That was impressive. Hard for any rifle at 200yards standing. Let alone a smooth bore musket..great job

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Snap

Smoothbore accuracy is much better than I assumed. Shooting minute of enemy at even 100 meters is no joke! Especially since any hit with a miniature cannonball is likely to put the target out of the fight conclusively. A .69 with lead roundball could take out a bear or a horse, not less a soldier.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Yes smooth bores are much more accurate than people generally give them credit for and I am honestly convinced that this paper cartridge could take an elephant at close range.

@tedarcher9120

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang I wonder if you loaded it with .72 ball, it should be massively more accurate!

Very happy to see more people shooting home made black powder. Please make a video on how you do yours.

12ga rifled slugs fired out of a 69cal musket is surprisingly accurate. I saw a guy shooting them out of an 1842 Springfield smooth bore at the range.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I'll have to try that sometime

@tedarcher9120

Жыл бұрын

Not rifled, but air stabilised slugs should work very well

TFW you have more cartridges in your cartridge box than British Regulars carried during the attack on Bunker Hill. Great video and impressive shooting!

That was a terrific terrific video

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Must admit Ethan you brought a tear of joy to my eyes watching you

The archeology report from Fort Necessity identified two basic sizes of musket balls found on site - .685 for British muskets and .62 for French muskets (fusils).

I have watched this video several times and do not grow tired of it. As others have stated, impressive shooting that proves the old guns could do the job intended at further distance than current beliefs. Now that you have shown the Brown Bess abilities, I do believe it's time to show the Charleville in the same manner. You can obviously shoot straight, and I have always thought the Charleville was a better firearm. That would be something to see for the outcome! This is a superb video to watch to disprove old thoughts of inaccuracy of smoothbores! Please keep it up!!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thank you we will put ol char to the test soon

Coffee , Bacon and 11BangBang....great way to start the day

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

What people tend to forget when doing these tests is that, firing with this weapon was usually done in massed volleys. British army doctrine at this, at least for the first volley, was for the men in line to take aim at their target. You say and the video confirms that you got 2 hits out of 3 shots at 150 yards. Volley firing at a massed compact target those misses would likely have hit the targeted soldiers rear rank man. The one shot at 200 yards that the camera picks up the bullet impact, you would probably have the man 2 files to the right or left ,depending on your point of view.

@philgreen815

18 күн бұрын

Yes I very much agree, and if you break down the amount of rounds carried by each soldier, the chances of a hit, then the casualty rate, was quite surprising not forgetting the damage caused by wounding ? Usually a lost leg or arm ? Death from infection,. A very effective weapon for so many years.

That intro is pretty nostalgic

That was amazing. I did not give the Brown Bess that much credit due to the large caliber involved and I am a Charleville fan. But you have proved me wrong. Very impressive for any firearm to hit a target that far away off hand, not to mention the gun is a 18th century reproduction of a smooth bore. eat your heart out AR fans.

I enjoyed the video. I did this years ago, and it was myself that wrote about the gasses centering the ball it the bore with the old Cannon and Fg stout chrages. I also wrote an article concerning the paper also acting as a sabot (depending on how you load it), and that these guns were accurate to these long distances long before the two you mentioned. Folks ridiculed me for it but time has shown the truth of it. Back in the 1970s the Brown Bess boys were kicking buckets filled with cement around consistently at long range. Therefore it pleases me to know end to see others doing it as well which disproves the naysayers. Well done.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir we sure appreciate it one thing's for sure I definitely feel comfortable shooting minute of red coat out to 150 with the brown bess especially the land pattern

Great video and thank you. As a person who shoots and hunts and shoots with muzzleloaders on a frequent basis, thank you for two debunks 1. The accuracy of smoothies, so many people think the accuracy is horrendous and you proved them wrong, 2. India made muskets are only good for Wall hangers and if you use them, the barrel blows or the main spring in the lock breaks. Well done sir of making the nay sayers eat crow.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thank you verymuch

Now that's Soldiering!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

As long as I can shoot three shots a minute in any weather

Excellent marksmanship! Glad you're on our side!! Thank you for your service. You should try making a bipod using a couple of sticks and some twine as they would have had back in that era. Great video!!!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

we intend to do that real soon for a matchlock video

Absolutely superb seeing you shooting the beautiful Brown Bess. I shot black powder, mainly Baker rifle/musket with the 2nd Btn 95th Rifles (re-enactment) and we tried long shots, and sustained fire drills, with one firing, others reloading, keeping up a continuous rate of fire. Very interesting to try out ? Yet another amazing video, many thanks.

