob?

I haven't even gotten into the video yet but appreciate you doing this video it's exactly what I was looking for

Thank you very much for the video. I am convinced that I will only need to buy a hand tamper from Lowes since it can lead to the same depth result when compared to a plate compactor even though it does take longer to do so. I hate to pay at least $ 500 for a plate compactor, which will have very limited use, and to put it in my already tight garage after recently adding a table saw and a miter saw.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Great! I'm glad this video helped you out. Storage is always a huge problem, finding room for all of our toys!

@joekelley1734

4 жыл бұрын

Is tool rental an option where you are?

@passion830217

4 жыл бұрын

The nearest store that have tool rentals is 100 miles away. Rental is my last resort anyway.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

@@joekelley1734 Yes, there are multiple stores that offer tool rentals

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

@@passion830217 Man! that sucks.

Great video, very helpful, thanks for sharing it! Question: can I use any of these machines if it is raining? I am trying to level my yard and compact the mason sand but it doesn’t stop raining. With the hand tamper is not being productive. Thanks.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

ramer/tamper, I would say no. It has to much force and you will probably just make ruts. Try the vibe plate. that is the most gentle with little impact force. and Thanks!

I would've loved to see if doubling the time with the hand tamper would've achieved a more comparable result to the machines, especially because that would mimick much more what we'd do in the real world.

Seems like for the slope you could just use an excavator and press, because most buckets are rounded maybe make a special attachment in the shape of a large tamper, make it 4140 steel, maybe 2'x2' and 1/4" thickness, depending on the size of your machine, just so long as it fits the bucket pins/hitch.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Yes if you have an excavator. They also make tampers that are hydraulic driven and fit onto the arm of an excavator.

Nice useful for me to

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks for the reply

Should you wet soil before you start to compact?

I put in a rock pad for a 10 X 16 pre-built building I ordered , do you think the plate compactor would be sufficient enough ? I like the idea of having a nice smooth finish.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

all depends on your soil and if had been disturbed. if you put it over ground that was not dug up or disturbed and gave it a good tamp. you should be ok.

Thank good to see in use but you didn't address the different soils . clay /cohesive vs sandy

thnk !!!

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Ever considered that you can do 3 or 4 passes with the plate compactor for every 1 on the jumping jack with less wear on your body and get possibly deeper compaction minute for minute?

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

I think there is a point where the plate compactor cannot compact anymore due to the energy it puts out. The jumping jack tamper generates more energy at compaction than the plate tamper. So no matter how many passes you do with either, there is a point where each machine simply cannot compact anymore and it boils down to which can "hit" harder.

@Rickimusic

4 жыл бұрын

It wont happen. Jumper is just too powerful and with a smaller foot, would eat up a plate, even if you ran the plate all day. Mind you, ALL reputable companies use a jumper in ditches where settling is a no no and we have professional soil testers on site who would toss you and your plate out when back filling excavations. We have gone as deep as 21 feet with storm sewers using 2A modified with 12" lifts and never had a compaction fail nor a street settle/sink. There is a big secret to running a jumper. Never push it or fight it, always lean it back about 5 degrees and let it jump its way forward plus, never leave it sit in one spot and dig a hole, In short, keep it moving at its pace, not your pace.

@WizmanG1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rickimusic I am in learning mode here. I am not disputing your claim but it contradicts everything I am reading about the proper way of compacting different types of material. Cohesive V.S. Granular. If a jumping jack if far superior to a plate compactor in every way, why do they make them? Over compaction is a real thing and can be just as bad as under compaction. Trying to learn and there are very few informative resources on the internet on this subject.

Can i use ramer/jumper inside house? I am worried about vertical foundation, as displacing soil could damage it. What you think?

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

just stay about a foot away from it. Are you going to pour a slab? Also, make sure you got some good ventilation if gas powered

Awesome content! Can I use a jumping jack to compact a 12 inch lift on a plastic gas line?

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

hmmm. never worked around plastic gas line before so I can't say. I would recommend sand or stone dust for your first lift so you don't have to compact then on your next lift compact. That's just my thoughts but maybe check with guys who do that kind of work. and if you find out comment back cuz I would like to know for myself, Thanks!

how much does compaction impact a patio slab?

That slope was quite extreme, do you think the plate compactor would have worked in a less steep slope?

Sideways on the hill😅 Nice video

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Yea that was kinda tough!

Complete Compaction is not measured by depth. A Resistance meter or geoguage is expensive way . One can use lateral forces applied by machine to meet code requirements for complete compaction. Other methods may cause structural sub-base Deficiencies.

@appalachiandiy2415

5 жыл бұрын

Super scientific! Yea this was just a simple comparison to how they operated and compacted. Thanks for the reply

Hello this is a great video. I have to level my ground for a pool. Once I get the dirt leveled do you think the plate would be good enough for an above ground pool?

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

I think a plate will work good. tamp the dirt and then tamp your sand on top to make it nice and smooth

@javiXfone

4 жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 👍🏼 thanks for the reply!

