Yes, I reissue this comment for the criticisms and complaints. made these videos to better explain this topic Comics Artists vs Mangakas Explained kzread.info/dash/bejne/aYaFydaqnNy_qaQ.html Comics Artists vs Mangakas - THE REVENGE kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZt5ytaFhKW_ctI.html This video is meant to be entertaining, not to be taken seriously, and made for FUN. This is an art versus related only to drawing, many told me that I did not do justice to the work of many artists and there were other complaints about Togashi, I already explained everything in my video of comic artists vs mangakas explanation and comic artists vs mangakas revenge, if you do not want to see that or read the description of this video, then I will not write a wall of text, I have every right and my reasons to respond to the fanboys in my own video, do not tell me what I have to do on my own channel. Yes, Togashi has bad drawings, stop victimizing, I only mean the explicit content of the drawings, let's give the medal to the best runner to someone without legs, the intention and the merit are not related to the result, He can be very dedicated in other aspects, I ONLY MEAN THE DRAWING, he is a good writer but his drawings are full of inconsistencies, the fanboys only saw the anime and did not read the manga or analyze the drawings, do not give me the example of ONE who makes psychedelic art and izayama who was someone who was starting, Togashi has been in this business for dozens years old and liefeld, who is more criticized, draws better.

@youraverageguy4930

3 жыл бұрын

If you're gonna persist on being "empirical", then how about you start comparing fairly. You brought up how Rob Liefeld and Togashi are bad at anatomy when the first does it due to lack of experience while the latter does it due to stylization. Hell, if you wanna bring up his health problems, why don't you start using examples from when he's at his peak? Yu Yu Hakusho is one of his early works, and the character you showed wasn't even supposed to be anatomically correct or natural. Rob Liefeld's Captain America is supposed to be a fucking human, of course people are put off by it.

@NUEBOHEMIO

3 жыл бұрын

@@youraverageguy4930 I did not say that togashi did anatomy badly, I put that he is considered one of the worst mangakas because of the doodles and his little dedication (as I said before, he can have a drawing assistant or finish the manga) If we are going to use that logic, then let's say that what Rob Liefeld does is also an artistic style, I can also play the same game. the manga generally does not have a realistic style, in this same video I put a drawing of the toguro team that does not have a mile of comparison with the quality of the liefeld designs. the comic has a standard and liefeld brings his own touch, in my opinion the idea of captain america of liefeld is that he does not look human, he is a super human after all. But of course we are all going to defend Togashi because we have no criteria.

@youraverageguy4930

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUEBOHEMIO Most of Togashi's character designs and overall style range from cartoonish to semi-realistic. His art during his peak is nowhere near "doodles", just take a look at his recent chapters and volume covers. Compare that to Rob Liefeld whose designs are extremely repetitive and aims towards realism. His inability to express form in his drawings clash horribly with his inkers and colourists. He aims for a realistic style yet he fails to apply one of the basic fundamentals of drawing. Also, Captain America is supposed to LOOK human. Your super human argument doesn't work because he's supposed to be a buff dude with super human strength, compared to a character that *literally* changes his physical appearance.

@NUEBOHEMIO

3 жыл бұрын

@@youraverageguy4930 everyone will have their own way of seeing a character and their own version, nobody complains when Frank Miller makes a square batman. You do not have to defend the indefensible, Togashi put scribbles in the manga, just read the end of the chimera ant arc, on the other hand Rob Liefeld has very good drawings that I did not put in the video. Togashi's designs look better in anime, one example is Yu Yu Hakusho's anime, which improved on several of the manga's designs and the characters look more anatomically correct. I inform myself of the work of both, if you do not believe me, investigate rob liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way, I do not blame togashi, he is good at writing stories, but leaves much to be desired in the drawing.

@youraverageguy4930

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUEBOHEMIO No one complained about Frank Miller's Batman because it's an artistic choice. He was aiming for a semi-realistic art but he still knew how to apply basic fundamentals of drawing. His later works however, is another story. "I inform myself of the work of both"? "investigate Rob Liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way"? You are literally cherry-picking Togashi's works from the time when he was just starting out as a manga artist and the period when his health started to fuck him up while comparing them to Liefeld's works during his supposed prime. Have you seen Hunter x Hunter's re-released volumes of the Chimera Ant arc and the following arcs? have you seen his Volume covers?

Winner? Both Mangaka and Comic artists. They are equally amazing

@level9drow856

3 жыл бұрын

And have heavily influenced each other as well. I would say they coevolved and you can see the influence they have on each other.

@TCMECH79

3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

@jonnymario771

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, both can be amazing in their own way, but still totally different.

@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonnymario771 that doesn't make any sense. There are as many styles as there are artists, there is no such thing as "manga" Style.

@dx5gaming715

3 жыл бұрын

@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA yep

R.I.P to the greatest Kentaro Miura - your work will forever be a legacy of greatness in the whole world

@krossbyxv5931

3 жыл бұрын

Rip legend

@fenzuwenser6670

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman meanwhile Manga is outselling Western comics in their hometurf 😂😂😂

@themanwhodidyourwife1255

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman whoa dude your kind of a piece of shit

@introspectivesense6485

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman man wtf you have problems, you are discussing in this comment thread for 3 months and now you are disrespecting one of the precursors of dark fantasy genre, if you dont like berserk then fine but you dont need to be an idiot, you fkin manchild.

@miguelangelquicenohincapie2768

3 жыл бұрын

@@introspectivesense6485 that's probably just an inmature kid without friends, don't pay atention to him

I'm Japanese. I think manga considers movements to be most important, and comic considers paintings to be. So average comic picture looks less lively but more sophisticated as one artwork. Ofcourse there are many exceptions, but there's a certain tendency. I like both.