I just fired a 1st model of 1740 long land Brown Bess last Saturday for the very first time ever firing a flintlock. I bought a damaged Bess that came from Naragansett Arms in the 1990's, a real quality Bess, that had four broken solder joints on the barrel lugs. But what a thing of beauty! Shiny, with all the proper stamps, and a Tower lock marked 1740. With 75 gr of ffg in the bore and 25 gr of ffg in the pan, it fired perfectly in 14 deg F windy weather. At 80 yards and ten shots, three shots landed below the target as I calibrated myself to how it shot, and three others landed on target. This video is like being back out there again, and makes me even happier to own the old Brown Bess. Thanks for sharing with us your day of shooting yours! I'd like to get in touch with your and talk shop and learn more about flintlock shooting. I have so many questions! Let me know if that is possible. - Kurt in Ramsey, Minnesota.

Y'alls videos are getting better and better. Keep up the good work!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

The thing why most muskets are ineffective beyond 200 meters is because of the length of the barrel because the ball rattles when it fires causing it to have a unpredictable accuracy

@Real11BangBang

Ай бұрын

So that's actually a myth. Generally you get one of two things. Whenever you fire off a musket, you're either a going to have a Ring of burning gases surrounding the ball bringing it down the barrel. Or B You are going to have the ball set up, which means that the immediate pressure Spike of the main charge going off is going to actually smash the ball and fill up the windage of the barrel What causes a musket to be not as accurate is what is known as the Magnus effect. Basically, if you don't put a spin on the ball that is going to be reliable and consistent every time the ball will pick up its own spin and after about 150 yd it'll ll start to either yaw up down left or right due to the unpredictable spin

I like that Brown Bess! Excellent shooting.I like the different distance that you done.David Back.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I was able to get the Short Land but they have been out of the Long Land for a minute now. You've just re-inspired my interest though. I was also using .690 ball and my own home made BP through the SLP. Heck of a lot of fun. Keep up the good work.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I need to get my hands on a short land pattern Brown bess flintlock eventually. I have an original unfortunately it's been converted to percussion cap.

@a.r.m.4you182

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang Too bad we weren't closer as neighbors. I'd let you use mine. If you ever decide to visit CA lemme know. There's lots of cool history to see here too.

They don't tell you this but you can still do all the warcrimes with a musket.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Would you care for a lesson in the rules of war... or perhaps maybe your children would. Col Tavington

(Scottish accent) ahh yes good olé Brown Bess in the morning, perfect👌

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you I may have to do the Scottish Murdock pistol again at some point.

Found your channel today . Great powerful British gun 💪🏻🇬🇧 cheers from here in the UK . Impressive marksmanship and great choice of music 👏🏻

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

If I ever get a martini Henry I'll be sure to do the opening to "Men of harlech" and I'll dedicate it to you.

@13JAMLAND

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang YES! LOVE IT! I'll drink to that my friend , cheers!🍻 SUBSCRIBED! 🇬🇧🇺🇲

great intro music and video. I love my Brown Bess. Well done guys

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@pilgrimm23

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang btw mine is missing the bayonet holder; but it came with a Napoleon era socket bayonet

Great and fantastic video Ethan! Can you show us how you make that homemade musket 1f powder? Again, superb video!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

if you want see how check everything black powder we just used his recipe

British muskets were shortened during the F&I war. Four inch sections of sawn off musket barrels were found at Fort Ligonier.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Yes some of them were. And after handling this beast I can see why especially in the heavily wooded areas of Pennsylvania New York and South Eastern Canada. However I do believe though that this would have been most likely limited to Rangers, light infantry, and Native allies who had been armed with British land pattern muskets from all I've read I don't think line infantry would have been allowed to cut down government property. Someone must have noticed the benefits though because it wasn't long until the short land pattern was developed in a much handier package.

