Fun Fact: At least in my own testing adding a lot of buffers on a modern SSD actually slows down the overall drive speed a little bit, particularly when the SSD also has its own DRAM cache. I now just keep Buffers down to 10 on my SSDs.

Thank you for sharing this video. I have been buying up old broken and run down Amigas and bringing them back to life repaired, recapped, refurbished, accelerated, and such. I tried to use the IDE P01 to Sata converters with no luck on 3.5 SSD drives. I did wonder if there would be power issues and it did have have them. So your video not only confirmed that the 3.5 SSDs needed more power than the bus could provide but also answered my next question about M.2 so I'm about to do this to several 1200s, CD32s, some accelerated A500s, 2 2000s, and 1 4000 that deserves 1TB. One point on the "use case" of this is I can add all of my CD32 games and Amiga demos to a partition where they can be stored compressed until I decide I want it on the active partitions. Thank you again. Here's a little something for saving me some time ;)

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad the video has been of help! Thank you for the gift too!

With 4096 buffers I am surprised you have that much RAM free. That is 4K x the size of the drive. I wonder if there is a limit to the number of buffers that are recognized. Also, I would have gone with a larger block size than 4K, especially on that 150+ Gig drive. If it ever has to to a verify, it will take about a million years, if it can do it at all. I think 16K or even 32K are appropriate for that size drive. Cool stuff! I have an adapter with a 64GB m.2 SATA drive, but it never has been recognized by my Amiga 1200 - full disclosure I have never tried it on 3.1.4 or 3.2, so it probably works fine now.

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the info. I was going by what I'd learnt for smaller drives. If I revisit, I'll reformat the way you say.

@rfxtuber

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom Just a thought as i have been messing about with large hard drive support on classic OS 3.1 ect...ect... i think 80GB partitions with FFS is a no no, but im not sure if this applies to OS.3.2 out of the box install??... very confusing situation and hangovers from Classic 3.1 regarding filesystems, large HDs support.. and when reading up on this in forums ect, you are confronted with views and opinions that are either flat wrong, out of date, or simply mis-informed.. I myself have tested large drives with a patched 43.45 scsi.device with an IDE to SATA adapter (not suitable for mounting into the a1200) but works with every 2.5 sata drive i throw at it... (using pfs3aio) im just not able to mount the adapter into the Amiga1200.. The situation with filesystems and large HD support using FFS and PFS3aio with OS 3.2 out of the box is completely unknown to me at the mo? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

hi ive just ordered the kit for this as i got a couple of msata converters 1 of which works but makes the hdd light glow dim all the time, can you tell me which one you have in this video before you installed the m2 and did it work flawlessly, thank you kind sir

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

Here's the video where I mention in the description which one I was using before... kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKCJy6Zwe66wmaQ.html if they're out of stock, get the one that looks just like it. I hope that helps?

I have a 80mb quantum fireball scsi hard drive in my 1200.

Would a fast ATA card/cable for Amiga speed things up?

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

A fastATA adapter would help. But from I've read, they aren't recommended unless you're going to do tower case mod. They only just fit in a stock 1200 case.

I've been looking for this. Can anyone explain why a M.2 drive in a M.2 to eide or Pata adapter comes up as scsi in HD tool box? And what driver or device software is used or why on my machine at least is it scsi.device and not ssd.device or m_2.device?

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

The scsi.device is used because the Amiga first started with SCSI. The name has stayed because of compatibility and historical reasons, so it can still be accessed by other programs/drivers. As for ssd.device etc, the Amiga doesn't have a SATA port. It only sees the interface closest to it. That's the whole point of the adapter used. It takes the SATA/m.2 interface and converts it to EIDE. You can think about the adapter being a translator, between EIDE and SATA, but in real time.

@fourbypete

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom I think I'm starting to understand how it works now. So, the file scsi.device is really just a text file with tooltypes that contains information about how a device is communicated to. Scsi.device is just the name that the system uses to access that port. Is that right?

you have a small usb thingy at top row of pins next to the ram, what is it and what does it do, did you have to add the pins to the motherboard for it ? Thanks

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

Near the top-middle of the motherboard? That's a keyboard adapter. I purchased a USB version, so I can plug in a wireless keyboard dongle. It just presses over the chip that sits there. It's, so when I use the Amiga on the big TV in the front room, I don't have to keep reaching for the keyboard.

@martinclark1411

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom yes thats the item i mean, what exact item is it, ie model number, manufacturer ? And i was under the impression those pins up there were duplicates of the clockport next to the roms, is this not the case (my main board has no pins where your usb is)

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it's called an AmiKEY A1200. It fits over the U7 chip, right next to where the ribbon cable to the stock keyboard fits in. I bought it off ebay years ago, so I'm unsure of the maker.

I remember having 4GB CF card as my hard drive and it was a lot, since I wasn't keeping stuff I didn't need. I got some DMS files of my favourite software, some modules, favourite stuff installed and it barely took 1GB of space. 256GB is insane. It's possible that you can fit all the Amiga software, including CD games and the whole Aminet... Since Commodore flopped in 1994 there wasn't much stuff that could need a lot of space or even make use of the heavily upgrade Amiga. Unless you want to watch some movies on it or play mp3s. If you use Amiga for modern entertainment huge disk may be helpful. 🤷‍♂️

@ShieTar_

Жыл бұрын

I think the Aminet is a bit over 30 GB, so you probably could. But modern internet is faster than the A1200 IDE interface, so you probably shouldn't ;-)

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but these days I have an IceDrake. 😀

@mattx5499

Жыл бұрын

@@ShieTar_ My uncle had nicely upgraded A1200 that was as powerful as the A4000 and he had something called FastEIDE which was much faster than built in interface. These addons were super expensive back then so most people didn't know they existed.

@ShieTar_

Жыл бұрын

@@mattx5499 Oh, we knew they existed, we just were confused on the "how to pay for them" part ;-) Also the internal controller can still push more than one Floppy-Disk per second, so nobody really was bothered by the "low speed" in the 90s. So yeah, Mr Retro Box Room could also get more performance out of the drive by using the FastIDE controller of his Vampire, if he cared, but even the ~13 MB/s of the V2 Vampire are technically still slower than many modern internet connections (if you live in the right area).

@ShieTar_

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom 24 MB/s = 192 MBit ... it's getting towards modern internet speeds, unless you have fibre-to-the-home internet ;-)

Well i got the stuff and my hdd light glows dim constantly, and selecting to boot from a floppy or gotek to install it all i get is the amiga startup animation. No dice here, maybe different version of card to yours although it looks identical

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

It might be. Which PSU are you using? Which msata drives are you using? The same as mine? Has your 1200 been recapped?

@martinclark1411

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom have 2 a1200's both using original psu, 1 has tf1260, other tf1230, msata works perfectly through the eide99 interface, if i connect to standard ide it works but hdd led glows. This is same on both a1200's The interface im now sending back like yours in this video my m2 ssd installed in it neither the 1200 or tf ide sees it. Both 1200's havent been recapped but are showing no signs of needing to be, the tf1260 one has an indivision mk3 in it as well

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

My 1200 has been recapped, and I use a more powerful PSU than the stock 1200 one. If it works with a 4xeide'99 for you, I can only assume that's the factor that you need. At moment. Though, I would get your 1200s recapped as soon as possible. Even if they they look fine, they're most likely not.

@martinclark1411

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom thanks for your advice, The psu's i use are the ones from the a500's as i have 2 of those as well, they are more powerful than the standard a1200 or so i believe, have a couple of ak47 interfaces coming for the 1200's as apparently they cure the glowing hdd led problem as well

Please, do the test speed sdd

@jauspicios

11 ай бұрын

Só ? An you do the test sloes ssd, please ?

Why not connect to the faster vampire IDE port?

@RetroBoxRoom

6 ай бұрын

At the time it wasn’t bootable, if I remember correctly wasn’t stable even for a non-bottle drive. I’ve upgraded from a Vampire to an Icedrake since then anyways. Thanks for watching!

@TheSirZodiac

6 ай бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom Could you connect it to the Icedrake then? I have an Icedrake, too.

@RetroBoxRoom

6 ай бұрын

Yes it can be connected.

Do I need a buffer board? I have the same set up - but my amiga will not see it

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

What version of kickstart roms do you have?

@ukSMP74

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom 3.1

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

For a drive as large like mine, I'd recommend getting at least 3.2. Something that allows buffers, wouldn't go a miss

@ukSMP74

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBoxRoom I dont want to go for 3.2 yet, as I`ve ONLY just bought the 3.1s

@RetroBoxRoom

Жыл бұрын

@@ukSMP74 Ah, sadly you're not going to get any further matching my setup, if you don't upgrade.

You don't need a heatsink on an m.2 sata ssd in an Amiga 1200. What kind of data transfer do you expect that thing to do? That ssd will be nose picking 99,6% of the time because the Amiga is so slow. The only valuable reason to have an m.2. drive is just because it's small and thin, but it is more reliable than an ordinary CF card.

@RetroBoxRoom

2 жыл бұрын

I stick one on, because when it's attached to my PC, while I set it up and it takes 20min+ copying the image over at full speed. It's better to leave it on, rather than keep removing it, because that would mess up the thermal pad.

@mattx5499

2 жыл бұрын

Amiga won't kill any flash memory card though, since it isn't using it when it's not doing anything unlike modern devices. I think that CF card is sturdy enough to work for years. I still recommend making regular backups from time to time to keep important files safe, because electronics durability is a lottery. 😊

@mattx5499

2 жыл бұрын

And yeah Amiga won't use the SSD drive's capabilities in any way since it's too slow and the HDD controller in the Amiga is ancient and won't achieve speeds bigger than few MB/s. There were controller cards for the Amiga like FastATA etc. But they are still pretty ancient for any serious speeds.