@phantasosxgames8488

3 жыл бұрын

you pretty much nailed. Superheroes do not particularly have some array of named attacks , repeated over and over , showcasing every motion of it. Let's put "My Hero Academia" as an example , with Endervoir vs Human Torch: Endervoir have "Jetburn" , "Proeminence Burn" and that Fire Web attack and Fire Javelin...all of those are clear-cut attacks that you know what they do and their motion. Meanwhile , Human Torch just flies and makes fire blast , improvising on the spot , his only realy signature move is "Supernova" which is an AoE Explosion , which the closest motion to it would be "Proeminence Burn". But like you said , there are exceptions , there is not much naming and a lot of improvisation on the characters in how they fight , but Batman and Spider-Man puts movements in a more front seat , specially Spider-Man.

@TheHermesLP

3 жыл бұрын

It's preatty visible on "Spider-Man by Bagley" vs "Spider-Man by Murata". Murata's Spider-Man looks like he could start moving at any second and his webs look like they are still mid-extending outside the screen, while Bagley's looks like a photo with perfect lightning and composition, Like Spider-Man posed mid action for the selfie. There are exceptions, of course, but in general comics and manga look like that.

@kjamaronica

3 жыл бұрын

Well, in a comic three people can work as a basimo inker and colorist in a manga they can work up to an entire studio in fact a manga by Kentaro Miura (Duranki) had help from a studio

@liyuu7033

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman whut? One page from Vagabond (you can pick any page) looks better than any American comic

@wanpro7328

2 жыл бұрын

@@liyuu7033 Just look at his channel he is completely troll

R.I.P to the GOAT KENTARO MIURA

@georgejoestarii9469

3 жыл бұрын

F. *I gave Guts and Casca my salute.*

@ramens

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman your whole channel is just tragic. Every video is a miss 😪

@_b_e_a_n_s_

3 жыл бұрын

rip 😓

@freedom8163

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman why did they take Kentaro and not you ? Such a cruel world smh.

@TapiocaMCZ

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman another troll channel, how original! Talking trash about popular games? Daring today, aren't we?

The choice of examples for Takehiko Inoue, Kentaro Miura, and Yusuke Murata nowhere near does their work justice.

@alejandrolizama9564

3 жыл бұрын

Same with Kohei Horikoshi, not even a single panel showing his backgrounds.

@risn5478

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I think when I see Murata, not even the spaceship of Boros.

@knganarxhy

3 жыл бұрын

Same with togashi, there are shots in the yu yu hakusho manga that’s just breathtaking and it felt so disrespectful to show so little of his work

@YumiSax

3 жыл бұрын

@Carlos Gabriel Amparo the best art of hirohiko araki is volumen covers jojolion

@blakechildress944

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X troll

90s comic and manga artist are just insane

@y0n_8

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah better than the typical anime art style that people in manga keep using.

@IAm-zo1bo

3 жыл бұрын

@@y0n_8 you only saw the popular shonen mangas?

@imlenny9257

3 жыл бұрын

@@y0n_8 most romcom and isekai manga

@kaiser1963

3 жыл бұрын

90s is when creativity truly flourished after that it was all down hill

@dragonpulse9977

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaiser1963 I beg to differ

This feels less like a versus and more like a “if you like this artist then check out this artist”

@pojfgdlkfgjgdlkfg6912

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@user-mh6ju3pg8c

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the way he showed similar artstyles

@britneymybeloved2979

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman L

@antoniogrady5954

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman na

@reginaldforthright805

2 жыл бұрын

It’s stupid because the mangakas are all doing thousands of pages while the comic artists make about 200 and call it a career.

The winners are us, the fans for enjoying the best of this artist.

@reigenlucilfer6154

3 жыл бұрын

best answer

@bigdaddyb1837

3 жыл бұрын

Manga better than marvel DC shit

@SirDieALot666

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddyb1837 Don't come with that BS of tjis is better than this. Slrry for you if you don't enjoy both of them. But don't say manga is better than comic or comics are betrer than manga. Both of then are amazing, with amazing art and storyline.

@SirDieALot666

3 жыл бұрын

@tom gu that could be true, but that doesn't make comics worst than manga o better. As i see, with all this Disney taking Marvel, comics has rebirth in all the world. And there's a lot of real good comics from another editorial.

@parkeranimations3671

2 жыл бұрын

@tom gu you clearly have never read any comic books if you think they died out in the 90s.

❌VS❌ COMPARISON✅

@NUEBOHEMIO

4 жыл бұрын

??? i dont understand

@alesandranasywanawfa6388

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUEBOHEMIO basically what they're saying is that, it's better if you put in your wording as in Comparison and not vs

@NUEBOHEMIO

3 жыл бұрын

@@alesandranasywanawfa6388 fun vs are fun

@theanimelibarian7881

3 жыл бұрын

@@NUEBOHEMIO were in this trophy for participation era so everyone is so adverse to competition it’s sad

@blakechildress944

3 жыл бұрын

@@theanimelibarian7881 The video would be two hours long if he were to compare each artist in detail and give his reasoning for each choice. The video was simply intended to be an interesting face-off of artists for us to think about. So I don't know why you assume this guy is a softy who's "averse to comparison" or hurting anyone's feelings with his opinions.

The thing i like manga is that the characters are owned by their creators, all the mangakas presented here own and created their respective characters and their universes, meanwhile the american ones, they indeed draw well, but they didn't create the characters( in the majority of drawings i see) and these are owned by corporations, the only real creator was stan lee, who is resting in heaven.

@ariace6547

3 жыл бұрын

Very true

@memecream752

3 жыл бұрын

Stan Lee is a irreplaceable legend

@upon1326

3 жыл бұрын

Thats not fair to say at all and that's rude to comic creator there many western comics where they create there own universe and characters your just talking about marvel and DC which is rude to western comic creators.

@upon1326

3 жыл бұрын

@@memecream752 sad to say stan lee was very original but also took alot of work from DC because he worked for dc

@freddyromariovasquezcairo2250

3 жыл бұрын

@@upon1326 but marvel and DC are the heart of Comics, they are the ones that sell the most, but I feel you, there are some good independent creators, and none of those are presented in this video.