She's definitely a "big, ol' gurl". I love that big, ol' gurl!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

As do I

Hey Ethan, that was a blast to watch! Literally! Lol. What I was really surprised and gratified to see was the actual British army loading technique, actually priming the pan from the cartridge. No one will do that these days citing safety reasons. Hope I didn't open a can of worms here. Lol. Keep up the great work and Garrett, I enjoyed the music! Keep your flint sharp, your priming dry, and stay free! TC

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks TC Yeah People used to complain about it but my thought has always been "If it is so dangerous then how come it was done hundreds of thousands of times during the 18th and early 19th centuries?" I would have thought that if soldiers were accidentally discharging their muskets in their face while loading that military commanders probably would have taken notice real quick and tried to figure out something different LOL

@TurkeyCreek-ek8mj

Жыл бұрын

Yessir! Well stated!

@gijoe508

9 ай бұрын

People shot themselves all the time loading that way back then, that’s why they used leather hammer stalls, if you read about the campaigns in the french and Indian war they are always having those issued because of accidents

It's still one of my all-time favorites

Love the music

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Nice, just plain Nice, I wonder if your hitting is influenced by the consistent conformity of the powder your using . Good shooting, videos like this is the reason i subscribed. Well done!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks It could be that . Garrett did a real good job with this batch of powder.

Wild! You & duelist1954 are dispelling the myths of smoothbore inaccuracy

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

The Godfather of everything blackpowder "Duelist" is a little better at that than I am LOL Thanks

Great project.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Fantastic job! I need a Military Heritage Brown Bess badly after watching this! Great video!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

you should get you one

Watched last night's stream and had to stop by. Nicely done and we appreciate the work. Kind of gets me in a mind to build a gun around my Nepalese bess lock. (Barnette marked 1805)

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you yes that sounds like it would be a great project it would make a fine musket too

I am impressed good shooting.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Awesome video and incredible shooting!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thankyou. By the way here in a couple of weeks before Thanksgiving we're going to be putting out a video testing the non graphited powder in the match log will let you know how it goes

@firearmsaddictloveguns

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang that will be a good one.

Great video, and great shooting!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thankyou

I bought the Rogers Rangers' shortened Brown Bess from Military Heritage with the 34" barrel. I was so unimpressed with the wood finish that I spent a week stripping that toxic Indian shellac off and refinished it with a hand rubbed linseed oil. I have about a one in three misfire and am considering opening the flash hole a bit, just haven't done it yet. I only have a 100 yd range to test her on, but she will hit consistently inside a 6 inch circle target at 100 yds. Not exactly up to compete with modern military guns, but more than I was expecting. 250 yd hits is impressive!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

It's funny you should mention that about the shellac that is on the wood of these Indian muskets because the musket that we show in this video is about to be featured in a series of videos on refinishing it and making it look fairly nice.

I have a Short Land Pattern and always wanted to do long range testing Thanks

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

oh yes they are more accurate then people think

The bayonet lug being canted is probably realistic can't imaginethey got them all lined up perfect, lot of modern military and civilian guns have canted sights

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I've been talking with another individual and he had stated that his Pederosoli Brown bess also had a canted lug

In 18th century British military parlance that “bayonet lug” is called “the sight”. Don’t feel bad, I reenact French and Indian war British light infantry and only recently learned this.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I knew there were several old manuals that referred to it as a front sight and yes and I would love to use it as a front sight however it is sitting at the 10 o'clock position on the barrel lol

OMG! 👀❤️👍 ManOman would I feel like I died at went to heaven if I could do that at that distance with my diy powder! Yeesh.

When percusion caps were i troduced it lowered th misfire rate from 2 to 3 out of 10 to 12 to one in roughly 70. Gratly increasing the death toll.

@brucevaughn2886

7 ай бұрын

Percussion marked a dramatic advance for results obtained on target whether at the range or in the woods and fields.

Good shooting 👍🏻

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

in the movie the patriot mel gibson tells gen. cornwallis that his men are very good marksmen...i believe the load they used was this 200gn load... higher velocity makes for flatter shooting and less deviation and better gyroscopics.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

i believe you are right

@johnmullholand2044

Жыл бұрын

But, to my understanding, there is a point of diminishing returns with black powder arms. More powder makes a bigger boom, more smoke, more recoil, but no more velocity. If you want more power from a black powder gun, go with a bigger caliber, instead of more gunpowder.

Better accuracy at those ranges than I thought for a smoothbore. I liked the slo-mo

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

yes they shoot way better then most people give them credit for

@Squib1911

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang I've never shot a musket. Always wanted to.

I don’t know but I’d say you did plum good throwing cannon balls down range! It’s nasty to think about being hit with a chunk of lead that size, or most any size really! Sometimes I wonder how anyone survived a hail of lead in those battles. My GGGrandfather volunteered three term with the Calvary Pennsylvania Volunteers. My Grandfather was to inherit his papers, metals, sword and all but unfortunately someone rush into Grandpa’s house in 1912 upon his death and secretly ran off with it. He was 87 when he passed. It’s family histories and stories I Love hearing/ reading about. Kind Thanks, Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

@Real11BangBang

9 ай бұрын

thank-you very much im sorry to hear about losing your grandpas stuff

French test cr 1750, not sure of the date, they shot a sheet 6’high, 100’ long at three hundred yards got 13% hits. This was the ‘front’ of a company sized target

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the info

@josephwalukonis9934

Жыл бұрын

My recollection is that it was the Prussians who did this test.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

@@josephwalukonis9934 Yes the Prussians did do this accuracy test. I do feel like that was in the 1780s though... Maybe the French did it prior to that?

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I work on a ranch/farm where we bail hay for our cattle with round bales wrapped in net that is 6 ft wide. The old paper rollers that the net is on is 6 ft long and it unrolls into a thin sheet of paper. I'm kind of wanting to unroll 100 ft of these papers and try this test for myself.

@jeffreyrobinson3555

Жыл бұрын

@@josephwalukonis9934 maybe, been too many years since I read it

Three things....first, your a good shot. Next, what size ball are you using? Did you use any Kentucky windage at the longer range?

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

hey Doug we got your book in yesterday and we much appreciate it thankyou very much. first we are shooting 69. cal roundball and found that the drop was not much if any at 200 meters when using a full 200 grain charge so no kentucky windage

@dougdukes1039

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang Glad you got the book. Hope you enjoy it. The reason for the ask about the ball size is, I have been researching paper cartridges from the time. Cant speak much to Rev War, But in Texas during Tex Rev, it varied alot. The 1840 Ordinance manual called for .64 caliber ball, but different militia's used different size but they were normally set between .62 and .65. I have wondered if this is the reason the smooth bores got such a poor reputation at range. Thanks for the video and the videos you do.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

@@dougdukes1039 I do know that a lot of Charleville and 1795 springfields muskets were sent to Texas by President Andrew Jackson to help fight the Mexican Army. Both of these types of muskets had .69 caliber barrels and the correct round ball size for those muskets was a 0.638 (often referred to as a as .64 caliber.)

I say, this Lad is a damn great shot..!!

@Real11BangBang

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Hi Guys, Great video and amazing shooting ! Thanks for posting....Doc

@Real11BangBang

Ай бұрын

thankyou very much for watching!

accuracy test please. Does it make a difference if paper first or ball first?

Man, I love that song.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

its pretty great

For crying out loud, next time PLEASE use the King's measurements instead of this here modern day metric thing! LOL. P.S. Well done.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I need a range finder that uses yards I just use the metric system because I know where my Pace count is on that lol. Thanks

When I lived in NJ, I visited a small museum that had a recently excavated musket ball. It was about .69 cal and had the impression of a front tooth in it! Some poor bloke got shot in his teeth.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

oh wow lol that would tickle

Nice shootin!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thank-you lol that means something coming from you!

far more accurate than i would have ever bet on that's for sure.

Homemade powder?? Taking some lessons from Jake at EBP? Great video BTW!

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

lol yup it was just to expensive before

@johnmullholand2044

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang How does your homemade gunpowder measure up versus factory black powder? Are you getting more or less velocity from an equal amount?

Like your channel🎉you show how well it can perform and with Indian made gun 😊

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

thankyou

Keep in mind that there was probably another fellow standing close enough to your targeted guy who would be hit by your "miss" Even if you hit low, the rounds would deflect and take out legs or other parts !

And wow even with the historic prime from the cartridge first, surprised people are not wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth at you over that.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

We usually get our videos demonetized over stuff like that... Worth it for historical accuracy.

@greywuuf

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang it's research, men have an an inherent right to do risk benefit analysis assessment of their own actions...mention it in case you were unaware (if you must)...and move on with your life. NANNIES really bug me.

I don't know if you can help me out with this, but I would love to see a video on something. When you watch The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, you see the guy go into the gun shop and quickly dismantle and put together a gun based on the timing of the cylender and the barrel being good. But he does it all so quickly. Where as anytime I see anyone dismantle them online it's always a slow process. Can you explain this to me? What was more accurate, the way it is in that movie or the way the guys on KZread do it?

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

it is slower in real life as wedges must be removed and screws must be turned.

@yearight1205

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang Okay, so the movie wasn't accurate. I was wondering about this, because I'm new to black pistol revolvers, and after learning the proper way to take these guns apart and all that, I saw The Good, The Bad and The Ugly for the first time the other day and I was like "...... well son of a bitch, can you do it like that??" LOL Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

What type of powder do you use for your muskets?

@Real11BangBang

2 ай бұрын

Homemade historically accurate 18th century 1 f powder

what is the name of the song used at about 3:40? its beautiful

@Real11BangBang

6 ай бұрын

that is over the hills from the sharp series

How tight does your brown bess bayonet fit? Do they come fitted from military heritage?

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

hello sorry it took so long to respond short answer is yes ours fits

I'm a big flint shooter. I'm considering buying a military heritage brown bess. Do yall drill the flash hole yourselves?

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

yes if you type in military Heritage into youtube a video of us will come up

@confederate8417

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang thanks for the reply. 19-delta btw brother.

The good old days when firearms were the size of the men using them.

Is it true that pyrodex will not ignite in a flintlock? No one sells black powder within 100 miles of my home. I’m sure the home owners association at my townhouse complex would not be happy of I tried making homemade bp.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

it is very unreliable and when it geos off it can take up to 3 seconds to get from the pan to the main charge. you're best bet is to order it online

Good video

@Real11BangBang

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed

Well done .... Hily

Who does the opening music? I didn't see a credit for it.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

it is from the sharp tv series we share add revenue for it.

@hazcat640

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang Cool. Just thought it was a good song. I don't even have a TV.

Seemed to be having a bit of hang when you got to the 100 meter.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that happens from time to time lol

@greywuuf

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang that's OK, just helps to point out any "form" issues you might have ....but it contributes to having that much tougher time being consistent. Very nicely done.

👏

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I would like to see the speed through a chronograph. But good video, 👍

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Noted!

Anyone have an opinion on saguaro arms? Trying to find the right place to get into flintlocks, but I don't know if I'll like it so I don't want to spend a ton of money.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

i have no idea about them. we started with military Heritage and they have been great

@IRONMIKE883

Жыл бұрын

@11BangBang, thanks. I'll check them out, but I might have to wait for the musket I want to be in stock.

King George would not approve of this video...

Come on Hillbilly 😂 you know who this is you should be hitting those 300m targets 😂 treat it like a SIG HIGHPOINT 😂

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I might have to try it again now that I've got my front sight on straight at the 12 o'clock instead of at the 10 o'clock lol

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Also my time with the MPs definitely made me Rusty

Good evening from Syracuse NY brother and everyone else and the sub-titles are really bad with English and the songs

Thank you so much for this video! # Debunked # MusketFuddLore

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@masonponton3077

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang I sure did and I bet with practice you could do 200

200 grains of powder is an extremely heavy charge.

@Maverick966

Ай бұрын

Brown Bess historical charge reached up to 8 drams, equivalent to 218 grains including priming

You should take a colt 44 revolver out to distance

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

we may have to give that a try!

I'd love to see one drilled and tapped for a scope or red dot.

It is about 11 guage. 12 guage is .729 10 guage is .770 som75 is inbetwen.

I'm glad to see his faith in God we need mor people like him.

Might I comment that you might do well to watch some of your slo mo footage? ...your follow through does not seem to be good. You come out of recoil and are all ready dropping the butt and searching for target impact.......just an observation.

@Real11BangBang

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that when I was editing so the next day I went out with a brown bess with the same powder charge of 200 grains I ran 150 rounds through it just to get over the flinch and practice my follow-through... I've got it down now.

@greywuuf

Жыл бұрын

@@Real11BangBang glad you noticed it. Did it make a difference? It is common that people attribute all kinds of "failings" on the equipment. And I am bot calling you out here ...I am generalizing....but if you can't hit a barn with open sights on a minute of angle modern weapon you can not hit a barn with a muzzle loader and no sights. The fundamentals remain and a good shot is a good shot. Love what you are doing and Thank you.