Commander at Home #34 - Bess vs Gandalf vs Shorikai vs Prossh feat Josh Lee Kwai and Voxy

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Decklists
Bess - tcgplayer.pxf.io/9gkaa0
Gandalf - tcgplayer.pxf.io/5grPP9
Prossh - tcgplayer.pxf.io/AWZXXx
Shorikai - tcgplayer.pxf.io/zNM9ke
Hosts: Brian Kibler and Olivia Gobert-Hicks
Guests: Josh Lee Kwai and Voxy
Producers: Brian Kibler and Joshua Ryan Dietz
Director: Kris Boruff
Director of Photography: Pierce Cook
Editor: Eilidh Lonie
Sound Mixer: Drew O'Donnell
Music By: Harris Heller
Graphics & Logos by: RottingJackal

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  • @commanderathome
    @commanderathome25 күн бұрын

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  • @DaxRaider

    @DaxRaider

    22 күн бұрын

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  • @blaze376192

    @blaze376192

    11 күн бұрын

    Hello, I'm trying to start a edh channel myself and would love to know what equipment you guys use and the setup

  • @VoxyTwitch
    @VoxyTwitch25 күн бұрын

    Aw come on. How was I supposed to know GOBLIN sharpshooter was a GOBLIN?!

  • @VoxyTwitch

    @VoxyTwitch

    25 күн бұрын

    In all seriousness yeah I missed swinging with the sharpshooter the turn rabblemaster came in for sure, but watching the episode I don’t think it changed anything too serious in the same other than people possibly changing their plays that turn 😅 love a good miss play. that’s magic babeyyyyyy

  • @iatebambismom

    @iatebambismom

    25 күн бұрын

    @@VoxyTwitch You did a misplay in a friendly game? Aaaaah

  • @ANZalliance

    @ANZalliance

    25 күн бұрын

    Ya know, sometimes reading the card does not explain the card

  • @smeatar

    @smeatar

    25 күн бұрын

    Goblin Sharpshooter is just his first name and surname, his creature type should be gun

  • @enoesiw

    @enoesiw

    25 күн бұрын

    Goblin Sharpshooter is actually a Kobold. It's shorter, which is why they forced it to become a sharpshooter.

  • @GetCommanded
    @GetCommanded26 күн бұрын

    "I have a f****** gun" Voxy really came to play on this day 😂

  • @tapoutologist

    @tapoutologist

    25 күн бұрын

    She came to play!!! And she is super serious! 😂

  • @strider2175
    @strider217522 күн бұрын

    I'm sure this gets mentioned a lot, but I always love how Kibler is so willing to help explain and optimize game actions, even if they're bad for him.

  • @serrademers6047
    @serrademers604725 күн бұрын

    This is the clearest example of "Kill Josh first" and everyone proceeds to forget to kill Josh first.

  • @Paga650

    @Paga650

    25 күн бұрын

    Tbh games like this give me the feeling they are staged, how can they miss thread assesment so hard.

  • @gracefulhuntress9868

    @gracefulhuntress9868

    25 күн бұрын

    @@Paga650well assessing the thread count of an EDH game can be hard sometimes, its easy to miss

  • @serrademers6047

    @serrademers6047

    25 күн бұрын

    Olivia singlehandedly released Josh from the strangle hold that Voxy's Goblin Sharpshooter had over him.

  • @loka7783

    @loka7783

    25 күн бұрын

    Seconded by kill Kibbler before it is too late. :)

  • @kylesmith987

    @kylesmith987

    25 күн бұрын

    @@Paga650 countrary to popular belief most games of commander are not actually about winning. People make sub optimal plays and even just down right bad plays for the fun of the game instead of the win. I've thrown away many wins in commander just to allow people at the table to have fun and be able to do something instead of getting locked down the entire game until their dead. If everyone was optimal and actually focused on good threat assessment then every single person in the game would look for the person posing the biggest threat and would instantly gang up on them until they died and not allow them to do anything in the game at all. It would make for an extremely unfun format that goes against the entire core foundation of what commander was built on. Also FYI im not talking about CEDH in this example as that is an entirely different experience where everyone at the table opts into that type of experience.

  • @silvos_85
    @silvos_8524 күн бұрын

    Kibler knowing Tividar's Crusade from memory is something

  • @a.strain2786

    @a.strain2786

    17 күн бұрын

    Pulled from the blind eternities with that one

  • @drrockd9460
    @drrockd946025 күн бұрын

    Commander players: So what cards do you like? Voxy: A F**KING GUN!!!!!

  • @FreyjaMentado
    @FreyjaMentado25 күн бұрын

    Voxy and Olivia: vibing, laughing their asses off all game Josh and Kibler: fighting for their goddamn lives all game Incredible, love this episode lol

  • @smashbreault4051
    @smashbreault405125 күн бұрын

    Voxy was able to bring a gun to commander and use it??? Wow commander really is the most casual format. :0

  • @bodkie

    @bodkie

    25 күн бұрын

    Maybe it's different in the US, but I've never been to a casual gathering where there was a gun brought 🤔

  • @J-Sade

    @J-Sade

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@@bodkie depends where you are in the US. In rural areas, the south, and the Midwest its very common for people to have them on them or for people to get together to go out and shoot. I dont think that the coasts are not like this though.

  • @LokiHades

    @LokiHades

    25 күн бұрын

    Player Removal is the strongest archetype

  • @garrettmartin4750

    @garrettmartin4750

    25 күн бұрын

    From Wisconsin, living in Oregon. Us midwestern folk carry our guns casually and with pride. Here on the west coast, though... woof. I guess they have the Oregunians group of folk. Okay, Oregon isn't too bad. But Cali!

  • @TheRyanUnser
    @TheRyanUnser26 күн бұрын

    when you hear "size queen" and the game hasn't even started yet, you know it's gonna be a good one

  • @smeatar

    @smeatar

    25 күн бұрын

    It was so uncalled for too lol

  • @SteveVerstaka
    @SteveVerstaka25 күн бұрын

    Never before have I seen a Goblin Sharpshooter hold up the table so beautifully when it doesn’t have deathtouch. You just made this red player’s day!

  • @Jjdude101

    @Jjdude101

    23 күн бұрын

    It was truly epic

  • @charliebrooks1474
    @charliebrooks147425 күн бұрын

    "Go get your ring on, honey" was absolutely brutal in response to Bryan moaning about getting targetted. Actually woke my dog up laughing

  • @Chucklepuffs

    @Chucklepuffs

    25 күн бұрын

    Same it KILLED me 😂😂

  • @marimi46

    @marimi46

    25 күн бұрын

    Wait I don't get it, is it just a super raunchy joke?

  • @Notorious_BHG

    @Notorious_BHG

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@@marimi46 he's a world champion (2006 or somthing), so it's meant more as a "you can deal with being targeted, you've done better stuff than this very casual game"

  • @PheonixRise666

    @PheonixRise666

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@@Notorious_BHG2 pro tour wins 3 grand prix wins.

  • @smeatar

    @smeatar

    25 күн бұрын

    It caught me by surprise so hard I choked on my drink

  • @flynnscheib2487
    @flynnscheib248725 күн бұрын

    Voxy’s Sharpshooter is like Clint Eastwood in Sudden Impact screaming “Go ahead, make my day” every time Brian and Josh breathe

  • @LightxHeaven
    @LightxHeaven25 күн бұрын

    I love it whenever famous Heartstone streamer Voxy can join and play some Magic for once! For real though, Voxy is always such a treat to watch. Oh and I guess JLK is cool too.

  • @vivianboor14
    @vivianboor1425 күн бұрын

    The contrast between Olivias heart❤eyes at Voxy all game to going full "go and get your fuckin shine box" to Bryan is absolutely *incredible*

  • @TheCrazyPlayer
    @TheCrazyPlayer25 күн бұрын

    And I quote: “HOW MUCH CAN JOSH DO WITH ONE TURN!?!?!?” -Olivia Gobert-Hicks, 2018. 😆

  • @goberthicks

    @goberthicks

    22 күн бұрын

    Hahahahahah excellent callback

  • @dominickhowe3367
    @dominickhowe336724 күн бұрын

    "I have a f'n gun" I'm absolutely crying of laughter. The genuine fear from Kibler made it so much better. 9:56

  • @derper90
    @derper9025 күн бұрын

    best part is when josh played scull clamp and voxy instantly reaches for her sharpshooter without saying anything. I need a goblin sharpshooter

  • @WhoGuyBro
    @WhoGuyBro24 күн бұрын

    Voxy’s sharpshooter really personified the Danny Devito “so I started blasting” meme

  • @Ramen4Days
    @Ramen4Days25 күн бұрын

    New commander at home is my favorite thing to see when I open KZread

  • @orvar7035
    @orvar703525 күн бұрын

    You guys really did a good job on the script this time. 10/10

  • @goberthicks

    @goberthicks

    25 күн бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @ra7wa7
    @ra7wa725 күн бұрын

    I feel so naughty when Josh (or any Command Zone host) swear. Like are you sure I was supposed to hear that? Similar (but opposite) feeling when Voxy is on Game Knights and you can see how much she's censoring herself to sound like "oh drat fudgesicles that person has drawn a darn tootin impressive number of cards"

  • @Jaebird88
    @Jaebird8825 күн бұрын

    Voxy bringing that true goblin energy along with a gun 😂

  • @jamesaditya5254
    @jamesaditya525425 күн бұрын

    Voxy really came to your home on an invite and she held 2 people hostage with a gun

  • @LoonerFlight
    @LoonerFlight25 күн бұрын

    I love getting Ben Brode marvel snap ads during this show because then I can remember him gnashing his teeth about dying to his own commander damage

  • @charlieawerbuch5352
    @charlieawerbuch535225 күн бұрын

    The sheer hilariousness of watching a goblin with a gun terrify both Josh and Brian for like half the game.

  • @killthemage5856
    @killthemage585624 күн бұрын

    MTG Players: I cast spells! Dragons! Voxy: I cast GUN

  • @Big-LoFe
    @Big-LoFe25 күн бұрын

    Kibblers "Im still miserable" was perfect 😂

  • @xaviertullis4804
    @xaviertullis480421 күн бұрын

    Olivia saying “Bet” with the most daring look in her eyes while writing “weasel” on the card was so so funny to me. Both Olivia and Voxy were hilarious this episode.

  • @sammorton2556
    @sammorton255625 күн бұрын

    I know I shouldn't comment before watching the rest of the video but rabblemaster would have forced Voxy to attack with the sharpshooter since it's a goblin.

  • @PinstripeWeasel

    @PinstripeWeasel

    25 күн бұрын

    Literally thought the same thing. 😅

  • @Aech428

    @Aech428

    25 күн бұрын

    came here for this

  • @sjefdebelg3630

    @sjefdebelg3630

    25 күн бұрын

    @@Aech428 me too

  • @andrewlightner2407

    @andrewlightner2407

    25 күн бұрын

    Came here for this

  • @zik1981

    @zik1981

    25 күн бұрын

    Same here

  • @enternamehere5498
    @enternamehere549825 күн бұрын

    This opening theme music is still the best, I have no idea why, but it really always just hits nice.

  • @Grandpacha62
    @Grandpacha6223 күн бұрын

    Goblin Sharpshooter, single-handedly holding back most of the table: "I can do this all day"

  • @mcrnic
    @mcrnic24 күн бұрын

    The Tivadar's Crusade mention really hit the nostalgia buttons :D

  • @novemberrose8563
    @novemberrose856325 күн бұрын

    i mean commander really is the "I got a gun" format

  • @kingwildcat6192000

    @kingwildcat6192000

    24 күн бұрын

    ngl my brain went straight to "so shes a virgin killer?"

  • @KillShotzSC
    @KillShotzSC25 күн бұрын

    Seeing a new commander at home always makes my day instantly better!

  • @monkeygaming2859
    @monkeygaming285925 күн бұрын

    Wow the guest lineup is stacked

  • @tapoutologist
    @tapoutologist25 күн бұрын

    “She likes her guys small….” Well… I guess there’s a First time for everything 😂😂😂😂

  • @user-ru8zh6gz5d
    @user-ru8zh6gz5d24 күн бұрын

    I'm going to be honest I left this video playing in the background and didn't even know it. So imma rewatch it so I know what the video holds, Hope Voxy wins

  • @JABarnes18
    @JABarnes1825 күн бұрын

    20:39 The Fourth Kind, good lord what a reference

  • @jacobtherault2224
    @jacobtherault222425 күн бұрын

    Josh has played that deck 4 times on screen now, and it's finally pulled a win. Thing was a monster this game

  • @bradsimpson8724
    @bradsimpson872419 күн бұрын

    The dynamic between these four was especially great, and this channel sets a consistently high bar with guest chemistry. Also, because I don't think it gets said enough, Olivia and Brian are definitely setting relationship goals, based on what we see on camera. Gameplay fuckups are bound to happen, and I couldn't care less; it's the atmosphere and the chemistry that keeps me engaged.

  • @Googleflax
    @Googleflax25 күн бұрын

    13:30, Goblin Rabblemaster makes ALL your other Goblins have to attack, so the Sharpshooter would have had to attacked as well (unless Voxy tapped it first).

  • @rosmarus1890
    @rosmarus189025 күн бұрын

    What a great pod. I also like him when he's hosting but laid-back guest Josh is a treat and Voxy was sowing chaos in the best way possible.

  • @criticalwyrmling349
    @criticalwyrmling34922 күн бұрын

    Commander@Home is legitimately one of my favorite channels. Every episode feels like a group of friends hanging out and having a great time together.

  • @GammerlikesDislyte
    @GammerlikesDislyte15 күн бұрын

    Kibber’s laughter is infectious, and Josh using his ability to draw so many cards, help him find and make the pieces he needed to win the game.

  • @hemjold
    @hemjold25 күн бұрын

    Feels like if Voxy never attacked Olivia, she would have not had her pew pew taken away by mama Olivia and locked away in a toy box. Great game as always, love seeing Voxy and Josh Lee Kwai play commander and thank you Bryan and Olivia for wonderful game content every week! Aloha from Hawaii❤❤ P.S. Love the cool Teferi's Protection board disappearing effect! Eilidh GOAT Editor!

  • @leviathan8586
    @leviathan858624 күн бұрын

    Voxy, she never fails to deliver an entertaining game of commander. Haven’t laughed this much at a commander game in a while hahahaha. That gd sharpshooter; mvp.

  • @drunkgerbil9962
    @drunkgerbil996225 күн бұрын

    This might be the best pod ever. The vibes were perfect and content was funny, complex, and interesting! 1/1 out of 10

  • @davidwilliford3079
    @davidwilliford307917 күн бұрын

    This is THE GREATEST MTG Commander Show anywhere! Just became a Patron. Can't wait for more content and to sling spells with yall one day. Hey Brian/Olivia...you did good. :)

  • @mitchellbruderlin8621
    @mitchellbruderlin862122 күн бұрын

    The glee on Josh's face when he drew Teferis Protection from Shurikai was beautiful :)

  • @somekindadragon3414
    @somekindadragon341425 күн бұрын

    I would never leave you on mute in the background, y’all are two damn entertaining. Great guests as always!

  • @alexadams1151
    @alexadams115124 күн бұрын

    The Fourth Kind. Owls that smile is the scariest thing I've ever heard in a movie. I got your reference, Josh!

  • @ladyivygaming2838
    @ladyivygaming283824 күн бұрын

    Don’t forget felidar retreat gives them vigilance when you choose the +1/+1 counter option! :D (understandable that it was missed tho, that board was CROWDED)

  • @MajesticViking
    @MajesticViking25 күн бұрын

    Olivia should make a deck that includes every card that's beaten Brian.

  • @xxfenix15xx
    @xxfenix15xx25 күн бұрын

    I loved this episode, but wanted to shout out that the editing of both the Ad reads and the games themselves were just so glorious, I appreciated the work put in.

  • @seanhardner5842
    @seanhardner584225 күн бұрын

    Turns out you can’t let somebody loot through half their deck and draw a zillion cards and try to stop them with 1 counter spell. G.G. Love the channel.

  • @nicholasrolo886
    @nicholasrolo88625 күн бұрын

    26:06 Voxy is becoming a household brand name 😂

  • @T_1.5
    @T_1.525 күн бұрын

    Best lunch break ever 😂 Barely got into the intro and Voxy is fulfilling all of Jacob’s dreams of bullying Brian!

  • @MythrilShotgun
    @MythrilShotgun25 күн бұрын

    Voxy: "So anyway, I started blastin'"

  • @NerdNerfer
    @NerdNerfer25 күн бұрын

    This is THE best theme song in an intro of ANY show ever. Fight me if you disagree.

  • @Dudesomeify
    @Dudesomeify25 күн бұрын

    " There's no better energy than the Voxy " Truest words ever spoken

  • @joshtaylor8832

    @joshtaylor8832

    25 күн бұрын

    Cuz she's Voxy Cleoptra, and she's a whole lotta woman!

  • @tldrq2456
    @tldrq245625 күн бұрын

    Voxy laughing is as contagious as Ben Brode's

  • @rickylingenfelter4039
    @rickylingenfelter403925 күн бұрын

    I love how no matter who comes to visit, you all have a good time. Always great to watch you! Thank you for all your content!

  • @thatepicwizardguy
    @thatepicwizardguy25 күн бұрын

    Ah now this was a fun table. Voxy always fun to see play commander especially when she's being a straight up menace. Josh is always insanely scary and I'm pretty sure has no decks I could play against with how I like building lol Olivia's deck was super cool. For once I would have liked to see Kibler actually do MORE (usually he's already busying doing everything)

  • @majinedd5462
    @majinedd546225 күн бұрын

    5:20 "She only likes them small " lol we need more Queens like her 😭

  • @christopherjones2185
    @christopherjones218525 күн бұрын

    My favorite commander show uploading when I’m having a terrible day. Thank yall for making days better

  • @s3073535
    @s307353521 күн бұрын

    "It's an illusion Michael". Another great episode with fun guests who don't take themselves too seriously.

  • @ShadowMiner2358
    @ShadowMiner235825 күн бұрын

    I’m so happy to finally see Josh pop off with Shorikai. Too bad it was never on his own show 😂

  • @hodlsage8968
    @hodlsage896825 күн бұрын

    Such an amazing game, Voxy going to 100 real quick, and Josh even looked as if he enjoyed himself more than he has in a long time. Olivia and Kyle Hill (the Pro version) were having a blast.... I now feel commander at home is the best commander channel out there. No shade on other channels, but after this episode, nothing can compare, period !!

  • @camoyuki
    @camoyuki25 күн бұрын

    This whole time I never realized Delayed Blast Fireball was an instant 0.0 That's crazy; I thought it was a sorcery, idk why. I guess because almost every other effect like that is a sorcery XD

  • @pierpaolomercurio
    @pierpaolomercurio25 күн бұрын

    I never get tired of this opening

  • @nathangrimes4173
    @nathangrimes417324 күн бұрын

    That was the best time I've had watching Commander at Home, such fun energy with Voxy!

  • @timejumper97
    @timejumper9725 күн бұрын

    One of the best shows online. Great guests today as always!

  • @TANEM315
    @TANEM31525 күн бұрын

    Hell yeah just when I was hankering for some commander at home, two of the best guests are here ❤❤❤

  • @AdamKeeton
    @AdamKeeton25 күн бұрын

    I knew the reference, Josh... "The Fourth Kind" ruined me as a young adult... I thought it legitimately real for years

  • @doctoroctococks8968

    @doctoroctococks8968

    9 күн бұрын

    I knew it was blair witch style going in when i saw it years ago when it came out, but just the way its done and the acting gave more credence to the fact this shit could be happening. Alien abductions is one of my only rationally irrational fears that i legit cannot control, That scene about the OWLS in particular stuck me with to this day, i got goosebumps just remembering it when Josh said it. It like how i feel with ghosts, i don't believe in them rationally, but im not so brave at midnight in a old house by myself sometimes, as much as i'd like to think otherwise.

  • @smeatar
    @smeatar25 күн бұрын

    I love the moment that Voxy realised that she wasn’t the sword of Damocles anymore, although I do think the game was more fun before that moment

  • @TheBreaker3333
    @TheBreaker333325 күн бұрын

    I'm a simple enby, I see Voxy, I click

  • @ElDocBruh
    @ElDocBruh24 күн бұрын

    Olivia just opening Pandora's box there when she killed the goblin with a gun... just kicking it open, releasing all the evils in the world 😱

  • @CookiesFTA
    @CookiesFTA23 күн бұрын

    It's always fun watching Josh pop off. There's no one on earth more dangerous with card draw.

  • @thebitterfig9903
    @thebitterfig990325 күн бұрын

    It’s been years since I’ve seen Kibler play against Weasel Tunneler.

  • @gamebreaker60
    @gamebreaker6025 күн бұрын

    I've only been playing Magic for a few weeks now and your videos have taught me so much! You guys are great.

  • @RoseGoldenPetal
    @RoseGoldenPetal24 күн бұрын

    So I see Voxy came prepared today, didn't expect her to a wield a gun you know, shutting down the entire right side of the table, so here's a hot tip Voxy, make a machine gun deck, give em all deathtouch and enjoy the chaos.

  • @swiftee61064
    @swiftee6106425 күн бұрын

    “Order by May 7th to have it in time for Mother’s Day” Posts video on the 8th👀

  • @seizan88
    @seizan8825 күн бұрын

    The energy of this pod was amazing 😂😂❤

  • @Urikanu
    @Urikanu24 күн бұрын

    Woo! My favorite intro is back! And with nice guests too!

  • @LokiHades
    @LokiHades25 күн бұрын

    Excellent episode! Never let Josh Lee Kwai's engine go, you'll regret it! I feel bad for Kibler, and Voxy did great holding them both hostage!

  • @Espionage2005
    @Espionage200524 күн бұрын

    The Fourth Kind was an epic alien movie. Thank you Josh for the memory lol

  • @jakeoruru2475
    @jakeoruru24759 күн бұрын

    For anyone wondering the Mila movie he was talking about is called the Fourth Kind. I watched that movie as a 12-13 year old and it has never really left the back of my mind....

  • @DanSto11
    @DanSto1125 күн бұрын

    The only way i can see the energy being even better is Voxy and Proff on the same table! This was really fun!

  • @ChrislyCast
    @ChrislyCast20 күн бұрын

    Beautiful chord melody! I love it when you do Zappa's work, cant wait to start practicing.

  • @samuelwilkinson7524
    @samuelwilkinson752425 күн бұрын

    How cool that you have a professional hearthstone streamer playing magic

  • @nataszam3044
    @nataszam304425 күн бұрын

    I needed this today, to feel like a welcome guest at friend's home. I love your videos

  • @tylerkelly3827
    @tylerkelly382725 күн бұрын

    I am in love with the Gandalf deck. When Olivia riot controlled I was about to SCREAM with joy! One of my fav cards

  • @andrewcochran6389
    @andrewcochran638925 күн бұрын

    I really enjoy your production and audio quality.

  • @kevinkelley2963
    @kevinkelley296324 күн бұрын

    I watch this show often, but when Josh is on I click immediately. The novelty of hearing him curse has yet to wear off.

  • @Agaures
    @Agaures25 күн бұрын

    Always a blast to wat Voxy play! And Josh brings a level of fun and entertainment no matter what table he sits at. Great game, to all involved.

  • @hafusan
    @hafusan24 күн бұрын

    without a doubt my favourite episode yet. JLK is a really cool guest and of course, we don't even need to talk about Voxy (a treat, charming, iconic, love her more and more every time I see her)

  • @geoffcrompton5415
    @geoffcrompton541516 күн бұрын

    Kind of nice to see Josh playing like a normal player. You know, taking time on his turn, talking it through. Game knights is great, but the editing makes the "play" just so much sharper than in my games.

  • @georgegottschall3439
    @georgegottschall343923 күн бұрын

    To kill Voxy and her Goblin Sharpshooter=🌞☀️🌤. Sun,sun, and more sun.

  • @mashedmentality
    @mashedmentality17 күн бұрын

    Putting Skullclamp on Esper Sentinel is a pretty Chad play honestly. I mean it is not the best play, or even a good one honestly, but the advantage you get in the mental game from everyone else questioning why you’d ever do that is unbeatable. Even if you lose the game on the board, that play will not leave anyone’s mind for some time and that’s a win all on its own.

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