There must be an industrial piece of equipment for slopes, can't imagine a commercial job site having to hand tamp something like that. Video was really good, definitely seems like the plate compactor is the easiest to use overall, although it might drag you a bit. From personal experience I can say the hand tamper is hell on your shoulders and wrists. would love to see if a lawn roller 300-600 pounds is any good.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Yea I don't know what companies would use on slopes. The lawn roller would be interesting but would have to be out in the open and not in tight quarters. thanks for the reply!

@michael95621

4 жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 absolutely, thanks for the good content. I know for pretty much any thing I'd want to do the plate compactor is the way to go for me unless I had a ranch. I might just buy a lawn roller to see if it will work. Another guy had this lawn leveling tool that looked really interesting too.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

@@michael95621 huh, sounds interesting with the lawn leveling tool

@michael95621

4 жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 this is the guy, fellow KZreadr with some good info as well. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpOi2NysYcepfto.html and the tool ryanknorrlawncare.com/product/lawn-level/

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

That is neat. thanks!

What kind of laser you use , Which one would you recommend if laser , the best compactor you show ,how many pounds of pressure does it impact?

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Topcon and CST/Berger are two of the top brands when it comes to rotary lasers. Ive used the Topcon often and like the way it performs. The jumping jack tamper will deliver around 3500 lbf (Pound Force) im not sure what PSI it will deliver as this is not a unit of measurement used to describe the force it exerts

@user-zi1dz9qn5p

Ай бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 I like the video! If the JJack is 20x20" it is delivering 8 lbs/ in2. The 8x8' Ames tamper in your reference is 0.16 lbs/ in2. The razorback in your demo is about the same. The jumping jack has 50 times the compaction capability; which is obvious with your results.

Any experience compacting soil and then gravel (5/8 minus, for example) under horse stall mats?

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

No experience with that particular job, but in construction, we would compact the dirt, then compact stone on top of that. same concept. a plate tamper might be tough manuvering in a stall. i would hand tamp or use a jumping jack

@MrZOB89

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that would work add a lift of 3/ minus first in top of your soil then a thinner life of 5 minus

Do you have a video on that cool laser level??

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

I do not as of yet. I use it a lot actually and its super handy and not all that expensive. hammerhead is the brand

They have air powered hand tampers that have different tamping plates.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

thats interesting, I've never seen one of those

appreciate the video. just wondering if I could use the plate compactor to level my lawn.? I had my irrigation system installed and my lawn is now bumpy because of the tire marks from the machine they used. Thanks

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yea a plate compactor would work good for the high spots but if there are deep ruts you might have to add some fill.

@ryanhizon9546

4 жыл бұрын

thank you. I appreciate your response.

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanhizon9546 Absolutely

@mightyconker3903

4 жыл бұрын

Bro if you compact the soil the grass won't grow well. Better to use a take to level soil

@appalachiandiy2415

4 жыл бұрын

@@mightyconker3903 You can aerate after you have leveled off the bumps if your concerned about it. A rake would work for loose dirt but I'm thinking its sod that has ruts in it and you cant rake that out.

Has anyone tried using a jack hammer with a tamper attachment?

What if you're making a footing that's 4 feet deep? Is the only option a hand tamp?

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

ohh, well yea prob, unless you can get an attachment tamper for a mini excavator

Different tools for different applications.

hmm, in the UK you would never use a "jumping jack" (trench rammer as we call them) for a large area for the obvious reason you show, it produces ridges because it is not the tool for such a job. You were lucky that the compactor plate's engine continued running on that slope, they are supposed to have engine cut outs if the oil level is "wrong" due to use on a slope. I wonder if your hire centre has removed safety features?

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Its mainly for footer compaction or somewhere you need the highest compaction in a small area.

That was a Hill Not a Slope. Lol that was Hilarious.

great title,r u still active posing on yt

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

I try to post at least once a month

Hi guys am in need to buy manuel compactor and ones with sterring

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

where do you live? country?

The slope test just hurt my back looking at you doing it. I'm sure not everyone has access to one - but you think using a winch or something to help pull it back up the hill could work? Thanks for sharing!

@appalachiandiy2415

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that could work

@thudang5298

Жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 Cool! I've never done it, but I'm not so young... so I'm always looking at other ways to not break my back. LOL

In the first test, I wonder if the jumping jack woulda left fewer ridges if the soil was drier.

@appalachiandiy2415

3 жыл бұрын

that's possible, it tends to still leave a more uneven pattern than the plate compactor

Built pools, the jack is for many feet, plate is for top finish, the mop is for good enought if it happens.

Plate vibestor is the best because of the vibration

8:19 You need a backhoe or excavator to pack a slope. A roller (hand power or driven) is too risky too.

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Yea you can do it that way but many people do not have access to machinery like that or know how to run it well

All I can say is , use each tool for the areas each work at the best until you can no longer use it there so's ya don't have to hand tamp 100% of the slope Oh wait this video is years old:) You should be done by now even if you hand stamped it all :) Cool video I just happened on by osmosis or for comparison issues or something like that

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, might have just finished up with the slope. That would have taken forever

@anthonysaponaro6318

2 жыл бұрын

@@appalachiandiy2415 Ohhhhh yea !! without question no matter how ya slice it. that was a difficult grade !

nice！

@appalachiandiy2415

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks