The commander looks like such a fun class, I'm really hoping I can actually ditch the eternal GM cloak and make one someday... (or well, could always roll a GM PC if my Party would have me...)

@extrakrispy81

28 күн бұрын

You could make them fight one too. Have him use the commands on monsters like some kind of beast master or soldiers or something.

@Kuitehkui

28 күн бұрын

@@extrakrispy81 oooh that would be so fun

@masonwilliams1345

26 күн бұрын

​@extrakrispy81 that would be a good way to show the difference between bandits and soldiers. Good leadership is a very powerful thing

Pincer attack and strike hard were definitely the go to for me when I played the commander, but I think form up is an underrated tactic. People don't think about how good it is to open an encounter with this ability. There were many times that I would go before the rest of the party, and the amount of positioning this tactic provides proved invaluable in multiple fights.

GMs when running an Adventure path with "fights until dead" enemies when "End It" makes them flee and frightened

This class is a good example of something I've seen discussed before The power budget of a class that is purely support focused is a lot higher because of the fact that rather than overshadowing your friends, you empower them

28:34 “emotional support dog?” Nah fuck that rally around the T. Rex let’s ball

@TheShrewdMonarch

12 күн бұрын

LMFAOOO

Now I want an Adventure Path like Strength of Thousands but for martials instead of spellcasters!

Really scary, I wouldn't nerf anything but maybe some more risk/reward.

The Commander is so much cooler when you see it than it sounded when you were talking about it in the video the other day!!!

45:28 It should be pointed out, Undaunted Discipline can only suppress any given effect once. You can't just keep using it on the same effect every round.

I like what I'm seeing here honestly, rallying your party to fight on when they are downed, orchestrating their attacks and giving them cues, all that stuff is really cool and the roleplay fantasy of that class is pretty universally applicable! Most squad-based stories have a character like that, and it's nice that this leader doesn't have to be charismatic or the best at fighting but uses their noggin to assess threats, literally study their enemies and can engage in a lot of the exploration activities usually held for skillmonkeys or wizards. Your intelligence is gonna be high, so you might aswell be a master in society or occultism, depending on what environment you're in. The only problem I initially felt might come up is the reliance on other's reactions for some of the commander's powers. Like yeah, "shields up!" lets people raise their shields, but chances are if you got a sword and board champion or fighter in the party they either picked up reflexive shield or want to use their reactions to shield block, or use their class reactions. So I'm glad that this is something the devs thought of and that you can also give your party extra reactions, because otherwise you'd run the risk of stepping on each other's toes. I'm pretty excited to see this class in action - just need to convince my group that I would naturally be the best choice for partyleader lmao.

Love your enthusiasm! :) Unfortunately, some of these abilities look awesome on paper, but are bit bland or problematic when you start playing with them. But that's what the playtest was for. Commander has a really solid framework that only needs a few tweaks here and there, I can't wait for the final form. 33:29 Answer: it unfortunately does say you have to be holding the banner in your hands (or wield the weapon it's attached to), that's a part of the Banner trait. But how cool would that be if you could make your horse do pirouettes :) Rallying Banner: yeah, you don't get to rally your allies out of combat, buuut... don't worry, wood kineticists get to feed them bananas every 10 minutes! Out of combat healing is so easy to come by that this restriction is more of flavor over substance. 41:29 You must know what the orc had for dinner last Saturday. You just must, it's imperative that you do.

Fun fact: Warfare lore is one of the only lores that unlocks certain skill feats (beyond the ones that all lore skills get)

Noting a couple of thoughts as I watch here: -Defensive Retreat is 2 Actions and has the "must move away from hostile creatures" stipulation, while Passage of Lines is only 1 action, so in a tight space (like in a dungeon) I can see it coming up more than you might think. -Strike Hard is even better than initially stated, as it doesn't require the squadmate to be in banner range. They just have to see or hear you. Combine with the Bullhorn cantrip for shenanigans ahoy. -Banner Twirl does have the Banner trait, which states you must have the banner on your person, so sadly no spinning horses. However, if you can find some weird way to teach your horse that feat...

Something I hope gets added to the final version is the ability to permanently train at least some tactics, the fact that they will always forget makes it seem like the PC's have some kind of memory loss problem.

@JacksonOwex

29 күн бұрын

You mean not all your parties are "50 First Dates"?!

So Glad your back doing pf2e videos again

IM GONNA MAKE SIN KISKE IN PATHFINDER AND NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP ME

Rallying Banner is a good clutch heal when you need it and I believe since it does not have the vitality trait it will work on allies with Void Healing.

Awesome deep dive! Looking forward to your thoughts on the Guardian playtest. :D

I can't wait to see the full version of the Commander!!!

I wanna preface that I'm a total PF2e noob...but yeah, this looks pretty sick but I feel like it's going to be a huge load on everybody keeping track of who used their reactions when, where, and for what...as well as an action economy nightmare for the Commander itself...So so so many options and things to keep track of. Not sure if it's in my wheelhouse, just yet anyway.

great build options, both Ranged and Melee commander seem great

Note on the Banner Twirl: Yes, you do need to have your banner in your hands, since it has the banner trait, so, no, you can't have your banner elsewhere and use banner twirl at the same time

I'm running Outlaws of Alkenstar, the command Ready, Aim, Fire would be just about game breaking... but oh so cool

@beancandev7818

19 сағат бұрын

Balance can go to hell for all I care, this stuff is just so damn cool

@pascalmanders5781

11 сағат бұрын

@@beancandev7818 Yeah... seriously, 4 out of 5 characters are wielding pistols

Last I recall, Trip is against Reflex DC, so that's why it's not mentioned in Unsteadying Strike. Though, if it were me, I'd just say it reduces all DCs against an Athletics skill action. Just to make that simpler.

Definitely wish I could’ve run this. Very much like this kind of class.

I'm still trying to write my story using P2e classes. One of my unmet characters is currently using the Investigator class, but, as she was a former military officer, I'm really thinking about changing her class to Commander.

Normally, I really don't like playing Martial classes. The Commander? The exception to the rule. I've been dying for the return of Warlord from D&D 4e. I can't wait to play it when it is released!

Complicated is good the more meaningful choices the better.

The commander, for when you want a little RTS with your RPG.

for reference, medic dedication's resuscitate is level 16

Barbarian: I hit the enemy with my BFS! Commander: I hit the enemy with my Barbarian!

no, i don't think talking being hard is something that happens when you're getting close to 30. i've been struggling with that for most of my life, and i'm not close to that yet. lol anyway, just started the video but definitely looking forward to seeing what this class has to offer. (:

So 1E Cavalier mixed w 5e Battlemaster… AWESOME

warfare lore: the class (jokes aside tho, I love this class)

So, yeah, the 4E Warlord

@chrispetersen4863

28 күн бұрын

Except you gotta have that banner glued to your hand... But it feels similar for sure.

When you said "Plant Banner", I was hoping it was the ability to turn a plant into your banner.

Good overview NoNat! I do have some thoughts though. Battle-Tested War Horse, flavorful perhaps but when has the case of an animal companion attacking its rider ever come up? To anyone. It's a sixth level class feat that makes your mount mature and gives you that bit of a rider text. No independent action, nothing flavorful and specific for the class (current champion has the exact same feat). I sincerely hope they fix it up for the full release because currently it feels so damn weak compared to other class options that give you a mature animal companion. End It and Demand Surrender, hard agree. It feels like something that should be mostly a roleplay thing as opposed to a mechanics thing. I'd go as far as to say that if it is going to be mechanized it should be either be a general or skill feat.

love the Joseph mousepad

This feels like Leader from Rogue Trader and I am so for it

Fucking amazing. May replace the Investigator as my new favorite class.

even though i want to play this class when it comes out but it makes me want to play a hobgloblin commander

I love the Commander class, I've been wanting an int based martial with heavy armor and no magic to exist in the game for a long time. The Only thing I don't like is the banner. Not a single one of the characters that came to mind when I read about this class involved toting a flag of some kind around.

Heck yeah new Class!

Imagine a dual class Commander-Champion with a beast master archertype.

@llswol2

29 күн бұрын

A commander-inquisitor combat medic would be incredible as well

I'm thinking of a commander champion character for my westmarches free archetype server. Maybe I also make this my underwater focused character.

welp, guess im creating a battle medic/therapist commander with a emotional support companion...

If you have an "18 in intelligence" huh??? Not a +4??? LOL for forgetting about the remaster😂

Is this just a case of the English language being hard, or for Valkyrie's charge, if the Commander has flying, can the rest of the squad fly for their double stride?

Form up is clearly waaaaay stronger than it looks

Nonat I think you need to read Undaunted disipline agains. It clearly says you can only use it to supres a particular effect onky once.

@TrixyTrixter

28 күн бұрын

So after you use it to ignore the effect one time you cannot use it on that specific instance of that effect again.

@TrixyTrixter

28 күн бұрын

Also for Demand surender. The effect of a success only stops them from targeting you specifically. Not your party members.

ME WANT THIS CLASS. NOW . FUCK I WANNA PLAY A GAME AAAA

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CORN FLAKES!!

Just in time.

14:53 *have an enemy WITHIN REACH*

Wouldn't the emanation be 65 ft from side to side?

@JacksonOwex

29 күн бұрын

Yes, the square you are is not counted in emanation ranges. Also covers in front of you and behind you too!!!

Support Comment

1:51

Doesn't the trait require you to have your banner in your hands?

This definitely feels like a worse version of D&D 4es warlord

i dont understand why you needed a 50 min video... you could just say: "IT'S FUCKING BROKEN, if you wanted to play a Guardian, don't do it, just play this"

I actually...kinda hate this. Like, everything about this. It makes me think of the idea that "taunting" shouldn't really work in TTRPGs because you can't just treat enemies like mindless mobs in a video game that can be basically "mind controlled" into doing something you want them to do, like attack the tank instead of the squishy wizard. Many GM's and DM's are proud to say they don't run their encounters this way. But now we have an entire class who apparently wields the power of puppetry over all of their *allies*. Their whole shtick seems to be "I force my allies to move around like pawns on a chessboard". While PF2E is crunchy and I get that they're trying to add more content, this ain't it, chief. I don't want a class that treats their allies like mindless puppets any more than I want a DM that treats enemies like mindless puppets. This class will not be allowed in my games.

@ezlomacks6533

12 күн бұрын

I disagree with that assessment of it, currently playing one, and my entire table sees it as extra opportunities to do their thing. Whether or not it feels good, is going to depend entirely on how it's played, same as a champion or rogue. The Guardian does need some work, it just needs abilities that punish enemies for attacking allies, and then certain enemies and bosses can just go "so?" and eat the penalty while deleting the wizard, leaving it up to the Guardian to make the active effort to deny physical access to those targets.

Sorry pf2 you already lostme, but Im glad that now you add proper warlord from dnd4 instead of that sad archetype that require like 6 level of investments to do anything fun