I like that the video shows the art that looks similar in style instead of some others where it'd be like cartoonish style vs realistic style.

@buddiosgaming8541

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@rulerofroombas1443

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman troll

@D_us_T

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman bait

@MrGalRoz

2 жыл бұрын

this video is proof that there is no shortage of drawing talent in america for comics, the thing that went wrong are the stories, while in Japan the creator have their own story the present it the publishers give it a chance and things go from there, in America there is a narative to push certain stories and agendas and ignore the ones that dont follow it. such a shame.

@qmulus_yt

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGalRoz the whole idea of certain publishers having their own universe is what kills the comic industry in the us, and that's why invincible is so highly appraised because it's its own thing

Honestly, there is no better or worse here, just different styles and preferences

@lomejor7855

3 жыл бұрын

Totally 100%

@emperorfaiz

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman Nice bait

@rafaelrocha5626

2 жыл бұрын

yes there is,manga is way better

@krunkle5136

2 жыл бұрын

Comics are stuck on superheroes and the joker too much.

@johnlawful2272

2 жыл бұрын

@@krunkle5136 no it's not go look into the indies comics that's like saying video games are stuck on call of duty

At this point im just walking around in a art museum.

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

Especially true the moment you realize that Hirohiko Araki's artwork was displayed in the Louvre Museum.

@BerserkerGoji9973

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman Cope lol

@azammudin882

3 жыл бұрын

@Dan Hernández he is kiddo.Ignore him no wonder currenct American comic fall down Like shit even trash generic isekai superior than this woke currenct American comic

@vin6665

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman if you don’t like it, then just respect it.

@jordannetwork9046

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely Alex Ross alone should be in the Smithsonian I wish they did have like a comic book / manga museum somewhere

I think, Hirohiko Araki style is epic

@MrZaku-rh4qt

3 жыл бұрын

My only problem with his work is that some scenes are so confusing at times

@stay4rosty382

3 жыл бұрын

They didnt even show his best work, part 7 and 8, here

@loneavenger7907

3 жыл бұрын

@@stay4rosty382 part 7 and 8 are the best

@kojikowatakashi7767

3 жыл бұрын

Yare Yare Daze

@_kira_760

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but i think inoue is the best

i like when people appreciate both for being what they are instead of directly comparing them, it's a nice breath of fresh air

Rest in peace Miura sensei.

@akumuryuuzaki5992

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman Actually disgusting, I feel ashamed for living in the same planet as you

I'm not gonna lie, the matchups were crazy well chosen. Props for putting in extra effort to compare the artists as fairly as possible by choosing really fitting matchups.

@bait5257

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and Also props for not showing any of good panels from berserk at all

@Vasharan

3 жыл бұрын

@@bait5257 Haha, I noticed that as well. Miura's early work was... rough (both in writing and art), but the later Berserk mangas are otherworldly (sometimes literally).

@Yikeo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vasharan Some of the best art I've seen

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@bait5257 they probably Show them at the most similar and not at their best for example closeups of part 7 and 8 would have painted Araki in an entirely different light.

@bait5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@lorddio2737 still that's not fair. Why don't compare a manga artist with same art rather then showing miura's early work

C'mon can we just agree that both are great?

@SomeOne-bs1rd

3 жыл бұрын

Agree uwu.

@XETSUKI

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and some kiddos or ( some of the fans ) just being cringe and kiddos to say comic this manga this lol . They didn't know some mangaka and comic artist loved each other art

@auliasa6602

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X being toxic online sure is veeerrryy cool right mate?

@Syma408

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X why?? Both have beautiful arts Edit: i am a brazilliam Sorry for my poor english

@auliasa6602

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X oh, self awareness!

I love how back then comics were so menacing and cool, and we now fucking get “I’m not starfire” lmaooo

@user-qv6fg1zr6y

3 жыл бұрын

One thing I miss especially is the art style. Man wtf happened

@xenalien355

2 жыл бұрын

Read some alien comics ;)

@bistromathcommander8950

2 жыл бұрын

This is completely downplaying so many other comicbooks that are not for a certain demographic. This anti-sjw babble is useless.

@ButIamAStick

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-qv6fg1zr6y Nothing happend, they chose that artstyle for a Oneshot comic targeted to teenagers that is not canon. Normal comics still have amazing artwork.

@chubz6211

2 жыл бұрын

@Dr.Sir Bruce Armstrong Mother Fucker The Third I'd say the recent death metal comics from DC was pretty good for modern day comics

Respect for Stan Lee and Kentaro Miura, they are probably watching us and waiting us to become the greatest comic/manga artists of all time.

@ErenYeager-yc2do

5 ай бұрын

Stan Lee wasn't an artist

@lordbot9170

2 ай бұрын

​@@ErenYeager-yc2do filthy weeb without respect

DC and Marvel should start encourage Comic artist to create their own stories. with their original characters. Just like japan

@super88cloud

3 жыл бұрын

Vertigo and wherever saga is published are creator owned

@BasedVidya

3 жыл бұрын

@@super88cloud And Saga, Scott Pilgrim, and The Walking Dead are the only western comics I've bothered reading in a decade.

@raiden_187

3 жыл бұрын

They already do that alot do it's just doesn't get out there much plus everyone has there own storylines with the characters they use its still great

@samueljones3668

3 жыл бұрын

They do not sell and ended up wasted, Yes Vertigo, Image Etc broke this mold, but ironically they ended up being just like Marvel & DC with new created characters being sucked in to the Universe of each company. What the West needs is its own Shonen Jump as a way for aspiring artist to get recognition that way the mold of "insert comic house here" would be broken.

@swift_lordyt6865

3 жыл бұрын

@@samueljones3668 Vertigo is DC tho. Some of their works are creator owned.

I'd be interesting for mangakas to draw comic characters and comic artist draw anime characters

@allansmic4363

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see that!!!

@fluiddityy7398

3 жыл бұрын

Horikoshi and Isayama have done so. Hajime Isayama I know specifically had a crossover with Marvel I believe

@thejonker6980

3 жыл бұрын

@@fluiddityy7398 Yes there's that Avenfers vs Titans crossover, I had a copy of it hehe

@juryn7297

3 жыл бұрын

I think Yusuke Murata have drawn spiderman. I'm not so sure.

@thatonequietkidthatcarries5139

3 жыл бұрын

@@fluiddityy7398 wait what where can i see it??

Notice how a lot of the comic artists' works shown here are superheroes/supervillains but mangakas have a wider array of character types.

@deavinwarren1412

Жыл бұрын

Notice how most of the Manga look the same while the comics have very different art styles and character designs

@prajawalgurung6121

Жыл бұрын

@@deavinwarren1412 I think that applies more to mainstream anime, would you happen to be talking of big eyes, small nose, small mouth, big head attributes?

@DrWiki-po1hk

Жыл бұрын

@@deavinwarren1412 Notice how comics are for identity politics while manga is about conceptual art?

@DrWiki-po1hk

Жыл бұрын

@@prajawalgurung6121 Yes because he doesn't read manga. Don't let the wannabe anime in his profile picture fool you. Japan doesn't draw that.

@deavinwarren1412

Жыл бұрын

@@DrWiki-po1hk manga also has Politics as well and notice how you don't actually know s*** about comics because they're still making incredible art dumbass look I know you're just a biased anime weep that has no real arguments and hasn't picked up already comic only watch those why manga is out selling comic videos how about actually reading comics before you try to talk about them

What the title should be: Legendary western artists vs. Legendary eastern artist.

@P5Joker

3 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest man, the west _had_ amazing artists as household names in the comic industry at one point. But nowadays unfortunately not so much, at least the great ones aren't well known. The only ones getting any form of recognition are the ones drawing sub-par "politically correct" comics.

@user-ow1qs7jo7f

3 жыл бұрын

@@P5Joker now we have " I'm not Starfire"

@P5Joker

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ow1qs7jo7f 🤮🤮🤮

@yuukiruka3717

2 жыл бұрын

@@P5Joker agree, and sadly many of them only famous for superhero theme while eastern manga had more varied theme to use, even in my country manga is more popular than american comics and manga also easier to find in our bookstore, while western comic that sell in our country usually had relation to DC and marvel which didn had many variation than manga, u can correct me if im wrong im not really familiar with western comic but i many western author drawing are really good and it's such a shame to see good artist talent to be wasted and didnt being recognize by many people

something about Americana comics that doesn't look as expressive as manga. May be it looks too realistic and not and exaggerated in facials.

@abhimanyukanwal2955

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you haven't read enough American comics or maybe you've read the wrong ones

@mikesaharat4356

3 жыл бұрын

Both style are amazing, but still preferred manga expressions.

@Bestialce2007

3 жыл бұрын

That could also be a plus, no?

@Shyntie

3 жыл бұрын

They overly use square-shaped, cross-hatching as being using a rule as well. The smoth transition drawn in manga by a loose cross-hatching outlining sphere shapes makes it look more "alive", the gesture and action is pushed-up. Also dirtiness spots aren't drawn in comic, making a illustration as clean as they can. There's no uneveness as in manga- even smoke is clean making motioned action scenes feel a bit dimmed compared with manga. Ah, also the diference between black and white zones are sharply distincted, there's vaguely a intermediate zone between them. That narrows a little the expresiveness of some escenes.

@artbyatticus3001

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shyntie Great comparison

RIP Kentarō, you may live forever in our Hearts

@mmlttv7256

2 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman please have respect for the dead you may have not liked his work but respect him as a human being atleast okay

Winner: Jim Davis for Garfield 🏆

Rest in peace miura kentaro, I huge respect for you

It almost feels like taboo if a comic artist doesn’t draw Batman or Superman. I always thought I was weird how DC and Marvel monopolize the comic industry in the west. And we have these new upcoming comic artist with unique styles that are kind of wasted on marvel and dc. And the concept of heroes and villains is too cut and dry to be relatable and kind of boring.

@KingJmizZle

3 жыл бұрын

I mean... You are not wrong

@maxicam5980

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't just hero and villain, some comics are, but not all of them, is more complex than that, of course those conceps are there, but in what story arent? Almost every story has those conceps, and its fine, what matters is what the writter does with them

@cradodragmire1563

3 жыл бұрын

Spiderman and Daredevil are the only ones I could see people relate too. But unfortunately neither has gotten a really faithful movie adaptation.

@jmgonzales7701

3 жыл бұрын

@@cradodragmire1563 tbh i might have a unpopular opinion but i like superman the most because he is the OG he paved the way for most super heros in comics. But the reason i find him interesting is not because i could relate to him. But because he is inspiring. Everytime they make superman relatable he becomes more uninteresting example n52 they made his powers weaker and became more cool and it absolutely bombed...... the way to make superman is he has to be noble, a boy scout and inspire. Although i do want to see a Non american take on Marvel and DC. And im not talking about in terms of animation and drawings. Like litteral own take of it. Hopefully we do get an japanese take on DC and marvel or any other european take.

@93King

3 жыл бұрын

Why does everything have to be relatable?

Togashi doesnt have bad art, he just has bad schedules plus a lot of the art he redrew looked better than their original

@zacharypreval3186

3 жыл бұрын

Nah it's mostly heath problems that affect his art. When he's feeling better his art is amazing.

@memecream752

3 жыл бұрын

Damn he needs to retire then

@memecream752

3 жыл бұрын

@trihard ok?

@maz4425

3 жыл бұрын

@trihard what the fuck was the point of your comment?

@ext_sans8399

3 жыл бұрын

@@memecream752 Apparently hes too prideful to hire someone to draw for him. People are saying that he should just let his wife do it (Sailor moon Author).

I'm Japanese myself and prefer mangas over comics overall, but The Adventures of Tintin has special place in my heart. It's my childhood.

@doodleboi7034

2 жыл бұрын

Its great.

@doclouis4236

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised no one has done a video about European comics vs. Manga yet.

@ananya3171

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my words

@Mikazuchireborn

Жыл бұрын

@@doclouis4236 European comics is an absolute goldmine, and it deserves more attention in North America. For me, Asterix is absolutely magical. I could pick an old book every couple of years and have a completely different experience. Reading Asterix as kid: Laugh at all the funny jokes and slapstick. Reading Asterix as an adult: Suddenly notice all the historical jokes and references that completely flew over my head!

@steelymanfan7276

7 ай бұрын

When people say this same thing but with comics all the anime fans start assuming they've never read any manga's. I don't know why everyone pushes down comics so much, they are good a lot of the time, and as well as this people complain about how op the characters are and complain about scaling (and having looked at how some anime characters are scaled, making fun of comics scaling is amusingly ironic)

While you can't deny Kirby's influence and talent. I'm pretty sure the Father of Comics is Will Eisner. He had an amazing output of comics after serving in WWII. He even invented the term "Graphic Novel" when trying to pitch some comics.

6:14 god tier both guys.

@DanteAlighieri612

3 жыл бұрын

Add alex ross to that

@mintyal1382

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Lee has a lot of respect for manga artist. He talked about it during a panel at fan expo.

@yakupylmaz5853

3 жыл бұрын

which manga

@YeahButCanISniffUrPantsFist

3 жыл бұрын

god yes

@ocalvinista1646

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Lee was better in the 90s. His anatomy nowadays is somewhat weird. And manga was important for him.

You can't say yoshihiro togashi like the "worst" mangaka. The man is a genius . His physical condition rendered him unable to draw

@kekbin1697

3 жыл бұрын

Nah he just lazy

@hardikrai2836

3 жыл бұрын

@@kekbin1697 would you mind shutting up

@kekbin1697

3 жыл бұрын

@@hardikrai2836 just like miura, togashi become lazy shit that rather play dragon quest than drawing manga. Also, he is rich as fuck now, why bother drawing manga again?

@hardikrai2836

3 жыл бұрын

@@kekbin1697 sorry I don't speak wrong

@thelastgigachad7994

3 жыл бұрын

@@hardikrai2836 bruh why are you so childish

Thank you! This video help me a lot to know more about the varius styles. Also i think the stilystic comparison here is great!

Despite how different the artstyle is from comic vs manga, you can tell they are very similar. Whether it’s detailed, perspective or inking, they’re all equally amazing. They’re all amazing artists and there’s no need to say which is better. :)

Togashi Sensei stated that either his manga’s story will end first ir his life’s story will end first, Hunter x Hunter was one of the most notable mangas that Togashi had written. The story is long but not boring. He wanted Hunter x Hunter to have a satisfying ending but due to his current health state, he cannot continue the manga for awhile.

@memecream752

3 жыл бұрын

He should end it fast. The fans are assholes

@StrayLancer

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is he cant his back is killing him

@fahmiazhari1627

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X sounds like bullshit for me

@musketeers9196

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman bro chill

@exist.mp4

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman Daddy chill 🙄👋

Conclusion: if given enough time the most talented artists will have godly work no matter what they draw

@riardomilos8014

3 жыл бұрын

Refined conclusion: time exist so does practice.

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

yeah just use Made in Heaven and your draftsmanship skills will rise from 20 to 150 in one day.

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@handmethatpochitussy Unless you Rohan Kishibe then you will just be the only one to keep up with the pace for a long time.

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

@@lorddio2737 true😭😭😭😭

@4nem0ne

3 жыл бұрын

doubt

Honestly, that was harder than I thought it would be. Every one of these artists is amazing!

Alex Ross's art has more realism into his tone of skills but Kentaro Miura had more detail to the characteristics involving its grittiness of his style. Both of them are legends *R.I.P. Kentaro Miura*

Mangakas can shine better as the industry is not saturated with just a few characters.the problem with American comics is that it's soo convoluted,most of the characters have a shit ton of comics and it makes it hard to follow

@raiden_187

3 жыл бұрын

Comics aren't really saturated with few characters there is millions of characters and stories and even comics aren't just Marvel/dc theres multiple different stuff

@MrBigall

3 жыл бұрын

So true, just discovered Invisible. It's way better than another rehashed known hero marvel/DC they keep writing. It gets tiresome.

@kominatoriku5483

3 жыл бұрын

@@raiden_187 by comic people mostly mean dc and marvel which are and that being one of the big reasons mangas are outselling comics

@shigeokageyama5938

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I tried reading MARVEL/DC but I don't really know where to start. I read guides. But for some reason the start doesn't feel like a start. So yeah, i just gave it up LOL. And there's too many things going on anyway. Too messy. Searching standalone comics now though. I've watched Invincible S1 and now reading the comics. And it's good.

@raiden_187

3 жыл бұрын

@@kominatoriku5483 even then i still disagree with that assumption

The examples for Miura and Inoue don't do their work justice at all.

@bait5257

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@justarandomgundhamtanakaen3344

3 жыл бұрын

And araki, Part 7 is gorgeous but isnt showed here

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@justarandomgundhamtanakaen3344 ho Enrico! What a nice gravity this place has collected.

@natsukisubaru2763

3 жыл бұрын

And Murata

@kow__

3 жыл бұрын

And murata

I don't see any differences, just looking at the fact that all of this, whether comic or manga, requires great skill and great effort to become what it is today.

Thanks alot for this video !! I found alot of manga and comics that suit my tastes thanks to you ! I feel like the type of drawing usually brings a similar type of scenario !

take a shot when you see another batman.

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so fucking wasted rn

@vin6665

3 жыл бұрын

You’re gonna kill somebody.

@metaouroboros6324

3 жыл бұрын

So you've chosen death

@nittayoshifumi8252

3 жыл бұрын

Stop! Im ded already!

@bigdaddyb1837

3 жыл бұрын

Manga better than marvel DC shit

19:08 That's not Eiichiro Oda. Thats Eiji Aonuma . A video game designer from Nintendo

@NUEBOHEMIO

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for say it.

@luissantiagomijareso.2450

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for playing my game! 😜

@Dastardly_Duo

3 жыл бұрын

18:34***

@Dastardly_Duo

3 жыл бұрын

@Madu Abeykoon ??

@BIDEOSNOJAJA

3 жыл бұрын

@@luissantiagomijareso.2450 Cómo que tu juego bro?

i love how you pair the different artist with almost the same art style so that no more argument between which is better

They’re both so amazing, I really like comics because of how usually realistic and detailed they’re drawn but I also like manga because of how expressive and fun it is. There’s no way I could ever pick one.

As a... uhm, WEEB, i can truly say that after this video, i have a lot more respect to comic artists and illustrators, i'd even put my baises aside and say that this illustrator, Alex Ross, does art better and more realistically than any artist i've ever had the pleasure of witnessing, and this is including the manga illustrators that i hold so much biased towards, like Kentarou Miura, Takehiko Inoue, and even Junji Ito. Great vid man! 👍

@joeclarke7982

3 жыл бұрын

Ya Alex Ross is possibly the GOAT when it comes to comic art imo

@jonathanche6553

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeclarke7982 his art is absolutely insane

@riardomilos8014

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X damn bro that's gonna change somebody's mind if not for the broken English you wrote.

@askyourmama5862

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman congratulations

@poof9327

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeclarke7982 it’s too realistic for me xD but he is great!

I think my favorite thing from this video was seeing the similarities between these artists. In regards to Mignola vs. Atsushi, you can see how they use depth and shadow in their work. Its semi simplified but it never loses its emotion. I feel this was less like a "who did it better" and more of a "hey look, these are two different genres of art, but look at how alike they can be!" and for that, i appreciate this video, it was nice to see this.

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

They aren't different genre's more different adaptations of one Medium The difference is literally only the place of origin and the cultural influence in that.

@YannickTMessiah

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I never realized how close some of these artists are, it's very interesting.

Wow! Thank you for introducing me to soooooo many incredible comic book artsts, where it not for your video comparing western and eastern comic artists I would have had a very small pool of comic artists I admire both western and eastern.

why are bald guys so good at drawing

@cochayuyo1084

3 жыл бұрын

Being bald gives you power

I like the fact that all the comic artists and manga artists are line up is base on how each of their work mirrors each other.

The video was overall good. But that shade you threw at togashi was unfair. Dude has chronic back pain which is why his art is not always consistent. When he is feeling well his art is God tier. Versus lifield who has bad anatomy.

@wherestoomy8880

3 жыл бұрын

I feel it is unfair as well, looking at the amount of beautiful artwork he’s committed in YYH and HxH before his hiatus went far off shouldn’t make him even close to being one of “the worst”, he even reworked on panels in HxH which he himself knew was inexcusable. Sure I agree he is literally shitting out dialogue in the latest HxH chapters but come on, the dude himself has drawn so much beautiful artwork in the panels of his manga. Which the majority of them have been great to look at, especially for a Weekly Shonen Jump magazine.

@kohaiame2691

3 жыл бұрын

Shin Shamen was making fun of Muira's passing in another video; saying he was glad that he died.

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@Punch Line It doesn't surprize me though from other comments

@HerMi.T

3 жыл бұрын

Bad anatomy of liflied is just his artstyle like Eichiro oda's artstyle of one piece.

@historyking9984

3 жыл бұрын

@@HerMi.T no it’s not. It’s different in a fantasy world like one piece where the anatomy of that kind is part of the world. In the comics liefeld was making it doesn’t make sense. Like arms don’t bend that way, that extra muscle doesn’t exist. He literally hates drawing feat so hurts the story and arch for images to not fit that

idc about the whole vs thing, this is just a vid full of FIRE art

Dang, you could see the talent of the artists and the effort they out in to polish their art

Bringing imagination to life with a pencil is a very amazing thing, I don't think we should compare them, they're different styles

@cyspiegel8603

3 жыл бұрын

I never liked this stance in these kind of discussions... cause deep down you have a preference if you're honest with yourself. Ferrari vs Lamborghini, Red or Blue, Madrid vs Barcelona, Prince or Michael Jackson... deep down you have a choice for all those, and that's ok.

@damianogiolitti3416

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 yeah you have no control over your preferences so why hide them. At the end it's just an opinion

@Wishhuhhh

3 жыл бұрын

@@damianogiolitti3416 yeahh but many people become toxic and hate each other There are some toxic comic and manga reader

@Minahme-ob4kj

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 it’s common sense really. What you prefer is not the same as what is objectively “better". I may like metal more than rock but that doesn’t make rock worse, it’s just different, which is why art is mostly subjective rather than factual

@shakthiganesh5117

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 Preference is different though. What the OP is saying is that one is not objectively better than the other since they are both different styles.

There’s shitty comics and trashy mangas but there’re also a lot of great comics and mangas. Don’t judge things by it lowest point, be fair. If manga fans want to bring out Vagabond and Berserk then Comic fans can bring out masterpieces like Sandman, the Dark Knight or The Killing Joke,... Overall this video is only based around art so I think we should talk about art style more. Personally I prefer comic art style for its epic coloring and amazing anatomy, poses! Nonetheless, some mangas really exceeded those criteria too, it’s amazing to see how different culture adapt the same kind of visual storytelling

@PixelBraint

3 жыл бұрын

This

@onionsoup3570

3 жыл бұрын

Preach

@giornogiostar3214

3 жыл бұрын

Killing Joke is overrated and rushed, not a masterpiece.

@thelastgigachad7994

3 жыл бұрын

@@giornogiostar3214 cap

@giornogiostar3214

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelastgigachad7994 No cap, even Moore said it.

Very good work. More than a "VS" I felt it like a way of learning about different authors and their styles.

Always been more a comics fan, but after watching this video there are some gems in the "manga world" that i didn't knew they existed and i absolutely want to read them! Thanks for the cool video.

If the comparison was done current year, witch comics like "Im Not Starfire" and "New Warriors", manga will mop the floor with comics. ._.

@demonslayer6648

3 жыл бұрын

True it's kinda sad because I use to love how western comics were colored and drawn but now everything just looks so bland while Manga is almost more artistic and expressive

@zombiecandy570

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. But at the same time there’s stuff like dark knights death metal, king in black, x of swords, etc. which are all super recent and they have phenomenal art.

@bryanmerel

3 жыл бұрын

@@zombiecandy570 can't say that's enough. Specialy since for every one good comic out there, there's 20 good manga to challenge it.

@zombiecandy570

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryanmerel I’m not saying one is better than the other. I highly respect both. I just wanted to make it clear that there are still passionate and skilled western comic artists in the industry. And that isn’t to say that there aren’t equally as passionate and skilled manga artists.

@demonslayer6648

3 жыл бұрын

@@zombiecandy570 True there are definitely still a number of amazing western comic artists

Both are amazing, but there is something 'alive and breathing ' inside manga drawings. I dont know how to describe it

@ahmadsyukrimohdshamsul6768

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because the face are too perfect. I duuno don't flame me

@Ouchthathurt843

3 жыл бұрын

Its just the style of comics, but you get used to it in my opinion. Coming from manga to comics I thought was weird too, but I learned to enjoy it and get a feel for it. I feel like some in this comment section came from a more manga background and find comics strange or even inferior when they're just different.

@mohammadshabih5293

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ouchthathurt843 do you have any recommendations?

@babywolf4238

3 жыл бұрын

@@mohammadshabih5293 What are you looking for?

@Christopher._M

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ouchthathurt843 artistically they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Story wise and even emotionally i would pick manga. Not to mention they also have so much more variety. They can literally make a story about farming, cooking, and sleeping have a nice spin to it.

Well done! I think the matchups are pretty well thought out. Best thing is I'm introduced to lots of artists and art styles I wouldn't have stumbled upon outside this video.

Never had to pause as many times in a youtube video. Such great art gotta admire it

The different is only one thing. Creativity and freedom. Tell me, when is the last time you see an original comic from western reach the same height with batman/superman? Close to none. Western talent are wasted imo. They have amazing talent but never utilize it. No original character and original story. All refresh same story but with a twist here and there and spin off.

@post-humangod2575

3 жыл бұрын

Because they only care about what is popular and what will make their comic sell.

@centuryfiles9558

3 жыл бұрын

This is what I wish changed about the western comic industry

@joshgroban5291

3 жыл бұрын

The only comics are old ones, when the industry was just born. There are barely any new western comics that apply to what you speak off sadly

@ootoritheboobsman.9421

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly....

@mohitkhati5302

3 жыл бұрын

@@post-humangod2575 the irony is that the top selling comics in the world are not western comics but mangas and it isn't even close

Broke: Comics vs Manga Woke: Comic Artists vs Mangakas

@SFTaYZa

3 жыл бұрын

Broke and woke are one in the same.

I would never compare beautiful art to each other they're both honestly talented without manga and comic book artists our favorite characters would be nothing they're just important as their stories

I never realized how much comic art looked like manga art when it's not colored

You did a great job at finding comparable styles between comic book and manga artists. Great video, I knew a lot of these amazing artists already but not all of them, I'll take this as an opportunity to learn more , thank you very much

The worst thing is they take like hours or days to paint them and some people only watch it for like 10 seconds T-T

@user-mh6ju3pg8c

3 жыл бұрын

I take my time to know and analyze how they did such amazing work

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

The Berserk manga takes months for each chapter to release because Kentarou needs time to do his "Magic" on the manga.

You did great duels! You chose artists that are playing on the same field. Nice work!

I love how you found on both sides artist with similar styles/techniques to judge them fairly, which just shows that at the end of the day beautuful art is beautiful art

I reaaly want to see Junji Ito in here...

@Simone-ep8wu

3 жыл бұрын

Holy words

@bait5257

3 жыл бұрын

Berserk takes it away. He just didn't show any good panels at all

@cankul7745

3 жыл бұрын

@@bait5257 tastes are indusputable :/

@handmethatpochitussy

3 жыл бұрын

you mean the TREVOR HENDERSON of Japan?

I think that people need to understand the vast difference between the Manga industry, the traditional comics industry in the US, and the European comics industry. In Japan, manga books are so mainstream that people left them on the subway's seats! Also, the characters are totally not owned by their creators, legally talking, the creators are bound to the magazines and publication houses they signed with. Example : when Shaman King was cancelled from Jump because the ratings got too low according to Jump magazine, which is a huge corporation in Japan, Hiroyuki Taikei could NOT self-publish or even seek another publisher...! He lost the possibility of ending is epic 32 books series, up until another publication house decided to buy the rights from Jump. The Manga industry is a lot more like the Pop music or Hollywood industry in the West. It's hugely mainstream, competitive, the creators are rock stars, but there a whole team behind the most popular series, much more than for comics. The size and nature of the industry is entirely different. Mangas are consumed like fast-food. In the West the comics is now mostly a collectors' market; and in Europe, it turned into a collectors' market a long time ago with the large-format hardcover books. I'm not sure people get the scope of work needed to be a successful published mangaka in Japan. 60-80 hours weeks non-stop and your entire life's work, even if it's cult, can get cancelled over some rating. Think 3x the amount of work needed for a successful webcomic. It simply is not the comic paradise we want to believe it is here in the West. There is a cost to selling so many copies of anything.

@cyberman1305

3 жыл бұрын

European comics industry are dead!!!!!!!!!!

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyberman1305 Yes

@gamenorman1961

2 жыл бұрын

It's obvious, isn't it, that other companies can't sell Spiderman exclusively on their own, even in west? The main issue is the payment of royalties to the author. manag gets royalties to the author. The comic system, where the author does not receive royalties, should be seriously considered.

I like how You put similar Styles againd each other love them both, great work

Wow. I honestly thought this would be just an average video of a fanboy, instead, I found an unbiased comparison of powerhouse artists and their counterpart of the other side. Well done, NUEBOHEMIO. You're obviously knowledgeable on the stuff, and you clearly did your research.

I just love seeing Guts and Wolverine side by side

@Wellshem

3 жыл бұрын

Those two gritty would secretly like each other

@tahmkench118

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wellshem And both of their lives have been filled with nothing but pain and suffering.

@georgejoestarii9469

3 жыл бұрын

Gambino and Thomas Logan are pieces of SHIT MAN. John Howlett Sr is the Dad that we need.

Tanto los creadores de cómics como mangakas tienen una pasión increíble por dibujar y crear historias.

I think a good take away from this is that both are amazing and we should just enjoy the fantastic art! Thank you to all creators!

Thks for the vidéo, art incredible everytime. I now have many other séries to check from these author

I think both comic artists and magakas are amazing at their art.

hmmm, i personally wouldnt say Togashi was bad, the character was supposed to look grotesque, it wasnt supposed to be human. It was literally written as a monster, so it should look like one.

@dedcapybara9158

3 жыл бұрын

We have the same 💭thoughts

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

Okay, seeing Darwyn Cooke paired with Akira Toriyama was just one of the godliest things I've ever seen.

i love how you provided similar style comparisons

With Comic book artists, they put a lot of shadow and detail, which I love and is really difficult to imitate With Mangakas they simplify a few things while managing to make it look cool, they create new cool characters which I like Conclusion: Comic book artists are amazing at shadow and detail Mangakas are better at fashion and characters But both are good at making characters seem 3D and realistic

Both are wonderful. Also, I think the video creator who made this many works with similar art styles is amazing.

I honestly have mass amounts of respect for both parties for their craft and and just... amazing art. They’re both completely different styles with their own charm I LOVE BOTH

I can't let you get away with that togashi shit man, he's one of the best mangaka ever. His art is only really bad pretty rarely, and it has more to do with his mental health than his artistic skill. But when he's good, he's fucking good. Some of the best design sense, paneling and just visual storytelling in either comics or manga

@amoralpedantic

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought that was pretty disrespectful to Togashi. Considering the health issues he's had to deal with, while penning some of the greatest Action/Shounen of all time.

@paste5502

2 жыл бұрын

@hobo I mean yea lol, there's a point where that shit is just unreadable. But when hunter hunter is good, it's really fucking good

@JohnVmc2

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but Rob Liefeld is, actually, a better comic artist them him. or you're trying to imply that the creator is trying to say that both as trash, except that only Togashi isn't as bad as people claim? If that's the point you're trying to make, them you're being unfair.

I love both comics and Manga art. ❤️❤️

Actually funny how people get so defensive. Is just a video HxH is good, stop whining

@kojikowatakashi7767

3 жыл бұрын

Want to use killer queen on them?

@alessandrofilippetti

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I also love yu yu hakusho but it's undeniable what is stated about the author

@kojikowatakashi7767

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaman X you are garbage

@u-thix2436

3 жыл бұрын

@Shin Shaman Okay cool

@Agustin_Leal

3 жыл бұрын

@@kojikowatakashi7767 You are all garbage! (Keanu Reeves reference)

They are all such talented people, it's truly an honor to be able to enjoy their work. Great video man

Rip to Kentaro Miura who’s name will be known for creating a master piece and will always live on in his work. Guts- “He died doing what he wanted, no matter what right? I bet he was happy”

Kentaro :(

I lol'd at the "worst" comic artist and "worst" manga artist.

@cyspiegel8603

3 жыл бұрын

Whoever does Mob Psycho 100 should've gotten an honorable mention in that category 😂😂

@guy-rk1jj

3 жыл бұрын

Thats the same dude that did one punch man lol. He wasnt an artist to begin with but he is a pretty damn good storyteller

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyspiegel8603 "One" the same guy behind OPM

I don't really care about comparing them, but i think it's cool that you found similar art styles, also a great vid for manga recommendations (or for comics)

@lorddio2737

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@oppenheimer2822

Жыл бұрын

He forgot two greatest authors, Alan Moore and Kazuko Koike, Alan Moore is regarded as one of the best comics book writers, his Watchmen is regarded as one of the greatest comic books ever and his another masterpieces are V for Vendetta, From hell, Batman: the killing joke all of them are 10/10 and Kazuko Koike is one of the best mangakas, his notable manga is "Lone wolf and cub" is regarded as one of the best and influential manga his other masterpieces are Wounded Man, Lady snowblood, Crying Freeman, Oscar, all of them are 10/10

Learned new names I didn't hear before in the American Comics and Manga industries! Hope to see a Bruce Timm and Hayao Miyazaki comparison in the future!

Why dont use part jojo 8 and 7 pannels.they have best art .

@iliveinsideyourhouse3943

3 жыл бұрын

Part 7 is the best part

@ununun9995

3 жыл бұрын

It's because this is supposed to be a comparison between two fairly similar work, not nessesarly the best

@YeahButCanISniffUrPantsFist

3 жыл бұрын

true, Araki shines also i didnt see D Gray mans mangaka Katsura Hoshino here yet despite of her ETHERAL art

@pinhead5467

3 жыл бұрын

Ehh I liked part 3-6 more since the characters rn feel like they have same face syndrome

@shaositofreemelee7345

3 жыл бұрын

True?

this video should be discounted for the mere fact that Togashi is 'considered' to be the worst mangaka. Absolutely bullshit.

@eh5349

3 жыл бұрын

Cool a guy who never probably even watch or read the manga callin it sucks

@ovfilho

3 жыл бұрын

Togashi em "Level E" tá sensacional

@splashbin

3 жыл бұрын

why do people hate togashi’s art so much? it’s not even bad

@felizianosole896

3 жыл бұрын

@@jalenharris7326 es que es que hxh siempre es lo mejor

@azammudin882

3 жыл бұрын

@@splashbin hater always being toxic.

sin duda este es el mejor video que has echo en toda tu historia